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Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
November 04 2007 23:02 GMT
#161
I just kind of skimmed the first 3 pages and the last page so forgive me if I repeat something.

Don't worry too much about going to community college at first. The cc near me is generally regarded as a place for morons by most but what I learned otherwise when I found that there are plenty of people that go there, excel, and move on to go to great colleges. There was one case of someone really pulling out all the stops and demolishing the cc classes, straight A's, top of his class, etc and went on to an Ivy League college afterwards. It's possible and if you're truly as smart as you think you are then this certainly seems within your grasp.

As for how to spend your time when not in school, I would recommend you study up. Make sure you get those straight A's for the rest of highschool. If you can do that easily and still have loads of time on your hands, don't make a game. Unless you really want to pursue making games later in life, making a game won't help you at all. Also, if you do want to make games don't pursue an game design related major. They are too narrow and not well respected enough to get you jobs in the games industry most of the time, let alone any other job. Very few people get out of college and go straight to game design also, most get into a games company as something else and eventually move up to designer. Usually through QA. I'm a Comp Sci major myself and I'm glad I stayed with it. If programming games doesn't work out for me there are plenty of other jobs, most of which pay much better, that a Comp Sci can do. If you really want to pursue archeology find people that are in the field and ask them for help and advice. If you can get some work experience (internships, volunteer work, etc) in your field it's absolutely stellar. If it's anything like the comp sci field, it will very very easily put you far beyond your experience-less peers when it comes time for college and even more so when the job search begins. Real world work experience generally trumps grades soundly unless the disparity is absolutely huge.

Just be glad you're realizing this sooner than me. I limped through highschool with a C average then came to college, didn't try, and got owned. First semester gpa was a 1.2 or something. I hovered around a 2.0 gpa until my 2nd year of college at which time I found my motivation. I've increased my GPA drastically every semester and I've been on dean's list (3.2+) for the past 2 semesters and 4.0'ed my senior project. Playing catch up is hard, but be glad you are learning that you must catch up sooner than later. You've still got a chance to really make a difference.

I hope this helps, good luck.
"Oh no, I got you with your pants... on your face... That's not how you wear pants." - Nintu, catching 1 hatch lurks.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
November 04 2007 23:03 GMT
#162
See OP, just like I said. Life in our countries is about second chances (as exemplified by stk01001).

You're not fucked yet
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-04 23:09:41
November 04 2007 23:04 GMT
#163
On November 05 2007 07:55 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
Show nested quote +
Though originally invented by Binet to diagnose mentally handicapped children, we can't really say that it starts to lose it's validity and reliability once we pass the teenage years? It's still a very important tool in organizations and used countless of times daily to decide who is the best candidate for the job, or if someone is a proper candidate at all. It's the best prediction possible for more sitations? .54 correlation, opposed to .40 for assessment centers! Not even mentioning other elements of psychology..

As for school achievement, it is important to note the IQ. The correlation between IQ-tests at the age of 12 and 18 is .89. The correlation between a (high) IQ and acedemical achievement is .50 (~25% of the variation in school achievement is decided by IQ). Though not the deciding factor, it plays a big role

Do you know how those statistics were collected? GG. Statistics are meaningless if you don't know how they were obtained. There is a great importance to research in psychology, and your post just ignores that.


Oh excuse me, I'll write a full essay here. Give me an hour.

TEE HEE?

(Also thanks for the heads-up. I hope I can have some of your courses someday!)
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SChasu
Profile Joined October 2003
United States1505 Posts
November 04 2007 23:07 GMT
#164
ur a JR in highschool? if you get a high score on your sat it will help a LOT. otherwise just go to community college for 2 yrs and do well.
totalbiscuit is awful at casting.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
November 04 2007 23:12 GMT
#165
Well that's a lesson you'll have to learn Beyonder. Don't use statistics unless they're very important to your point and are worthwhile to explain throughly. Cause otherwise, I'm sorry, they are useless. It's a damn shame that an actual argument takes some time to build

Unlike TheosEx and people like PsycHOTemplar, who are telling me how fucked and retarded i am.

OP, I wouldn't be too worried. Figure out where you want to go in life, and then make a plan on how to get there (obviously it's up to you to be realistic, there's no such thing as planning to win the lottery). We live in countries built on second chances; rarely do people get it right the first time.


Yeah, I guess that's what I said. How fucked you are. I thought I was telling you how you can only get screwed if you choose to give up, but you're right. I was just crushing your hopes and stomping your heart.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
November 04 2007 23:18 GMT
#166
Thanks man. I thought I'd better not waste my time writing a full essay considering it will both derail the thread and completely waste my time. Good thing I restrained myself; I got the tip of a lifetime and saved precious hours.

I'll be sure to report this tip back to my education. Just wait till the professors get a hold of this.
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DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
November 04 2007 23:19 GMT
#167
On November 05 2007 08:18 Beyonder wrote:
Thanks man. I thought I'd better not waste my time writing a full essay considering it will both derail the thread and completely waste my time. Good thing I restrained myself; I got the tip of a lifetime and saved precious hours.

I'll be sure to report this tip back to my education. Just wait till the professors get a hold of this.

lulz

(ignore meaningless 1 liner)
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
November 04 2007 23:20 GMT
#168
You don't want to listen to people with practical advice, that's your problem. Anyone with a brain who read your statistic knows how sketchy sounding it was (and so therefore there was no reason to post it, cause only idiots are going to buy it).
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-04 23:27:20
November 04 2007 23:21 GMT
#169
unrelated
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
November 04 2007 23:24 GMT
#170
On November 05 2007 08:07 SS-guy wrote:
ur a JR in highschool? if you get a high score on your sat it will help a LOT. otherwise just go to community college for 2 yrs and do well.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention SAT. Again, if the OP is half as smart as he says he is getting a great SAT score shouldn't be hard and will greatly help your chances.
"Oh no, I got you with your pants... on your face... That's not how you wear pants." - Nintu, catching 1 hatch lurks.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-04 23:50:08
November 04 2007 23:35 GMT
#171
On November 05 2007 08:20 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
You don't want to listen to people with practical advice, that's your problem. Anyone with a brain who read your statistic knows how sketchy sounding it was (and so therefore there was no reason to post it, cause only idiots are going to buy it).


Of course it sounds sketchy and partly is. That's psychology and that's correlation. The point however still stands and it's some of the best information/statistics available regarding IQ-tests and it's validity and usage. If the posted statistics were far off then the tests wouldn't be used so much, not in school, not in organizations, and not everywhere else. There is no reason not to post it, except maybe for people like you. Stop trying to sound smart because you had some courses, please.

Last post in this thread by me. Enough derailing.

+ Show Spoiler +
You do realize that I get this crap taught at the best University for Psychology in the country, by one of the top professors, right?

As for the research mentioned, before you starting whining again. It says more here. (Strangely enough, the mentioned professor taught us about IQ)
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14900 Posts
November 04 2007 23:36 GMT
#172
Sorry, accounting is easy. You can't argue that point against any science or engineering student
HnR)hT
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3468 Posts
November 04 2007 23:40 GMT
#173
On November 05 2007 08:20 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
You don't want to listen to people with practical advice, that's your problem. Anyone with a brain who read your statistic knows how sketchy sounding it was (and so therefore there was no reason to post it, cause only idiots are going to buy it).

Beyonder's post about IQ tests was correct, yours wasn't. You don't have to be a professional psychometrician to know that IQ tests are widely used for adults, e.g. by armed forces, to diagnose mental illnesses, to assess applicants to selective institutions of higher education, etc. If the correlation between IQ tests at ages 12 and 18 is .89, then these tests are equally meaningful at either age. So either you're accusing him of flat out lying (he's not) or you don't know what correlation is (in which case you shouldn't be arguing about this subject).
TheosEx
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States894 Posts
November 04 2007 23:56 GMT
#174
I never said it's completely useless past a certain age, and I doubt PsychoTemplar said that either.

The mind goes through so many developmental stages and sections from many different models. The IQ test can't possibly test them all.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
November 05 2007 00:01 GMT
#175
Stop trying to sound smart because you had some courses, please.

I'm not, and I don't know what gave you that impression. My courses in psychology have nothing to do with my ability to be skeptical and critical of information I'm given. Let's analyse the information you DIDN'T give us and see how dependable your information sounds. That's right, just like in poker, the things you don't see are often just as important as the things you do see.



Though originally invented by Binet to diagnose mentally handicapped children, we can't really say that it starts to lose it's validity and reliability once we pass the teenage years? It's still a very important tool in organizations and used countless of times daily to decide who is the best candidate for the job, or if someone is a proper candidate at all. It's the best prediction possible for more sitations? .54 correlation, opposed to .40 for assessment centers! Not even mentioning other elements of psychology..

Where was this study performed? How big was the sample? Was the sample randomly selected? Who funded the study? Who performed the study? What year was the study conducted? Why should I believe you when you say it's used countless times daily to determine the best person for the job (most people I know have never even taken a formal IQ test)?

If you can see my point, your statistic doesn't give any information anyone could possibly make an informed decision based on. I might as well say 100% of people think I'm right and you're wrong. Sure I only surveyed myself, and I'm incredibly biased, but look at that BIG, SHINY NUMBER! OMG SO PRETTY, AND ROUND! How convincing.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14900 Posts
November 05 2007 00:11 GMT
#176
So if you wanted a source, why didn't you just say that up frnot
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-05 00:16:26
November 05 2007 00:13 GMT
#177
Cause I don't want to see a link to wikipedia (And I assumed it was from memory, because how hard is it to post a link to your source?)
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
November 05 2007 00:22 GMT
#178
The amount of on-topic posts is slowly dwindling as egos are exponentially inflating. In before close.
Peace~
MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
November 05 2007 02:49 GMT
#179
On November 05 2007 08:12 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
Well that's a lesson you'll have to learn Beyonder. Don't use statistics unless they're very important to your point and are worthwhile to explain throughly. Cause otherwise, I'm sorry, they are useless. It's a damn shame that an actual argument takes some time to build

Show nested quote +
Unlike TheosEx and people like PsycHOTemplar, who are telling me how fucked and retarded i am.

Show nested quote +
OP, I wouldn't be too worried. Figure out where you want to go in life, and then make a plan on how to get there (obviously it's up to you to be realistic, there's no such thing as planning to win the lottery). We live in countries built on second chances; rarely do people get it right the first time.


Yeah, I guess that's what I said. How fucked you are. I thought I was telling you how you can only get screwed if you choose to give up, but you're right. I was just crushing your hopes and stomping your heart.


I might of just confused you with someone else, if so sorry O_O
<3's Mani and Seraphim, thx for the second chance. TSL Name: TSL-mSLeGenD
MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
November 05 2007 02:55 GMT
#180
Well, this this is going completely off topic as of the last few pages, and all good and great advice has already been given, and it's all just getting repeated, i just wanna thank eveyrone for there amazing contributions to there thread, and giving me more hope.
Thanks Beyonder, fanaticist, Bill, lilsusie (Who said a lot over PM's and offered some other forms of help if i should need it) And anyone else who contributed, i will probalby reread this sometime soon, so thanks everyone for everything they cotnributed and the time and effort they put into each one of there posts.

If a mod wants he can close this now, since it's only going to lead to more flaming and offtopic debates, feel free to resume your arguements over PM's or something if you find it useful, i would rather the thread die with dignity before it goes too off topic and leads to me reading through way too much crap. Mods choice though.
<3's Mani and Seraphim, thx for the second chance. TSL Name: TSL-mSLeGenD
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