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XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
November 25 2007 22:27 GMT
#41
On November 26 2007 04:52 Seraphim wrote:
Nice! I can't wait to turn into Stork and Boxer!

Thanks so much LS


turning into stork?? what?
HonkHonkBeep
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
China353 Posts
November 25 2007 22:27 GMT
#42
On November 26 2007 02:05 pangshai wrote:
nice guide. perhaps you could include some information about late game tvp. when i'm 200/200 vs a 200/200 zeal/dragoon army, maybe arb/temp (lets leave them out for now) i have no idea how to play. i hear 200/200 terran is supposed to win 200/200 toss, but i get crushed. personally i think its my own mines that're killing me. but how exactly are you supposed to micro 3 groups of vulture and 1 group of tank vs 2 group of zeal and 2 group of goon, assuming i only have +1 weapons.


Place all the mines so that they prevent flanking of your army, and then don't bother laying mines when he attacks. Point is to force him to go through the path you choose, if he doesn't, he has to clear the mines. Odds are he'll just lose units because while you're attacking the front he won't have time to send obs with goons to clear all the mines to let him flank.

At 200/200 you'll probably have at least 1/1 ups and 3 groups of vults + 2-2.5 groups of tanks. All those tanks sieged together melts a protoss army. Just force them to come to you how you want them to.
God is cruel; sometimes he makes us live.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20097 Posts
November 26 2007 00:23 GMT
#43
On November 26 2007 04:36 lastshadow wrote:
Ok Question and Answer section can now be found at the bottom.


Chill, should I put it elsewhere in the guide? It doesn't seem to fit at the bottom.
Where would you like it or others for that matter?

And to the TvZ requests, its a possibilty, however I'd prefer to do PvT first, and TvZ is my weak point, but yes definately will consider it soon.

Thx for updating with Q&A

Please do a TvZ first pleaseeeeee
thanks a ton LS
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
November 26 2007 01:02 GMT
#44
iirc his TvZ/TvT is MUCH weaker then his TvP, so he probably won't write about it. No point in writing about a subject you are uninformed about, correct?
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lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
November 26 2007 01:07 GMT
#45
On November 26 2007 10:02 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
iirc his TvZ/TvT is MUCH weaker then his TvP, so he probably won't write about it. No point in writing about a subject you are uninformed about, correct?



:p.

First off, yes at one point long ago my TvZ was a very minor m/u and my worst in fact.
TvT was never really a 'strong point' but it was never really bad, late game I lost it, due to lack of replay knowledge/senses.

However, since my TvP jumped very far ahead, I immediately opted to take interest in PvT / TvZ / PvZ, now my TvZ is good, however sometimes it can be off due to lack of training, and my PvT is also good now.

But still a far cry away from my TvP.
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
November 26 2007 01:51 GMT
#46
Can't wait for your PvT Guide LS
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
November 26 2007 01:52 GMT
#47
On November 26 2007 07:27 XCetron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2007 04:52 Seraphim wrote:
Nice! I can't wait to turn into Stork and Boxer!

Thanks so much LS


turning into stork?? what?


He said he would write a PvT guide
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
November 26 2007 15:16 GMT
#48
Hey Guys!

Sorry my second Update took so long, I was having issues with timing on some of them, so I played a few games last night to make sure everything was right, and I had the situations that I layed out, played against me so that I could give accurate information.

The update includes:
Tri Upgraded Rush (also known as ex Shadow Rush by request)
Marine/SCV Cheese
3Factory Timing Push

I guess I forgot to state:

Anyone want any rushes or strategies tested and or elaborated on for further detail/strategy? PM me or leave it here in my thread, and I'll get games going right on it to see what its all about and how Protoss' reacts to it.

The next update will include 2 new Rushes / 1 Macro-Style Gameplay.

But if anyone wants something else, please feel free to leave it here in the thread, and I'll get right on it.

Thanks - lastshadow
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
yubee
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States3826 Posts
November 26 2007 15:20 GMT
#49
wow, i know the shadow rush was a big joke before but i had never actually seen the build order. it's really a great build! i definitely think if the shadow rush became more popularized tosses would start to think twice about double expanding!!!
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
November 26 2007 15:48 GMT
#50
Bah I'm in school, and have nothing better to do, here comes the next Update!
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25991 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-26 16:00:10
November 26 2007 15:56 GMT
#51
I can't add this to recommended threads because I can't force myself to read it. The formatting is SO BAD. Why are the headings in normal font and the entire body is bolded? This is so illogical. I don't know if you care, but there it is.

Edit: The grammar and spelling are equally bad. For example:
Contain – A “turtle” However, Located at the Protoss’ Choke.

Why are the words "However", "Located", and "Choke" Capitalized?

Edit 2:
Used to fact so many units that it seems like you have 2 factories.

What does this mean? Is it a typo? What does "facting so many units" mean?
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lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
November 26 2007 16:07 GMT
#52
Ok I'll edit it now, please PM me everything you see wrong with the thread, and I'll spend the next 2hrs editing it, after this last update.
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
November 26 2007 16:29 GMT
#53
Ok edited, tell me if its better please. ehh argh, still some bolding messed up.

Fixing now, is it better?
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25991 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-26 16:38:00
November 26 2007 16:36 GMT
#54
The Terran vs Protoss has been a match-up seemed throughout the years as, well, balanced. In this Match-Up the Terran player, will usually opt for Mechanic or “Mech” Builds. The Match-Up can be engaged in either Aggressive or Passive Format, depending on the style of play you wish to play. This match-up is heavily based on Macro and Micro even.


Ugh, dude this is the first sentence. Do you understand the difference between a noun and a proper noun?

Proper nouns are basically names. In StarCraft, that can apply to names of races, units and maps.

Words like Match-up, Aggressive, Passive, Format, Macro, and Micro are not proper nouns, and as such, do not get capitalized.
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lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
November 26 2007 16:43 GMT
#55
Fixing capitalization errors when I get back from lunch.

BRB 15mins
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36389 Posts
November 26 2007 17:05 GMT
#56
I have an important question:

What is the counter to the Shadow Rush? Does a counter even exist?
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lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
November 26 2007 17:54 GMT
#57
Ok everything was just edited, there might still be a few grammatical errors, but not many at all.
So is it ready for the Recommended Threads?



On November 27 2007 02:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
I have an important question:

What is the counter to the Shadow Rush? Does a counter even exist?


I don't know if your joking, due to the bolding of the question, I don't know if your attacking the grammatical errors or actually asking it, either way this will go in the Q&A Section.

But to answer it here, yes the Shadow Rush does in fact have a counter, the counter is early Reaver or Dark Templar, its not a 'counter' persay but just the best thing to fight it, either that or 4Gate dragoon.
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
November 26 2007 17:57 GMT
#58
Wow! The Shadow Rush is so powerful! In addition to Scare a Protoss I have also been able to Scare a Zerg like Chill with it : ]

keep up the good work!
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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
November 26 2007 18:05 GMT
#59
That doesn't answer Hot Bid's question...

How does a protoss beat a Shadow Rush protoss just plays straight up?
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
November 26 2007 18:08 GMT
#60
On November 27 2007 03:05 azndsh wrote:
That doesn't answer Hot Bid's question...

How does a protoss beat a Shadow Rush protoss just plays straight up?


The point of the rush is to catch a Protoss with his pants down.

It has Siege Tanks Vultures SCVs all with thier upgrades and abilities to build static defense.

You want to know how a Protoss beats it playing straight up? I told you.

either

a) Robotic in-human micro
or
b) Teching high (reaver/dark templar)..
or the fair
c) The protoss is much better at macro / micro, much better.
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