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lugggy
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
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Wizard
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Snet
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MiniRoman
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YoUr_KiLLeR
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bine
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fanatacist
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On November 04 2007 01:49 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote: What great early morning ready, thanks for everyone who stayed positive, and those who were necessarily negative. Thanks for not crushing any dreams too much  and giving me hope, on monday i'm going to switch into some more classes, get rid of my 5 study halls and hopfully fill it with something more useful, and look some more stuff up, and i read it all fantascist, first or second biggest post here, and undoubtably one of the more useful, with the advice from people like you, bill, i beleive charlie also posted something useful, and anyone else i actually forgot, well point is i know some of what i have to do now, and i guess i will figure more out as shit goes on. I'm going to go make my dumb mom buy me some books, transfer into classes, and not be so retarded about most things. And by the way, i have read EVERYTHING in this thread, i haven't missed a word, so when you post something you know i'm going to read it. And the lady said my IQ is equal to or higher then the average MIT stupid, and i should be going to a good school. Not a community college, but i don't really care. I will do what i need to do, if i need to go to a CC for a few years and up my GPA, thats just what i will have to do, if i can get itno a better school, which is doubtufl unless i slam SAT's and step up at every aspect of life, which i will undoubtably try to do, and i think i can. I'm going to start playing baseball aswel, which should look good. Volunteering and joining groups too, but i need to make sure i have time for the necessary things in life, like friends, because having no friends is what led me to that state of mind where i had no motivation and no goal to do anything, and that inevitably my life would end up boring and mundane, and the worst of all repetitive I cannot stand anything with a repetitive nature, working 9-5 in a desktop would kill me. Good plan, it's obvious you are serious about this. And thus you will do well [: Remember, fuck the haters. There seem to be many of them here who just feel good because they don't have a .586 GPA. | ||
Beyonder
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Set goals, work hard, achieve goals, set new goals. If you really choose to change your ways, do it for yourself. Don't do it because your girlfriend needs a ride. Do it because you truly want it; don't depend on anyone else. Good luck son. It's a good first step to set up a plan, but realise that the hard part is yet to come. Consider it a challenge. You're Frodo, and that ring needs to go. | ||
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geometryb
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like getting far in the AMC12 math stuff and maybe USAMTS also! the Fed Challenge for Econ! become a Finalist in the Intel Competition! if you rape these, it won't matter how low your GPA is. | ||
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fanatacist
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On November 04 2007 02:13 bine wrote: In all honesty: therapy. Get your shit straight. If you never go to school, something else is going on that needs to be fixed. Not every slacker is a psychopath or retard that needs therapy. Not every slacker has been abused or has alcholic parents, either. I think trying again with a new resolve and outlook may be all the therapy he needs. If not, then there might be need for extra help. I feel people nowadays rely too much on doctors and medicine when the fault lies within their reach. If they can solve it by themselves with their own will power, seeking help will only make them weaker in the future when they face other problems. Asking for tips is okay, getting someone to help you as if you are diseased is not. Just my opinion. I think if he maintains the state of mind he has now he is far from ever needing a therapist. | ||
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Beyonder
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fanatacist
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On November 04 2007 02:17 geometryb wrote: Okay, since you're fucked in GPA, but it sounds like you're smart you can try winning lots of big competitions to get you in. like getting far in the AMC12 math stuff and maybe USAMTS also! the Fed Challenge for Econ! become a Finalist in the Intel Competition! if you rape these, it won't matter how low your GPA is. AMC12 and USAMTS are both pretty challenging math competitions, for anyone who doesn't know. The AMC12 is a test for anyone under the 12th grade level. I believe if you get 100 points (out of 150) or higher as a Junior you pass it and can go into subsequent rounds (but just passing it is credit enough in terms of college). That's what I did last year, and I made it past the first 2 rounds but that's about it. It's very good for college from what I hear. The USAMTS is a competition that is posted online which consists of 5 questions that you mail-in by a certain date. Every month a new set is put up, if I remember correctly. At the end of the sets, your total score determines whether or not you get some sort of certificate which shows your achievements there. I did this for a few years too. It's also good for college. The good thing about this one is you can get help ;D Both of these are pretty difficult, but if you have a good mind for math, you should give these a try. Don't kill yourself over them though, they are just some of the possibilities. However, I disagree with the last statement - amazing SAT scores and extra-curricular exams don't make up for a .586 in any way. Your college essay is probably the only thing that can hurt you as much as a low GPA, but keep in mind that it can also significantly help you. So write a good essay when the time comes and have every good teacher you know proof-read it for you n_n. | ||
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bburn
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Bill307
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On November 04 2007 01:37 MiniRoman wrote: I'm serious. In Canada you would have to repeat the classes you failed until you could take the next level courses. IE his ass should be in grade 9 still. It's diff in America? I guess this why so many people on Slashdot complain about American high schools letting everyone pass instead of holding some students back =/. In Ontario, at least when I graduated, universities looked at the grades from only your last 1 or 2 years of high school. I think it's silly that your grades from your first 2 years of high school can have so much weight against your college prospects. I mean, it's not like some magical maturity switch in your head is turned on when you enter grade 9. I'd like to think that most colleges will not care about your low cumulative GPA if you get top marks in everything from here on. Hopefully the people saying that here are right =/. | ||
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fanatacist
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On November 04 2007 02:38 bburn wrote: I just looked through this topic again real quickly and I haven't noticed anyone mention AP classes. If you can take these and get 4s+5s on the exam that will show schools that you are capable of doing well on college level courses. Not to mention at most schools these get weighted higher than other class for GPA so you might be able to boost that a bit more with those types of classes. APs are great, but they tend to have a high workload. I took a LOT of AP courses, and in general they hurt my GPA because the workload was so great. Although I got mostly 5's and I think one 4, the workload sucked my life out and my ambition (as well as killing my GPA to a 3.6, relatively low to other AP students). Also, most AP courses you can't just get into without being in honors or having good grades previously, so it may not be an option for this year. AP courses may be something you can look into next year, MonkeySpanker. Computer Science is one of them I believe, so you should think about taking that next year n_n. Something you can look into is the SAT II subject tests. Those are 1 hour tests about a single topic, and they are necessary for some of the greater colleges in the nation, but of course they help you in the future when you want to transfer. This way you won't have to worry about them later. I'd take 2-3 if you're very serious about getting into a college that requires them (Ivy Leagues and colleges like NYU require them, for example). If not, you can just consider it as a boost that will take some effort n_n. It's by no means necessary for most colleges, but it's just one of the things you can talk to counselors and teachers about. There are many subjects, and some of them are very easy if you took certain courses. | ||
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bine
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On November 04 2007 02:18 fanatacist wrote: Not every slacker is a psychopath or retard that needs therapy. Not every slacker has been abused or has alcholic parents, either. I think trying again with a new resolve and outlook may be all the therapy he needs. If not, then there might be need for extra help. I feel people nowadays rely too much on doctors and medicine when the fault lies within their reach. If they can solve it by themselves with their own will power, seeking help will only make them weaker in the future when they face other problems. Asking for tips is okay, getting someone to help you as if you are diseased is not. Just my opinion. I think if he maintains the state of mind he has now he is far from ever needing a therapist. I think you (and a lot of other people) are extremely confused about when therapy is and isn't appropriate. It's my earnest hope that you don't really think that every person who needs therapy "is a psychopath or retard [...] has been abused or has alcholic [sic] parents [...] diseased" etc. Lots of incredibly smart, stable, high performing people go to therapy for a ton of reasons. If we believe what the poster is saying, he's clearly very smart but has been performing in basically the worst bracket possible and has been skipping more school than he's been attending. If you really think that this is a problem with his motivation, that he's just a "slacker," then I guess I don't know what to say. It's of course entirely possible that he's undergone some drastic change himself and will finish school with a spotless record, but I question the usefulness of the advice he's getting here. Chances are, he knows that going to a great graduate school is a good idea. But I expect that there's some other reason why he hasn't been going to school, and I also expect that a therapist could be really helpful in figuring out what is keeping him from doing the things he wants to do. Also, even if you do retain your regressive ideas about therapy, I urge you to keep them to yourself. Prejudicial statements about therapy often keep people who need it from seeking it out, or make it difficult for them to ask for it. If you convince people that only crazy or mentally handicapped (what the fuck?) people go to therapy, then obviously they will resist seeking it out for fear that it means that they too are crazy. It has nothing to do with an over-reliance on doctors. Therapists are just helpful, for almost anything. It's a way to figure things out for yourself. I've never been to a therapist, but I'm thinking about it. More than half of people I know go to therapy, and I don't think a single one is psychopathic or retarded. | ||
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
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On November 04 2007 02:11 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: you have 5 study hall periods and you were bragging about finishing your homework in an hour and having 5 free hours every night? 5/6 days i have a single study hall. Not 5 periods a day, that would leave 3 periods to take actual classes O_O | ||
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fanatacist
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On November 04 2007 02:41 Bill307 wrote: I guess this why so many people on Slashdot complain about American high schools letting everyone pass instead of holding some students back =/. In Ontario, at least when I graduated, universities looked at the grades from only your last 1 or 2 years of high school. I think it's silly that your grades from your first 2 years of high school can have so much weight against your college prospects. I mean, it's not like some magical maturity switch in your head is turned on when you enter grade 9. I'd like to think that most colleges will not care about your low cumulative GPA if you get top marks in everything from here on. Hopefully the people saying that here are right =/. They look at your cumulative GPA first, but on the transcript you can see the overall GPA for each year seperately. Many colleges like NYU, their second highest priority tends to be IMPROVEMENT in GPA. I'm not saying that having a .586 doesn't hurt you at all, but an improvement to a 4.0 from a .586 would definitely make them see in you a different way. It's way better to have it be like this: Grade 9: .586 Grade 10: .586 Grade 11: 3.8 Grade 12: 3.9 Than it is to have this: Grade 9: 2.6 Grade 10: 2.6 Grade 11: 2.6 Grace 12: 2.6 And infinitely better than this: Grade 9: 3.5 Grade 10: 3.0 Grade 11: 2.5 Grade 12: 2.0 Although your average GPA is higher in the second and third sets of GPA examples, the IMPROVEMENT in the first GPA outweighs that. So in a sense, you have the same line of thought as many colleges. | ||
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fanatacist
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On November 04 2007 02:49 bine wrote: I think you (and a lot of other people) are extremely confused about when therapy is and isn't appropriate. It's my earnest hope that you don't really think that every person who needs therapy "is a psychopath or retard [...] has been abused or has alcholic [sic] parents [...] diseased" etc. Lots of incredibly smart, stable, high performing people go to therapy for a ton of reasons. If we believe what the poster is saying, he's clearly very smart but has been performing in basically the worst bracket possible and has been skipping more school than he's been attending. If you really think that this is a problem with his motivation, that he's just a "slacker," then I guess I don't know what to say. It's of course entirely possible that he's undergone some drastic change himself and will finish school with a spotless record, but I question the usefulness of the advice he's getting here. Chances are, he knows that going to a great graduate school is a good idea. But I expect that there's some other reason why he hasn't been going to school, and I also expect that a therapist could be really helpful in figuring out what is keeping him from doing the things he wants to do. Also, even if you do retain your regressive ideas about therapy, I urge you to keep them to yourself. Prejudicial statements about therapy often keep people who need it from seeking it out, or make it difficult for them to ask for it. If you convince people that only crazy or mentally handicapped (what the fuck?) people go to therapy, then obviously they will resist seeking it out for fear that it means that they too are crazy. It has nothing to do with an over-reliance on doctors. Therapists are just helpful, for almost anything. It's a way to figure things out for yourself. I've never been to a therapist, but I'm thinking about it. More than half of people I know go to therapy, and I don't think a single one is psychopathic or retarded. I never said ALL people that get therapy are retards or psychopaths. In fact I am looking into therapeutic psychology myself, if I get my shit together and go to college. I had wrongly assumed you were in the same group as others in this thread who have posted negative things out of ignorance - I assumed YOU meant that he needed serious professional help for some kind of mental deficiency on his part when you suggested therapy. Just as you misunderstood my inclinations and knowledge of therapy, I mistook yours. I never intended to send the message to ALL people who feel they need therapy to suck it up and fix themselves. I was going on the thought that he came to a point of self-realization, which is evidenced by his post asking for assistance. Of course he could similar help from a therapist, but what I do believe is that if he is in the state of mind to ask for help and has the resolve to make changes on his own, he doesn't need the help that many others may have in this case. I also know people who have been to therapists and psychologist of sorts, and I take into account what they told me. But I think that in some cases, especially in terms of personal motivation, there is no better therapist than yourself. Sometimes you may need external help to get yourself on the right path or to strengthen your resolve, but this is not the case here. He has stated that he lacked confidence because he had no friends and other problems, seemingly all of which have been remedied sufficiently to this point for him to change his mind. If you have any further doubts, retorts, comments, etc. please PM me so we don't clutter up this topic. | ||
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