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Well, i had one of the most depressing chats the other day in school. I was heading to math on halloween, and as soon as i enter the classroom i got pulled out, The lady who asks what you want to do in the future and all these other questiosn wants to talk to me. She also tells you your GPA and all your test scores and all that shit.
So we go into her office, and i know my GPA is oging to be low, i figure it's like 1.5 or something. The shock to me is she tells me my GPA is a miserable .586 or somethign mentally retarded like that. At this point i'm thinking how retarded this lady must think i actually am. I then laughed it off and said "Well, i guess i'm going to RCC." Rockland Community College. Anyway she goes "Yes, but i don't think you should be going there." God i'm telling tihs very randomly so far, i will try to keep it more organized from here on out.
After she tells me my GPA i tell her how dumb she must think i am, at that point she says how she doens't think i am dumb, and pulls out my IQ scores from 2 years ago. She told me according to my GPA, i barely have a pulse, but according to my IQ tests i should be attending MIT. It was a compliment and a slap in the face all at the same time, So she asks what i have been doing for the last few years, Well to sum it up, i have had literally no motivatin whatsoever, and i pretty much tell her that, what's there to look forward to after highschool and college? I live of mediocrity and a job i don't like? The fun is gone. She told me that that wans't necessarily the case and started asking me about my aspiration for a career, what i particualrly wanted to do. I told her that i was interested in a job that would allow me to travel around a lot, becuase i have no desire to stay in one place for an extended period of time, i don't mean travel around the country, i want to see the world. And at some point i hope i will. Then i elaborated syaing i either watned to design video games or something relating to history, Archaeoligist came to mind, i would get to travel and see the world, and view things most people never will.
But at this point during our chat it seems like an unrealistic dream. This year of highschool i finally stepped up and am going and doing everything i should be doing, i have a girlfriend who actually makes me have to go to school, she depends on me driving her, and no matter how much of a failure i am i will never bring someone down with me. Therefore since i drive her every morning, i'm awake every morning, ready every morning, and going to school every morning. But even with all A+ this year, which is easy enough my GPA still won't be hihg enough to go anywehre besides RCC, which i confessed i had no desire whatsoever to go to under any circumstance, considering it doens't support any of the majors i am interested in.
She tells me that theres more then one way to get into a college, and GPA is one of them. She told me that i have to sell myself in other ways besides my GPA, tell them about everything, how i had no motivation until recently, then that alone will not help, i need to show them something, basically she susgested i create some sort of game, or have soemthing to show colleges besides a my grade list. I was laboring under the delusion that Incompletes didn't count as anything twoards your grade, and just disappeared. I don't remmeber why i thought that, but it turns out they count as F's and my summer school grades, i have no idea what they count as.
So in short, now that i'm finished with this somwhat blogish thing, i would of posted it as a blog, but i desperately need help and a blog woldn't get enough attention.
I need TL to help me find good websites and places to learn how to use Flash, or other programs to design video games, and anyone who is willing to help me learn it's most apprecaited, what happens involving tihs over the next 2 years will most likely determine the rest of my life. For better, or for worse. So i ask the most useful knowledgable place that i know of, that's right, i come to TL for all the help i need, i confess and ask for help to virtually no one, when the lady asks who knows me best and who knows what i want to do in the future, i could honeslty say no one did, I never really talked about it at all. Until now, now i am using all help available to me and do everything in my power to assure myself that in the next 10 years, i can look back and say "Wow, i came so close to ruining myself, but i threw it all together." Rather then living with my parents, or dead, or in the army, or whatever i end up doing. So TL, now that i view my archaeology career, since theres nothing i can present to a college that i can tihnk of to involve that, so by not doing good in school, i limtied my options. So TL, can you help me save my life?
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No, you're fucked. With a fucking .5 gpa (i dont even know where to start with that) you're nto going anywhere besides CC. Go to community college for 2 years, get a straight 4.0, transfer into a state school, finish strong their, go to a respectable grad school, then get you're dream job. But yea you're fucked. till then.
edit: i'm still trying to comprehend how you can get a .586 short of going to school without using hands, blindfolded, earplugs, answering in jibberish, etc.
edit 2: seriously you can get at least a 2.0 doing almost not hw and just doing anything besides taking a shit on your in school assignments/tests.
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I got fucked every which way for about 2 years.
I went to about 30-40 days of school a year for the last 3-4 years. When i went i usually did fine, but attendence destroys me apparently. It really blows, i walk in and do the best on my tests out of the entire class then fail anyway. But i still have 2 years, junior and senior to finish this shit up. A+ across the board should up it a little bit.
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Anyway that's irrelivent to the point, i asked not how much of a failure you guys think i am, or how impossible you beleive it be, i asked for suggestions and help learning game design.
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TBH i think learning game design right now would just be bad usage of your time, you should make sure you ace everything and i mean EVERYTHING, and not only that but i'm sure there are other things that you could be doing if you do have any spare time left that would be more constructive than learning about making videogames
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yea i'm pretty sure you have to go to school to pass school
you should work on that, and adjust to college nicely
You're lucky, if i missed like 1% of the days you missed i would have been kicked out of school where i live.
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I can pass school right now without really trying, i understand it all, finish homework in 1-2 hour sand have about 5 spare hours of time. Which could be better focused towards other things besides nothing.
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by pass i mean ace. I have A's now.
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get a job
community service
school clubs
sports
etc.
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On November 03 2007 12:43 decafchicken wrote:
Go to community college for 2 years, get a straight 4.0, transfer into a state school...
You can get into good schools from CC, ya know. Especially with 4.0.
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What a messed up system if your grade for the entirety of high school counts towards your college qualifying. It's stupid to expect 14 year olds to be dedicating themselves to high marks.
In Australia only the marks from the last two years of school count for anything, and it's only the marks from the final year that actually determine your entry scores for university education.
Sorry I can't offer anything useful, except perhaps that you should investigate the open-source software community. I'd imagine there's a great deal to be learned and achieved within it for someone sufficiently motivated.
Edit: Also, from what little I've heard, it is possible to do what others in the thread have been suggesting, and use really good Community College marks to boost your way into tertiary education which has more clout with potential employers.
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Monkey, do you live in Florida?
I remember when I was going to school in California up until I was 17, then I moved to Florida to finish the last half of my junior year, and senior year in high school, it was a joke.
The work in FL was dumbed down when compared to CA, they also didn\'t care as much that I missed hella school, and for some reason let me sleep in class a lot.
I\'m glad I\'m out of high school, that shit was boring as hell.
I\'m looking forward for college though, I start in January.
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you don't necessarily HAVE to do well in school to get a good job, etc. but it sure makes it a lot easier, even if you ignore what you might've learned from school (both the specifics and the more general abstract skills like studying, discipline, etc.)
i wouldn't focus too much on the video game industry if i were you, especially design. relative to other industries, a lot of people want these jobs so it's tougher to get a spot and pay is generally reduced. i know nothing about archaeology, but i bet you'd need a graduate degree from a good university before you'd be able to travel around on expeditions.
i think your best two options are either to go for community college with the aim of quickly transferring up, or get a job with good growth potential where you need to kick ass and impress people. the latter would be hard given your track record so far, so this'll probably rely on networking -- like anybody you know through your family or close friends.
if at all possible try to spend time with people who are hard working and successful. their attitudes and advice will be contagious, and you'll find yourself doing better too.
as for your immediate future, i think you'd be better off doing something around other people who can vouch for you as competent/hardworking instead of working on a game on your own. maybe volunteer somewhere or see if you can get a part-time job or internship. credibility is what you need right now.
congratulations on dumping the mindset that laziness is good. far too many bright people have been set back by that due to getting away with it in high school (including me, somewhat).
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Calgary25977 Posts
In my experience, nothing anyone posts here will change you. You'll use it to feel better and continue down the same path.
Good luck and I hope you prove me wrong.
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On November 03 2007 12:39 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
I need TL to help me find good websites and places to learn how to use Flash, or other programs to design video games, and anyone who is willing to help me learn it's most apprecaited, what happens involving tihs over the next 2 years will most likely determine the rest of my life. For better, or for worse.
Everyone I know is amazed by how easily I breeze through CS courses here (or hates me for it, perhaps  ). I believe it's partly because I've got a huge experience advantage over them: I've been doing this stuff in my spare time since grade 9. So you might not realize it, but FYI if you start trying to make fun little games and other apps now, combined with being already particularly intelligent, it can make you dramatically better than your classmates in the future.
But that's not important. The important part is that it's also fun . (seriously, that'd be my main motivation factor for learning it if I were you  )
Do you know any programming languages? If not, then probably the easiest way to start making games is to play around with a tool like The Games Factory or Multimedia Fusion, software produced by Clickteam (alternatively, you could learn to use Flash: I'm mentioning these tools not necessarily because they're better, but because they're the way I got my start). Not only is it a lot of fun, but you will be a better programmer because of it. Using these programs to build games will teach you concepts like variables, if-statements, loops, etc. which carry over to actual programming easily, not to mention the problem-solving experience. I only learned how to write real code in grade 10, and it was ridiculously easy because I'd had so much experience with The Games Factory beforehand. So ultimately, the hardest aspects of learning programming can be learned by using a program like these (Flash would be equally useful, too). Going from, say, the Event List in The Games Factory to real code is a trivial difference, like learning to write multiplication "a*b" by writing "ab".
Don't worry about learning a "real" language. There are perhaps 3 aspects to becoming a good programmer:
1. learning the basic concepts: variables, if-statements, loops, and functions/procedures
2. learning the concept of pointers/references to objects, and other more technical, lower-level concepts
3. learning to write good code (easy to understand, easy to change, etc.)
#1 you can learn right now by picking up Flash, or The Games Factory, etc. You'll also gradually learn #3, to an extent. #2 is what you should learn when you pick up a "real" language (e.g. Java). I strongly suggest learning and understanding the concept of references/pointers before you start to learn Java (or C++, or C, etc.), otherwise you will end up doing a lot of stuff "just because", without really understanding why you have to do it =P. I didn't learn this stuff until first year university, so you don't have to feel any pressure to learn it now.
Lastly, here's an example of what you can make with The Games Factory (please ignore the fact that it is also a shameless plug ).
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Lmao. That GPA is amazingly low. I'm inclined to think your IQ scores were a fluke simply because you'd have to be extra-extra retarded to get that kind of GPA; laziness alone wouldn't have cut it in getting such an extraordinarily low GPA. It's ok though, life has a nice buffer period after finishing high school during which it sort of "sinks in". When it truly sinks in how fucked you are I hope for your sake that you will take real action (the kind that won't require a TL.net consultation) or you will end up with those other homeless people who have above average IQs. They usually have the excuse of being mentally ill though, what will be yours?
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0.5 gpa? 
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On November 03 2007 13:18 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
by pass i mean ace. I have A's now.
What kind of classes are you taking? You should at leat challenege yourself to take advanced classes...shows some motivation.
PS
I have honestly never met someone with a GPA lower than a 1.5 (didn't even know it was possible)
How the FUCK in the world do you get a 0.5? How many credits do you have?
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Well it's not TOO late. This is your junior year right? If I remember correctly, you missed a lot of school days for the past two days. Just try the best you can in junior year (seriously, get A's continuously to make up for it). Junior year is the most important year in high school.
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1. A's continuously in classes like Alg II & English 11 aren't going to impress anybody.
2. I despise people like you. Full of shitty excuses for you failure. It would take more than absences to sabotage your grades that far.
3. It's too late. Even if you shape up, you have your entire sophomore year lagging you down (right)?
4. Making games? ROFL? Shape up, and stop fantasizing about how you'll help develop games for Blizzard. A simple little flash game isn't going to get you in Berkeley or MIT.
5. She's a high school counselor... in America where phrases like 'You can do anything of try hard enough!' are fed like candy to kids. You really think she is telling the truth?
6. How the hell did you parents let that happen?
7. CCs aren't that bad. My 9th grade Bio teacher went to a CC, got 4.0s throughout, transfered to UC San Diego (OH SHI), and ended up as a field biologist. Keep in mind that a 4.0 from a CC is usually worth more than a 4.4 from just any HS.
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On November 03 2007 13:18 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
I can pass school right now without really trying, i understand it all, finish homework in 1-2 hour sand have about 5 spare hours of time. Which could be better focused towards other things besides nothing.
To be quite honest, I don't think you quite get it all. Part of being smart is realizing what you have and applying yourself so that you maximize your potential. You may be able to ace tests without trying but you are failing to learn that part of life is being able to show up and be on time to what you are doing. If you are this way now how do you expect to be once you graduate college?
Even if you apply yourself and get out of all of this I don't think it will lead you to some revelation that you turned things around, it will just show you that you can dick off for as long as you want and allow for you to still get away with it.
The best thing you can do right now is to just accept the situation you are in and go get a job for a year or two. If you don't realize why you are going to school or appreciate it, there is no real reason for you to be there.
I know that none of this is what you wanted as you pointed out a couple times that you aren't looking for a lecture, you are looking for help on learning that stuff. The best help you can receive though is realizing that this is only another quick fix, it won't solve any problems.
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lol hippo no offense but you\'re an ass, and wrong
I\'m working on getting a masters in education at the moment, and I can tell you there\'s no direct correlation between your GPA, your test scores, and your intelligence (in any combination).
Basically Monkey I think you have a couple options, although it depends on what you want to do. Designing video games and being an archaeologist are completely different paths. Archeology you need school for. Programming is possible without school but honestly school is easier way to learn than on your own I think.
So either way, your best bet is probably through school... college is a good place to try different classes and see which one you\'re truly passionate about, too.
Anyways...
1. You can work your ass off for the rest of high school and show that you have turned yourself around. Not just getting high grades, but like decaf said, you\'ll have to do community service (which isn\'t all bad, if you find a fun museum to volunteer at or something) and join clubs (become an officer if possible - heck start a club yourself). It\'s possible that if you get a 4.0 your last year (or two?) then you can get accepted into a 4 year college, especially if you can write a good entrance essay.
But... if your total GPA is low, I hate to say it but most colleges will just glance at it and throw your app away unless you have shockingly high SAT scores that will make them look twice.
In which case,
2. I know you don\'t want to go to CC, but dude, you might have to do it... just think of it like doing over a couple years of high school and force yourself to excel for your future\'s sake. If you get a 4.0 in CC they won\'t give a fuck what you got in high school, and you\'ll be able to get into some nice universities. Again, you can also use this time to figure out which avenue you want to pursue. It\'s not wasted time because then it\'s 2 years of classes you don\'t have to pay for at college.
3. If you can find out what you want to do, the best way to get into it is to get an entry level job at a business and work your way up. Doesn\'t work very well with archeology (but who knows... maybe get an internship at that museum you volunteered at), but might work for programming if you have any skills.
Anyway, your best asset right now is your drive to succeed. As long as you keep that and work your ass off, you will figure something out. Don\'t stress yourself too much... it\'s easy to think that you have to figure out your whole life right away, but you\'ll have time.
Hope this helps.
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does .5 mean you are retarded?:D:D
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I'm working on getting a masters in education at the moment, and I can tell you there's no direct correlation between your GPA, your test scores, and your intelligence (in any combination).
That cannot be true. IQ (if that's what you mean by the word "intelligence") would have little meaning if it correlated with nothing. In fact I don't believe it measures anything 'real' as much as some poorly defined characteristic that you somewhat isolate because you can correlate it with a number of things. Of two people identical in all respects but IQ the one with the higher IQ would have the higher GPA unless the threshold for a perfect GPA is really low. I have to appear as an asshole to convey how it is. To have a .5 GPA... well, that's really amazingly bad.
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You're not gonna do any better if you don't find something that actually motivates you. As of now you're pretty much not motivated at all, and unless you change that you're not gonna be in a much better situation than you are now.
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you're obviously an average fucktard that's probably in remedial classes.
Ohh, you got an A in Geometry as a junior, or an A in weight training, or A in french 2. So you got a high IQ, it doesn't represent hope for the future, but possibilities thrown away in the past.
If you really know what's good for you, start studying for SAT's, take AP's, join a sports team, community service, take control of your life, join clubs and become an officer (yeah right), and don't fantasize about video game designing. If you can make a video game that will sell like Halo, then go for it. Otherwise, be realistic and just start working hard.
Oh and, community college: fucking EASY. i took chem-101, psych-101, spanish 102b, chem-o.chem202, and a biotech class. EASY AS SHIT. they say AP is the introductory level class for chem in college. LOL. AP chem was 10 times harder than community college chem-101.
and don't joke me about language. their 4th semester language was about high school's honors spanish 2 or 3. 4.0 in community college is no problem, just actually do the work. maybe i just go to a good high school, because community college is just an easy way for us to review and get lots of credits.
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On November 03 2007 14:15 FragKrag wrote:
1. A's continuously in classes like Alg II & English 11 aren't going to impress anybody.
2. I despise people like you. Full of shitty excuses for you failure. It would take more than absences to sabotage your grades that far.
3. It's too late. Even if you shape up, you have your entire sophomore year lagging you down (right)?
4. Making games? ROFL? Shape up, and stop fantasizing about how you'll help develop games for Blizzard. A simple little flash game isn't going to get you in Berkeley or MIT.
5. She's a high school counselor... in America where phrases like 'You can do anything of try hard enough!' are fed like candy to kids. You really think she is telling the truth?
6. How the hell did you parents let that happen?
7. CCs aren't that bad. My 9th grade Bio teacher went to a CC, got 4.0s throughout, transfered to UC San Diego (OH SHI), and ended up as a field biologist. Keep in mind that a 4.0 from a CC is usually worth more than a 4.4 from just any HS.
Your a fucking retard, Require more then absences? Apparnelty it doens't if thats what happend, and that' shwy i'm failing, when this year i actually go and i actually try, and i actually get decent-good grades. So shut your mouth before you call me a failure. I have no reason to lie on the internet about why my grades are so low, why my GPA is so low, why why why why why. I can go on for years, to sum up my entire life would probably take about 20 minutes, and it just isn't rellivent to the topic.
I thank all of your for your advice/lectures/anything postive or truthful you have to offer.
@Chill
I'm inclined to disagree, i am not using this as a method to make myself feel better, i can do tons of other shit to make myself feel better. And i am obvioously not continueing down the same path as i was a year or 2 ago, I have motivation, i'm tired of not caring, i'm tired of being condescended to by people who have that cute little 3.0 gpa and haven't gotten left abck and for some reason think they are somehow smarter or more intelligent then me, even though they can't figure out how to get rid of a computer virus (Yes, that's an actual exmaple of something that happened) I have every intention of no longer being a failure, and i plan to get as high as possible on the SAT, probably around 2200+ or something, i knwo i'm saying that like it's easy, which i don't beleive it's going to be. But if i study hard enough, more so then most people, i tend to catch onto stuff pretty quickly, and learn relatively fast.
For those who said i should probably challenge myself more and do more extra stuff, such as volunteering, clubs, etc.
I'm currently a member of something called JSA, Junior Statesman of America, I like politics, i like argueing, i figured it could be fun, there kind of dumb, and don't really make sense, and the style of debating is not what i'm used to, by argueing with people on aim, or in person, or wherever. But it's alright and sometimes entertaining. But i should try and do more, and i think i will, maybe i should switch into more advanced classes, i agree that if i'm taking 1+1 = 2 math it's not optimizing my potential to anymeans.
Community College isn't that bad, as you have all said, 2 good years there might not be so bad, i mean especially comapired to the time i have wasted in highschool.
One of you mentioned how i was dreaming of helping blizzard develop a new game. OMG I CANT BELIVE IT YOU CAUGHT ME!! I played starcraft now i must chase some half wit dream to make games for the compnay that mades the bestest rts evaaZZzZz~~` Oh wait a second, I barely play SC anymore, and when i played it actively and loved it, i never really thougth about my future. After i stopped playing as much i started thinking more, more about potential careers, more about my future, and more about what i like and what i would like to do. When i realized i liked video games, i played a lot of them, and i wouldn't mind making them for a living.
From now on i'm not giong to even bother responding in insulting ways towards anyone, no matter what they say, i'm just giong to respond to those who make actual constructive posts, which make sense.
Now for Bill, Thanks man, i am going to go to those sites either today or tomorrow, thanks man, oh and to someone else, i didn't think designing some shitty flash game would get me into MIT, but perhaps it would help get me into a lessor school with game design as a major, I only said what the lady said, quoted back, i didn't say "Help me make a flash game so that i may go to MIT and be #1 stunna on campas!" Figured i would explain that little bit, that i don't exspect to create the next zombie massacre game in 2D and go to MIT, it's clearly unrealistic to think that anything i do at this poitn would get me into an ivy league schoool. Unless i were to cure cancer.
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There are actually some schools that'll accept you no matter your GPA (that are actually really good schools). The college I go to, the Academy of Art in San Francisco doesn't give a shit about your GPA and portfolio (although having those makes things easier, not for admission but other things) as long you have the money to attend (fucking 20-25k a year, but that's not as bad as other schools I guess) or are poor enough to get a shit load of financial aid (ie. me). Although if you're middle class then I guess you'll need to take out a shitload of loans.
The only catch is if you fall below a 2.0 at any point in time you get kicked out, but I think that's normal.
It doesn't have a archaeology or history department (obviously), but it has an awesome game development department. So if you're that desperate that's an option. However I'm sure there are plenty of other colleges like that who will accept you.
Edit: Also, I would actually still recommend going to community college first to get all of the required academic courses (I'm to sleepy to think of the proper term) out of the way cheaply. Like math, english, history, or whatever since if you go to regular college you'll be paying like 10x the amount for the exact same credits.
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@op: you're joking right?
just go to a cc. it's not that bad at all, and it's probably going to be your best choice for someone as unmotivated as you. even if you did make it to a good college you'd probably just be wasting your time and money there doing jack crap, since you don't even know how to get through high school at the moment. and if you're going to do something like video game design or whatever you said, going to a cc would probably be the smartest choice anyway.
no offense, but if you're really as motivated/smart as you say you are you'd have realized that grades really don't matter; if you know what you want to do and you have the drive to do it, you wouldn't be posting here asking for help like this, rofl sorry it's just so retardedly funny to me.
i went through a similar situation when i was in high school first two years, but despite not doing shit i managed to get away with a 1.6gpa, and i got my act together walked off with a 3.3gpa by the end of high school. i didn't even have to "try" or whatever. then i applied to several different universities and got into all of them (if you live in cali, usc, uc davis, san diego, riverside, sjsu, usf), but i still ended up going to a cc just because it's just so much cheaper. and after 2 years of cc with good grades you can pretty much go wherever the fuck you want, as long as you have the motivation to do what you want to do.
get your act together. you still have plenty of time to fix your grades, or at the very least, get your priorities straight. good luck.
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i think your main priority is to come to class from now on. Don't ditch anymore again and just come to class. You dont even have to listen to the teacher if u dont want to but just show up. Get all the assignments, figure out how to do the material and turn it what ur supposed to do.
A lot of kids are having this problem nowadays and dont wanna go to school but you seriously gotta give it a try.
I probably have the best attendance for all the slackers out there(which im one of) and im pulling off a 2.7 in college. Think about it man if you dont go to high school who is gonna support you when ur like 19.
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On November 03 2007 14:40 skyglow1 wrote:
You're not gonna do any better if you don't find something that actually motivates you. As of now you're pretty much not motivated at all, and unless you change that you're not gonna be in a much better situation than you are now.
I have motivation now, what it is isn't really rellivent to the convesation, unless someone tells me how it is, i won't bother saying it, since it's kind of a long story.
Oh and berated- i almost frogot to respond to you.
To be quite honest, I don't think you quite get it all. Part of being smart is realizing what you have and applying yourself so that you maximize your potential. You may be able to ace tests without trying but you are failing to learn that part of life is being able to show up and be on time to what you are doing. If you are this way now how do you expect to be once you graduate college? Your right, i do not push myself at all in these classes, i should get into more AP classes. Nothing else to say here.
Even if you apply yourself and get out of all of this I don't think it will lead you to some revelation that you turned things around, it will just show you that you can dick off for as long as you want and allow for you to still get away with it.
I disagree here, I realized i couldn't dick off for as long as i want and get away with it, i'm suffering from it right now, clearly. Now i have to play catch up, which is clearly not going to be easy, while if i just worked my entire way through, i wouldn't have to go crazy now, looking for insane ways to turn everything around. I don't ever plan on doing something this dumb again. I used to go home watch TV play sc/other video game. Now i go home do homework, check it and do whatever else, sleep early get up and do my work until the weekends. I don't fuck around anymore, i learned that's not the way to go through life. Trying to get by on the minimum just doens't seem like a good idea AT ALL. [/quote]
The best thing you can do right now is to just accept the situation you are in and go get a job for a year or two. If you don't realize why you are going to school or appreciate it, there is no real reason for you to be there. I like to think i know why i'm going to school now, but maybe i don't. I go to school so that in the future i am not a useless person, and that i may actually like who i am, as an educated individual, someone who isn't the stupidest person in the world, to have a purpose, to be happy, and school will help with that. regardless of how i feel towards it. To help me be content or happy wiht myself, that's schools purpose, to be a stepping stone to that goal. And i don't tihnk i appreciate it, becuase i am not pushed. So this is not a good direction to go in, so i'm going to see if i can switch into different classes on monday, talk to my guidance counselor, i need a challenge, or i won't stay focused and will inevitably get bored. Being in these classes won't help.
I know that none of this is what you wanted as you pointed out a couple times that you aren't looking for a lecture, you are looking for help on learning that stuff. The best help you can receive though is realizing that this is only another quick fix, it won't solve any problems.
I always welcome helpful criticism and advice, yours was very good and i appreciate the time you put into it. Besides without the lecutres how would this get bumped so people like bill could post the information i requested 
And i don't plan on looking for quick fixes around every turn, because like i said before they lead to you having to do insane amounts of stuff, or insane stuff in a short amount of time. I rather ease myself through stuff from now on.
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On November 03 2007 15:03 noobienoob wrote:
@op: you're joking right?
just go to a cc. it's not that bad at all, and it's probably going to be your best choice for someone as unmotivated as you. even if you did make it to a good college you'd probably just be wasting your time and money there doing jack crap, since you don't even know how to get through high school at the moment. and if you're going to do something like video game design or whatever you said, going to a cc would probably be the smartest choice anyway.
no offense, but if you're really as motivated/smart as you say you are you'd have realized that grades really don't matter; if you know what you want to do and you have the drive to do it, you wouldn't be posting here asking for help like this, rofl sorry it's just so retardedly funny to me.
i went through a similar situation when i was in high school first two years, but despite not doing shit i managed to get away with a 1.6gpa, and i got my act together walked off with a 3.3gpa by the end of high school. i didn't even have to "try" or whatever. then i applied to several different universities and got into all of them (if you live in cali, usc, uc davis, san diego, riverside, sjsu, usf), but i still ended up going to a cc just because it's just so much cheaper. and after 2 years of cc with good grades you can pretty much go wherever the fuck you want, as long as you have the motivation to do what you want to do.
get your act together. you still have plenty of time to fix your grades, or at the very least, get your priorities straight. good luck.
I'm more motivated now then i was, if you read the entire thread, but i should of probably included that in he OP. But you guys are probalby right about the community college thing, it can't be that bad. And this isn't the 1960's without a highschool diploma and a probably some sort of college education, your not really going anywhere, my dad finished highschool, didn't go to college and now earns like 130k a year owning his own construction business, that just won't happen in this day and age, Actually i'm not even sure if he has full high school education. I don't beleive grades mean nothing, they have to mean something. Since you kind of need them, maybe comibned iwht other stuff to get into colleges, they can't mean nothing.
@BrutalMenace
I'm tired of being a slacker, it's boring as fuck. I have already started to step it up, i just am happy i am now getting advice on what i should step up and do exactly.
Someone also said they know i haven't gone to school for the last few days, i was wondeirng how they knew that, but theres reasons behind that, i did something stupid and can't go for a few days. Not going to happen again.
edit: clazziquai is the one who said that.
Oh and bill, whats CS stand for?
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hey bro, you and me are on the same page...
I am graduation high school with a 1.2.
Pretty much I'm looking at community college for 2 years, then to transfer.
We've both fucked up and we're both intelligent, but we have to deal with the negative repruccsions due to our academic lethargy  .
But there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Colleges look at progress. If they see that finnaly you have became motivated after years of failure (visable via your grades), there IS a chance you can go to a state college out of high school.
Rely on your intelect (lol i've spelled half the words in this aricle completely wrong, fuck english! calc ftw). When it comes time to write your college essay (which you should start NOW), explain your situation similarly to how you did in your OP.
Keep your head up man, I've fucked my life up with heroin and various other controlled substances but the key is to be optomistic.
Your strength lies in the fact that you know you're lazy as fuck, and that you're better then that, and to achieve the goals that you wish to achieve you're going to have to overcome your total disregard for school.
College , from what I hear, is a completely diffrent scenario than high school. People with no affinity towards public education can accel well beyond their years in college due to it's completely different structure.
Sorry for the rant, I've just had alot of the same thoughts in my mind, and I'm trying to be as optomistic as possible. But in all honesty, there's always a light at the end of the tunnel. You can be succesfull if you wish to succeed.
Gah, i type too much. Anyways, best of luck my friend, take care!
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On November 03 2007 13:13 Bill307 wrote:1. Start doing well in school again. Make your grade a high priority. Excel. 2. Get into a well-known college/university that is prominent in whatever field you want to study. It is very beneficial to attend an institution that has a strong reputation in said field. Literally everything is better when the institution is well-known: your classmates, your professors, your courses, and your prospects after graduation. 3. Use your high marks (and co-op experience, if you're fortunate to get into a program with co-op) to get interviews for jobs that you feel passionate about. 4. Win. 
ahh my main man summed it up right here
your intellect never ceases to amaze me mr. bill!
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have fun in community college... if you graduate
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by the way you have no chance at a great school like berkeley or MIT
the people that get into those schools have been excelling from day 1
actually the people that get rejected from those schools have been excelling from day 1
edit: if you are truly as smart as you say you are then just embrace your fate, go to CC and make good grades (it should be ridiculously easy to do this. you can probably train a parrot to make straight A's in CC). If you 4 at CC then you can transfer into a decent state school (probably not the best). that's the best way to show real schools you've cleaned up your act
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Man, even my terrible pot head friend got more than .5 GPA, but anyways glad to hear you're doing better. After HS is a really weird thing (I'm not there yet), your childhood is ending and only very few people seem to be able to break through and do what they want. The majority will get a nice office job, maybe get married, have kids, a more or less simple life. It's a kind of depressing prospect, I can't understand how people can be satisfied with just that, but maybe I will when I get there.
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On November 03 2007 14:52 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
@Chill
I'm inclined to disagree, i am not using this as a method to make myself feel better, i can do tons of other shit to make myself feel better. And i am obvioously not continueing down the same path as i was a year or 2 ago, I have motivation, i'm tired of not caring, i'm tired of being condescended to by people who have that cute little 3.0 gpa and haven't gotten left abck and for some reason think they are somehow smarter or more intelligent then me, even though they can't figure out how to get rid of a computer virus (Yes, that's an actual exmaple of something that happened) I have every intention of no longer being a failure, and i plan to get as high as possible on the SAT, probably around 2200+ or something, i knwo i'm saying that like it's easy, which i don't beleive it's going to be. But if i study hard enough, more so then most people, i tend to catch onto stuff pretty quickly, and learn relatively fast.
This reminds me of when I went from grade 8 (elementary school) to grade 9 (high school).
In grade 8 I was pretty good at academics but I hated school and ended up with a 70ish mark. Towards the end of grade 8, I remember missing a loooot of days of school. I'd use any excuse to stay home. I must have missed at least 5x as many days as the next most absent person.
Going into grade 9 something kicked in my head and I suddenly felt a lot more determined to do well in school. Probably a combination of having huge resentment for some of my teachers in elementary school and for my parents (for lots of things + putting me on anti-depressant meds), and meeting this nice girl who had really high marks (decided I wanted high marks like her, too). And I guess I'm also naturally inclined to feel very determined to accomplish things when under pressure. And finally, part of it was just me growing up.
These things happen, and I'm glad you've decided to start getting the marks that you know you deserve, and to start planning ahead for your future. 
Edit: oh yeah, you should definitely take the advanced courses. Always take the most advanced courses offered at your level. If you do anything less, you are only holding yourself back. (this applies to any smart person, imo)
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On November 03 2007 14:15 FragKrag wrote:
1. A's continuously in classes like Alg II & English 11 aren't going to impress anybody.
2. I despise people like you. Full of shitty excuses for you failure. It would take more than absences to sabotage your grades that far.
3. It's too late. Even if you shape up, you have your entire sophomore year lagging you down (right)?
4. Making games? ROFL? Shape up, and stop fantasizing about how you'll help develop games for Blizzard. A simple little flash game isn't going to get you in Berkeley or MIT.
5. She's a high school counselor... in America where phrases like 'You can do anything of try hard enough!' are fed like candy to kids. You really think she is telling the truth?
6. How the hell did you parents let that happen?
7. CCs aren't that bad. My 9th grade Bio teacher went to a CC, got 4.0s throughout, transfered to UC San Diego (OH SHI), and ended up as a field biologist. Keep in mind that a 4.0 from a CC is usually worth more than a 4.4 from just any HS.
Good for you, you fucktard... Do you feel better by putting other people down? He said like 3 times that he doesnt wanna hear how retarded he is for having a 0.5 gpa, he wants help (if real help) he just wants ideas of how to turn life around.
And Of course you have time dude, start challenging yourself in your junior and senior year with hard classes and doing good and impressing the counselors on how much better you wanna do and that you really care. They know a lot of people and they can give you good referrals(if thats the term).
Get a decent job that pays okay, have good benefits and pay for schooling. Be professional at your job, kiss ass to your boss and boss's boss and you ll move up in your job while going to school (community college) and then transfer to a bigger school.
Don't do drugs and don't fall in love with a girl (it can mess your life up).
I dunno if that was much help. My post was intended to just flame FragKrag but then started thinkin about little stuff
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IF you are interested in flash stuff www.newgrounds.com has a lot of tutorials and stuff there is also youtube. I figured out how to make a soundboard from watching a video on youtube.
here is my website copy the [IMG] link into your address bar.
http://spore3006.googlepages.com/home
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similar thing happened to my friend, he started out doing well in middle school and perhaps freshman year. by senior year, he had failed all his classes due to lack of motivation and such. he took an extra year to graduate, but now he's at a public college, but still above community college. right now he's doing well in 6 classes, part-time internship job, and commutes over an hour every day.
I'm pretty sure if you make straight A's for the next two years you can do better than community college. Then after two years, you can transfer out into a better college. Good luck.
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i hope you realize how far behind you are, these days even a 3.5+ is nothing special. for the amount that you are behind, you will need to put in a proportionate amount of effort into catching up. a .5 average right now with straight As for the next two years will put you at low 2.0s, probably not enough for most state schools.
like lil.sis already said, if you manage to average a 4.0 in community college and transfer to a decent school, you'll only be where you should have been had you done average in high school. from there, it's more hard work to prove to others and to yourself that you have the drive to go beyond 'just good enough.' you've got a long, long road ahead of you but there's just no way around it. i hope your op was sincere, and the best of luck to you!
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if ur really that intelligent ur grades should be higher. hell i went to school stoned every friggin day and still graduated with an above average mark (2,1 - german system). and the US school should be even easier.
from what i read your main problem was ur attendance, which is dumb. not going to school at all is the only way to fuck ur grades up. as long as ur there ur grades wont be that bad even if ur on drugs or w/e. If u really hate going to school id smoke weed before the classes begin and be somewhere else mentally. ull still get better grades than if u dont show.
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On November 03 2007 14:15 FragKrag wrote:
1. A's continuously in classes like Alg II & English 11 aren't going to impress anybody.
2. I despise people like you. Full of shitty excuses for you failure. It would take more than absences to sabotage your grades that far.
3. It's too late. Even if you shape up, you have your entire sophomore year lagging you down (right)?
4. Making games? ROFL? Shape up, and stop fantasizing about how you'll help develop games for Blizzard. A simple little flash game isn't going to get you in Berkeley or MIT.
5. She's a high school counselor... in America where phrases like 'You can do anything of try hard enough!' are fed like candy to kids. You really think she is telling the truth?
6. How the hell did you parents let that happen?
7. CCs aren't that bad. My 9th grade Bio teacher went to a CC, got 4.0s throughout, transfered to UC San Diego (OH SHI), and ended up as a field biologist. Keep in mind that a 4.0 from a CC is usually worth more than a 4.4 from just any HS.
wow and i despise ppl like you! I bet you dont do drugs, go to "parties" were nobody does drugs, got really really good grades, basically still accept ur parents authority (u call it love and respect to yourself) and are a virgin.
The worst part of all is u actually think ur intelligent and think of people who got bad grades, do drugs or w/e as failures. Hate to break it to you dude but some people actually fuck a girl or 2 and sniff a line of charlie while you learn and still have the same grade as you. Yep, life is unfair!
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i wish i had a lady who'd talk to me like that. in our school, nobody cared. -_-
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United States996 Posts
get all As then write some bullshit college essay about how you had a life changing experience that propelled the change. back it up with good SAT and maybe SAT II scores and a bunch of community service and find some teacher to write you a good letter of rec in your major
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My advice to the OP: it is never too late. And there are no shortcuts in life.
You may feel like you screwed up a few years and it's "now or never". But it's never "now or never". Even if whatever trick you try to make up for the past fails, there's always another chance.
But about that trick; there are no shortcuts in life. If you screwed up a few years, be prepared to pay another few years to make it up. Not a fancy flashgame, hehe.
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On November 03 2007 18:52 diehilde wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2007 14:15 FragKrag wrote:
1. A's continuously in classes like Alg II & English 11 aren't going to impress anybody.
2. I despise people like you. Full of shitty excuses for you failure. It would take more than absences to sabotage your grades that far.
3. It's too late. Even if you shape up, you have your entire sophomore year lagging you down (right)?
4. Making games? ROFL? Shape up, and stop fantasizing about how you'll help develop games for Blizzard. A simple little flash game isn't going to get you in Berkeley or MIT.
5. She's a high school counselor... in America where phrases like 'You can do anything of try hard enough!' are fed like candy to kids. You really think she is telling the truth?
6. How the hell did you parents let that happen?
7. CCs aren't that bad. My 9th grade Bio teacher went to a CC, got 4.0s throughout, transfered to UC San Diego (OH SHI), and ended up as a field biologist. Keep in mind that a 4.0 from a CC is usually worth more than a 4.4 from just any HS.
wow and i despise ppl like you! I bet you dont do drugs, go to "parties" were nobody does drugs, got really really good grades, basically still accept ur parents authority (u call it love and respect to yourself) and are a virgin. The worst part of all is u actually think ur intelligent and think of people who got bad grades, do drugs or w/e as failures. Hate to break it to you dude but some people actually fuck a girl or 2 and sniff a line of charlie while you learn and still have the same grade as you. Yep, life is unfair!
Not that i like what he wrote but calling "sniff a line" good sucks bad ^^
Monkey stop dreaming that you get a good job in gamingindustrie with no good education, learning it by yourself will never be enough. Go back to school like some say here and try to reach after 2 years higher schools. I really wonder where your parents have been
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On November 03 2007 19:57 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
get all As then write some bullshit college essay about how you had a life changing experience that propelled the change. back it up with good SAT and maybe SAT II scores and a bunch of community service and find some teacher to write you a good letter of rec in your major
i agree with Zephyr, just don't make it a bullshit college essay, make it fucking shakespeare, this had better be the goddam college essay any college has ever seen.
also if you TRULY change your ways and shit and get straight A's for the next two years you can probably end up with around 2.2 GPA by the end of high school, which could get you into a (okay) state school (which is definitely above a CC). Find out which state school has a relatively good computer or archeology(doubtful) departments/teachers and do your best to go there. Then when you get high marks there transfer to a better state school, then going to MIT or something for grad school won't seem like such an unreality as it does at this very moment.
But it all boils down to your decision to work hard. NOW! (Which is way harder than I'm making it sound)
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United States3468 Posts
Keep in mind that high school guidance counselors are generally remarkably clueless about their jobs, especially when it comes to advising people far more intelligent than they are. There is no such thing as an IQ so high its possessor should be attending MIT (or any school). IQ is necessary but not sufficient to succeed in academics at any level, as by now you should know very well. Forget about having anything to do with an elite university in the foreseeable future, even if happen to be the next Einstein.
Now here is the advise part. Calm down. The American university system is such that there is always a way to make a comeback, no matter how badly you've fucked yourself over in the past. Your case isn't nearly as bad as you think, and if you follow the right steps from now on then in several years your high school disaster will be forgotten and irrelevant.
The bad news is, there is absolutely no chance for you to get into a college that fits your intellectual abilities. This is especially true if you're a white male but it's probably the case in general. If you apply to a state school they simply won't read your application past your gpa and transcript. This means you won't even get into schools where you're smarter than even the top students, but such is the nature of your predicament.
The rational thing for you to do is to enroll at a community college. Academically this may for the most part be a waste of time since you'll be collecting easy A's without learning much or being stimulated, but it's completely necessary at this point. Basically you have to prove that you're even capable of doing easy busywork before moving on to the next stage. On the bright side, many interesting people including adults go to community colleges, and the professors can give you lots of personal attention if they find you're interested and talented. When you get your associate's degree you can go to a decent university. You will probably jump into 3rd year coursework so you won't end up losing any time. If you can finish your university coursework with good recommendations, you can do anything you could have done if you'd done well in high school and gone to a good college to begin with.
The one lasting effect of this may be that you'll end up learning an important lesson about consequences and developing a psychological resilience and a knack for overcoming real adversity which will ultimately make you happier and more successful in life  .
On November 03 2007 12:39 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
Well, i had one of the most depressing chats the other day in school. I was heading to math on halloween, and as soon as i enter the classroom i got pulled out, The lady who asks what you want to do in the future and all these other questiosn wants to talk to me. She also tells you your GPA and all your test scores and all that shit.
So we go into her office, and i know my GPA is oging to be low, i figure it's like 1.5 or something. The shock to me is she tells me my GPA is a miserable .586 or somethign mentally retarded like that. At this point i'm thinking how retarded this lady must think i actually am. I then laughed it off and said "Well, i guess i'm going to RCC." Rockland Community College. Anyway she goes "Yes, but i don't think you should be going there." God i'm telling tihs very randomly so far, i will try to keep it more organized from here on out.
After she tells me my GPA i tell her how dumb she must think i am, at that point she says how she doens't think i am dumb, and pulls out my IQ scores from 2 years ago. She told me according to my GPA, i barely have a pulse, but according to my IQ tests i should be attending MIT. It was a compliment and a slap in the face all at the same time, So she asks what i have been doing for the last few years, Well to sum it up, i have had literally no motivatin whatsoever, and i pretty much tell her that, what's there to look forward to after highschool and college? I live of mediocrity and a job i don't like? The fun is gone. She told me that that wans't necessarily the case and started asking me about my aspiration for a career, what i particualrly wanted to do. I told her that i was interested in a job that would allow me to travel around a lot, becuase i have no desire to stay in one place for an extended period of time, i don't mean travel around the country, i want to see the world. And at some point i hope i will. Then i elaborated syaing i either watned to design video games or something relating to history, Archaeoligist came to mind, i would get to travel and see the world, and view things most people never will.
But at this point during our chat it seems like an unrealistic dream. This year of highschool i finally stepped up and am going and doing everything i should be doing, i have a girlfriend who actually makes me have to go to school, she depends on me driving her, and no matter how much of a failure i am i will never bring someone down with me. Therefore since i drive her every morning, i'm awake every morning, ready every morning, and going to school every morning. But even with all A+ this year, which is easy enough my GPA still won't be hihg enough to go anywehre besides RCC, which i confessed i had no desire whatsoever to go to under any circumstance, considering it doens't support any of the majors i am interested in.
She tells me that theres more then one way to get into a college, and GPA is one of them. She told me that i have to sell myself in other ways besides my GPA, tell them about everything, how i had no motivation until recently, then that alone will not help, i need to show them something, basically she susgested i create some sort of game, or have soemthing to show colleges besides a my grade list. I was laboring under the delusion that Incompletes didn't count as anything twoards your grade, and just disappeared. I don't remmeber why i thought that, but it turns out they count as F's and my summer school grades, i have no idea what they count as.
So in short, now that i'm finished with this somwhat blogish thing, i would of posted it as a blog, but i desperately need help and a blog woldn't get enough attention.
I need TL to help me find good websites and places to learn how to use Flash, or other programs to design video games, and anyone who is willing to help me learn it's most apprecaited, what happens involving tihs over the next 2 years will most likely determine the rest of my life. For better, or for worse. So i ask the most useful knowledgable place that i know of, that's right, i come to TL for all the help i need, i confess and ask for help to virtually no one, when the lady asks who knows me best and who knows what i want to do in the future, i could honeslty say no one did, I never really talked about it at all. Until now, now i am using all help available to me and do everything in my power to assure myself that in the next 10 years, i can look back and say "Wow, i came so close to ruining myself, but i threw it all together." Rather then living with my parents, or dead, or in the army, or whatever i end up doing. So TL, now that i view my archaeology career, since theres nothing i can present to a college that i can tihnk of to involve that, so by not doing good in school, i limtied my options. So TL, can you help me save my life?
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I don't know if you said this OP but you're a junior (third year) in high school right now right?
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good luck at community college. make a better effort there and you've got a shot
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How do u get a GPA as low as 0.5. Is that the GPA for mentally retarded students? You should finish in highschool, go to cc and get a high GPA of 4.0 then be accepted in a good university.
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Looks like some people here havnt experienced having no motivation. If you dont see any point in anything you do then it get a lot harder. Its not that people like that are losers or dont want to have motivation. Ive been through some periods in my life when I felt like that. Id rather just lie in bed all day sick than go to school or do homework. If you have never felt like that yourself then dont judge people who have.
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I just wanted to say that probably nothing will come out of impulse decisions, like "aha! I want to be a game designer/archeologist!". Take some time and think about it instead, otherwise it'll just be another half assed attempt. Rash decisions usually turn out bad! Don't promise yourself too much.
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On November 03 2007 21:01 DrainX wrote:
Looks like some people here havnt experienced having no motivation. If you dont see any point in anything you do then it get a lot harder. Its not that people like that are losers or dont want to have motivation. Ive been through some periods in my life when I felt like that. Id rather just lie in bed all day sick than go to school or do homework. If you have never felt like that yourself then dont judge people who have. i think a lot of people here have experienced no motivation (TL is the ultimate procrastination tool after all), and whether they have or not, there is no miracle advice for his case, he plain and simply screwed himself over by getting a .5 gpa. people aren't being any more brutally honest than college admissions departments are going to be
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Why do there have to be so many dicks on the internet? Why can't you guys go be assholes to people who can actually punch you in the face?
More on-topic, you're a junior? You've still got 2 years of high school? It's really not as drastic as everyone else here says. If you get a 4.0 for the rest of your high school career, even if your cumulative GPA is still going to be shit, you can point to the past two years and go on the strength of that alone. A lot of colleges (particularly smaller ones who give more personal attention) will be willing to forgive what happened when you were 14 or 15, and will care a lot more that in recent years, you picked yourself up. In fact they may even be impressed by your 180 degree turnaround.
Anyway, it's never too late to start excelling.
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If you just want to make a small rpg scroller or something, there's XNA Game Studio Express (free). There are tutorials and examples to be found with google. The games you make can both be played on windows and 360.
But unlike me, these guys know what they are talking about: Gamasutra
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On November 03 2007 16:32 lil.sis wrote:
by the way you have no chance at a great school like berkeley or MIT
the people that get into those schools have been excelling from day 1
actually the people that get rejected from those schools have been excelling from day 1
edit: if you are truly as smart as you say you are then just embrace your fate, go to CC and make good grades (it should be ridiculously easy to do this. you can probably train a parrot to make straight A's in CC). If you 4 at CC then you can transfer into a decent state school (probably not the best). that's the best way to show real schools you've cleaned up your act
you guys must have shitty community colleges where you live
Our Math Department is easily >>>>>>>>> Michigan States here at Lansing Community College.
(at least up until DFQ and Linear Algebra, I dont think they offer anything after that)
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On November 03 2007 22:24 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2007 16:32 lil.sis wrote:
by the way you have no chance at a great school like berkeley or MIT
the people that get into those schools have been excelling from day 1
actually the people that get rejected from those schools have been excelling from day 1
edit: if you are truly as smart as you say you are then just embrace your fate, go to CC and make good grades (it should be ridiculously easy to do this. you can probably train a parrot to make straight A's in CC). If you 4 at CC then you can transfer into a decent state school (probably not the best). that's the best way to show real schools you've cleaned up your act you guys must have shitty community colleges where you live Our Math Department is easily >>>>>>>>> Michigan States here at Lansing Community College. (at least up until DFQ and Linear Algebra, I dont think they offer anything after that)
If the OP is as smart as he says he is, Lin Alg and Diff Eqns will be a joke almost anywhere. Those aren't exactly the kinds of courses where the leading mathematical talents of the next generation reveal themselves
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I missed 70% of one of my courses at A level last year (17-18 year old) but aced the exams so I got the grades I needed. My advice, move to England.
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your iq score states you should go to MIT rofl
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there is no fucking way a normal human being can get a GPA below 1.00.
Seriously, the best you can do is start over with a CC get a 4.00 GPA (cus your IQ is borderline genius so np) and get into a nice state college.
ps did the counselor say your IQ is so high that you should be attending MIT? lmao, that's so ridiculous and stupid of her.
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Night school and correspndance. Get upgrades. If your guidance councellor told you to learn to design a video game to get into college then she is a fucking idiot and should be fired. You fucked yourself and should of been expelled from school. What did you think was going to happen? How are you even going to graduate with a 0.5? Isn't that fail? Shouldn't you be repeating highschool until your GPA is that of a passing one?
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Transfer to a community college, get a 4.0 GPA, and transfer out. By far your best choice as of right now.
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On November 04 2007 01:04 MiniRoman wrote:
Night school and correspndance. Get upgrades. If your guidance councellor told you to learn to design a video game to get into college then she is a fucking idiot and should be fired. You fucked yourself and should of been expelled from school. What did you think was going to happen? How are you even going to graduate with a 0.5? Isn't that fail? Shouldn't you be repeating highschool until your GPA is that of a passing one?
I was wondering about that as well. Also WTF were your parents doing when they got your report card and saw you were failing for your first two years of high school?
Edit: Everyone who is blaming him is being a bit unrealistic based on his age although it is partly his fault the school/his parents should have done something about this well before now.
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lawl great school like barklee. BARKLEE NUMBA 1 >> MIT Stanfurd Yell Dook Pton
Honestly, most schools place a huge emphasis on two things: GPA and SAT. If you don't meet the cut for those, then your chances of getting in are a lot lower. Cal has an average incoming GPA of 4.3, and the only way you'll get in is if you can possibly kick Marshawn Lynch in football.
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On November 04 2007 01:04 MiniRoman wrote:
\How are you even going to graduate with a 0.5? Isn't that fail?
Best quote ever.
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On November 03 2007 22:24 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2007 16:32 lil.sis wrote:
by the way you have no chance at a great school like berkeley or MIT
the people that get into those schools have been excelling from day 1
actually the people that get rejected from those schools have been excelling from day 1
edit: if you are truly as smart as you say you are then just embrace your fate, go to CC and make good grades (it should be ridiculously easy to do this. you can probably train a parrot to make straight A's in CC). If you 4 at CC then you can transfer into a decent state school (probably not the best). that's the best way to show real schools you've cleaned up your act you guys must have shitty community colleges where you live Our Math Department is easily >>>>>>>>> Michigan States here at Lansing Community College. (at least up until DFQ and Linear Algebra, I dont think they offer anything after that)
fyi, there are two community colleges in my hometown. one of them is the top cc in the US. the other has a guaranteed 100% entrance into UCLA transfer if you maintain above a 3.9 (which is fucking easy)
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NOTE: This is insanely long and I actually spent some time writing and thinking about this. Please save it somewhere so you can refer to it later, so that my effort doesn't go to waste, and so that you can maintain your focus in the future. It's worth reading, in my opinion, and worth considering, so don't feel like you have to read it all at once - save it and read it when you have time. I have written a LOT of things you have to do, so get ready for a large workload. But, don't forget, in the end it is all worth the joy and prosperity of having the job and life you want. I didn't speak about your specific profession much because that's YOUR job to find out about.
Thanks and good luck in the future.
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Like Decaf said in his first response, you're fucked. Considering you have a .586 (right?) as of the first 3 years of school, even if you get a 4.0 on the 4th year it will only bring you up to 1.440 (rounded), and even then you have barely enough to go anywhere but community college. I'm not trying to discourage you, I'm just giving you the facts.
Now, the question is, what should you do to remedy the situation? You need to take back your life, after all. Take a lot of time to make your KNOWLEDGE catch up to the INTELLIGENCE (IQ) you claim to have. Even if your major is not offered at a community college, find out all relevant courses and take those to better prepare yourself for the future:
Let's say you want to be an engineer, but there are no engineering courses. This means you have to take mathematics and mechanical physics in the community college, which I'm sure are offered there.
Let's say you want to be a scientist. Study biology or chemistry or whatever is most relevant to your major in community college.
So on and so forth. You must get amazing grades at CC and then use the scores and the fact that you have a concrete goal in your life (and thus the basic courses that push you towards your major) to transfer into a better college where your major is available.
This obviously won't be easy. You have to start working as of now. This is the first good step towards you ultimate goal - finding out and planning what to do. The first thing you have to realize because of all these topics is the only person who can do your work for you and help you the most is only yourself. We here on TL.net might give you a few links or tips, but it is YOU that has to do all the work. So far I have seen Bill and others give some great advice (also seen some shitty posts, but ignore the haters [: ). Here is what I would do:
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1. Research within the next week what courses are offered in the community college that lead to your major. Research what knowledge you will be attaining in those classes, what the requirements are to take them, so on and so forth.
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2. See what you can do to get into, or prepare yourself for those courses. Chances are you will be eligible anyways, but it is extremely helpful to prepare yourself for them anyways. Even though the difficulty of the courses will probably not be too great, you must realize how much you have missed over the past years of high school. Like I said, catch your KNOWLEDGE up to your INTELLIGENCE. One without the other is useless. Go to the library often, find books on the subjects relevant to your job, and STUDY. Study the basics until you've mastered them, and then move on to harder things. Back to my engineer example - you would need to review something along the lines of Algebra -> Geometry -> Trigonometry, and maybe more. Don't think that just because the course will be offered in college that you should just wait until then - PREPARE yourself so you can ace it easier, understand it easier, and have more FOCUS on the path ahead once you are in college. Think subjectively: "What would a [your major here] need to do their job? What topics must I learn to achieve these skills?"
Simply put: WORK. YOUR. ASS. OFF.
On top of this, it might help to just read literature that is unrelated to your topic. A person who is worldly and well-read is respected in any social setting, and has a better understanding of life. They are interesting to talk to and you want to keep them around, whether it be as a friend or employee. It's not mandatory, but I find it helpful. Ask some friends that you respect intellectually about what kinds of books they like, or look here for a few great examples.
But don't forget, you're doing this for yourself, so don't work so much that you see it as a punishment. Work at a self-conscious rate. Work with honesty to yourself and your goal. Give yourself rewards for things you've done well. Do practice problems in the books (if possible) to see what specifically you need to work on and then work on it.
Be sure to give yourself some free time too though, because if you are miserable from the workload you will get depressed and not want to work anymore. Give yourself time with friends, family, and your new girlfriend. But you must always always always reserve time to study over everything else.
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3. Step 2 was studying for the future. But do you think that's enough? No. You have to also do amazing at school this year to show to the school and most importantly YOURSELF that this is serious, that you have changed, that you have a PURPOSE in your life and will do anything to achieve it.
To show this, you have to of course keep up in the courses you have now. This means not only doing great on tests and examinations, but also STUDY, do HOMEWORK, and show enthusiasm in class. You want to get the teachers to like you, and then you can get mass letters of recommendation for your future. If you make the impression that you LOVE to learn, eventually you will in fact love to learn in earnest, and that is the purpose of school. Teachers who see students who love to learn love those students, and write good things about them and will actually TRY to get you where you want to go in the future. Teachers are experienced in general and can give tremendous help and advice. Be GREAT for your teachers.
Don't misunderstand me - don't be that annoying faggot kid who sucks the treacher's clit at every opportunity. What I mean is do your work, answer a few questions a day when they ask them, don't interrupt or be rude to them, come after school if you need extra help, and ask questions when you don't understand. Those are the golden rules.
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4. Work hard on your college-related matters. What does this mean? Like many have already said, it means letters of recommendation, talking to your counselor about ANY and EVERY option you have to accelerate the whole process and enhance your chances of getting to your GOAL.
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5. Research the actual jobs available for your major. This is important so that you can have a grasp on exactly WHAT you will be doing with that degree we all know you will get from that good college after community college. Research what is expected of those with that profession. Maybe even ask around to see where you can see first-hand what these people do. If you want to be a car mechanic, for example, you can almost always call a car workshop and just ask to have an interview or something like that. Some people in my school have done this for their respective majors, and they say that they got an enormous amount of knowledge about what the job entails. Many of them loved their choice of profession even more, and some realized they needed to change their choices. In any case, it will be great to see first-hand the things you will be doing with your life, and it will definitely give you a new perspective on things.
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That is what I came up with in around 30 minutes off the top of my head, but there may be more things. Feel free to PM me with any comments or question, or just respond on here.
Most importantly:
KEEP YOUR CHIN UP AND GOOD LUCK ;D
To get yourself together and be ready to ACHIEVE: this is the best decision you have ever made in your life, I promise.
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IF you ace the next two years, I don't think you have to go to community college. You won't go to a top institution, but you will be able to get into decent state schools or even lower reputation privates.
Everyone LOVES a person who turns things around. Get the marks to turn things around, and develop other stuffs, and you should do ok.
PS: To help attendance, start riding MORE people to school. I mean, what if you and your gf break up? Well it is right back to bad attendance. So offer rides to people who you know take school seriously.
Also this counselor lady seems to have taken an interest in you, so use that to your advantage. I dunno make a bet with her, and every day that you miss you have to give her $5. And every 'A' on your report card is 20 from her. This will motivate her to at least check the rolls for you every day, and give you a hard time when you miss.
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AND do not, under ANY circumstances click this link if you want to ever study again.
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On November 04 2007 01:17 davidgurt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2007 01:04 MiniRoman wrote:
\How are you even going to graduate with a 0.5? Isn't that fail? Best quote ever.
I'm serious. In Canada you would have to repeat the classes you failed until you could take the next level courses. IE his ass should be in grade 9 still. It's diff in America?
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It's same in USA where I live. Not sure 'bout him.
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im a little lost as to how you could be a senior with .5.....
go to cc and ace that shit. do awesome on your sat's and pray youre a lot better in terms of your gpa in two years. and stop fucking cutting class
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What great early morning ready, thanks for everyone who stayed positive, and those who were necessarily negative. Thanks for not crushing any dreams too much and giving me hope, on monday i'm going to switch into some more classes, get rid of my 5 study halls and hopfully fill it with something more useful, and look some more stuff up, and i read it all fantascist, first or second biggest post here, and undoubtably one of the more useful, with the advice from people like you, bill, i beleive charlie also posted something useful, and anyone else i actually forgot, well point is i know some of what i have to do now, and i guess i will figure more out as shit goes on.
I'm going to go make my dumb mom buy me some books, transfer into classes, and not be so retarded about most things. And by the way, i have read EVERYTHING in this thread, i haven't missed a word, so when you post something you know i'm going to read it.
And the lady said my IQ is equal to or higher then the average MIT stupid, and i should be going to a good school. Not a community college, but i don't really care. I will do what i need to do, if i need to go to a CC for a few years and up my GPA, thats just what i will have to do, if i can get itno a better school, which is doubtufl unless i slam SAT's and step up at every aspect of life, which i will undoubtably try to do, and i think i can. I'm going to start playing baseball aswel, which should look good. Volunteering and joining groups too, but i need to make sure i have time for the necessary things in life, like friends, because having no friends is what led me to that state of mind where i had no motivation and no goal to do anything, and that inevitably my life would end up boring and mundane, and the worst of all repetitive I cannot stand anything with a repetitive nature, working 9-5 in a desktop would kill me.
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Lot of jealous people here. You say you have 5 hours of spare time a day, you're going to get straight A's from here on out. I say use those 5 hours a day at a job or internship, or if not, sitting in on university classes/doing the work for them (ones that truly motivate you, will still be worth the time at this point). Building up your resume and finding which college courses will truly get you somewhere would be great uses of that time. It doesn't have to be the school you're going to go to, but don't rule out CC. There are good professors everywhere if you're daring enough to get your feet wet.
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I don't really cut class, anymore, when i used to go to school with my shitty attendence of 70%+ attendence i used to cut even when i was there, i no longer do shit like that. and i'm a Junior with .5
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
start doing alot of community service too, will look good
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Seriously wouldn't it be easier to just retake the classes in highschool that are fucking your GPA, possibly graduate a year late and go straight into a school that you are happy with? Two years of community college seems like a bad idea when you -should- be able to fix the highschool problem. And once again how will you graduate with a .5?
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you have 5 study hall periods and you were bragging about finishing your homework in an hour and having 5 free hours every night?
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In all honesty: therapy. Get your shit straight. If you never go to school, something else is going on that needs to be fixed.
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On November 04 2007 01:49 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:What great early morning ready, thanks for everyone who stayed positive, and those who were necessarily negative. Thanks for not crushing any dreams too much and giving me hope, on monday i'm going to switch into some more classes, get rid of my 5 study halls and hopfully fill it with something more useful, and look some more stuff up, and i read it all fantascist, first or second biggest post here, and undoubtably one of the more useful, with the advice from people like you, bill, i beleive charlie also posted something useful, and anyone else i actually forgot, well point is i know some of what i have to do now, and i guess i will figure more out as shit goes on. I'm going to go make my dumb mom buy me some books, transfer into classes, and not be so retarded about most things. And by the way, i have read EVERYTHING in this thread, i haven't missed a word, so when you post something you know i'm going to read it. And the lady said my IQ is equal to or higher then the average MIT stupid, and i should be going to a good school. Not a community college, but i don't really care. I will do what i need to do, if i need to go to a CC for a few years and up my GPA, thats just what i will have to do, if i can get itno a better school, which is doubtufl unless i slam SAT's and step up at every aspect of life, which i will undoubtably try to do, and i think i can. I'm going to start playing baseball aswel, which should look good. Volunteering and joining groups too, but i need to make sure i have time for the necessary things in life, like friends, because having no friends is what led me to that state of mind where i had no motivation and no goal to do anything, and that inevitably my life would end up boring and mundane, and the worst of all repetitive I cannot stand anything with a repetitive nature, working 9-5 in a desktop would kill me.
Good plan, it's obvious you are serious about this. And thus you will do well [:
Remember, fuck the haters. There seem to be many of them here who just feel good because they don't have a .586 GPA.
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Beyonder
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As I wrote in my blog: work work work work. I had to work hard for a long time, but now I'm 23 and now I'm studying Psychology at the best University possible for it here.
Set goals, work hard, achieve goals, set new goals. If you really choose to change your ways, do it for yourself. Don't do it because your girlfriend needs a ride. Do it because you truly want it; don't depend on anyone else.
Good luck son. It's a good first step to set up a plan, but realise that the hard part is yet to come. Consider it a challenge. You're Frodo, and that ring needs to go.
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Okay, since you're fucked in GPA, but it sounds like you're smart you can try winning lots of big competitions to get you in.
like getting far in the AMC12 math stuff and maybe USAMTS also!
the Fed Challenge for Econ!
become a Finalist in the Intel Competition!
if you rape these, it won't matter how low your GPA is.
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On November 04 2007 02:13 bine wrote:
In all honesty: therapy. Get your shit straight. If you never go to school, something else is going on that needs to be fixed.
Not every slacker is a psychopath or retard that needs therapy. Not every slacker has been abused or has alcholic parents, either. I think trying again with a new resolve and outlook may be all the therapy he needs. If not, then there might be need for extra help.
I feel people nowadays rely too much on doctors and medicine when the fault lies within their reach. If they can solve it by themselves with their own will power, seeking help will only make them weaker in the future when they face other problems. Asking for tips is okay, getting someone to help you as if you are diseased is not. Just my opinion.
I think if he maintains the state of mind he has now he is far from ever needing a therapist.
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Beyonder
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Great thread btw. Good to ask for advice. Maybe you can keep speaking to this woman also? Can't hurt to have someone to talk to and ask advise occassionally.
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On November 04 2007 02:17 geometryb wrote:
Okay, since you're fucked in GPA, but it sounds like you're smart you can try winning lots of big competitions to get you in.
like getting far in the AMC12 math stuff and maybe USAMTS also!
the Fed Challenge for Econ!
become a Finalist in the Intel Competition!
if you rape these, it won't matter how low your GPA is.
AMC12 and USAMTS are both pretty challenging math competitions, for anyone who doesn't know.
The AMC12 is a test for anyone under the 12th grade level. I believe if you get 100 points (out of 150) or higher as a Junior you pass it and can go into subsequent rounds (but just passing it is credit enough in terms of college). That's what I did last year, and I made it past the first 2 rounds but that's about it. It's very good for college from what I hear.
The USAMTS is a competition that is posted online which consists of 5 questions that you mail-in by a certain date. Every month a new set is put up, if I remember correctly. At the end of the sets, your total score determines whether or not you get some sort of certificate which shows your achievements there. I did this for a few years too. It's also good for college. The good thing about this one is you can get help ;D
Both of these are pretty difficult, but if you have a good mind for math, you should give these a try. Don't kill yourself over them though, they are just some of the possibilities.
However, I disagree with the last statement - amazing SAT scores and extra-curricular exams don't make up for a .586 in any way. Your college essay is probably the only thing that can hurt you as much as a low GPA, but keep in mind that it can also significantly help you. So write a good essay when the time comes and have every good teacher you know proof-read it for you n_n.
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I just looked through this topic again real quickly and I haven't noticed anyone mention AP classes. If you can take these and get 4s+5s on the exam that will show schools that you are capable of doing well on college level courses. Not to mention at most schools these get weighted higher than other class for GPA so you might be able to boost that a bit more with those types of classes.
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On November 04 2007 01:37 MiniRoman wrote:
I'm serious. In Canada you would have to repeat the classes you failed until you could take the next level courses. IE his ass should be in grade 9 still. It's diff in America?
I guess this why so many people on Slashdot complain about American high schools letting everyone pass instead of holding some students back =/.
In Ontario, at least when I graduated, universities looked at the grades from only your last 1 or 2 years of high school.
I think it's silly that your grades from your first 2 years of high school can have so much weight against your college prospects. I mean, it's not like some magical maturity switch in your head is turned on when you enter grade 9. I'd like to think that most colleges will not care about your low cumulative GPA if you get top marks in everything from here on. Hopefully the people saying that here are right =/.
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On November 04 2007 02:38 bburn wrote:
I just looked through this topic again real quickly and I haven't noticed anyone mention AP classes. If you can take these and get 4s+5s on the exam that will show schools that you are capable of doing well on college level courses. Not to mention at most schools these get weighted higher than other class for GPA so you might be able to boost that a bit more with those types of classes.
APs are great, but they tend to have a high workload. I took a LOT of AP courses, and in general they hurt my GPA because the workload was so great. Although I got mostly 5's and I think one 4, the workload sucked my life out and my ambition (as well as killing my GPA to a 3.6, relatively low to other AP students).
Also, most AP courses you can't just get into without being in honors or having good grades previously, so it may not be an option for this year. AP courses may be something you can look into next year, MonkeySpanker. Computer Science is one of them I believe, so you should think about taking that next year n_n.
Something you can look into is the SAT II subject tests. Those are 1 hour tests about a single topic, and they are necessary for some of the greater colleges in the nation, but of course they help you in the future when you want to transfer. This way you won't have to worry about them later. I'd take 2-3 if you're very serious about getting into a college that requires them (Ivy Leagues and colleges like NYU require them, for example). If not, you can just consider it as a boost that will take some effort n_n. It's by no means necessary for most colleges, but it's just one of the things you can talk to counselors and teachers about. There are many subjects, and some of them are very easy if you took certain courses.
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On November 04 2007 02:18 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2007 02:13 bine wrote:
In all honesty: therapy. Get your shit straight. If you never go to school, something else is going on that needs to be fixed. Not every slacker is a psychopath or retard that needs therapy. Not every slacker has been abused or has alcholic parents, either. I think trying again with a new resolve and outlook may be all the therapy he needs. If not, then there might be need for extra help. I feel people nowadays rely too much on doctors and medicine when the fault lies within their reach. If they can solve it by themselves with their own will power, seeking help will only make them weaker in the future when they face other problems. Asking for tips is okay, getting someone to help you as if you are diseased is not. Just my opinion. I think if he maintains the state of mind he has now he is far from ever needing a therapist.
I think you (and a lot of other people) are extremely confused about when therapy is and isn't appropriate. It's my earnest hope that you don't really think that every person who needs therapy "is a psychopath or retard [...] has been abused or has alcholic [sic] parents [...] diseased" etc. Lots of incredibly smart, stable, high performing people go to therapy for a ton of reasons.
If we believe what the poster is saying, he's clearly very smart but has been performing in basically the worst bracket possible and has been skipping more school than he's been attending. If you really think that this is a problem with his motivation, that he's just a "slacker," then I guess I don't know what to say. It's of course entirely possible that he's undergone some drastic change himself and will finish school with a spotless record, but I question the usefulness of the advice he's getting here. Chances are, he knows that going to a great graduate school is a good idea. But I expect that there's some other reason why he hasn't been going to school, and I also expect that a therapist could be really helpful in figuring out what is keeping him from doing the things he wants to do.
Also, even if you do retain your regressive ideas about therapy, I urge you to keep them to yourself. Prejudicial statements about therapy often keep people who need it from seeking it out, or make it difficult for them to ask for it. If you convince people that only crazy or mentally handicapped (what the fuck?) people go to therapy, then obviously they will resist seeking it out for fear that it means that they too are crazy.
It has nothing to do with an over-reliance on doctors. Therapists are just helpful, for almost anything. It's a way to figure things out for yourself. I've never been to a therapist, but I'm thinking about it. More than half of people I know go to therapy, and I don't think a single one is psychopathic or retarded.
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On November 04 2007 02:11 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:
you have 5 study hall periods and you were bragging about finishing your homework in an hour and having 5 free hours every night?
5/6 days i have a single study hall. Not 5 periods a day, that would leave 3 periods to take actual classes O_O
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On November 04 2007 02:41 Bill307 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2007 01:37 MiniRoman wrote:
I'm serious. In Canada you would have to repeat the classes you failed until you could take the next level courses. IE his ass should be in grade 9 still. It's diff in America? I guess this why so many people on Slashdot complain about American high schools letting everyone pass instead of holding some students back =/. In Ontario, at least when I graduated, universities looked at the grades from only your last 1 or 2 years of high school. I think it's silly that your grades from your first 2 years of high school can have so much weight against your college prospects. I mean, it's not like some magical maturity switch in your head is turned on when you enter grade 9. I'd like to think that most colleges will not care about your low cumulative GPA if you get top marks in everything from here on. Hopefully the people saying that here are right =/.
They look at your cumulative GPA first, but on the transcript you can see the overall GPA for each year seperately. Many colleges like NYU, their second highest priority tends to be IMPROVEMENT in GPA. I'm not saying that having a .586 doesn't hurt you at all, but an improvement to a 4.0 from a .586 would definitely make them see in you a different way. It's way better to have it be like this:
Grade 9: .586
Grade 10: .586
Grade 11: 3.8
Grade 12: 3.9
Than it is to have this:
Grade 9: 2.6
Grade 10: 2.6
Grade 11: 2.6
Grace 12: 2.6
And infinitely better than this:
Grade 9: 3.5
Grade 10: 3.0
Grade 11: 2.5
Grade 12: 2.0
Although your average GPA is higher in the second and third sets of GPA examples, the IMPROVEMENT in the first GPA outweighs that. So in a sense, you have the same line of thought as many colleges.
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On November 04 2007 02:49 bine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2007 02:18 fanatacist wrote:On November 04 2007 02:13 bine wrote:
In all honesty: therapy. Get your shit straight. If you never go to school, something else is going on that needs to be fixed. Not every slacker is a psychopath or retard that needs therapy. Not every slacker has been abused or has alcholic parents, either. I think trying again with a new resolve and outlook may be all the therapy he needs. If not, then there might be need for extra help. I feel people nowadays rely too much on doctors and medicine when the fault lies within their reach. If they can solve it by themselves with their own will power, seeking help will only make them weaker in the future when they face other problems. Asking for tips is okay, getting someone to help you as if you are diseased is not. Just my opinion. I think if he maintains the state of mind he has now he is far from ever needing a therapist. I think you (and a lot of other people) are extremely confused about when therapy is and isn't appropriate. It's my earnest hope that you don't really think that every person who needs therapy "is a psychopath or retard [...] has been abused or has alcholic [sic] parents [...] diseased" etc. Lots of incredibly smart, stable, high performing people go to therapy for a ton of reasons. If we believe what the poster is saying, he's clearly very smart but has been performing in basically the worst bracket possible and has been skipping more school than he's been attending. If you really think that this is a problem with his motivation, that he's just a "slacker," then I guess I don't know what to say. It's of course entirely possible that he's undergone some drastic change himself and will finish school with a spotless record, but I question the usefulness of the advice he's getting here. Chances are, he knows that going to a great graduate school is a good idea. But I expect that there's some other reason why he hasn't been going to school, and I also expect that a therapist could be really helpful in figuring out what is keeping him from doing the things he wants to do. Also, even if you do retain your regressive ideas about therapy, I urge you to keep them to yourself. Prejudicial statements about therapy often keep people who need it from seeking it out, or make it difficult for them to ask for it. If you convince people that only crazy or mentally handicapped (what the fuck?) people go to therapy, then obviously they will resist seeking it out for fear that it means that they too are crazy. It has nothing to do with an over-reliance on doctors. Therapists are just helpful, for almost anything. It's a way to figure things out for yourself. I've never been to a therapist, but I'm thinking about it. More than half of people I know go to therapy, and I don't think a single one is psychopathic or retarded.
I never said ALL people that get therapy are retards or psychopaths. In fact I am looking into therapeutic psychology myself, if I get my shit together and go to college. I had wrongly assumed you were in the same group as others in this thread who have posted negative things out of ignorance - I assumed YOU meant that he needed serious professional help for some kind of mental deficiency on his part when you suggested therapy. Just as you misunderstood my inclinations and knowledge of therapy, I mistook yours.
I never intended to send the message to ALL people who feel they need therapy to suck it up and fix themselves. I was going on the thought that he came to a point of self-realization, which is evidenced by his post asking for assistance. Of course he could similar help from a therapist, but what I do believe is that if he is in the state of mind to ask for help and has the resolve to make changes on his own, he doesn't need the help that many others may have in this case. I also know people who have been to therapists and psychologist of sorts, and I take into account what they told me. But I think that in some cases, especially in terms of personal motivation, there is no better therapist than yourself. Sometimes you may need external help to get yourself on the right path or to strengthen your resolve, but this is not the case here. He has stated that he lacked confidence because he had no friends and other problems, seemingly all of which have been remedied sufficiently to this point for him to change his mind.
If you have any further doubts, retorts, comments, etc. please PM me so we don't clutter up this topic.
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Also i spent more of my life in a therapists office then i could ever need, for absolutely no reason, i remember going in there and palying with star wars action figures, he gave me some pills, then my mom talked to him about shit that was bothering her, wheither it had to do with me or not i'm unsure, but it didn't do anything and wasted i beleive 100/200$ an hour, I told my parents to fuck off about 3 years ago, that they are useless pretty much adn that i don't need pills and i'm not going to take this shit that fucks with my head just so i can stay in there house (Yes, they said if i don't take the medicine i was going to get kicked out) I have absolutely no respect for my parents whatsoever, and combined with a variety of other things led to this scenario, sure it was avoidable.
Now it's time to play catch up and make my mom do something besides sit on her ass. For the last 5 years all i have heard from her mouth is the most absolutely negative shit ever, about how useless i am, about how much of a failure i'm giogn to be, how my sister is so great, how everything my younger brother does is my fault, and how most important, my mom graduated highschool and went to college, which got her where? For the last 20 years she hasn't worked. Congrats mom, you majored in accounting, possibly one of the easiest things in the world. Please continue holding that over my head. The constant reminder of how much of a failure i was, no matter how much i told myself how much her opinion and what she said didn't effect me, it did. And even after i confronted her about being a bitch, she stopped for a week then started again. At that point i stopped caring what she thought completely, i regard her from then and until this day as a nuisance in my life, something that only holds me back.
I'm sure i wasn't the easiest kid in the world, i won't pretend i didn't have any problems, i was fucked up for many years, but i never once started abusing drugs or alcohol or anything, yet was constantly reminded of how bad of a child i was. Solution: Pills. My education was a joke from K-9 I was in retard schools basically, for children with emotional problems, after 5th grade i was fine, i outgrew most of what was wrong with me, yet for some reason my parents didn't think so and kept me in these schools as an outcat for the next 4 years, Fucking my first year of highschool which i ended up repeating, my second year passed with D's with an absent rate of over 50% 3rd year, was kicked out itno a different school, which proceeded to screw me even more, considering it had the worst enviroment for my personality type, do the minimum, pass, go on to work at mcdonalds, after wasting a year there, half of my 3rd year of highschool and, half of my 4th, i finally got back to the public highschool, where i proceeded to have no grades for the first 2 quarters of the year, or very little, which i was saying the entire time how i would go back three and do my shit, but i was put back way too late, and was fucked for rest of that year, nothing short of strait A's for rest of hte year would of gotten me to pass wiht a D, so my attendence continued to slip and i failed, which ends me up here, in the begining of my junior year once again. So yeah, 5 years, and here i am. I'm 17 btw.
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On November 04 2007 03:08 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
Also i spent more of my life in a therapists office then i could ever need, for absolutely no reason, i remember going in there and palying with star wars action figures, he gave me some pills, then
You might want to give this book a read, and have your mother do the same. It's written by a psychologist who studies male underachievers who has a lot to say about people in your situation.
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....so what's your prediction for this guy's life?
prediction?
PAIN!
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On November 04 2007 03:27 starcraftII wrote:
....so what's your prediction for this guy's life?
prediction?
PAIN!
 
I think it's great that you managed to get out of a situation like that to the point where you are ready to take your life into your own hands, despite the odds. Many people would have just continued the path of the failure and would have ended up with dead-end jobs and lives. Ignore faggots like the person I quoted :/. Even if it's some sort of movie reference or something, it's still out of line.
If anything, writing about your difficulties and your will power that overcame them is a great topic for a college essay. Colleges want to hear about your personality and who you are, as well as why you want to go to college. This does both, and it does it well. Just a thought for the future n_n.
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i wouldn't call your mom a retard for majoring in accounting when you have a 0.5 GPA.
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Honestly, the point of GPA is to show that you are reliable and submissive to society and the workload it puts on you. Any gap in this is going to be really hard to truly make up for. Unless you can show hardship like you had no parents or had to work two jobs to feed your starving 3 year olds, employers and universities are going to view someone who ever got grades like that, as a kind of a risk, a loose cannon. If you get straight A's for a couple years that helps, but god that sucks too.
Fortunately there are other ways to be a worthwhile human being than to prove your reliability as a an anvil to be hit with a hammer day in and day out for years. You are really smart, so find careers that only care about whether you pass this or that test. Maybe you can study for AP tests and take them w/o even taking the class. Pass those tests, get a work history, pretty soon you're an "adult" and colleges will look at you fresh. Might be better than trying to get "back on track."
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On November 04 2007 02:41 Bill307 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2007 01:37 MiniRoman wrote:
I'm serious. In Canada you would have to repeat the classes you failed until you could take the next level courses. IE his ass should be in grade 9 still. It's diff in America? I guess this why so many people on Slashdot complain about American high schools letting everyone pass instead of holding some students back =/. In Ontario, at least when I graduated, universities looked at the grades from only your last 1 or 2 years of high school. I think it's silly that your grades from your first 2 years of high school can have so much weight against your college prospects. I mean, it's not like some magical maturity switch in your head is turned on when you enter grade 9. I'd like to think that most colleges will not care about your low cumulative GPA if you get top marks in everything from here on. Hopefully the people saying that here are right =/.
Ya I'm in Ontario. In grades 9 and 10 you take either A (academic) or P (applied) level courses. Then in 11 and 12 it turns into Univeristy and College level courses with some M (open) ones. If you apply for University you send your 6 highest U course levels (unless there is a prerequiste then that gets included no matter what) and for college you send your C ones. BAM! EZZZ
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Sorry if this is off-topic, but Fanatcist you post alot of solid reassurance. I remember you said you go to MIT. You were able to get in with 3.6?
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On November 04 2007 04:20 kdog3683 wrote:
Sorry if this is off-topic, but Fanatcist you post alot of solid reassurance. I remember you said you go to MIT. You were able to get in with 3.6?
Er, no. This is not me. I never said I go to MIT.
EDIT: However, I know someone who got accepted with something like a 3.7/3.8 and bare minimum SAT scores because of the MASSIVE amounts of extra-curriculars, sports, and community service he did. He got in over someone with 2300 SAT and better than 4.0 GPA.
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On November 04 2007 02:52 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2007 02:11 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:
you have 5 study hall periods and you were bragging about finishing your homework in an hour and having 5 free hours every night? 5/6 days i have a single study hall. Not 5 periods a day, that would leave 3 periods to take actual classes O_O
sorry, misunderstanding =p.
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Go do well in school.
go to a good college (or fast CC into a new Expo(college))
get a job at blizzard.
play SC all day.
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On November 04 2007 02:38 bburn wrote:
I just looked through this topic again real quickly and I haven't noticed anyone mention AP classes. If you can take these and get 4s+5s on the exam that will show schools that you are capable of doing well on college level courses. Not to mention at most schools these get weighted higher than other class for GPA so you might be able to boost that a bit more with those types of classes.
You can't get into AP classes if you're failing remedial or basic level classes
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Just curious because I recall you saying you played football for awhile; how were you ever going to play a game of football with that GPA?
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it just boggles my mind how you with genius IQ can fail high school courses when they are so god damn easy to pass. Somebody so smart couldn't be so stupid to be absent 70% of the time. I think you have emotional problems far beyond just being a slacker.
here take this mensa test and come back with the results
http://mensa.dk/testiq.html
and Physician's test too
http://www.highiqsociety.org/iq_tests/
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
remember, to be special you need at least an IQ over 180. Everyone here is brilliant.
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On November 04 2007 05:28 Rev0lution wrote:it just boggles my mind how you with genius IQ can fail high school courses when they are so god damn easy to pass. Somebody so smart couldn't be so stupid to be absent 70% of the time. I think you have emotional problems far beyond just being a slacker. here take this mensa test and come back with the results http://mensa.dk/testiq.htmland Physician's test too http://www.highiqsociety.org/iq_tests/
There is no reason for you to have to test him. If he scores low you call him a lying idiot, woopee. Aren't you the coolest kid in town? You just have to know whether it's the truth or not!
On November 04 2007 05:30 Beyonder wrote:
remember, to be special you need at least an IQ over 180. Everyone here is brilliant.
QFT.
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Hey, I just thought you might be interested in a school called Full Sail. I'm going there right now and they have one of the best Game Design programs in the world. It's tough as nails but they're VERY lax on requirements to enroll (maybe less so in game design than others, I don't know, I'm not taking it).
It's an expensive school, but if you really want to come here I'm sure you can find a way. Check it out.
www.fullsail.com
If you're really as smart as you're claiming to be (although IQ doesn't really measure your ability to be a programmer) then you should be fine.
Good luck.
As for the psychiatrist, I'm almost certain they get bonuses when they prescribe shit to people, thus all the kids with ADD, etc.
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On November 04 2007 04:57 KOFgokuon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2007 02:38 bburn wrote:
I just looked through this topic again real quickly and I haven't noticed anyone mention AP classes. If you can take these and get 4s+5s on the exam that will show schools that you are capable of doing well on college level courses. Not to mention at most schools these get weighted higher than other class for GPA so you might be able to boost that a bit more with those types of classes. You can't get into AP classes if you're failing remedial or basic level classes
I meant for next year, assuming he finishes strong this year.
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Your lack of intelligence early on (not trying, not going to school, etc) is going to cause you even more hassle to get where you what to go. You're on the right track now repairing your GPA, but it won't get high enough in time. By the time you hit your 3rd or 4th year, it's VERY difficult to raise your gpa significantly. Keep trying, go to community college for a couple years and get straight As (if you don't, this won't work.) After 1 year apply to a different school. If they get you in, go - if they don't do another year of CC. Apply again after your 2nd year of straight As. This time you should easily get into a state school or maybe depending on how well you present yourself - a higher level institution. Finish off your work there.
If you piss away community college like you did high school, you wont' get any more chances. You'll pretty much be stuck living a life you hate because you aren't qualified to perform any jobs you want.
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
get all a's, join some activity in school, appeal when they kick you out.
that's what i did.
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1) get a GED immediately
2) go to CC for 2 years and do well
3) transfer to the school of your choice
Thats basically how it works. I took the ged with a 7th grade education and then went to a CC (and I didn't even have good grades). Now I'm a senior in EE and physics. I don't see how high school helps you prepare for college anyway, just get a GED and go to college. Community colleges are better for the first 2 years anyway , they are easier, cheaper, smaller classes, and you learn more.
Your parents may disagree with this decision, but college is actually easier in a lot of ways, namely you are actually learning things and people around you are more motivated. If you can get your parents to go along with it, I think it would be really good for you.
edit: my first math class in college was elementary algebra I (Math 27). So don't worry about starting low there, it doesn't really mater what level you are at.
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For everyone saying that he can't possibly make something of his life if he doesn't do well in high school (or go to college) is highly mistaken. A large portion of the world's billionaires didn't even finish high school.
Einstein dropped out, he did fine.
Then again you could end up on the street. But that's life, is it not?
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On November 04 2007 08:15 Seanithan wrote:
For everyone saying that he can't possibly make something of his life if he doesn't do well in high school (or go to college) is highly mistaken. A large portion of the world's billionaires didn't even finish high school.
Einstein dropped out, he did fine.
Then again you could end up on the street. But that's life, is it not?
lawl a large portion of the world's billionaires
maybe didn't finish college, but high school? bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
plus einstein may not have finished traditional high school, but he studied all the material on his own and did studying at a tech university in switzerland, so he still had a significant education
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On November 04 2007 08:35 KOFgokuon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2007 08:15 Seanithan wrote:
For everyone saying that he can't possibly make something of his life if he doesn't do well in high school (or go to college) is highly mistaken. A large portion of the world's billionaires didn't even finish high school.
Einstein dropped out, he did fine.
Then again you could end up on the street. But that's life, is it not? lawl a large portion of the world's billionaires maybe didn't finish college, but high school? bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. plus einstein may not have finished traditional high school, but he studied all the material on his own and did studying at a tech university in switzerland, so he still had a significant education
Actually you're right it was bullshit. I mixed up my facts pretty badly. (Thank you for calling me out on that). 18% of the U.S.'s billionaires didn't finish college. 2 of them didn't finish high school. This only accounts for the U.S. though, I don't have numbers for anything else.
(Source: http://www.forbes.com/2000/06/29/feat.html)
As for Einstein, yes he did study on his own. But the fact that he didn't function well in a traditional high school proves that it's based around a very general learning style that doesn't help quite a few (potentially bright) people.
You can't just have knowledge without studying and learning things, but I think that Einstein's ability to think creatively came from him learning things on his own and being able to make his own conclusions.
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On November 04 2007 03:35 yubee wrote:
i wouldn't call your mom a retard for majoring in accounting when you have a 0.5 GPA.
I would. The way she asks is like a wannabe 14 year old who is slowly watching her life slip away. She and her pathetic friends just talk shit about kids all day, and gossip, it's quite irriating, and it seems like her only point in life is to bring me down, until i realize how little she actually ment, which is what i needed to do.
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Monkey, did you take my advice and check out FullSail?
As I said they have low requirements for attendance. At least look into it.
Edit: I just checked, the only requirement for enrolling is a high school diploma. They don't care about GPA.
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On November 04 2007 08:15 Seanithan wrote:
For everyone saying that he can't possibly make something of his life if he doesn't do well in high school (or go to college) is highly mistaken. A large portion of the world's billionaires didn't even finish high school.
Einstein dropped out, he did fine.
Then again you could end up on the street. But that's life, is it not?
Even if 75% of the worlds billionaires didn't finish college, doesn't mean much. Look at the people that drive around in nice cars (because thats probably more attainable).
The point of college is its like an insurance policy or like exercising. Its basically planning for the future. So unless you already have a plan (which is better) you should pretty much go to college. Its true, some people aren't "college-type" of people, but even if you are that type of person, you should still try somewhat. Because if you are both educated and hands-on, you will be highly valuable. If you are just educated, ok, and if you are hands-on, thats good, but both is definitely better.
For example, if you want to join the air force, thats fine. But, if you had a college degree and also went into the air force, thats like 10x better (because 90% of those "hands-on" people won't have one). So unless you are sure of what you want to do in life, just plan on getting a college degree because it will probably help you in whatever you do.
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On November 04 2007 02:18 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2007 02:13 bine wrote:
In all honesty: therapy. Get your shit straight. If you never go to school, something else is going on that needs to be fixed. Not every slacker is a psychopath or retard that needs therapy. Not every slacker has been abused or has alcholic parents, either. I think trying again with a new resolve and outlook may be all the therapy he needs. If not, then there might be need for extra help. I feel people nowadays rely too much on doctors and medicine when the fault lies within their reach. If they can solve it by themselves with their own will power, seeking help will only make them weaker in the future when they face other problems. Asking for tips is okay, getting someone to help you as if you are diseased is not. Just my opinion. I think if he maintains the state of mind he has now he is far from ever needing a therapist.
Fuck you, don't perpetuate this baseless stigma. Seriously, people like you cause others to be afraid to get the help they need.
Some of the smartest people I've known have gone through major depression, and therapy helped them develop better coping mechanisms.
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On November 04 2007 13:43 HeadBangaa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2007 02:18 fanatacist wrote:On November 04 2007 02:13 bine wrote:
In all honesty: therapy. Get your shit straight. If you never go to school, something else is going on that needs to be fixed. Not every slacker is a psychopath or retard that needs therapy. Not every slacker has been abused or has alcholic parents, either. I think trying again with a new resolve and outlook may be all the therapy he needs. If not, then there might be need for extra help. I feel people nowadays rely too much on doctors and medicine when the fault lies within their reach. If they can solve it by themselves with their own will power, seeking help will only make them weaker in the future when they face other problems. Asking for tips is okay, getting someone to help you as if you are diseased is not. Just my opinion. I think if he maintains the state of mind he has now he is far from ever needing a therapist. Fuck you, don't perpetuate this baseless stigma. Seriously, people like you cause others to be afraid to get the help they need. Some of the smartest people I've known have gone through major depression, and therapy helped them develop better coping mechanisms.
Do you not also agree that the need for therapy is because of a basic lack of TRUE human communication in this day and age? Therapy was needed much less in older times because people could actually TALK to their friends about things. Now everyone is just messaging each other and texting and there's a void of any real conversation. (How can you feel comfortable confiding in your friends if all you ever talk about is girls and getting wasted?)
There just seems to be a lack of substance in today's society as a whole, but I could definitely be way off.
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I'm going to add something new that might trigger a new spark into this thread and help but if not, just ignore this. It seems u have some serious issues with ur parents(more specifically ur mom). I don't think she's able to control you and even if she did, and force you to go to school it's very unlikely you would've complied anyway. Hence where I get the idea where she's not able to control you or maybe there's something terribly wrong with u that u won't listen to ur fuking parents.
Stop thinking ur so much better or smarter than them all the time and for once try and listen to what they are saying. They brought u into this world and I know for a fact that they truely care for u even if they seem like an ass or whatever u called her earlier. It's great that you've changed ur life around but also take into consideration ur attitude towards ur parents. I can guarentee it will help u more than not. As long as they aren't abusing you or any other serious offense, what's causing u to dislike ur mom so much that u call her a retard or have almost no respect for her?
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They don't let you retake classes in the U.S.A.? What kind of bullshit is that?
In my experience, nothing anyone posts here will change you. You'll use it to feel better and continue down the same path.
Good luck and I hope you prove me wrong.
Are you the same person your were when you were in 10th grade? I hope not XD In my experience, everyone changes over the years.
OP, I wouldn't be too worried. Figure out where you want to go in life, and then make a plan on how to get there (obviously it's up to you to be realistic, there's no such thing as planning to win the lottery). We live in countries built on second chances; rarely do people get it right the first time.
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Take heart dude, it's not too late at all. Colleges love people who find motivation and do shit with it. So here's what you need to do to succeed.
1) Ignore the make a videogame stuff. Unless you make the next Halo, which is not gonna happen, it won't garner enough attention for colleges to care.
2) Get into extracurriculars. I mean stuff like debate, quizbowl, math team, etc. Some sports helps, but it's hard to be really good at sports and do well academically. Volunteer service is good also.
3) Get your grade up. Do the best you can for the next two years. I guarantee that almost all top tier colleges are willing to overlook largely your bad grades IF YOU EXPLAIN IT TO THEM IN A HEARTFELT ESSAY. This brings me to point 4.
4) Sometime in the next year, start drafting your essay. More than anything else in your application, your essay will make or break your entrance. Most people have a hard time finding something to write about, but in your case, you should have no problem delving into your rebirth into academics. Make sure to allow other people to read drafts of your essay. By other people I mean your parents, counselors, and/or teachers you trust. Feedback really helps.
5) Do well on standardized tests. If you have an IQ to get into MIT, you can get above a 95% on the SAT. The way to do it is to do a shitload of practice tests.
6) Have a special talent. This should be music/art/ something cultural based. Sadly, being good at videogames or even being a good programmer does not cut it. I'm serious when I say that 90% of the people I know around me play an instrument or do art/plays/theatre/dancing.
7) If possible, do research at the local university. This can be done by contacting any professor in a field you're interested in and asking to volunteer for them on some project. If you come across as a decent person, most professors love the extra help.
Trust me, this stuff works. I attend a prestigious university and worked in the admissions office for a while. Colleges aren't like graduate or professional schools, they are more flexible in the kind of person they are looking for. As long as you can show how you're improving and that you're pursuing a goal, they'll take a chance on you.
Keep your spirit up and be sure not to burn out. Colleges don't like resume-padders so make sure you take some time for yourself so that in your interview, you'll have interesting stuff to talk about. If you're serious about going to a good school, you can definitely do it.
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I didn't read everyone's post, but I do know this much...
If you want to get into programming video games, you don't necessarily have to go to college. For example, Blizzard hires based on experience and capability. That said, just finish high school, and then start getting certifications. And while you're at it, try to get involved with as many different video game communities as possible. That'll beef up your resume enough to turn people's heads. Video game programming is so broad, but people just want to know that you have the dedication and technical know-how to be able to pick things up.
Now, I'm not telling you to NOT go to college. You probably should. But I'm just saying, there are alot of different ways to go about it. I know most people won't agree. However, my brother, who works for Rockwell Collins, told me that the most experienced/qualified person at the Cedar Rapids office only finished high school, but has many certifications.
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On November 04 2007 08:15 Seanithan wrote:
Einstein dropped out, he did fine.
Bullshit.
He finished high school (not the one where he started) and he graduated from ETH Zurich with a degree in physics.
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Einstein didn't finish HS but he instead joined the ETH Zurich school.
OP are you the next einstein? no. Einstein did his first scientific paper at the age of 15, you have a .5 GPA. Face the facts, I highly doubt your IQ is so high to merit you an entrance to MIT. Stop living in a fantasy world. Either go to a CC raise your GPA and work your ass off or join that Graphics design institute that fanatics told you to consider.
Either that or the army dude. I know people who stayed in HS for 6 years but never with such a disastrous GPA.
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I feel like i should update the OP with everything i posted since then, since some people seem to be jumping to the conclusion that i am either bragging about my GPA and saying where i should be going, despite my failures, or that i want help getting into MIT, besides the fact MIT seems like a waste of money, i would never get in there, EVER, there is obviously people with similiar IQ's and w/e SAT score i will get, with a GPA too, I'm obviously not getting in there.
And no, i don't claim to be anywhere near how smart einstein was, nor do i think i am the next einstein. So can we drop the whole highschool billionaire einstein genious, etc. discussion? IT's really really pointless. Sure maybe some people who didn't finish highschool or college went on to become billionaires, but let's comapir it to people who own property or cars or business's, i'm sure the number is way lower then. I don't care enough to go into this more.
Oh and yes, i did go to that school link somoene susgested, which didn't look at GPA. Forgot the link ATM, but i'm going to go to the websites susgested in this thread. Don't worry, i read every post in this thread, and will continue to do so.
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On November 04 2007 13:43 HeadBangaa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2007 02:18 fanatacist wrote:On November 04 2007 02:13 bine wrote:
In all honesty: therapy. Get your shit straight. If you never go to school, something else is going on that needs to be fixed. Not every slacker is a psychopath or retard that needs therapy. Not every slacker has been abused or has alcholic parents, either. I think trying again with a new resolve and outlook may be all the therapy he needs. If not, then there might be need for extra help. I feel people nowadays rely too much on doctors and medicine when the fault lies within their reach. If they can solve it by themselves with their own will power, seeking help will only make them weaker in the future when they face other problems. Asking for tips is okay, getting someone to help you as if you are diseased is not. Just my opinion. I think if he maintains the state of mind he has now he is far from ever needing a therapist. Fuck you, don't perpetuate this baseless stigma. Seriously, people like you cause others to be afraid to get the help they need. Some of the smartest people I've known have gone through major depression, and therapy helped them develop better coping mechanisms.
Have you read my subsequent post? No. Good job. Ignored.
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Korea (South)11575 Posts
On November 04 2007 08:08 fight_or_flight wrote:
1) get a GED immediately
2) go to CC for 2 years and do well
3) transfer to the school of your choice
Thats basically how it works. I took the ged with a 7th grade education and then went to a CC (and I didn't even have good grades). Now I'm a senior in EE and physics. I don't see how high school helps you prepare for college anyway, just get a GED and go to college. Community colleges are better for the first 2 years anyway , they are easier, cheaper, smaller classes, and you learn more.
Your parents may disagree with this decision, but college is actually easier in a lot of ways, namely you are actually learning things and people around you are more motivated. If you can get your parents to go along with it, I think it would be really good for you.
edit: my first math class in college was elementary algebra I (Math 27). So don't worry about starting low there, it doesn't really mater what level you are at.
This is a great idea to be honest. Think about it, by the time your friends graduate high school, you will enter a state university as a junior while they enter community college as a freshman, you're pretty much skipping 2 years of school. Great idea....
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A GED is never as good as a highschool diploma, however. If it was, then people would get GEDs and go to Harvard or something. It's automatically assumed that if you are getting a GED it is because your GPA is insanely low, unless you have other issues. I'd only recommend a GED if you feel that you can't follow through on raising your GPA.
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I think you should go 9pool into CC.
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On November 05 2007 03:09 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2007 13:43 HeadBangaa wrote:On November 04 2007 02:18 fanatacist wrote:On November 04 2007 02:13 bine wrote:
In all honesty: therapy. Get your shit straight. If you never go to school, something else is going on that needs to be fixed. Not every slacker is a psychopath or retard that needs therapy. Not every slacker has been abused or has alcholic parents, either. I think trying again with a new resolve and outlook may be all the therapy he needs. If not, then there might be need for extra help. I feel people nowadays rely too much on doctors and medicine when the fault lies within their reach. If they can solve it by themselves with their own will power, seeking help will only make them weaker in the future when they face other problems. Asking for tips is okay, getting someone to help you as if you are diseased is not. Just my opinion. I think if he maintains the state of mind he has now he is far from ever needing a therapist. Fuck you, don't perpetuate this baseless stigma. Seriously, people like you cause others to be afraid to get the help they need. Some of the smartest people I've known have gone through major depression, and therapy helped them develop better coping mechanisms. Have you read my subsequent post? No. Good job. Ignored.
Do either of you guys even have a degree in Psychology? Or even taken any Psychology classes/seminars? Psychology is one of those things that people pretend to know, but have no fucking idea.
In fact, in my study of psychology, I have come to realize that the very people in the Psychological field considered to be of highest prestige are the ones who assert we don't know about Psychology as much as we'd like to think.
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On November 05 2007 03:39 TheosEx wrote:
I have come to realize that the very people in the Psychological field considered to be of highest prestige are the ones who assert we don't know about Psychology as much as we'd like to think.
O_O?
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It's weird, but i read TheosEx post got an image in my head of what he must look like, scrolled down and saw beyonders icon, which pretty much summed it up.
+ Show Spoiler +
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IQ is potential for learning not how smart you are. Stop putting so much weight in IQ scores.
Bust your ass and get your GPA up to a decent level. There should be at least one decent low level state school that you can get into with the proper SAT/ACT scores and an OK GPA.
I'm recovering also and my plan is to get my GPA up some and do well in ACT/SAT then apply to Clayton State, Georgia State, or a slightly lower level school.
So yeah, I know where you are and it sucks but it's not impossible, just work hard. I don't think you should get an activity until you have your shit together and have a good work ethic. A sport or club may conflict with your school work and cause you to do poorly.
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By the way, a lot of the people posting in this thread are the biggest assholes ever.
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On November 05 2007 03:39 TheosEx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2007 03:09 fanatacist wrote:On November 04 2007 13:43 HeadBangaa wrote:On November 04 2007 02:18 fanatacist wrote:On November 04 2007 02:13 bine wrote:
In all honesty: therapy. Get your shit straight. If you never go to school, something else is going on that needs to be fixed. Not every slacker is a psychopath or retard that needs therapy. Not every slacker has been abused or has alcholic parents, either. I think trying again with a new resolve and outlook may be all the therapy he needs. If not, then there might be need for extra help. I feel people nowadays rely too much on doctors and medicine when the fault lies within their reach. If they can solve it by themselves with their own will power, seeking help will only make them weaker in the future when they face other problems. Asking for tips is okay, getting someone to help you as if you are diseased is not. Just my opinion. I think if he maintains the state of mind he has now he is far from ever needing a therapist. Fuck you, don't perpetuate this baseless stigma. Seriously, people like you cause others to be afraid to get the help they need. Some of the smartest people I've known have gone through major depression, and therapy helped them develop better coping mechanisms. Have you read my subsequent post? No. Good job. Ignored. Do either of you guys even have a degree in Psychology? Or even taken any Psychology classes/seminars? Psychology is one of those things that people pretend to know, but have no fucking idea. In fact, in my study of psychology, I have come to realize that the very people in the Psychological field considered to be of highest prestige are the ones who assert we don't know about Psychology as much as we'd like to think.
Yes.
And you're a moron - so says the rest of TL! Congrats.
GG NO RE.
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Why do you think he's a moron, fanatacist? What he says makes enough sense. Why do you think poker is so profitable for some people? The vast majority of people misjudge how accurately they can judge other people. Know yourself, and you will win half your battles. Know both yourself and your enemy, and you will win all your battles. Know neither yourself nor your enemy, and you will succumb in every battle.
PS: I've taken a couple courses in psychology and similar fields
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It's weird, but i read TheosEx post got an image in my head of what he must look like, scrolled down and saw beyonders icon, which pretty much summed it up.
I find that ironic. Correct me if I'm wrong, but at least in my country, all things you learn in highschool is practical go-to information. You're skipping class constantly and wasting a free education (don't give me bullshit that it's stuff you already know, cause if it were you wouldn't be failing). Who's the future Special Olympics star here?
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On November 05 2007 05:51 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2007 03:39 TheosEx wrote:On November 05 2007 03:09 fanatacist wrote:On November 04 2007 13:43 HeadBangaa wrote:On November 04 2007 02:18 fanatacist wrote:On November 04 2007 02:13 bine wrote:
In all honesty: therapy. Get your shit straight. If you never go to school, something else is going on that needs to be fixed. Not every slacker is a psychopath or retard that needs therapy. Not every slacker has been abused or has alcholic parents, either. I think trying again with a new resolve and outlook may be all the therapy he needs. If not, then there might be need for extra help. I feel people nowadays rely too much on doctors and medicine when the fault lies within their reach. If they can solve it by themselves with their own will power, seeking help will only make them weaker in the future when they face other problems. Asking for tips is okay, getting someone to help you as if you are diseased is not. Just my opinion. I think if he maintains the state of mind he has now he is far from ever needing a therapist. Fuck you, don't perpetuate this baseless stigma. Seriously, people like you cause others to be afraid to get the help they need. Some of the smartest people I've known have gone through major depression, and therapy helped them develop better coping mechanisms. Have you read my subsequent post? No. Good job. Ignored. Do either of you guys even have a degree in Psychology? Or even taken any Psychology classes/seminars? Psychology is one of those things that people pretend to know, but have no fucking idea. In fact, in my study of psychology, I have come to realize that the very people in the Psychological field considered to be of highest prestige are the ones who assert we don't know about Psychology as much as we'd like to think. Yes. And you're a moron - so says the rest of TL! Congrats. GG NO RE.
Yes, you have taken a Psychology class? seminar? degree? If you have, you wouldn't have spouted the stupid bullshit you said in the previous post. You would know enough about Psychology to know what I'm saying is the truth. That is why it takes FOREVER to get a master's/doctorates in Psychology. They want to separate the smart people from the dumbasses like you.
If you don't understand the last sentence of my previous post, that further tells me how little you know what you're talking about. That setence is the reason why basically half of what you learn in Psychology has to do minimizing mistakes as much as possible. Why every fucking psychological article has a "discussion" section, to stir up further research. Why every university that claims to be "psychology-based" places a huge emphasis on research, not teaching. Because we haven't even scratched the surface of psychology yet.
And who's the moron? Do you even know what a moron is? I would call you one, but I doubt you have the mental capacity of a nine year old. Do us a favor, and do something we like to call "research" every once in a while before you start spouting more retarded shit.
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On November 05 2007 05:30 DeadVessel wrote:
IQ is potential for learning not how smart you are. Stop putting so much weight in IQ scores.
Bust your ass and get your GPA up to a decent level. There should be at least one decent low level state school that you can get into with the proper SAT/ACT scores and an OK GPA.
I'm recovering also and my plan is to get my GPA up some and do well in ACT/SAT then apply to Clayton State, Georgia State, or a slightly lower level school.
So yeah, I know where you are and it sucks but it's not impossible, just work hard. I don't think you should get an activity until you have your shit together and have a good work ethic. A sport or club may conflict with your school work and cause you to do poorly.
On the first sentence. Exactly.
IQ actually starts to lose it's validity/reliability after you reach your early teens. IQ is basically used as a measure for young children to determine only "how much potential you have" and if you're retarded. That sounds kind of blatant, but if you get an IQ of 50 when you're eleven years old, psychologists would consider you retarded or atleast mentally challenged. After your early teen years, it's already most likely been determined if you're retarded or not, so the IQ test loses value. From there, everyone starts to basically even out.
So yeah, as he said, don't put so much emphasis on IQ for 'how smart you are.'
No offense, but the counselor was basically just buttering you up. It's part of their job. They can't say, "You're stupid, you probably won't even get into community college." I'm willing to bet my life on it. It's part of the whole "give a positive outlook" thing.
P.S. PsychoTemplar, what school do you go to? I'm currently working finishing up a Psychology minor.
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If you don't have the motivation to do something as easy as schoolwork, you won't have the motivation to learn how to make a flash-based game from scratch. You're still trying to find a shortcut.
Go to your Community College.
Get at least B's and C's.
Transfer to a 4 year University.
Start looking for your "dream job"
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Phoned, I'm exhausted just thinking about all the work you went through to make that one post. We can't all be mechanical entities powering our way through work, like you.
P.S. PsychoTemplar, what school do you go to? I'm currently working finishing up a Psychology minor.
The courses I took were in high school. Admittedly that's not very impressive sounding, but I had some good teachers, and a natural inclination towards it. Also, stop betting your life on silly things It's something they call in poker "Bankroll Management," and goes along with what you were saying when you referred to the most revered professional psychologists advocating that what they truly know, is how little the know (ie: don't treat things as absolute facts. There's a reason one of the first things you learn when analysing people is that there are always deviants).
PS: You've probably noticed I referred to poker twice already. It's because I think people who play poker for a living successfully are among the worlds greatest psychologists out there (at least at the poker table), even if they don't have the degrees to say they are. It's also notable, that although you say we haven't even scratched the surface of psychology yet, I would consider someone applying psychology for practical gain is at least that much, even if they don't fully understand why everything works out the way it does.
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On November 05 2007 07:08 TheosEx wrote:
IQ actually starts to lose it's validity/reliability after you reach your early teens. IQ is basically used as a measure for young children to determine only "how much potential you have" and if you're retarded. That sounds kind of blatant, but if you get an IQ of 50 when you're eleven years old, psychologists would consider you retarded or atleast mentally challenged. After your early teen years, it's already most likely been determined if you're retarded or not, so the IQ test loses value. From there, everyone starts to basically even out.
So yeah, as he said, don't put so much emphasis on IQ for 'how smart you are.'
No offense, but the counselor was basically just buttering you up. It's part of their job. They can't say, "You're stupid, you probably won't even get into community college." I'm willing to bet my life on it. It's part of the whole "give a positive outlook" thing.
P.S. PsychoTemplar, what school do you go to? I'm currently working finishing up a Psychology minor.
Though originally invented by Binet to diagnose mentally handicapped children, we can't really say that it starts to lose it's validity and reliability once we pass the teenage years? It's still a very important tool in organizations and used countless of times daily to decide who is the best candidate for the job, or if someone is a proper candidate at all. It's the best prediction possible for more sitations? .54 correlation, opposed to .40 for assessment centers! Not even mentioning other elements of psychology..
As for school achievement, it is important to note the IQ. The correlation between IQ-tests at the age of 12 and 18 is .89. The correlation between a (high) IQ and acedemical achievement is .50 (~25% of the variation in school achievement is decided by IQ). Though not the deciding factor, it plays a big role.
And an IQ of 50 would be pretty retarded.
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BTW monkey, I might have forgot to mention that if you transfer from a community college, you don't have to show the university any SATs or high school grades.
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Though originally invented by Binet to diagnose mentally handicapped children, we can't really say that it starts to lose it's validity and reliability once we pass the teenage years? It's still a very important tool in organizations and used countless of times daily to decide who is the best candidate for the job, or if someone is a proper candidate at all. It's the best prediction possible for more sitations? .54 correlation, opposed to .40 for assessment centers! Not even mentioning other elements of psychology..
As for school achievement, it is important to note the IQ. The correlation between IQ-tests at the age of 12 and 18 is .89. The correlation between a (high) IQ and acedemical achievement is .50 (~25% of the variation in school achievement is decided by IQ). Though not the deciding factor, it plays a big role
Do you know how those statistics were collected? GG. Statistics are meaningless if you don't know how they were obtained. There is a great importance to research in psychology, and your post just ignores that.
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On November 04 2007 03:08 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
Congrats mom, you majored in accounting, possibly one of the easiest things in the world. Please continue holding that over my head.
I majored in accounting, and it was not fucking easy OK. After 4 years of business classes I had to go through grueling interviews and was able to get an internship at an accounting firm. From there I got hired, and now I am on my way to grad school to get a masters in taxation. (which my firm is paying for) I am 24 years old and making more than enough to live comfortably, and in 4-5 years I'll be making over 6 figures. Your mom was not an idiot for getting an accounting degree, although maybe she isn't the brightest for not doing anything with it. In fact, accounting degrees are one of the best degrees out there. They almost guarantee you a good job. Accounting is one of the fastest growing industries, and it's ridiculously easy to get a job in accounting right now. I get calls from tons of recruiters every day offering me jobs at other firms.
So please don't go talking about how accounting is one of the easiest degrees out there when you don't know what your talking about. I'm not saying it's extremely difficult, but it is challenging and offers great rewards. I know exactly where your at right now. I was just like you once, 17 and cocky as hell. Thinking I was "smarter" than most other people and could take shortcuts through life. Well I ended up becoming a heroin addict for 4 years. My last 2 years of college and first 2 years at my job I was a full blown addict. I miraculously managed to hold onto my job, and decided I needed to get my life together. I detoxed using methadone and am now concentrating fully on my family and my career. I am not trying to take anymore shortcuts through life. That's also why I got into drugs, I wanted a "shortcut" out of heartbreak and emotional distress. I'm not going to lie, life is not easy for a lot of people. You just need to take responsibility and realize there are no shortcuts. If you want to become a programmer, you can do it, but it will be a hard road.
I am not telling you all this to scare you. I'm also not suggesting you are ever going to go out and use heroin or any other drugs. I'm just saying to be careful, and that certain attitudes towards life can get you into big trouble. Many people live lives of daily agony because of bad past decisions. I almost completely fucked my life up, and my life is still not totally back to normal yet. Every day is a struggle but it is getting easier. You are still young, so you have a lot of time to turn your life around. Just remember, things could be worse, just look at what happened to me. Now I am on my way to a happy life. You can do it too.
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On November 05 2007 06:20 PsycHOTemplar wrote:Show nested quote +It's weird, but i read TheosEx post got an image in my head of what he must look like, scrolled down and saw beyonders icon, which pretty much summed it up. I find that ironic. Correct me if I'm wrong, but at least in my country, all things you learn in highschool is practical go-to information. You're skipping class constantly and wasting a free education (don't give me bullshit that it's stuff you already know, cause if it were you wouldn't be failing). Who's the future Special Olympics star here?
Well, very little of what i learn in highschool is practical, imo, but the difference between Canada and the USA educational systems is apparently this. I can go and do little to no work and pass highschool, with a higher GPA then this, but going to school 1/5 days and getting 90's on there tests ends you with a low GPA, it's more of a daycare system i guess, considering knowledge means less then attendence.
And Thanks flight, knowing that might change some decisions i make, knowing that trasnfering from a CC means i don't need to show highschool GPA, but can show SAT stuff is very useful information, the kind i'm lookign for in tihs thread. Unlike TheosEx and people like PsycHOTemplar, who are telling me how fucked and retarded i am. I don't care about your sexy minor or major in psychology, or if you can break down and diagnose my mental state, it doens't matter to me, not in this thread anyway, please feel free to PM me with all YOUR solutions and judgements and uninformed guesses at all MY problems in life. But keep your shit advice out of a thread. And hey, if you really wanna see what judgements you can make about my life, my state of mind, and my potential to become a serial killer, please feel free to Message me on aim or PM me and i will tell you everything you ask, and pretend to listen to your semi profesisonal opinion, then when you finally finish with your psychoanalysis of me, i will pause my youtube AMV of Naruto vs Sasuke (Very good videos if you like fighitng stufF) Say thank you for your time, and goodbye, then resume my video where it was.
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I just kind of skimmed the first 3 pages and the last page so forgive me if I repeat something.
Don't worry too much about going to community college at first. The cc near me is generally regarded as a place for morons by most but what I learned otherwise when I found that there are plenty of people that go there, excel, and move on to go to great colleges. There was one case of someone really pulling out all the stops and demolishing the cc classes, straight A's, top of his class, etc and went on to an Ivy League college afterwards. It's possible and if you're truly as smart as you think you are then this certainly seems within your grasp.
As for how to spend your time when not in school, I would recommend you study up. Make sure you get those straight A's for the rest of highschool. If you can do that easily and still have loads of time on your hands, don't make a game. Unless you really want to pursue making games later in life, making a game won't help you at all. Also, if you do want to make games don't pursue an game design related major. They are too narrow and not well respected enough to get you jobs in the games industry most of the time, let alone any other job. Very few people get out of college and go straight to game design also, most get into a games company as something else and eventually move up to designer. Usually through QA. I'm a Comp Sci major myself and I'm glad I stayed with it. If programming games doesn't work out for me there are plenty of other jobs, most of which pay much better, that a Comp Sci can do. If you really want to pursue archeology find people that are in the field and ask them for help and advice. If you can get some work experience (internships, volunteer work, etc) in your field it's absolutely stellar. If it's anything like the comp sci field, it will very very easily put you far beyond your experience-less peers when it comes time for college and even more so when the job search begins. Real world work experience generally trumps grades soundly unless the disparity is absolutely huge.
Just be glad you're realizing this sooner than me. I limped through highschool with a C average then came to college, didn't try, and got owned. First semester gpa was a 1.2 or something. I hovered around a 2.0 gpa until my 2nd year of college at which time I found my motivation. I've increased my GPA drastically every semester and I've been on dean's list (3.2+) for the past 2 semesters and 4.0'ed my senior project. Playing catch up is hard, but be glad you are learning that you must catch up sooner than later. You've still got a chance to really make a difference.
I hope this helps, good luck.
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See OP, just like I said. Life in our countries is about second chances (as exemplified by stk01001).
You're not fucked yet
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On November 05 2007 07:55 PsycHOTemplar wrote:Show nested quote +Though originally invented by Binet to diagnose mentally handicapped children, we can't really say that it starts to lose it's validity and reliability once we pass the teenage years? It's still a very important tool in organizations and used countless of times daily to decide who is the best candidate for the job, or if someone is a proper candidate at all. It's the best prediction possible for more sitations? .54 correlation, opposed to .40 for assessment centers! Not even mentioning other elements of psychology..
As for school achievement, it is important to note the IQ. The correlation between IQ-tests at the age of 12 and 18 is .89. The correlation between a (high) IQ and acedemical achievement is .50 (~25% of the variation in school achievement is decided by IQ). Though not the deciding factor, it plays a big role Do you know how those statistics were collected? GG. Statistics are meaningless if you don't know how they were obtained. There is a great importance to research in psychology, and your post just ignores that.
Oh excuse me, I'll write a full essay here. Give me an hour.
TEE HEE?
(Also thanks for the heads-up. I hope I can have some of your courses someday!)
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ur a JR in highschool? if you get a high score on your sat it will help a LOT. otherwise just go to community college for 2 yrs and do well.
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Well that's a lesson you'll have to learn Beyonder. Don't use statistics unless they're very important to your point and are worthwhile to explain throughly. Cause otherwise, I'm sorry, they are useless. It's a damn shame that an actual argument takes some time to build
Unlike TheosEx and people like PsycHOTemplar, who are telling me how fucked and retarded i am.
OP, I wouldn't be too worried. Figure out where you want to go in life, and then make a plan on how to get there (obviously it's up to you to be realistic, there's no such thing as planning to win the lottery). We live in countries built on second chances; rarely do people get it right the first time.
Yeah, I guess that's what I said. How fucked you are. I thought I was telling you how you can only get screwed if you choose to give up, but you're right. I was just crushing your hopes and stomping your heart.
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
Thanks man. I thought I'd better not waste my time writing a full essay considering it will both derail the thread and completely waste my time. Good thing I restrained myself; I got the tip of a lifetime and saved precious hours.
I'll be sure to report this tip back to my education. Just wait till the professors get a hold of this.
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On November 05 2007 08:18 Beyonder wrote:
Thanks man. I thought I'd better not waste my time writing a full essay considering it will both derail the thread and completely waste my time. Good thing I restrained myself; I got the tip of a lifetime and saved precious hours.
I'll be sure to report this tip back to my education. Just wait till the professors get a hold of this.
lulz
(ignore meaningless 1 liner)
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You don't want to listen to people with practical advice, that's your problem. Anyone with a brain who read your statistic knows how sketchy sounding it was (and so therefore there was no reason to post it, cause only idiots are going to buy it).
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On November 05 2007 08:07 SS-guy wrote:
ur a JR in highschool? if you get a high score on your sat it will help a LOT. otherwise just go to community college for 2 yrs and do well.
Oh yeah, forgot to mention SAT. Again, if the OP is half as smart as he says he is getting a great SAT score shouldn't be hard and will greatly help your chances.
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On November 05 2007 08:20 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
You don't want to listen to people with practical advice, that's your problem. Anyone with a brain who read your statistic knows how sketchy sounding it was (and so therefore there was no reason to post it, cause only idiots are going to buy it).
Of course it sounds sketchy and partly is. That's psychology and that's correlation. The point however still stands and it's some of the best information/statistics available regarding IQ-tests and it's validity and usage. If the posted statistics were far off then the tests wouldn't be used so much, not in school, not in organizations, and not everywhere else. There is no reason not to post it, except maybe for people like you. Stop trying to sound smart because you had some courses, please.
Last post in this thread by me. Enough derailing.
+ Show Spoiler +You do realize that I get this crap taught at the best University for Psychology in the country, by one of the top professors, right? As for the research mentioned, before you starting whining again. It says more here. (Strangely enough, the mentioned professor taught us about IQ)
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Sorry, accounting is easy. You can't argue that point against any science or engineering student
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On November 05 2007 08:20 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
You don't want to listen to people with practical advice, that's your problem. Anyone with a brain who read your statistic knows how sketchy sounding it was (and so therefore there was no reason to post it, cause only idiots are going to buy it).
Beyonder's post about IQ tests was correct, yours wasn't. You don't have to be a professional psychometrician to know that IQ tests are widely used for adults, e.g. by armed forces, to diagnose mental illnesses, to assess applicants to selective institutions of higher education, etc. If the correlation between IQ tests at ages 12 and 18 is .89, then these tests are equally meaningful at either age. So either you're accusing him of flat out lying (he's not) or you don't know what correlation is (in which case you shouldn't be arguing about this subject).
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I never said it's completely useless past a certain age, and I doubt PsychoTemplar said that either.
The mind goes through so many developmental stages and sections from many different models. The IQ test can't possibly test them all.
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Stop trying to sound smart because you had some courses, please.
I'm not, and I don't know what gave you that impression. My courses in psychology have nothing to do with my ability to be skeptical and critical of information I'm given. Let's analyse the information you DIDN'T give us and see how dependable your information sounds. That's right, just like in poker, the things you don't see are often just as important as the things you do see.
Though originally invented by Binet to diagnose mentally handicapped children, we can't really say that it starts to lose it's validity and reliability once we pass the teenage years? It's still a very important tool in organizations and used countless of times daily to decide who is the best candidate for the job, or if someone is a proper candidate at all. It's the best prediction possible for more sitations? .54 correlation, opposed to .40 for assessment centers! Not even mentioning other elements of psychology..
Where was this study performed? How big was the sample? Was the sample randomly selected? Who funded the study? Who performed the study? What year was the study conducted? Why should I believe you when you say it's used countless times daily to determine the best person for the job (most people I know have never even taken a formal IQ test)?
If you can see my point, your statistic doesn't give any information anyone could possibly make an informed decision based on. I might as well say 100% of people think I'm right and you're wrong. Sure I only surveyed myself, and I'm incredibly biased, but look at that BIG, SHINY NUMBER! OMG SO PRETTY, AND ROUND! How convincing.
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So if you wanted a source, why didn't you just say that up frnot
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Cause I don't want to see a link to wikipedia (And I assumed it was from memory, because how hard is it to post a link to your source?)
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The amount of on-topic posts is slowly dwindling as egos are exponentially inflating. In before close.
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On November 05 2007 08:12 PsycHOTemplar wrote:Well that's a lesson you'll have to learn Beyonder. Don't use statistics unless they're very important to your point and are worthwhile to explain throughly. Cause otherwise, I'm sorry, they are useless. It's a damn shame that an actual argument takes some time to build Show nested quote +Unlike TheosEx and people like PsycHOTemplar, who are telling me how fucked and retarded i am. Show nested quote +OP, I wouldn't be too worried. Figure out where you want to go in life, and then make a plan on how to get there (obviously it's up to you to be realistic, there's no such thing as planning to win the lottery). We live in countries built on second chances; rarely do people get it right the first time. Yeah, I guess that's what I said. How fucked you are. I thought I was telling you how you can only get screwed if you choose to give up, but you're right. I was just crushing your hopes and stomping your heart.
I might of just confused you with someone else, if so sorry O_O
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Well, this this is going completely off topic as of the last few pages, and all good and great advice has already been given, and it's all just getting repeated, i just wanna thank eveyrone for there amazing contributions to there thread, and giving me more hope.
Thanks Beyonder, fanaticist, Bill, lilsusie (Who said a lot over PM's and offered some other forms of help if i should need it) And anyone else who contributed, i will probalby reread this sometime soon, so thanks everyone for everything they cotnributed and the time and effort they put into each one of there posts.
If a mod wants he can close this now, since it's only going to lead to more flaming and offtopic debates, feel free to resume your arguements over PM's or something if you find it useful, i would rather the thread die with dignity before it goes too off topic and leads to me reading through way too much crap. Mods choice though.
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I would of let it die without bumps, but i jsut watned to thank everyone again for there solid contributions.
too lazy to edit posts.
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On November 05 2007 01:42 Rev0lution wrote:
Einstein didn't finish HS but he instead joined the ETH Zurich school.
OP are you the next einstein? no. Einstein did his first scientific paper at the age of 15, you have a .5 GPA. Face the facts, I highly doubt your IQ is so high to merit you an entrance to MIT. Stop living in a fantasy world. Either go to a CC raise your GPA and work your ass off or join that Graphics design institute that fanatics told you to consider.
Either that or the army dude. I know people who stayed in HS for 6 years but never with such a disastrous GPA.
The Einsteins sent Albert to Aarau, Switzerland to finish secondary school. While lodging with the family of Professor Jost Winteler, he fell in love with the family's daughter, Sofia Marie-Jeanne Amanda Winteler, called "Marie". (Albert's sister, Maja, his confidant, later married Paul Winteler.)[10] In Aarau, Albert studied Maxwell's electromagnetic theory. In 1896, he graduated at age 17, renounced his German citizenship to avoid military service (with his father's approval), and finally enrolled in the mathematics program at ETH. On February 21, 1901, he gained Swiss citizenship, which he never revoked.[11] Marie moved to Olsberg, Switzerland for a teaching post.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein
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On November 05 2007 11:55 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
If a mod wants he can close this now, since it's only going to lead to more flaming and offtopic debates, feel free to resume your arguements over PM's or something if you find it useful, i would rather the thread die with dignity before it goes too off topic and leads to me reading through way too much crap. Mods choice though.
Don't let this thread die. Use it as a way to inform us how you are holding up, to get motivation and encouragement from other people. Maybe your mom really does not care for you (I don't know it but I doubt it), but a lot of people obviously did in this thread.
Make it a habit to post in here for like at least once a week. This seems like a very small feat but if you are having trouble to do your homework regularly, it might be the start of real discipline you are lacking.
Good luck.
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On November 03 2007 14:39 Hippopotamus wrote:Show nested quote +I'm working on getting a masters in education at the moment, and I can tell you there's no direct correlation between your GPA, your test scores, and your intelligence (in any combination). That cannot be true. IQ (if that's what you mean by the word "intelligence") would have little meaning if it correlated with nothing. In fact I don't believe it measures anything 'real' as much as some poorly defined characteristic that you somewhat isolate because you can correlate it with a number of things. Of two people identical in all respects but IQ the one with the higher IQ would have the higher GPA unless the threshold for a perfect GPA is really low. I have to appear as an asshole to convey how it is. To have a .5 GPA... well, that's really amazingly bad.
Late reply but again... there's no DIRECT correlation. There are people who do horribly on tests like IQ tests who end up running entire companies, and well. If someone gets a lower score on an IQ test, they could still have more motivation, or be a harder worker, and get a better GPA. Heck, they may have had a flu the day of the test and it came out 15 points lower because they were feeling off.
Not to mention the fact that the supreme court has ruled that those tests are culturally and linguistically biased. This means that someone that has just immigrated from Mexico, even if they have spent some years learning English, will naturally do worse on an IQ test. Translation doesn't help remove the bias, btw. Also, someone who grew up speaking English in, say, South Africa, who has a completely different cultural context, will also do much poorer on an IQ test. Does that mean that the South African and the Mexican are dumber? Of course not. Does that mean they will get a lower GPA. No, it doesn't.
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
^ Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
1. Of course there is a correlation between IQ and GPA. That doesn't mean IQ causally determines GPA.
2. The Supreme Court has ruled that IQ tests are culturally biased? I must have missed that one. In the meantime, has the Supreme Court also ruled that the Theory of Relativity is wrong and to be discarded?
3. Mexicans and Blacks DO score lower on IQ tests on average (regardless of native language or place of birth), and they DO have lower GPAs on average.
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I didn't read this thread, so I'm sure someone else had said this, but here it is, I'm in a bad mood, and I might as well just tell you:
YOU ARE NOT SMART. MY MOTHER AND BROTHER ARE TEACHERS. THE TEACHER IS TRYING TO GET YOU MOTIVATED BY GIVING YOU SELF-CONFIDENCE. MY MOM HAS USED THE SAME SCHTICK HUNDREDS OF TIMES BEFORE
Have a nice day, retard.
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I'm not trying to troll here but..
You haven't even said what your IQ is, so post that asap 
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
On November 06 2007 02:37 -_- wrote:
I didn't read this thread, so I'm sure someone else had said this, but here it is, I'm in a bad mood, and I might as well just tell you:
YOU ARE NOT SMART. MY MOTHER AND BROTHER ARE TEACHERS. THE TEACHER IS TRYING TO GET YOU MOTIVATED BY GIVING YOU SELF-CONFIDENCE. MY MOM HAS USED THE SAME SCHTICK HUNDREDS OF TIMES BEFORE
Have a nice day, retard.
Harsh but true, when I was failing all my classes I got a whole speech from my teachers saying how I was so "bright and smart" and how if I just focused I could be amazing blah blah
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On November 05 2007 08:36 KOFgokuon wrote:
Sorry, accounting is easy. You can't argue that point against any science or engineering student
not sure if u were relating this to my post pre-edit, but...
i won't go into any depth as it's a complete derailment, but currently, my accounting courses (im 2nd yr) are far harder than any ezpz math/science/cs courses im also taking at uwloo, where accounting isn't even supposed to be hard, and cs is supposed to be good.
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Who cares if you are told you have a genius IQ. If you have a 0.5 GPA, you can't go anywhere.
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i dropped out of highschool now i make 75k year out of a community college.
get a ged and settle.
because at the end of the day nothing matters, because we all die
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go join the army! seriously, a lot of people that have bad grades is not because they are stupid, it because they lack basic self discipline and there is no other place than can teach u discipline better than the military. Plus, after u finish with the army they'll pay for all ur college expenses so i think this is something u should look into.
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On November 06 2007 07:08 Million wrote:
go join the army! seriously, a lot of people that have bad grades is not because they are stupid, it because they lack basic self discipline and there is no other place than can teach u discipline better than the military. Plus, after u finish with the army they'll pay for all ur college expenses so i think this is something u should look into.
That's not true actually, they wont pay all your college expenses.
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
I'm closing this thread. I think we pretty much covered it all and the threads' quality is dropping rapidly.
As requested, it would be nice to keep us somewhat updated on your progress.
Good luck.
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