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RJ is a career .474 shooter in the playoffs and .520 this year.
MD is under .350 for his career and shot slightly better this year during this alleged `injury`.
it ain't even close between these 2 guys.
On July 02 2016 12:27 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2016 11:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On July 02 2016 10:11 Scarecrow wrote:On July 02 2016 06:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
this development sort of lines up with my belief that JR Smith and RJ are the Cavs top priorities.
So the cavs deciding to not match a massive pay rise on delly's contract means RJ's more of a priority? Man you're desperate. If RJ by some miracle gets an offer with a pay increase anywhere near Delly's there's 0 chance the cavs match. during last year's magical playoff run.. did Delly even shoot 35%? LOL did he shoot 35% this year? I can't blame Lue for not using MD because the guy can't hit the side of a barn door with his 3 point shot; u gotta spread the floor in the playoffs with as many 3 point threats as possible... and MD just can't hit 3s. Delly rolled his ankle vs the raps and clearly wasnt 100%.
Delly has had 40+ games to prove what he could do in the playoffs. The Cavs know better than any of us how good he is. And, they are letting him go as he enters the prime of his career even though they possess his bird rights and can match if they choose.
as far as relating how good a player is to the percentage of the salary cap they occupy or their actual salary that's laughable. JR Smith made $5 million last year.
Greivis Vásquez another part of that amazing 33 win Buck team made more money than JR Smith last year. Does this mean Greivis Vásquez is better than JR Smith? no, it does not.
Does this mean the 2016-7 MD is better than the 2015-6 JR Smith because MD takes up more cap space? no it does not.
players like JR Smith, LBJ , and Wade have all accepted lower pay to be on a championship level team. Richard Jefferson did the same thing last year and if he signs with cleveland will do so again. In the era of salary caps in all leagues players accept less cash than they are worth to go for a ring.
MD played maybe 25 critical minutes in the Raptors series and hardly played at all against Golden State when it mattered. Lue has no use for MD in important situations.
On July 02 2016 12:27 Scarecrow wrote:
If RJ by some miracle gets an offer with a pay increase anywhere near Delly's there's 0 chance the cavs match.
An offer sheet becomes public knowledge because MD is a restricted free agent. We won't know what offers RJ gets and refuses because he is an unrestricted free agent. We won't know what RJ is offered.
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On July 03 2016 04:27 JimmiC wrote:
And regardless of how you want to spin it he was a bit player on the team and will be worse next year, that is how age works.
i'm not spinning it. i'm presenting #s. 56 minutes in 2 elimination games against one of the most lethal offenses in NBA history. 56 minutes is not a "bit player"... you can spin it that way if you like. When the Cavs were on the verge of elimination last year and MD was in a big starring role due to a bunch of injuries MD played 25 minutes. When the chips are down the Cavs have always kept MD out of the line up as much as possible because he is not shooting threat.
However, this is getting repetitive. I'd rather talk about current signings than this stuff. I find the situation in Miami a lot more interesting.
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Biyombo to Orlando !!! Rip
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zzzz.
for his defense. on top of that 44/84 in the playoffs. when in his entire NBA career has MD gone 44/84? much less in the playoffs. MD closed at the previous year's playoffs 5/27 in his starring role. No wonder the Cavs let him go.
it was the Cavaliers defense that won the title. the GSW were never held to 190 points over 2 games until Lue put his best team out there for all 48 minutes. and that team shut the GSW's down. and RJ was on the floor for more than half of it due to his defense. MD was the bit player during all that.
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On July 03 2016 03:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
players like JR Smith, LBJ , and Wade have all accepted lower pay to be on a championship level team. Richard Jefferson did the same thing last year and if he signs with cleveland will do so again.
He literally accepted the same pay last year to move from Dallas to Cleveland. Stop making shit up.
Citing career stats to support a 37 yr old's value is also typically desperate. How about a recent stat, 1/4 shooting 2 pts in game 7 in 25 minutes, +/- of -8 in a win? He also averaged less than an assist per game in the playoffs. Channing Frye shot 56% from 3 but all it means is he got hot at the right time, teams understand low volume playoff %'s aren't important. You also flip flop between saying the numbers don't represent RJ's value when we link his empty stat lines then cherrypick %'s to support your argument.
Clearly NBA teams know Delly's real value and he's getting paid accordingly. You continually ignored every rank that put Delly far above RJ in FA relevance. The analysts (who know more than you) seem to grasp RJ's highly limited value (he's barely mentioned anywhere) at his age and his ability to contribute but you seem blinded by the few games you saw him live and the highly advanced metric of seeing a couple of smart plays made vs your team.
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Dallas will offer Harrison Barnes a 4 year max contract. HB is a restricted free agent. In order for GSW to match it'll put them over the cap, but under the luxury tax threshold. Next year Curry is a free agent and his contract will put them right up against or over the cap again next year.
tough to develop any depth when you're up against the cap with your top 6 guys.
On July 03 2016 11:46 Scarecrow wrote:
Clearly NBA teams know Delly's real value and he's getting paid accordingly.
yep, Delly is worth 10% of the cap on a 33 win team and worthless to a championship team with his bird rights. Wade accepted far less than his real value to get LBJ and Bosh paid and on board. It happens on championship level teams all the time so relating pay to player quality is hazardous at best.
During Delly's big star year he went 15-53 from the field in the finals while RJ went 16-31 in the finals and sometimes taking 20 minutes between shots. Its a lot harder to maintain your decision making with so much infrequent opportunity. They're not close.
I'm more interested to see what is going on in Miami though. Miami's starters are more interesting than Cleveland's bench.
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Arguing with you is pointless. It must be nice twisting any circumstance to support your opinions and never being wrong.
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and this " Stop making shit up." is unacceptable. if i've err-ed in a fact presented correct it without this aggro silliness. dishonest debate is not my thing.
i've presented dozens of facts. its possible 1 might be incorrect.
i'm not into "arguing"; honest debate is fine. if MD blossoms into a starting point guard.. good for the Bucks... and kudos to you for seeing something others could not.
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I love how you talk about honest debate then twist my argument to Delly being starter material. WP.
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On July 03 2016 12:47 Scarecrow wrote:
I love how you talk about honest debate then twist my argument to Delly being starter material. WP.
i bring up him becoming a starter because if he does he'll clearly be more valuable than a bench player. if RJ falls flat in next year's playoffs MD will also prove more valuable if he continues on his current career arc.
Kevin Durant will make his decision in 24 to 36 hours from now.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16716022/kevin-durant-tells-teams-free-agency-decision-come-next-24-36-hours
he has met with "Oklahoma City, Golden State, San Antonio, Boston and the Los Angeles Clippers. His final meeting is Sunday with the Miami Heat." If KD doesn't sign with Miami does Captain Wade go down with the ship? 
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On July 01 2016 14:18 RowdierBob wrote:
Top five poison-pill contracts that will be signed this off season:
1. Demar - max deal at 5 years/$153 million. I actually do like DeMar and he improves his game each year. But he's not a franchise guy. He's an improved, but still high usage, inefficient shooting guard that can't shoot from range.
Demar's deal is not a max contract. Its very close though. Demar is getting $24,173,913 next year and there is probably a cap-ologist someplace who can explain how this provides the Raptors with some kind of added convenience while costing DD very little. this deal is (24,173,913)/(30.6) of a poison pill. imo, its bad, but not a poison pill. Toronto is at or slightly below the cap.
On July 01 2016 14:18 RowdierBob wrote:
2. Harrison Barnes (sorry Harry) - will cost about $20mil per year for his max. The Warriors just can't sign him at the max for reasons beyond the cap. I genuinely think it will cause problems in the Warrors' locker room if Barnes is the highest paid player. Beyond that, I don't think he's good enough. A good team mate but not worth the investment IMO.
Barnes is being offered $24M/year for 4 years. Basically, a max deal. If GSW matches they are over the cap this year. and it'll force them over the cap next year when they re-sign Curry. All their cap space will be tied up in 6 guys. Ouch.
On July 01 2016 14:18 RowdierBob wrote:
3. Dwight - he's allegedly asking for offers starting at $25mil per season. The guy's game is completely built around his athleticism that is quickly deteriorating. Maybe a 2 year investment for a fringe contender is worth the gamble, but no way in hell I'm investing long term in Dwight.
Atlanta just traded Al Horford for Dwight Howard. DH is getting 23.5 million over 3 years. Atlanta is at the cap with this deal.
On July 01 2016 14:18 RowdierBob wrote:
5. Hassan Whiteside. Definitely this year's candidate for 'post-contract year tanker'. I just don't think you win championships with guys like Whiteside on your team. Despite the tempting raw stats, I'm very dubious about his actual impact on games (the numbers aren't pretty for him).
the way its looking Whiteside might end up playing with half the Sioux Falls team. Its bad enough when you pay ~$25M to a player worth $10M, but when you have a $25M total wildcard on your team...damn. Miami is in a very bad place until Bosh either (a) retires or (b) magically returns to 100% health and never has a blood clot issue again. even if (b) happens you'll constantly be worried his season could end at any time.
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the only thing not leaving Miami are Chris Bosh and his blood thinner medication.
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I'm pretty shocked Horford chose Celtics over the Wizards. He chose a team of role players over a team with basically 2 all stars, Wall and Beal, that were a top 4 east team for 2 years, and actually have a good center so Horford could've played the 4.
People must be REALLY against Scott Brooks. I bet the Wiz are kicking themselves for getting Brooks. They picked up Mahini and Trey Burke and a few other solid pieces. They definitely improved but sucks that they struck out on every big name.
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