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TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
December 27 2007 16:39 GMT
#141
btw bartar your points are valid but stop talking about "Mondragons tricks" before i slap you in the face, its very retarded
Bergkamp ftw!
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
December 27 2007 16:44 GMT
#142
Geoff there are zero games you KNOW he wasn't hacking in except the DreamHack LAN games so you have no argument like "don't reverse his clean matches." Your "knowledge" is based on his story but any level-headed administrator has no choice but to ignore everything he says.

There is no committee of arbitration for hackers and I think your arguments that we all have bias is good reason why such a committee could never exist. So, lacking such a committee, when it comes to participation in a competitive online event, there is no such thing as hearing out a hacker's story or establishing his credibility or adjusting punishments based on context or anything like that. The only choice for handling a PROVEN hacker is to reverse his matches and ban him from events for a while.

+ Show Spoiler +
On a personal note, I believe Haypro and I'd happily practice with him without worry of being cheated. Kinda like if a loved one committed a crime, it would not necessarily destroy your good faith in that person, but you'd understand that society needs to punish him. I think that's the most sensible position for you to take...
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
December 27 2007 16:45 GMT
#143
you just have to take his word same as you have to take mine and testies word that we dont hack until proven otherwise, inwitch he will be in even more shit if he lied about it...and his ban will be even longer since im guessing haypro is aiming at one day come back to play for jokes and shizzles
Bergkamp ftw!
rE.hOuse
Profile Joined September 2007
Poland60 Posts
December 27 2007 18:17 GMT
#144
I think that Bartar is just trying to get the last breath and win the 700 euros price, he wasent even on ToT in the game where he hacks, i just think that this is childiss, but anyone sees money and turn into animals.. amazing!
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
December 27 2007 19:27 GMT
#145
I think the bottomline is he needs to be punished before we welcome him back with open arms like our Trek's and Testie's. Not only that, but ToT needs to be punished for his actions. You cannot be 100% sure he wasn't hacking in the other games. He could of been one of the smart ones that actually usually had automine off for all we know.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
Bartar
Profile Joined December 2004
Greece83 Posts
December 27 2007 21:26 GMT
#146
TreK i said numerous times "from my own experience" and i explained. don't be offended.
Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
December 28 2007 03:03 GMT
#147
You should stop talking about other ppls manner you hit with stones in your glashouse

Your team is like a trainstation so tells a lot about your teamspirit, you promiss ppl money that you wont pay to draw them into your team and you post constantly your hughe stories about your problems in leagues and tournaments more as every other teamleader. You are the trickser and not Mondragon, say what you want but his team at least works without soldiers and lies.

This case has nothing to do with Mondragon, he did not make a decision, he is not the player that got caught so this is between you, Haypro and Emerald, or was it your plan to force every ToT member to answer you in a bad way that you could whine " see they are all bm to me"?
You should find a better thing to waste your holidaytime Mr





IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 28 2007 03:11 GMT
#148
his accusations against tot and mondi are a perfectly valid response as half of the arguments supporting emerald's decision are based on how tot is such a mannered, fair-playing team who doesnt deserve to be punished for haypro's actions. he demonstrated that thats not necessarily the case.
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Bartar
Profile Joined December 2004
Greece83 Posts
December 28 2007 13:45 GMT
#149
exactly. also Ilvy the difference between me and you is that i express an opinion and i always back it up with facts, links, proofs etc. you only express "airtalk" and you demand people to believe it ;o. you wouldn't even dare to come in a debate with me about how i trully work, how my team has progressed through years and what we have won.
Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
December 28 2007 14:11 GMT
#150
I do not demand it, ppl could follow itself how you remove and add player randomly because you stand behind them 100%.
Atm you have cute clantagcarriers where some of them already proofed that they aren´t able to play in foreign leagues since they won´t play at 2 - 4 am and i could not see that you could make other teams caring about that and pospone all their matches, not talking about their lagproblems
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
December 28 2007 14:29 GMT
#151
It's inconceivable that xLo isn't allowed to choose their replacement player under these circumstances.

This admin, Emerald, is apparently a magnificent asshole. I can't fathom how an admin can make proclamations or value judgments like that and still expect to hold even an ounce of impartial credibility.

Really now, this shouldn't be about who likes ToT or xLo or Bartar or Mondragon. Allowing ToT to tailor their pick to counter Signal is an unequivocal advantage, regardless of how little people say they know about him. I don't know how good or bad signal is, and this really has nothing to do with his relative skill.

In the end, being allowed to choose a new player is a benefit that should be extended to both teams or neither team. If you're going to come along and justify such a poor decisions with things like "signal has no chance versus haypro no matter if he hacked or not in the qcup finals" and "If haypro would have got caught earlier, ToT would most likely still have won", next season just save us all the trouble and give the prizes to whomever you think is most likely to win.
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-28 16:38:18
December 28 2007 16:38 GMT
#152
brother oh brother
Bergkamp ftw!
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7225 Posts
December 28 2007 16:43 GMT
#153
On December 28 2007 12:03 Ilvy wrote:
You should stop talking about other ppls manner you hit with stones in your glashouse

Your team is like a trainstation so tells a lot about your teamspirit, you promiss ppl money that you wont pay to draw them into your team and you post constantly your hughe stories about your problems in leagues and tournaments more as every other teamleader. You are the trickser and not Mondragon, say what you want but his team at least works without soldiers and lies.

This case has nothing to do with Mondragon, he did not make a decision, he is not the player that got caught so this is between you, Haypro and Emerald, or was it your plan to force every ToT member to answer you in a bad way that you could whine " see they are all bm to me"?
You should find a better thing to waste your holidaytime Mr







they just steal the best non koreans from other teams

=-)

How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8835 Posts
December 28 2007 18:47 GMT
#154
Lulz, you guys got shanked.

I died a little on the inside agreeing with Bartar, but meh.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
LG)cheloman
Profile Joined June 2004
Argentina159 Posts
December 28 2007 21:15 GMT
#155
I was thinking in make a report of this case as news in our latin site, but it is so huggggee... :S
Bartar
Profile Joined December 2004
Greece83 Posts
December 29 2007 19:21 GMT
#156
Ilvy omg. You show your hate so clearly tt.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
December 29 2007 19:24 GMT
#157
JLIG!
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
December 29 2007 20:13 GMT
#158
xLo got some nice chinese pick-ups.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 29 2007 21:22 GMT
#159
On December 29 2007 03:47 Flaccid wrote:
Lulz, you guys got shanked.

I died a little on the inside agreeing with Bartar, but meh.



Okay I have nothing to do with this whole fiasco. I barely read anything, don't really care, but I love this post! =D
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
December 29 2007 22:06 GMT
#160
On December 30 2007 04:21 Bartar wrote:
Ilvy omg. You show your hate so clearly tt.


I do not hate ppl over the internet, its childish but i am free to be honest enough to tell ppl when i do not like them, since i hardly like ppl that abuse others for their own purpose.
I have nothing against your team since the ppl in it change as fast as the weather in april and i won´t judge ppl by clantag
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