EPTxLo forfeits Qcup final - Page 6
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Bartar
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28911 Posts
when haypro is caught cheating in this tournament every game he has played should be reversed. obviously this might not be possible in every single instance (e.g you cannot reverse a game he played in the early rounds of the tournament affecting what teams got to play later) but wherever it is possible, this is what should be done. if, you instead, choose to replay any match haypro played in, (which is a bit nicer towards tot, and in light of the slight ambiguity regarding haypro's hacking, perhaps even more fair. (although then again this would set the precedent of rewarding a hacker and a hacker's team for denying having intentionally hacked.. ) ) then you should obviously allow both teams to replace their players.. this just screams of biased admin-work. I don't even understand the justification for stating that tot can replace their player but xlo cannot.. it just makes no sense, other than well, the admin wanting tot to emerge victorious.. | ||
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Bartar
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tonight
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ohoh~troubles
Korea (South)70 Posts
Emerald + Xeris = Mafia powa!! I just dont know what the fuck they earn doing this.. Drama? | ||
Insane
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
means hes not accountable to anyone for his decision | ||
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On December 27 2007 06:27 IdrA wrote: well that sucks means hes not accountable to anyone for his decision Only to qpad itself, I guess (and I highly doubt they would get involved in it). But yeah, he was the head admin for it, and his decision is final, I believe. | ||
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Bartar
Greece83 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On December 27 2007 05:44 ohoh~troubles wrote: Just hilarious how Emerald is taking care of this situation .. pff this just shows how corrupted wgtour is.. Emerald + Xeris = Mafia powa!! I just dont know what the fuck they earn doing this.. Drama? you can call me Don Xeris, or just big poppa, that'd work too. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
On December 27 2007 05:44 ohoh~troubles wrote: Just hilarious how Emerald is taking care of this situation .. pff this just shows how corrupted wgtour is.. Emerald + Xeris = Mafia powa!! I just dont know what the fuck they earn doing this.. Drama? you are a typical example of a guy that knows nothing and trashes a lot what you earn? nothing at least no brain | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27179 Posts
On December 26 2007 23:18 Liquid`Drone wrote: what the hell. i gotta say i completely agree with bartar here. when haypro is caught cheating in this tournament every game he has played should be reversed. obviously this might not be possible in every single instance (e.g you cannot reverse a game he played in the early rounds of the tournament affecting what teams got to play later) but wherever it is possible, this is what should be done. if, you instead, choose to replay any match haypro played in, (which is a bit nicer towards tot, and in light of the slight ambiguity regarding haypro's hacking, perhaps even more fair. (although then again this would set the precedent of rewarding a hacker and a hacker's team for denying having intentionally hacked.. ) ) then you should obviously allow both teams to replace their players.. this just screams of biased admin-work. I don't even understand the justification for stating that tot can replace their player but xlo cannot.. it just makes no sense, other than well, the admin wanting tot to emerge victorious.. This sums it up perfectly. I am actually astounded that there is debate about this. Emerald showed terrible bias in his explanation, and no matter what anyone's personal opinion of Bartar is (I dont know him at all) it seems obvious that ToT is getting the benefit of some shitty admin work. Yet another reason to not follow the foreign scene. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 27 2007 09:01 Mandalor wrote: I agree that Bartar was just bm (the case regarding the delay of the final games by continuing to play LRM), wouldnt be so sure about that either. emerald flat out lied when he said bartar claimed i was 5 minutes late. you can see in his posts that hes always said i was 25 minutes late. pretty good chance emerald is bullshitting to make himself look better on that too. | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 27 2007 09:21 Manifesto7 wrote: This sums it up perfectly. I am actually astounded that there is debate about this. Emerald showed terrible bias in his explanation, and no matter what anyone's personal opinion of Bartar is (I dont know him at all) it seems obvious that ToT is getting the benefit of some shitty admin work. Yet another reason to not follow the foreign scene. Yup because horrible admin work NEVER happens in the professional korean scene... oh no. Never. Some of you need to take a deep breath and relax. Yeah there is a bias here. But guess what? Anyone claiming to be unbiased is a fucking liar. For once being a famouly manner and legit clan is paying off. Haypro is given the benefit of the doubt that his hacking was not some huge scandal that he had been running under everyone's nose. He hacked "accidentally" a month ago for another clan and it is JUST NOW caught. His games vs Signal WERE LEGIT as they were played before the cleansing and hackers had no idea about turning off auto mining. He won 3-0 LEGITLY and those games were at risk of being reversed or facing a different result because Haypro was a moron to some scale a month ago for a different team. I understand when teams are unfortunate and get that match reversed, despite said conditions. But alas, here I also understand NOT doing that and NOT punishing ToT for a mistake one of its members made a month ago on a different team. Signal should not be replaced by one of the 40 other xLo members who didnt/couldnt (care) make the CW on time. ToT replacing Haypro with one of its members (all showed) is fine. Lx and IdrA are far and away different players from Signal and xLo should not be able to play a player who wasnt originally available. Besides, Haypro was one of our top players. Replacing him with one of our available players (non mondragon/xiaozi/gohan, which are all 3 of our TOP players) helps xLo. Especially considering they lost a match legitly and can only seek to win a match they had previously lost. I know a lot of you probably think I am incredibly wrong and thats fine. I just think ToT does deserve some leniency. Which bothers a lot of you to no end because you see it as favoritism. I see it as deserved credit. ToT has been around for a very long time. Always trying its best to do the right thing and representing the foreign community as a manner/legit/skilled clan that can compete with the world. Haypro wasnt a "hacker." He was a skilled bw player that hacked in a single game. Reversing all his games a month later that he played legitly because he hacked in the past and was just now caught is unjustified. I am all for punishments. Thats why Haypro was banned from all leagues and kicked from the top clan. He will bare the cross of a hacker despite it being a mistake. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 27 2007 10:07 IdrA wrote: wouldnt be so sure about that either. emerald flat out lied when he said bartar claimed i was 5 minutes late. you can see in his posts that hes always said i was 25 minutes late. pretty good chance emerald is bullshitting to make himself look better on that too. No that one is correct. We were all waiting up until the very last minute AFTER Emerald set up a "limit" that was time of the CW + 30 or so minutes. Bartar used the LRM cw to stall for the CW against ToT. Could have started / announced lineup while a match was being played but he milked every minute to wait for Lx/IdrA showing up. Not that big of a deal because an admin (Emerald) forced him to start but Bartar was pretty sleazy for pulling the move and flat out ignoring ToT requests for starting of the CW on time. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
what i meant was the accusations that bartar was bming/threatening at the beginning of the LRM) clanwar. | ||
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tonight
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