• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 03:43
CET 09:43
KST 17:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Rongyi Cup S3 - RO16 Preview3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational10SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)20Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7
StarCraft 2
General
Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued StarCraft 2 not at the Esports World Cup 2026 [Short Story] The Last GSL Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey!
Tourneys
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship $70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open! SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Fantasy's Q&A video BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread NASA and the Private Sector Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Esports Advertising Shap…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1740 users

xLo forfeits Qcup final - Page 8

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 Next All
TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
December 27 2007 16:39 GMT
#141
btw bartar your points are valid but stop talking about "Mondragons tricks" before i slap you in the face, its very retarded
Bergkamp ftw!
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
December 27 2007 16:44 GMT
#142
Geoff there are zero games you KNOW he wasn't hacking in except the DreamHack LAN games so you have no argument like "don't reverse his clean matches." Your "knowledge" is based on his story but any level-headed administrator has no choice but to ignore everything he says.

There is no committee of arbitration for hackers and I think your arguments that we all have bias is good reason why such a committee could never exist. So, lacking such a committee, when it comes to participation in a competitive online event, there is no such thing as hearing out a hacker's story or establishing his credibility or adjusting punishments based on context or anything like that. The only choice for handling a PROVEN hacker is to reverse his matches and ban him from events for a while.

+ Show Spoiler +
On a personal note, I believe Haypro and I'd happily practice with him without worry of being cheated. Kinda like if a loved one committed a crime, it would not necessarily destroy your good faith in that person, but you'd understand that society needs to punish him. I think that's the most sensible position for you to take...
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
December 27 2007 16:45 GMT
#143
you just have to take his word same as you have to take mine and testies word that we dont hack until proven otherwise, inwitch he will be in even more shit if he lied about it...and his ban will be even longer since im guessing haypro is aiming at one day come back to play for jokes and shizzles
Bergkamp ftw!
rE.hOuse
Profile Joined September 2007
Poland60 Posts
December 27 2007 18:17 GMT
#144
I think that Bartar is just trying to get the last breath and win the 700 euros price, he wasent even on ToT in the game where he hacks, i just think that this is childiss, but anyone sees money and turn into animals.. amazing!
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
December 27 2007 19:27 GMT
#145
I think the bottomline is he needs to be punished before we welcome him back with open arms like our Trek's and Testie's. Not only that, but ToT needs to be punished for his actions. You cannot be 100% sure he wasn't hacking in the other games. He could of been one of the smart ones that actually usually had automine off for all we know.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
Bartar
Profile Joined December 2004
Greece83 Posts
December 27 2007 21:26 GMT
#146
TreK i said numerous times "from my own experience" and i explained. don't be offended.
Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
December 28 2007 03:03 GMT
#147
You should stop talking about other ppls manner you hit with stones in your glashouse

Your team is like a trainstation so tells a lot about your teamspirit, you promiss ppl money that you wont pay to draw them into your team and you post constantly your hughe stories about your problems in leagues and tournaments more as every other teamleader. You are the trickser and not Mondragon, say what you want but his team at least works without soldiers and lies.

This case has nothing to do with Mondragon, he did not make a decision, he is not the player that got caught so this is between you, Haypro and Emerald, or was it your plan to force every ToT member to answer you in a bad way that you could whine " see they are all bm to me"?
You should find a better thing to waste your holidaytime Mr





IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 28 2007 03:11 GMT
#148
his accusations against tot and mondi are a perfectly valid response as half of the arguments supporting emerald's decision are based on how tot is such a mannered, fair-playing team who doesnt deserve to be punished for haypro's actions. he demonstrated that thats not necessarily the case.
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
Bartar
Profile Joined December 2004
Greece83 Posts
December 28 2007 13:45 GMT
#149
exactly. also Ilvy the difference between me and you is that i express an opinion and i always back it up with facts, links, proofs etc. you only express "airtalk" and you demand people to believe it ;o. you wouldn't even dare to come in a debate with me about how i trully work, how my team has progressed through years and what we have won.
Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
December 28 2007 14:11 GMT
#150
I do not demand it, ppl could follow itself how you remove and add player randomly because you stand behind them 100%.
Atm you have cute clantagcarriers where some of them already proofed that they aren´t able to play in foreign leagues since they won´t play at 2 - 4 am and i could not see that you could make other teams caring about that and pospone all their matches, not talking about their lagproblems
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10833 Posts
December 28 2007 14:29 GMT
#151
It's inconceivable that xLo isn't allowed to choose their replacement player under these circumstances.

This admin, Emerald, is apparently a magnificent asshole. I can't fathom how an admin can make proclamations or value judgments like that and still expect to hold even an ounce of impartial credibility.

Really now, this shouldn't be about who likes ToT or xLo or Bartar or Mondragon. Allowing ToT to tailor their pick to counter Signal is an unequivocal advantage, regardless of how little people say they know about him. I don't know how good or bad signal is, and this really has nothing to do with his relative skill.

In the end, being allowed to choose a new player is a benefit that should be extended to both teams or neither team. If you're going to come along and justify such a poor decisions with things like "signal has no chance versus haypro no matter if he hacked or not in the qcup finals" and "If haypro would have got caught earlier, ToT would most likely still have won", next season just save us all the trouble and give the prizes to whomever you think is most likely to win.
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-28 16:38:18
December 28 2007 16:38 GMT
#152
brother oh brother
Bergkamp ftw!
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7313 Posts
December 28 2007 16:43 GMT
#153
On December 28 2007 12:03 Ilvy wrote:
You should stop talking about other ppls manner you hit with stones in your glashouse

Your team is like a trainstation so tells a lot about your teamspirit, you promiss ppl money that you wont pay to draw them into your team and you post constantly your hughe stories about your problems in leagues and tournaments more as every other teamleader. You are the trickser and not Mondragon, say what you want but his team at least works without soldiers and lies.

This case has nothing to do with Mondragon, he did not make a decision, he is not the player that got caught so this is between you, Haypro and Emerald, or was it your plan to force every ToT member to answer you in a bad way that you could whine " see they are all bm to me"?
You should find a better thing to waste your holidaytime Mr







they just steal the best non koreans from other teams

=-)

How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8866 Posts
December 28 2007 18:47 GMT
#154
Lulz, you guys got shanked.

I died a little on the inside agreeing with Bartar, but meh.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
LG)cheloman
Profile Joined June 2004
Argentina159 Posts
December 28 2007 21:15 GMT
#155
I was thinking in make a report of this case as news in our latin site, but it is so huggggee... :S
Bartar
Profile Joined December 2004
Greece83 Posts
December 29 2007 19:21 GMT
#156
Ilvy omg. You show your hate so clearly tt.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
December 29 2007 19:24 GMT
#157
JLIG!
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
December 29 2007 20:13 GMT
#158
xLo got some nice chinese pick-ups.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 29 2007 21:22 GMT
#159
On December 29 2007 03:47 Flaccid wrote:
Lulz, you guys got shanked.

I died a little on the inside agreeing with Bartar, but meh.



Okay I have nothing to do with this whole fiasco. I barely read anything, don't really care, but I love this post! =D
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
December 29 2007 22:06 GMT
#160
On December 30 2007 04:21 Bartar wrote:
Ilvy omg. You show your hate so clearly tt.


I do not hate ppl over the internet, its childish but i am free to be honest enough to tell ppl when i do not like them, since i hardly like ppl that abuse others for their own purpose.
I have nothing against your team since the ppl in it change as fast as the weather in april and i won´t judge ppl by clantag
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
Rongyi Cup S3 - Group A
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 154
Nina 76
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 9636
Sea 3612
Hyuk 821
Jaedong 530
Larva 352
Hm[arnc] 277
Zeus 246
EffOrt 73
Shuttle 50
Hyun 49
[ Show more ]
Shinee 48
Backho 39
NotJumperer 32
Sharp 23
Noble 21
Bale 16
ZergMaN 15
Dota 2
XcaliburYe244
NeuroSwarm164
League of Legends
JimRising 659
C9.Mang0355
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King78
Other Games
WinterStarcraft521
Happy293
XaKoH 195
mouzStarbuck162
Hui .98
Sick2
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1139
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 21
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 85
• Sammyuel 24
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1200
• Stunt521
Upcoming Events
RongYI Cup
2h 17m
SHIN vs Creator
Classic vs Percival
OSC
4h 17m
BSL 21
6h 17m
QiaoGege vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Bonyth
Mihu vs TBD
RongYI Cup
1d 2h
Maru vs Cyan
Solar vs Krystianer
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 3h
BSL 21
1d 6h
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W5
OSC Championship Season 13
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Rongyi Cup S3
Underdog Cup #3
Tektek Cup #1
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025

Upcoming

Acropolis #4 - TS4
Escore Tournament S1: W6
Escore Tournament S1: W7
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.