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On November 27 2007 03:08 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2007 03:05 azndsh wrote:
That doesn't answer Hot Bid's question...
How does a protoss beat a Shadow Rush protoss just plays straight up? The point of the rush is to catch a Protoss with his pants down. It has Siege Tanks Vultures SCVs all with thier upgrades and abilities to build static defense. You want to know how a Protoss beats it playing straight up? I told you. either a) Robotic in-human micro or b) Teching high (reaver/dark templar).. or the fair c) The protoss is much better at macro / micro, much better. so pretty much if a protoss double expands and they're about the same level, but still beat it...
we can conclude they are a robot? that is so interesting i can't wait to try this build
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Haha, by Robotic I mean't ProGamer micro, constant firing Dragoons or picking off/sniping essential spider mines / delaying the push.
And no 3base CAN'T beat the Shadow Rush, it requires 2Base from the information i've gathered, I've had higher level terrans test it out in other games, and it works out well.
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So they have to be a progamer to beat the shadow rush? Wow, you should never lose if you use the shadow rush it appears... Unless you are playing progamers?!?!? o_O
edit - you didn't really mean "progamer micro", you just meant people who can dance goons! right?! 
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nah hes right you arent gonna beat that rush with double expo.
but thats irrelevant since no one will double expo vs it. (floating a rax is not gonna make them think you're expoing)
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i am pretty sure the "shadow rush" was invented by my friend first (like 2 yrs ago)
he knew what the rush could grant you before the thread creator made this guide
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Nick, your a fuckin nut! how long did it take you to type this? lol
nice work though.
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I am most impressed by your Studious Analysis and the results of your Data Gathering. My best wishes to your future Research. TvP is a most important Matchup Science, and your Efforts greatly illuminate the Darkness of Ignorance with the Torch of Knowledge.
This guide is truly a boon for all Humanity.
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hi lastshadow. nice guide. i really like the transition stuff.
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You know to be honest I never really liked Lastshadow because of his attitude but this seems like a pretty good guide, nice job 
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On November 27 2007 05:25 Aphelion wrote:
I am most impressed by your Studious Analysis and the results of your Data Gathering. My best wishes to your future Research. TvP is a most important Matchup Science, and your Efforts greatly illuminate the Darkness of Ignorance with the Torch of Knowledge.
This guide is truly a boon for all Humanity.
Spot on.
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I would also like to add that this is a nice guide, good job!
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United States10774 Posts
shadow I really didn't like you but I must give you props for all your effort to help the community.
Thanks a lot!
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
I really enjoy playing TvP than the other match ups but i definitely got some value out of this guide. Thanks alot for your input :D
Look out ICCUP!
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United States10774 Posts
Hey shadow,
Q) What's the best response to a toss that harasses with Reaver followed by fast Carriers?
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it seems like I can never get the timing right. I either attack too early and do insufficient damage, or attack too late and get pwned by carriers. It would be nice if you could point out the ideal timing and so on. Thanks
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Yeah, I read most of it, and despite being difficult to read because of spelling/capitalization/grammar/usage mistakes, the guide has some pretty decent advice.
btw, I would also include Iris as belonging to the micro category. his timing attacks are way sick =)
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who's Perfective? also, where does odin[fou] fit into all of this
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On November 27 2007 14:08 tiffany wrote:
who's Perfective? also, where does odin[fou] fit into all of this
By.Perfective is a korean T player with some pretty creative build orders and good timing attacks. I watched a few of his reps in the massive Babara League pack that was posted a while ago.
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Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
I like this guide... I honestly don't play very much anymore, but I'm actually going to make it a point to try a few of these builds out... you outline them clearly enough so that even my noob self should be able to pull it off. ^_^
Thanks LS!!
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Hmm, I'll have to try some of this stuff thanks.
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Crap, now all these terrans will beat me 
/cry
But awesome work LS, you sure know your stuff :D
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