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So, here is basically what happened:
http://www.teamexcello.com/?p=newsc&id=1457
Here are also some relevant comments from a gg.net thread:
Emerald
Haypro was a top player of ToT and personally i would say that signal has no chance versus haypro no matter if he hacked or not in the qcup finals - And i personally also do not think he did. If haypro would have got caught before the finals he would not have been allowed to play in the grand finals - BUT you would still have played with signal. THERE IS NO REASON to WHY you should get to abuse this situation to your benifit by getting the possibility to replace your player to some1 like Lx or Idra or whatever. If haypro would have got caught earlier, ToT would most likely still have won - And you got to accept that. Dont try to steal a cup win that you dont deserve. Now, that was my PERSONAL view!
And rules are rules... compare to the case of a laggy player. If one player lags, he is replaced but the oponent team are not allowed to change their player unless he also caused any kind of conflict. The trouble-player in that qcup match was haypro, and he was to be replaced. And since he also was (in my point of view) one of tot:s top players, you had already won alot by, 1st: Gettin a second chance to win the league, 2nd: Likely be facing a player not as good as haypro.
But no, instead you forfeit and cry and complain because you wanted to replace your player to someone else that would suddenly give you much greater chances to claim the tournament title than you deserved. Sorry, but this childish behavior really is sickening. You should be happy to get a second chance at all, and a bonus to that facing a player prolly not as good as the original one, that you already lost 0-3 (and i personally really dont think haypro used any form of hacks in those games because there was more dumb moves in them rather indicating the direct opposite.).
Bartar
Emerald what u conclude is this :
"Dont try to steal a cup win that you dont deserve by putting Lx or Idra instead of Signal. Now, that was my PERSONAL view!"
1. You are not damn permitted to judje what we "deserve" to win and not. And if you had enforced ToT to wait just 25 minutes for Idra (all ToTs were online after start a lot more time than that ;o) then we would probably have won it anyways. And last time i checked Lx and Idra were in our roster, do you think that if they both had played vs ToT, you ''deserver'' would have won? If u want to feel sickened with a situation here, feel free to do it when Mondragon refused to pp for Idra and not with my goal to have a second chance for the prize and benefit my players and team. Which in my eyes with Lx (ofcourse he could not play at 20:00cet ;o) and Idra "deserves" more than ToT.
2. You are an admin and your "PERSONAL" view is irrelevant.
At least when i make mistakes or steal wins, im the first one to admit it and suffer the consequences. I don't try find excuses for my choices. I say "this is exactly what i did, judge me".
Do you think that xLo is getting mistreated here?
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basically, emerald feels that our player, signal, deserved to lose because he is not as good as tot. because of that xlo must use signal in the rematch, while tot can choose any player from their lineup to replace haypro.
all of that on top of the fact that in any other league when a player is caught hacking all of his matches are forfeited without question.
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HoHOHOohoho i didnt read but my vote is that xlo wasnt mistreated
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On December 24 2007 04:09 Bartar wrote:
Emerald
... compare to the case of a laggy player. If one player lags, he is replaced but the oponent team are not allowed to change their player unless he also caused any kind of conflict. The trouble-player in that qcup match was haypro, and he was to be replaced.
Makes sense to me.
And also, Haypro wasn't accused of hacking in the finals though, was he?
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On December 24 2007 04:23 IdrA wrote:
basically, emerald feels that our player, signal, deserved to lose because he is not as good as tot. because of that xlo must use signal in the rematch, while tot can choose any player from their lineup to replace haypro.
all of that on top of the fact that in any other league when a player is caught hacking all of his matches are forfeited without question.
I agree. It should be XY from ToT vs. XY from xLo, like a complete new match. You can't compare a laggy-player situation with a kickedfromtheteamhencenotabletoplay-player. It should be just a complete new matchup with whatever players both sides choose.
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On December 24 2007 04:09 Bartar wrote:
Emerald
The trouble-player in that qcup match was haypro, and he was to be replaced. And since he also was (in my point of view) one of tot:s top players, you had already won alot by, 1st: Gettin a second chance to win the league, 2nd: Likely be facing a player not as good as haypro.
In my opinion xLo should have let Signal played this match, no matter who his opponent might be - it's SC, everything is possible. It's second chance, xLo has nothing to lose - the team already lost the first time finals, second lost won't mean anything, but if it's not a lost...
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I think xLo should be able to change players too.
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shouldn't signal get an auto in here or I'm alone in this?
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It seems like signal should get w.o orrr both teams replace lol
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Signal should've gotten an auto. At the very least, xLo should be able to repick since it's almost a farce that ToT is getting /rewarded/ for Haypro's hacking.
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On December 24 2007 05:19 KissBlade wrote:
Signal should've gotten an auto. At the very least, xLo should be able to repick since it's almost a farce that ToT is getting /rewarded/ for Haypro's hacking.
It was only proven that Haypro hacked in the game vs Strelok in week 19 of qcup, Haypro was in BW back then so ToT gained nothing from that.
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On December 24 2007 05:29 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2007 05:19 KissBlade wrote:
Signal should've gotten an auto. At the very least, xLo should be able to repick since it's almost a farce that ToT is getting /rewarded/ for Haypro's hacking. It was only proven that Haypro hacked in the game vs Strelok in week 19 of qcup, Haypro was in BW back then so ToT gained nothing from that.
Irrelevant. ToT gains an advantage by getting to pick their player with the knowledge of who his opponent will be.
Honestly I think it's the league's lack of preparation that is most to blame. If they required each team to list back-up players in case of a replacement, then there would have been no problem.
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I just dont understand why xLo makes a big scene every time a decision doesn't go there way and they make mass forum posts and news posts and leave leagues and stuff...
either play the game or take the loss, doesnt need to make a big deal of it.
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I was initially very surprised too about Haypro when i first heard the scandal as you can see here: http://www.teamexcello.com/?p=forums&f=12&t=390
From the very first time, a lot prior to the new proofs come up and Haypro getting kicked from ToT i proposed to Emerald:
"We no ask for reverse since there are no 100% proof that he hacked in that match. We ask same players to replay at iccup or if Haypro is still under investigation, both teams to replace players."
But imo from his reactions, it is clear that he had decided the winner.
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well in this case haybro game should be w.o for signal cos he was cought using unallowed programs. And its huge + for tot that they have second chance. Xlo have to be allowed to pick any player they want or get w.o straight up...We cant be tolerant to programs like this what ever they are used for
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wow this is why the foreign bw scene sucks
every single major tournament turns out like this
fucking pre madona
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come on Xeris, give me a break... there are 700 euros at stake there and we cant protest? we cant get same conditions if a regame is ordered? imo Emerald knew from the start that a regame would be the best thing for him to get away from the scandal but he personally believed it should be ToT > xLo.
And u think protesting in such situations is crying or just a way to make things open:
1. xLo lost BWCL Season 26 championship because we got 3 points penalty for having Hungtran in team for only 2 weeks in which he played only 1 bwcl match for us and actually lost it ;o
2. xLo won vs LRM in ICCupCL Season 2 but our win was reversed because Castro had played a match for his previous team 1 week ago ;o
Yes rules are rules i know, i manipulated them myself too to get the win vs F2F but i admitted it and took the consequences. No news were made for me, but for ToT yes ;p
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xLo got fucked here. Kind of sad.
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For every time some dimwit says that the US or non-korean countries could have a successful pro scene for BW, think of this shit.
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