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How many times are you going to post the same article?
The situations outside of them being from the same country are completely different. Continually bringing it up does not make thon older.
Until some actual proof comes out drop the drama. I'm think the bucks did a fair bit of research before they invested a lottery pick and millions.
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a 30 year old pretending to be 17 is comedy not drama. you half reading my stuff is more comedy.
if its not hockey.. Canada is a good place to hide your age because no one cares enough about other sports to do some big investigation.
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The irony of you saying half reading when I was talking about the drama about Thon. And you bringing up the unrelated story each time as some sort of straw man proof, or "comedy" (twice in 2 pages). Move on.
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On June 29 2016 06:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Cleveland's GM says he plans on keeping the Cavaliers together. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16569878/cleveland-cavaliers-gm-david-griffin-says-plan-keep-team-togetherI wonder if that includes signing Richard Jefferson. He played well this playoff season and he always murdered teh Raptors in the playoffs. Anyone can look up his #s so i won't post 'em. Outside of his stats.. the guy is just a really good, smart well rounded basketball player. if he cashes in due to the 2016 playoffs.. good for him. He is an important free agent.
Anyone can just look up every link you post.
He's a 35 year old who averaged 5.5 points 1.7 rbs and 0.8 ast. He is also far from a advanced stat gem. Assuming he is good in the locker room and good at practice he may get a 1 year deal for close to the minimum from someone, but he is lucky if he just catches on. How that is remotely close to an important free agent I'm not sure.
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u mad bro? any user can look up the links that any other user posts... not sure what your point is here. i'm not supposed to post links? whatever teh deal is ... take it to PM.
did u actually watch the 12 playoffs games where Jefferson opposed the Raptors? or are you just reading a stat sheet? the guy is good and he is good in the playoffs; he is a smart player. sry no link.. you'll just have to take my word for it.. and Tyron Lue's line up decisions as a reference.
he'd be a good 20 minute a game guy on any playoff team... as he was this year. he was a smart acquisition by Cleveland last year.
watching Jefferson's smart decision-making mangle the Raptors repeatedly through 12 playoff games i was not surprised to see Tyron Lue use Jefferson for 32 and 25 minutes in games 6 and 7 of the NBA Finals this year.
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Jefferson is not an important FA, he's been irrelevant for a long time and one playoff burst isn't going to change much, especially at his age. Wouldn't be surprised if he fake-retired just to get some leverage, cause no other team's going to pay him much. I still remember him being fucking awful on the spurs and that was 4 years ago. He'll get a delly contract at best.
On June 29 2016 07:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote: he'd be a good 20 minute a game guy on any playoff team... as he was this year. a few games having an impact in a good situation... you're massively overrating the guy
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On June 29 2016 08:56 Scarecrow wrote:Jefferson is not an important FA, he's been irrelevant for a long time and one playoff burst isn't going to change much. I still remember him being fucking awful on the spurs and that was years ago. He'll get a delly contract at best. Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 07:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote: he'd be a good 20 minute a game guy on any playoff team... as he was this year. one year getting hot in a good situation... you're massively overrating the guy
And here is him getting hot and "destroying the raptors in the playoffs"
Game 1 21 mins 11 rebs and 9 points. Solid game
Game 2 20 mins 4 rebs 2 points. 0 impact.
Game 3 8 mins 2 rebs 5 points. 0 impact.
Game 4 14 mins 0 rebs 8 points. 0 impact.
Game 5 20 mins 6 rebs 11 points, minor impact
Game 6 12 mins 1 reb 3 points, 0 impact
So now I ask the question you asked me, did you watch any of these games? And what is your definition of being a "murdering the raptors" because for me this is more like played one good game off the bench 1 mediocre to low impact game and then 4 where it didn't matter if he was in the building. I'm not taking your word for anything because clearly you don't know much.
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ya, the stuff he does you can't get from stats. also, its only 6 of the 12 games. pretty hilarious how you give me this "any one can look up your stuff" and then produce the above #s. Marco Estrada where are you. there is more to the game than the offensive #s u parroted. and i referred to 12 games not 6. further, he is also a good defender.
he'll be a good 20-minute a game guy on any team. he was good enough for the NBA champs last year. he'll continue to be good.
most of the stuff i say here can't be backed by #s. Like Lowry's mismanagement of his injuries. There are no stats for that. you'll just have to take my word for it.
On June 29 2016 08:56 Scarecrow wrote:Jefferson is not an important FA, he's been irrelevant for a long time and one playoff burst isn't going to change much, especially at his age. Wouldn't be surprised if he fake-retired just to get some leverage, cause no other team's going to pay him much. I still remember him being fucking awful on the spurs and that was 4 years ago. He'll get a delly contract at best. Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 07:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote: he'd be a good 20 minute a game guy on any playoff team... as he was this year. a few games having an impact in a good situation... you're massively overrating the guy
are you saying he was lousy this year? i did not say he was BIll Russell or LBJ.
if he is good enough for 25 and 32 minutes in games 6 and 7 between the 2 best teams in the NBA. he'll be good enough for 20 minutes a game next year. if he is healthy the guy is good. Tyron Lue said so.. not with his words.. but with his actions.
look for him to play 20+ minutes a game next year if he chooses to come back. do not change or twist what i've said. i did not say he'd be a premier starter carrying a team through the playoffs... so do not claim i'm saying that. i'm not.
if my team makes the playoffs in 2017 a guy like RJ is a good role player.
On June 29 2016 08:56 Scarecrow wrote: He'll get a delly contract at best.
RJ will probably get the same deal as last year or a bit better. i'd like to see the guy cash-in though.
On June 29 2016 09:16 JimmiC wrote: I'm not taking your word for anything because clearly you don't know much. i only really follow the Raptors... and so far the few knock-down drag-em-out 50 post debates about the raptors have proven i know the team. i'm not the one who said the raptors are the worst 56 win team ever.... and i stated in 2015 the raptors were merely a slightly above average team when they went 28-13 and everyone was all gah-gah over them....Cleveland//Toronto goes 6 with Lowry healthy etc etc etc.
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There are stats that also show he is a OK not great defender. I could simply say he is not a great player take my word for it like you but I decided to show some pretty clear evidence that he did not "murder the raptors in the playoffs" your words. If being a average defender and averaging 15 mins is murdering then basically most rotation player murder the other team every night.
You were the one that wrote "anyone can look it up" after posting a link. I was responding to the irony in your post and posting history and using your own words. Do you not know what you wrote? Or are you changing your opinion as it becomes clear that others do not agree.
You have also back pedaled super hard from the post I first responded to. Him getting a 1 year deal the same as last year which was under 1 million is far from being a important free agent who both "murdered" and "mangled" the Raptors. In fact it is shockingly close to my response to you when I said at best he would get a 1 year minimum which you thought was a stupid post and came at me over. Saying I don't watch basketball and so on.
It really amazes me how you can change your opinion so quickly and still be condensing when you are agreeing with my point and not your own.
And as far as the Raptors go, they are a good but not great team in the weaker conference. Yes they took the Cavs to 6 but they did get humiliated in a couple of the games. They have some promise but they for sure need additions especially at the power forward spot if they wish to compete (and retain DeRozan).
Also, as I said the GM's of the league will set his worth and with the Salary cap skyrocketing there is no reason (other than he is not a important FA) for him not to get this big deal you think he will.
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umm he has played 12 playoff games against the Raptors. Not 6. The 2 games the Raptors won this year against the Cavs he played the least minutes; 9 and 15? look it up urself. The guy has murdered teh Raptors in the 10 other playoff games with more than just stats you can slap down on a forum board. i believe 1 raptor playoff season ended on an RJ steal.
did i say he is a premier starter? i said he will be a good 20 minute a game guy. my stance has not changed.
his offensive playoff stats in 2016 speak for themselves. the guy was good. if he wasn't Lue would never have had him out there in games 6 and 7.
the only thing stopping RJ from having another season like this one is too many drugs and too much partying. if the guy takes care of himself he'll be really good as a playoff role player again. Kudos to Cleveland for picking him up in 2015.
On June 29 2016 10:23 JimmiC wrote: And as far as the Raptors go, they are a good but not great team in the weaker conference. Yes they took the Cavs to 6 but they did get humiliated in a couple of the games. They have some promise but they for sure need additions especially at the power forward spot if they wish to compete (and retain DeRozan).
i guess the difference is.. i make the comments before the games are played. not after. i've already covered whether or not they are going to retain Derozan. Casey already said so.
The picture below proves Thon Maker is 19. This was taken in 2007 when he was 10.
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On June 29 2016 10:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote:umm he has played 12 playoff games against the Raptors. Not 6. The 2 games the Raptors won this year against the Cavs he played the least minutes; 9 and 15? look it up urself. The guy has murdered teh Raptors in the 10 other playoff games with more than just stats you can slap down on a forum board. i believe 1 raptor playoff season ended on an RJ steal. did i say he is a premier starter? i said he will be a good 20 minute a game guy. my stance has not changed. his offensive playoff stats in 2016 speak for themselves. the guy was good. if he wasn't Lue would never have had him out there in games 6 and 7. the only thing stopping RJ from having another season like this one is too many drugs and too much partying. if the guy takes care of himself he'll be really good as a playoff role player again. Kudos to Cleveland for picking him up in 2015. Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 10:23 JimmiC wrote: And as far as the Raptors go, they are a good but not great team in the weaker conference. Yes they took the Cavs to 6 but they did get humiliated in a couple of the games. They have some promise but they for sure need additions especially at the power forward spot if they wish to compete (and retain DeRozan).
i guess the difference is.. i make the comments before the games are played. not after. i've already covered whether or not they are going to retain Derozan. Casey already said so. The picture below proves Thon Maker is 19. This was taken in 2007 when he was 10.
If by covered it you mean posted articles most raptors fans have read congrats. Why you think this makes you a reporter or superior or something I'm not sure.
The other 4 games against the cavs he did not "murder them" he had one decent game one medium and 2 non existent. As for the other how he did 9 years ago longer is hardly relevant to your point that he is a "important free agent". I'm not going to look it up but I'd be surprised if he "murdered" them, but then again by your definition I guess if he played on a opposing team then he did.
Also, the reason he could have played the least in the games they lost is they were close games and Lue played his top players and not his 8th-10th best player big minutes. Getting your most minutes in a blow out is not a ringing endorsement.
Outside of your brilliant "your gonna have to trust me, cause I'm so smart" argument you have put forward no evidence to back up any of your claims. The other poster was being kind when he said you are over rating one great performance. Because he didn't even have that in this playoffs. He a couple of not bad performances. And as father time is still undefeated it is likely he will be worse next year then this.
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Thon Maker drama continues... I wonder how far Reddit is going to push this agenda. It's sickening tbh
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I don't think that a handful of redditers are able to find out a huge red flag that the entire Milwaukee Bucks scouting team, whose entire job is to find out such bullshit, missed the fuck out. They probably knew about it and picked him anyway.
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The picture below proves Thon Maker is 19. This was taken in 2007 when he was 10.
hahahahahahahaha
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The Wolves should have traded the #5 pick and anything except Towns to get Butler. Oh well.
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On June 26 2016 10:13 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 05:27 JimmiC wrote: It will be interesting to see if the kings are dysfunctional because of boogie or vice versa. He for sure needs to be somewhere new. Boogie is dysfunctional, the Kings are also dysfunctional. They each make the other even worse. It's a bad situation and they need to end the experiment. Might as well ship him out East where he can do some damage in the opposite conference.
There's nothing dysfunctional about Boogie.
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On June 29 2016 18:31 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 10:13 Xeris wrote:On June 26 2016 05:27 JimmiC wrote: It will be interesting to see if the kings are dysfunctional because of boogie or vice versa. He for sure needs to be somewhere new. Boogie is dysfunctional, the Kings are also dysfunctional. They each make the other even worse. It's a bad situation and they need to end the experiment. Might as well ship him out East where he can do some damage in the opposite conference. There's nothing dysfunctional about Boogie.
Unless you consider getting suspended for confronting a member of the media, pushing a security guard, low blowing OJ mayo. Or perhaps that he has been suspended by multiple coaches/general managers/coaches for action detrimental to the team. Or that when things are not going his way on the court, whether it's losing or calls he disagree's with, his effort and concentration plummet. As long as you consider that not dysfunctional you are correct. No one is questioning his talent.When he is fully engaged he is at worst a top 10 player, sadly he has other issues.
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i found a good site for tracking salary cap issues. its loosely affiliated with USA Today. http://www.spotrac.com/
now that i've had time to mull over Richard Jefferson's situation. the guy has options. if he wants to be the starting small forward for a lousy team he can do that and he'll get paid more to do that. if he wants to be the 6th or 7th man in the rotation of a title contender he can do that as well. he'll get paid less though. the guy has played in 120+ playoff games so he's got a tonne of experience.
i've been to 3 playoff games that RJ played in and the guy's decision-making was great. that is not something that diminishes with age. explosiveness can diminish with age... endurance can diminish with age. if RJ comes off the bench a reduction in endurance is a non-issue.
in the 3 playoff games i attended RJ and VC put up similar stats. RJ played much better and was a far better defender. i'm sure NBA evaluators see what RJ brings to the table in a playoff series beyond his basic stats and beyond what i could see; That is probably why teams like San Antonio, Golden State and Cleveland keep signing him as he gets further and further beyond his prime. They see what this guy can do beyond the #s in basketball-reference.com any title contender that picks up RJ in order to bring him off their bench during the playoffs is making a smart move.
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