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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9174 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-01 07:36:13
July 01 2016 02:23 GMT
#101
Yeah I'd put him 4th out of the 5 decent FA's behind Delly too, though it's debatable, which in itself speaks to RJ's unimportance. Quality research Raynor.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17546 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-01 02:32:27
July 01 2016 02:29 GMT
#102
i think he is probably Cleveland's #2 priority next to JR Smith and they'll probably use one of their exceptions to give him more than the minimum.

if he were unimportant he would not have played 56 minutes in the final 2 games. like i said for 2017 he's better than Ross and VC... and as long as guys like that get playoff minutes so will RJ.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 01 2016 03:02 GMT
#103
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17546 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-01 03:35:28
July 01 2016 03:33 GMT
#104
ah right, you think Lebron might go somewhere other than Cleveland. great. i think he stays and the deal is a formality. i kinda thought the average reader would know Lebron's resigning with Cleveland is a formality.

However, for those skeptics like the poster above me... here you go.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/agent-lebron-james-declines-option-hits-free-agency-with-intent-to-re-sign-with-cavs/

i think Lebron resigns fast making JR Smith Cleveland's #1 priority and RJ their #2 priority this off-season.

some think RJ is "lucky to catch on someplace" and i say .. RJ resigns with Cleveland and Cleveland will use one of their veteran exceptions acquired in a trade to give him a raise above the veteran minimum.
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9174 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-01 07:35:53
July 01 2016 03:37 GMT
#105
He won't get a raise.

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/6/28/12029662/nba-free-agents-list-ranking-rumors-2016-kevin-durant

RJ wasn't even on this list in February. Now he's #83, 45 spots behind Delly and 5th out of the cavs. Keep trying though.

Another from yesterday. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2648953-nba-free-agents-2016-final-top-100-big-board

No RJ in the top 100 whilst:

"44. Matthew Dellavedova, PG, RFA

Don't be fooled by Dellavedova's disappearance from the Cleveland Cavaliers' rotation during the 2016 NBA Finals. He improved dramatically throughout 2015-16, becoming a reliable spot-up shooter with quality passing chops (no, he didn't just rely on lobs to Tristan Thompson) and proper defensive positioning.

In 2014-15, he was a pest. In 2015-16, he was much more."

Just admit you don't know as much as you pretend to. RJ's FA is not even newsworthy.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-01 04:41:43
July 01 2016 03:59 GMT
#106
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
July 01 2016 04:51 GMT
#107
On July 01 2016 03:31 Djagulingu wrote:
You know it's a slow going off season when the TL thread is all about:

1- Richard Fucking Jefferson
2- Exactly how old a certain rookie is
3- Only a handful of other posts involving trades and shit.


I'd like to take credit for this. I think I even said Richard Fucking Jefferson. One interesting differences in sports is that in the NFL, a league average player is an asset, but in the NBA a league average player is a liability. That said, it's still better to have an average player instead of a below average player.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13425 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-01 05:19:57
July 01 2016 05:18 GMT
#108
Top five poison-pill contracts that will be signed this off season:

1. Demar - max deal at 5 years/$153 million. I actually do like DeMar and he improves his game each year. But he's not a franchise guy. He's an improved, but still high usage, inefficient shooting guard that can't shoot from range.

2. Harrison Barnes (sorry Harry) - will cost about $20mil per year for his max. The Warriors just can't sign him at the max for reasons beyond the cap. I genuinely think it will cause problems in the Warrors' locker room if Barnes is the highest paid player. Beyond that, I don't think he's good enough. A good team mate but not worth the investment IMO.

3. Dwight - he's allegedly asking for offers starting at $25mil per season. The guy's game is completely built around his athleticism that is quickly deteriorating. Maybe a 2 year investment for a fringe contender is worth the gamble, but no way in hell I'm investing long term in Dwight.

4. Ryan Anderson - you just know someone will sign him for $20mil+ as has been rumoured. For all his hype as an elite shooter, he's a career 37% from three and has shot 40% from three in a season only once in 8 seasons. One of the worst defensive bigs in the league.

5. Hassan Whiteside. Definitely this year's candidate for 'post-contract year tanker'. I just don't think you win championships with guys like Whiteside on your team. Despite the tempting raw stats, I'm very dubious about his actual impact on games (the numbers aren't pretty for him).
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
July 01 2016 05:20 GMT
#109
Mozgov is off the board! 4yrs 64 million to the Lakers according to woj.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
July 01 2016 05:21 GMT
#110
another star big man for the lakers!
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rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
July 01 2016 05:33 GMT
#111
jesus, this thread moved a couple pages just because people are talking about Richard Jefferson of all people.

I thought there was a huge signing/trade that happened that had everyone up in arms.
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
July 01 2016 05:35 GMT
#112
I thought everyone would be staying put this year, but I guess people think that since they are just signing one year deals, they might as well try out a new team. I wonder how many players sign with a new team, then go back to their old team next year.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
July 01 2016 05:38 GMT
#113


This makes me so happy.
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
July 01 2016 05:55 GMT
#114
That chart is a little too favorable to Mozgov imo. It only includes offensive plus minus. If you include both he's actually worse than Hibbert.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-01 06:47:38
July 01 2016 06:06 GMT
#115
I actually understand the Lakers wanting Mozgov for the 2017 and 2018. They need someone to play center and they have to sign some guys to hit the cap floor, plus the upcoming CBA/cap raise will make $16M seem fine. But I don't understand Mozgov for the 2019 or 2020 Lakers, unless you think he's going to improve or offer some veteran presence.

What it really shows is that the Lakers have no advantage with FAs anymore. They can't even get interviews with B+ guys like Whiteside, and they've got little confidence that they can land a B- guy like Biyombo.
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-01 06:12:22
July 01 2016 06:11 GMT
#116
Derozan resigns with Toronto for 5 years. We're assuming max because of how quickly the deal got done but I haven't seen the number reported yet.

Edit: 139m
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9174 Posts
July 01 2016 07:09 GMT
#117
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/07/cavs_restricted_free_agent_mat.html

Delly looking like he might finally get paid. Really solid numbers the last year, if you aren't blinded by a few playoff games.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-01 07:54:18
July 01 2016 07:13 GMT
#118
On July 01 2016 16:09 Scarecrow wrote:
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/07/cavs_restricted_free_agent_mat.html

Delly looking like he might finally get paid. Really solid numbers the last year, if you aren't blinded by a few playoff games.

I think he was injured in the playoffs.

I hope the Pistons make an offer to Delly. Austin Rivers would actually be a great target too.

EDIT: We got Ish Smith. Supposedly for 3/21M. That's pretty great.

I know there's a very strong push for Horford now, but I'm a little skeptical of how it would all work. He's been wanting to play PF but does he have the speed to defend 4's anymore?
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17546 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-01 13:42:32
July 01 2016 13:04 GMT
#119
On July 01 2016 15:11 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Derozan resigns with Toronto for 5 years. We're assuming max because of how quickly the deal got done but I haven't seen the number reported yet.
Edit: 139m

Michael Grange has it as 137.5 million over 5 years and he is reliable. and works for the same company that owns the Raptors... so that's prolly it.
Happy Canada Day Demar.

with this deal the Raptors are now over the cap but under the luxury tax and the Raptors do not own Biyombo's Bird rights.

On July 01 2016 14:35 Jerubaal wrote:
I thought everyone would be staying put this year, but I guess people think that since they are just signing one year deals, they might as well try out a new team. I wonder how many players sign with a new team, then go back to their old team next year.

i wonder if Howard is expecting a raise? and/or going back to Houston? already made a deal behind the scenes?

On July 01 2016 16:09 Scarecrow wrote:
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/07/cavs_restricted_free_agent_mat.html
Delly looking like he might finally get paid. Really solid numbers the last year, if you aren't blinded by a few playoff games.

126 career playoff games and 21 playoff games this year. the consensus is RJ was a key role player in the title run. to say otherwise is to be the "blind" you allude to in your comment and ignore how much he played.
if you want to say Michael Grange is unreliable, the raptors are not going over the cap and that they own BB's bird rights because i'm always wrong... go for it.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9174 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-01 14:47:07
July 01 2016 14:32 GMT
#120
On July 01 2016 22:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
the consensus is RJ was a key role player in the title run. to say otherwise is to be the "blind" you allude to in your comment and ignore how much he played.


He was key largely due to the cavs' roster limitations. He played more minutes because there was an increasing amount of small ball towards the end of the series with bogut hurt and with lebron at PF the cavs depth at SF is pitiful. RJ's numbers are hardly impactful. He was 61st in real +/- on the season amongst SF's (slightly ahead of epic roleplayers like McAdoo) and he's going to be another year older come next playoffs. He just filled a spot on the court with decent length/experience compensating for his age on D and occasional buckets but that isn't a rare commodity. You keep citing his playoff minutes but if you look at their roster who else is Lue meant to play if the cavs go small? You can't have excellent depth at all positions and Lebron's backup is the least important as you're all-in on Lebron being healthy and playing big minutes anyway. Though an upgrade at SF might be a priority if they want to play more small ball.

On July 01 2016 22:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
if you want to say Michael Grange is unreliable, the raptors are not going over the cap and that they own BB's bird rights because i'm always wrong... go for it.

Why would I say any of that? Just because I disagree with you occasionally doesn't mean I think all your opinions are wrong. Just don't expect any sort of validation for seemingly accurate posts about the Rap's who I have very little interest in.

Also Lin to the nets for 36 mill over 3 years! So happy that he's managed to get his career back on track after that shitshow with Scott and the Lakers.

Whiteside at 98/4. Heat have to be ecstatic with that.

Worst deal so far seems like Beal for 128
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