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BabelFish1
Profile Joined September 2015
186 Posts
May 27 2021 16:57 GMT
#1
drop.sc/replay/19145276

drop.sc/replay/19145886

drop.sc/replay/19145895

3 replays to start. I know there's additional things I can be doing, such as grabbing higher tech faster, etc. I'm pretty casual these days, not looking to be the next GSL finalist lol.

Any advice and feedback is welcome!
-StrifeX-
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States529 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-28 16:23:32
May 28 2021 16:14 GMT
#2
I watched all 3 replays. I don't think you're really looking for help, you only posted replays of you winning. No worries though it's obvious of the mistakes, and I can probably predict the games of what happens that you just straight up die in. I will keep it simple only list 3 things.

1) You need to work on your build order a lot more. This build order isn't very solid honestly. It will work, but you will start to struggle in diamond with it.

2) You play this build order as if it's a macro build order opening, but it's actually more of an all-in chargelot build. If you're going to do a build similar to this don't get your 3rd nexus as quickly. I would just focus on unit burst instead. it will be a more powerful attack. If you don't want to all-in you need to work on transitioning out of just charge lots only off 1 gas. Basically you get to expand a lot if only you do very well with the first attack, but get crushed and can't expand if they defend your chargelot without taking any eco damage.

3) You have no detection to defend banshee or window mines. You didn't get any detection in any of the 3 games you post.

I honestly would work the most on 1 and 2 that I listed. If you fix this it will help you the most I feel. I seen several other things, but these I noticed every game you posted and very early in the games. Hopefully this helps some, but next time I would suggest posting games you lose in it will be more obvious and help yourself out as well.
BabelFish1
Profile Joined September 2015
186 Posts
May 29 2021 00:31 GMT
#3
On May 29 2021 01:14 -StrifeX- wrote:
I watched all 3 replays. I don't think you're really looking for help, you only posted replays of you winning. No worries though it's obvious of the mistakes, and I can probably predict the games of what happens that you just straight up die in. I will keep it simple only list 3 things.

1) You need to work on your build order a lot more. This build order isn't very solid honestly. It will work, but you will start to struggle in diamond with it.

2) You play this build order as if it's a macro build order opening, but it's actually more of an all-in chargelot build. If you're going to do a build similar to this don't get your 3rd nexus as quickly. I would just focus on unit burst instead. it will be a more powerful attack. If you don't want to all-in you need to work on transitioning out of just charge lots only off 1 gas. Basically you get to expand a lot if only you do very well with the first attack, but get crushed and can't expand if they defend your chargelot without taking any eco damage.

3) You have no detection to defend banshee or window mines. You didn't get any detection in any of the 3 games you post.

I honestly would work the most on 1 and 2 that I listed. If you fix this it will help you the most I feel. I seen several other things, but these I noticed every game you posted and very early in the games. Hopefully this helps some, but next time I would suggest posting games you lose in it will be more obvious and help yourself out as well.


Reason I post winning replays is because I don't have many where I lose, lol. Like, when I do, it's basically vs hellbats. Lots of them. And in that case, I know what I need; Disruptors.

I am diamond, no struggling happening. At all. Even vs all-ins and cheese.

It's not even close to an all-in. What kind of all-in functions on 50-100+ probes?

Like, all feedback is welcome but what on Earth are you talking about here?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27245 Posts
May 29 2021 01:36 GMT
#4
I dunno, seems sensible enough advice to me. If a build naturally transitions into a heavy timing or pressure, use the build in that way and play to its strengths, if you want a light pressure into a fast third, or fast tech then tweak this build or use another build.

By want of a comparison if someone uses a 4 gate blink build, but techs fast or takes a speedy Nexus they’re not using the build optimally, it’s geared to heavy aggression. Likewise going heavy aggro blink off a 2 gate build doesn’t make sense as that much better dovetails with a fast expo and tech.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
BabelFish1
Profile Joined September 2015
186 Posts
May 29 2021 16:45 GMT
#5
On May 29 2021 10:36 WombaT wrote:
I dunno, seems sensible enough advice to me. If a build naturally transitions into a heavy timing or pressure, use the build in that way and play to its strengths, if you want a light pressure into a fast third, or fast tech then tweak this build or use another build.

By want of a comparison if someone uses a 4 gate blink build, but techs fast or takes a speedy Nexus they’re not using the build optimally, it’s geared to heavy aggression. Likewise going heavy aggro blink off a 2 gate build doesn’t make sense as that much better dovetails with a fast expo and tech.


Why isn't 1 gate FE geared toward macro and aggression with fast charge at the expense of later robo and/or sg tech?
That's why it's not good advice, it's not like someone is saying at 2:45 try to get a forge and +1 armor - or chrono out blink after charge - or any number of other suggestions, instead it's "work on your build order" except the opener is perfectly fine and is entirely why I do so well in PvT. Might as well tell me to stop going 1 gate FE and open 2 gate instead; if I wanted to do 2 gate, I'd do 2 gate.
LHK
Profile Joined May 2015
204 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-29 21:59:12
May 29 2021 21:58 GMT
#6
Oh joys its babelfish posting his zealot spam builds again then getting upset at people who give their critique of it
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BabelFish1
Profile Joined September 2015
186 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-30 18:33:47
May 30 2021 18:32 GMT
#7
On May 30 2021 06:58 LHK wrote:
Oh joys its babelfish posting his zealot spam builds again then getting upset at people who give their critique of it


"Critique my ketchup, please!"

"Ketchup sucks, real men like mustard"

Give valid advice if you don't want very basic pushback...or don't...frankly, this community has severe issues with this kind of nonsense and I'm beyond caring, I just roll my eyes these days.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27245 Posts
May 30 2021 23:20 GMT
#8
On May 31 2021 03:32 BabelFish1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2021 06:58 LHK wrote:
Oh joys its babelfish posting his zealot spam builds again then getting upset at people who give their critique of it


"Critique my ketchup, please!"

"Ketchup sucks, real men like mustard"

Give valid advice if you don't want very basic pushback...or don't...frankly, this community has severe issues with this kind of nonsense and I'm beyond caring, I just roll my eyes these days.

How does it? You seem to want to flout it the basic conventions of feedback threads such as showing losses for others to help unpick, or taking any actual feedback in anything approaching a receptive manner.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2435 Posts
May 31 2021 04:23 GMT
#9
On May 31 2021 03:32 BabelFish1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2021 06:58 LHK wrote:
Oh joys its babelfish posting his zealot spam builds again then getting upset at people who give their critique of it


"Critique my ketchup, please!"

"Ketchup sucks, real men like mustard"

Give valid advice if you don't want very basic pushback...or don't...frankly, this community has severe issues with this kind of nonsense and I'm beyond caring, I just roll my eyes these days.

Perhaps you could take some kind of lesson from the fact that you have earned yourself a reputation for this precise thing.

I don't really go in the SC2 forum too much and even I chuckled to myself when I read your first reply and then checked the poster name and it all clicked.

What I'm saying is, you're a joke.
The original Bogus fan.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37101 Posts
May 31 2021 06:41 GMT
#10
Oh, hell no. We're not dealing with this crap again...
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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