EPTIt's offseason time, officially! The first trades are going down, and the Draft is tomorrow. Bury the past and prepare for the future: DISCUSS!
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Xeris
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It's offseason time, officially! The first trades are going down, and the Draft is tomorrow. Bury the past and prepare for the future: DISCUSS! | ||
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imBLIND
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DystopiaX
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Getting lopez probably means that Noah and possibly Gasol aren't coming back, which does leave the bulls with cap room. The problem is, almost every team in the league has cap room, and who would want to come to the Bulls to play with this garbage front office, incompetent training staff that misdiagnoses/exacerbates injuries, and a 2nd year coach in Hoiberg? And what FA could you possibly pick up that gives you as much potential for winning in the East as Rose? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
On June 23 2016 09:34 DystopiaX wrote: pissed about the d rose trade. I get the rumors about chemistry issues, and if it's between Rose and Butler you pick Butler, but getting Lopez, Grant, Calderon is garbage. Calderon is a solid 16 mpg off the bench point guard.AND a big part of the Spanish national team! If the Bulls ask nicely he might find some time to fit them into his busy schedule. | ||
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rebdomine
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Or will the Bulls just blow the whole roster up? | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On June 23 2016 09:34 DystopiaX wrote: pissed about the d rose trade. I get the rumors about chemistry issues, and if it's between Rose and Butler you pick Butler, but getting Lopez, Grant, Calderon is garbage. I know Rose is on an expiring, but after his eye shit cleared up he played pretty well. And even if you're set on trading him, there's no reason not to exercise patience and at least hunt around for better offers. At least get a pick or something. Getting lopez probably means that Noah and possibly Gasol aren't coming back, which does leave the bulls with cap room. The problem is, almost every team in the league has cap room, and who would want to come to the Bulls to play with this garbage front office, incompetent training staff that misdiagnoses/exacerbates injuries, and a 2nd year coach in Hoiberg? And what FA could you possibly pick up that gives you as much potential for winning in the East as Rose? It feels like a lose-lose trade. I get that Lopez is on a great contract and they wanted Grant, but where does that put them? They seem just so-so, at the moment. And the Knicks... so they pick up Rose and maybe Dwight and do what with them? I guess it's a better win-now gamble than the Nets' with Pierce and Garnett, but it doesn't seem much better. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13007 Posts
On June 23 2016 09:34 DystopiaX wrote: pissed about the d rose trade. I get the rumors about chemistry issues, and if it's between Rose and Butler you pick Butler, but getting Lopez, Grant, Calderon is garbage. I know Rose is on an expiring, but after his eye shit cleared up he played pretty well. And even if you're set on trading him, there's no reason not to exercise patience and at least hunt around for better offers. At least get a pick or something. Getting lopez probably means that Noah and possibly Gasol aren't coming back, which does leave the bulls with cap room. The problem is, almost every team in the league has cap room, and who would want to come to the Bulls to play with this garbage front office, incompetent training staff that misdiagnoses/exacerbates injuries, and a 2nd year coach in Hoiberg? And what FA could you possibly pick up that gives you as much potential for winning in the East as Rose? I'm going the opposite way. I think this was a bad trade for the Knicks. They gave up their third best asset in RoLo, a guy that actually has value across the league, for a broken Rose who is barely playable in the NBA now. I like Rose, I really do, but he's at that same point TMac was when he had all his knee problems. His entire game is based on athleticism he doesn't have anymore. What NBA skill does Rose bring to the table now? He can't shoot, he's an unspectacular passer, he's a very inefficient scorer and his speed/athleticism has fallen off a cliff. Worst of all his usage is still insanely high for his woeful production level: he was 24th in the league last year for usage. That puts him ahead of guys like Kemba, Klay, Kawhi, LMA, Lowry, Towns, Butler, Marc Gasol etc. The Knicks are taking a massive punt that he can recapture the magic that was last seen well over three seasons ago now. RoLo is hardly taking them to the promised land, but he's a good player that contributes and moves the needle. Rose hasn't done that in a long time and I doubt he will for the Knicks. Not the mention this is just a move that is taking touches away from Porzingis and potentially harming his growth as a player too. | ||
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RowdierBob
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Post All-Star Games: 21 Mins: 30.9 Pts: 17.4 FG%: .468 3pt%: .375 FTs: averaged only 2.4 FTs a game on 78% shooting Rebs: 3.1 Ast: 4.6 TO: 2.6 Doesn't look so bad? Consider he had the highest usage on his team. He was one of five guys in the top 50 of usage that had an off rating below 100. The others were Kobe, Schroeder, Mudiay and Ish Smith. And this for a guy whose value is supposed to be on offence. This is just another in a line of bad moves from a Knicks franchise that has never had the discipline to build a winning NBA team. They keep making the same mistakes over and over. | ||
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Xeris
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I'm praying for KD2DC... or for the Wizards to swing a trade for Boogie to reunite him + Wall | ||
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NovaTheFeared
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RowdierBob
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Scarecrow
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RowdierBob
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Unfortunately the latter looks far more likely. If the Knicks has the cajones they'd offer Melo to Boston for the #3 and Brooklyn's unprotected pick next year and see if they bite. This way they could actually build around Porzingis and some young talent. Instead it's just the same old crap from them. They just never learn. You can't 'win-now' in the NBA like they're trying to do unless you sign one of maybe four guys who are untouchable: Lebron, Curry, Durant or Davis. | ||
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DystopiaX
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On June 23 2016 12:46 RowdierBob wrote: I'm going the opposite way. I think this was a bad trade for the Knicks. They gave up their third best asset in RoLo, a guy that actually has value across the league, for a broken Rose who is barely playable in the NBA now. I like Rose, I really do, but he's at that same point TMac was when he had all his knee problems. His entire game is based on athleticism he doesn't have anymore. What NBA skill does Rose bring to the table now? He can't shoot, he's an unspectacular passer, he's a very inefficient scorer and his speed/athleticism has fallen off a cliff. Worst of all his usage is still insanely high for his woeful production level: he was 24th in the league last year for usage. That puts him ahead of guys like Kemba, Klay, Kawhi, LMA, Lowry, Towns, Butler, Marc Gasol etc. The Knicks are taking a massive punt that he can recapture the magic that was last seen well over three seasons ago now. RoLo is hardly taking them to the promised land, but he's a good player that contributes and moves the needle. Rose hasn't done that in a long time and I doubt he will for the Knicks. Not the mention this is just a move that is taking touches away from Porzingis and potentially harming his growth as a player too. having watched those games our entire team was a mess, his assist numbers are low because half our 3pt shooters can't make open shots, his FT numbers are low because he doesn't get calls (in reddit threads even opposing teams agreed that he was getting hammered and no calls) and he was generally the only one trying at all on the Bulls. His jumper also showed signs of improvement around february or so when he said that his eye wasn't bothering him anymore. I think the move is fine for the Knicks because they still have caproom to swing for dwight or pau (or settle for Noah), they didn't give up any picks at all so it doesn't sabotage their future at all. Either D Rose works out (and if he doesn't get injured I think he will) or he doesn't and you gave up very little on a gamble that could potentially pay off very well. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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It's a good risk trade for the Knicks and a good rebuilding trade for the Bulls. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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Edit: The Knicks well the deal makes a bit more sense now. With or Without this deal the Knicks are a long overhaul project. With this deal the Knicks have a small probability of becoming really good quickly. That small probability is equal to the probability of Derrick Rose returning to being 85+% as good as he was in his MVP year. The Knicks can then tempt free agents with a healthy ball distributor and lots of cap space to spend. If Rose sucks the Knicks are the same position as they were a week ago. A long term overhaul project. Kudos to the Knicks for taking this riverboat gamble. At least they are trying something. To quote Ayn Rand, the most important intellectual of the 20th century : "stillness is the antithesis of life". | ||
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ticklishmusic
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On June 23 2016 15:00 RowdierBob wrote: If Rose pans out it will of course be a brilliant move by the Knicks. But if he still sucks then they're in a pickle: do you let him walk for nothing (and waste the RoLo asset) or double down on your belief he still has 'it' and re-sign him to a ridiculous contract that he'll no doubt demand. Unfortunately the latter looks far more likely. If the Knicks has the cajones they'd offer Melo to Boston for the #3 and Brooklyn's unprotected pick next year and see if they bite. This way they could actually build around Porzingis and some young talent. Instead it's just the same old crap from them. They just never learn. You can't 'win-now' in the NBA like they're trying to do unless you sign one of maybe four guys who are untouchable: Lebron, Curry, Durant or Davis. Yeah, the Knicks front office is stupid. They don't have the patience to build a proper winning team and are mortgaging their future for at best a second round playoff exit. | ||
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Jerubaal
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On June 23 2016 07:47 imBLIND wrote: IF KD moves to golden state, I'm gonna be pretty pissed. It feels like the collection of talent in the NBA is becoming more and more concentrated. | ||
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imBLIND
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On June 24 2016 04:23 Jerubaal wrote: It feels like the collection of talent in the NBA is becoming more and more concentrated. I blame/hate Lebron for starting that. | ||
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NovaTheFeared
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JonnySC2
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Well there have been big threes before the Heat, but I agree that KD on the Wariorrs would be overkill. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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 there was a 31 year old playing in Windsor claiming he was 17... his defense "i didn't know i was 31" http://www.businessinsider.com/canadian-high-school-basketball-star-accused-of-being-30-years-old-2016-4 i wonder how old this guy really is? | ||
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MassHysteria
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Edit: and unexpected picks | ||
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rebdomine
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icystorage
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Xeris
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DystopiaX
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On June 24 2016 09:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote: you go to a Canadian prep school to disguise your age .. there was a 31 year old playing in Windsor claiming he was 17... his defense "i didn't know i was 31" http://www.businessinsider.com/canadian-high-school-basketball-star-accused-of-being-30-years-old-2016-4 i wonder how old this guy really is? There's a reddit thread where a dude posted a yearbook photo of thon maker while he was in Australia, his classmates are all 22-23 now lol. Ibaka to orlando for oladipo, ilyasova, and rights to sabonis. Like it a lot for OKC tbh, now that both adams and kanter have turned out to be good big men. | ||
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Scarecrow
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icystorage
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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On June 24 2016 10:51 DystopiaX wrote: There's a reddit thread where a dude posted a yearbook photo of thon maker while he was in Australia, his classmates are all 22-23 now lol. Ibaka to orlando for oladipo, ilyasova, and rights to sabonis. Like it a lot for OKC tbh, now that both adams and kanter have turned out to be good big men. lol Dominican Republic baseball players like to start their careers with the Toronto Blue Jays. they play out their first contract and eligibility time and then sign that big deal iwth a US team when they are still young and up and coming 24 year olds (except they're really 31). its not so bad now.. .but in the 1990s GMs basically didn't believe the age of any Domincan player in the Blue Jays system. | ||
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JimmiC
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jmbthirteen
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On June 24 2016 11:33 Scarecrow wrote: I just don't see how you get enough touches between oladipo, wb and durant. Then do you bench roberson and worsen your defence even further after losing Ibaka's rim protection? Oladipo is a pretty strong defender. | ||
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Jibba
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Taf the Ghost
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On June 24 2016 13:41 Jibba wrote: So even though the Magic got horribly ripped off, the Kings are still the worst organization in the league. Holy shit. You know, for as much skill as the Businessmen have for making hundreds of millions or billions, we've long understood that the same competence doesn't translate to the teams they own. They all have to learn, but some really don't. So there will always be a "Kings" in every professional sport. As for Talent concentration, this isn't actually new. The Lakers pretty much made this their entire system for 30 years. There's really only ever about 4 teams each year that have a shot at the title, and more than a few years the title is dictated by one key player getting injured. (KG in 2009 being the most recent example that comes to mind.) Though it's really still fascinating how the Title really depends on having 2-3 Stars and then guys #4 through 7 being extremely good in their roles. This is why LeBron & Bosh went to Miami. Their own teams didn't have a chance of acquiring enough supremely competent other talent to push them over the edge. Though the modern version was set off by the Boston Celtics, it should be noted. Big 3, anyone? | ||
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Xeris
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On June 24 2016 15:48 Taf the Ghost wrote: You know, for as much skill as the Businessmen have for making hundreds of millions or billions, we've long understood that the same competence doesn't translate to the teams they own. They all have to learn, but some really don't. So there will always be a "Kings" in every professional sport. As for Talent concentration, this isn't actually new. The Lakers pretty much made this their entire system for 30 years. There's really only ever about 4 teams each year that have a shot at the title, and more than a few years the title is dictated by one key player getting injured. (KG in 2009 being the most recent example that comes to mind.) Though it's really still fascinating how the Title really depends on having 2-3 Stars and then guys #4 through 7 being extremely good in their roles. This is why LeBron & Bosh went to Miami. Their own teams didn't have a chance of acquiring enough supremely competent other talent to push them over the edge. Though the modern version was set off by the Boston Celtics, it should be noted. Big 3, anyone? 04-06 pistons being a notable exception, but otherwise, yes. Perhaps the 2011 Mavs as well, they really had Dirk + role players. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/casey-freudian-slip-demar-comes-back/ its more than just this slip up, but i'm too lazy to post 10 other things. | ||
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MassHysteria
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On June 24 2016 13:41 Jibba wrote: So even though the Magic got horribly ripped off, the Kings are still the worst organization in the league. Holy shit. I came to type something to this effect. What are the Magic and Kings doing?!? Also, the Pistons quietly had a nice draft ^^. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On June 24 2016 04:23 Jerubaal wrote: It feels like the collection of talent in the NBA is becoming more and more concentrated. nah, if anything there is more parity than ever before in the East. I can't speak for the west because i don't watch it enough to comment. the Raptors, Heat, and Pacers are 1 really good player away from competing with Cleveland. For the Raptors that 1 good player might be JV. Tall athletes take a long while to develop and often improve by leaps and bounds even when they are 24 or 25. JV just turned 24. Had Bosh been 100% healthy and playing at a top level do the Heat take Cleveland to 7? Had Lowry and JV been 100% the Raptors have a reasonable chance at taking Cleveland to 7. I'm not sure why Atlanta can't handle Cleveland in the playoffs but they are good as well... and really only 1 player away from winning the Eastern Conference in 2017. imo, the eastern conference Cleveland is favoured but by no means are they unstoppable. 1 key player gets hurt and there are several teams that can beat them. i'll have more on this later when i cover the shifting trend of NBA teams developing their own players. The NBA is becoming more like MLB in this respect and i think its great. Fuck the NCAA. | ||
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Jerubaal
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ticklishmusic
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On June 25 2016 04:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote: nah, if anything there is more parity than ever before in the East. I can't speak for the west because i don't watch it enough to comment. the Raptors, Heat, and Pacers are 1 really good player away from competing with Cleveland. For the Raptors that 1 good player might be JV. Tall athletes take a long while to develop and often improve by leaps and bounds even when they are 24 or 25. JV just turned 24. Had Bosh been 100% healthy and playing at a top level do the Heat take Cleveland to 7? Had Lowry and JV been 100% the Raptors have a reasonable chance at taking Cleveland to 7. I'm not sure why Atlanta can't handle Cleveland in the playoffs but they are good as well... and really only 1 player away from winning the Eastern Conference in 2017. imo, the eastern conference Cleveland is favoured but by no means are they unstoppable. 1 key player gets hurt and there are several teams that can beat them. i'll have more on this later when i cover the shifting trend of NBA teams developing their own players. The NBA is becoming more like MLB in this respect and i think its great. Fuck the NCAA. Atlanta went into rebuilding mode though. It'll be a couple years before they back at it. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On June 25 2016 07:41 Jerubaal wrote: Maybe, but it felt like there were some shining seasons when teamwork and strategy could overcome brute talent and athleticism....and then it just devolved into a free agent arms race again. it might do that. lots of big market teams will have lots of money to spend. This is mitigated now more than ever due to the importance of developing 19-22 year olds on your D-league team though. So the New York Yankees always outspent the Tampa Bay Rays by 4 to 1. The Rays were much better at developing pitchers and so they competed very successfully against New YOrk while spending not much. Obviously, the importance of development in the NBA is nowhere near MLB levels. So as extreme an example like NYY and TBR is not possible in the NBA. However, the 2 leagues are getting closer on the importance of development than ever before. Development is now at least a small factor in an NBA team's success. 20+ years ago it was irrelevent. | ||
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Jibba
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On June 25 2016 02:04 MassHysteria wrote: I came to type something to this effect. What are the Magic and Kings doing?!? Also, the Pistons quietly had a nice draft ^^. Yeah, I can live with our guys. Ellenson's defense is the biggest concern but to get him at 18 is quite nice. Even if he's a backup 4, I can live with that. It's Andre's improvement we're really counting on. | ||
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Xeris
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The Kings drafted 2 centers... and they already have Cauley-Stein and Koufos. The writing is on the wall. Anyways... ya that's my pipe dream for this offseason, would be sick to see Wall and Boogie back on the same team | ||
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JimmiC
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Xeris
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On June 26 2016 05:27 JimmiC wrote: It will be interesting to see if the kings are dysfunctional because of boogie or vice versa. He for sure needs to be somewhere new. Boogie is dysfunctional, the Kings are also dysfunctional. They each make the other even worse. It's a bad situation and they need to end the experiment. Might as well ship him out East where he can do some damage in the opposite conference. | ||
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Scarecrow
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JimmyJRaynor
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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16513711 the only real question is : will this be a 5 year deal giving the Raptors the bird exemption from the cap? | ||
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Xeris
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On June 26 2016 22:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote: further confirming all the previous info i've provided. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16513711 the only real question is : will this be a 5 year deal giving the Raptors the bird exemption from the cap? Thanks for providing this info | ||
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Xeris
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Regardless of whether or not he's 19 like he claims or 23, the fact is he's athletically gifted and what he can do at his height is pretty enticing. If you imagine that every player has a finite number of 'miles' with which to play basketball with, Maker at 23 has used substantially less miles than let's say Ingram at 19. Ingram has played high level organized ball since he was a kid, and been developing skills for many years. Maker was probably serving around school yards until only a few years ago. The only difference is that in the 2-3 years it'll take him to develop he'll be older than someone like Ingram will be. If you imagine that a player peaks from 27-30, and a long NBA career takes you to about 35, Maker still has a 12 year career ahead of him. If you can get him for 12 years and he reaches his potential, I don't really see how him starting at 19 or 23 really matters... | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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Most male athletes 6 feet tall and under peak at a substantially lower age. Many shorter athletes peak from age 22-24. Lying about age may only have a small impact, in this case, as you've indicated. However, this kind of deception can be huge in other cases. Basically, the taller you are the later you peak as an athlete. | ||
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MassHysteria
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Morey had been pretty open about not wanting Dwight anymore months ago too(which speaks volumes). It didn't surprise me when they hired D'Antoni as coach for that same reason. Whiteside to LA is very possible. He is still young enough and not-rich-enough to be solely looking at contenders. They have to (and prob should) make him their top target and offer him his max (which is still less than Horford's) so they have a good chance. I am glad Mike Brown is back in the league. He was never given a fair chance in LA, and he is by no means a bad coach. | ||
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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how about a 30 year old pretending to be 17. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/basketball/the-facts-in-jonathan-nicolas-case-are-sometimes-a-bit-hazy/article29813704/ both Maker and Nicola are Sudanese. Basically, if you are a helpless under-18 refugee from what Canada considers to be a "poor country" you can get in here pretty easily as long as you're polite during the interview. | ||
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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you half reading my stuff is more comedy. if its not hockey.. Canada is a good place to hide your age because no one cares enough about other sports to do some big investigation. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16569878/cleveland-cavaliers-gm-david-griffin-says-plan-keep-team-together I wonder if that includes signing Richard Jefferson. He played well this playoff season and he always murdered teh Raptors in the playoffs. Anyone can look up his #s so i won't post 'em. Outside of his stats.. the guy is just a really good, smart well rounded basketball player. if he cashes in due to the 2016 playoffs.. good for him. He is an important free agent. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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any user can look up the links that any other user posts... not sure what your point is here. i'm not supposed to post links? whatever teh deal is ... take it to PM. did u actually watch the 12 playoffs games where Jefferson opposed the Raptors? or are you just reading a stat sheet? the guy is good and he is good in the playoffs; he is a smart player. sry no link.. you'll just have to take my word for it.. and Tyron Lue's line up decisions as a reference. he'd be a good 20 minute a game guy on any playoff team... as he was this year. he was a smart acquisition by Cleveland last year. watching Jefferson's smart decision-making mangle the Raptors repeatedly through 12 playoff games i was not surprised to see Tyron Lue use Jefferson for 32 and 25 minutes in games 6 and 7 of the NBA Finals this year. | ||
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Scarecrow
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On June 29 2016 07:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote: he'd be a good 20 minute a game guy on any playoff team... as he was this year. a few games having an impact in a good situation... you're massively overrating the guy | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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there is more to the game than the offensive #s u parroted. and i referred to 12 games not 6.further, he is also a good defender. he'll be a good 20-minute a game guy on any team. he was good enough for the NBA champs last year. he'll continue to be good. most of the stuff i say here can't be backed by #s. Like Lowry's mismanagement of his injuries. There are no stats for that. you'll just have to take my word for it. On June 29 2016 08:56 Scarecrow wrote: Jefferson is not an important FA, he's been irrelevant for a long time and one playoff burst isn't going to change much, especially at his age. Wouldn't be surprised if he fake-retired just to get some leverage, cause no other team's going to pay him much. I still remember him being fucking awful on the spurs and that was 4 years ago. He'll get a delly contract at best. a few games having an impact in a good situation... you're massively overrating the guy are you saying he was lousy this year? i did not say he was BIll Russell or LBJ. if he is good enough for 25 and 32 minutes in games 6 and 7 between the 2 best teams in the NBA. he'll be good enough for 20 minutes a game next year. if he is healthy the guy is good. Tyron Lue said so.. not with his words.. but with his actions. look for him to play 20+ minutes a game next year if he chooses to come back. do not change or twist what i've said. i did not say he'd be a premier starter carrying a team through the playoffs... so do not claim i'm saying that. i'm not. if my team makes the playoffs in 2017 a guy like RJ is a good role player. On June 29 2016 08:56 Scarecrow wrote: He'll get a delly contract at best. RJ will probably get the same deal as last year or a bit better. i'd like to see the guy cash-in though. On June 29 2016 09:16 JimmiC wrote: I'm not taking your word for anything because clearly you don't know much. i only really follow the Raptors... and so far the few knock-down drag-em-out 50 post debates about the raptors have proven i know the team. i'm not the one who said the raptors are the worst 56 win team ever.... and i stated in 2015 the raptors were merely a slightly above average team when they went 28-13 and everyone was all gah-gah over them....Cleveland//Toronto goes 6 with Lowry healthy etc etc etc. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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did i say he is a premier starter? i said he will be a good 20 minute a game guy. my stance has not changed. his offensive playoff stats in 2016 speak for themselves. the guy was good. if he wasn't Lue would never have had him out there in games 6 and 7. the only thing stopping RJ from having another season like this one is too many drugs and too much partying. if the guy takes care of himself he'll be really good as a playoff role player again. Kudos to Cleveland for picking him up in 2015. On June 29 2016 10:23 JimmiC wrote: And as far as the Raptors go, they are a good but not great team in the weaker conference. Yes they took the Cavs to 6 but they did get humiliated in a couple of the games. They have some promise but they for sure need additions especially at the power forward spot if they wish to compete (and retain DeRozan). i guess the difference is.. i make the comments before the games are played. not after. i've already covered whether or not they are going to retain Derozan. Casey already said so. The picture below proves Thon Maker is 19. This was taken in 2007 when he was 10. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rXH2HIQ.jpg) | ||
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Ace
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The picture below proves Thon Maker is 19. This was taken in 2007 when he was 10. hahahahahahahaha | ||
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On June 26 2016 10:13 Xeris wrote: Boogie is dysfunctional, the Kings are also dysfunctional. They each make the other even worse. It's a bad situation and they need to end the experiment. Might as well ship him out East where he can do some damage in the opposite conference. There's nothing dysfunctional about Boogie. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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http://www.spotrac.com/ now that i've had time to mull over Richard Jefferson's situation. the guy has options. if he wants to be the starting small forward for a lousy team he can do that and he'll get paid more to do that. if he wants to be the 6th or 7th man in the rotation of a title contender he can do that as well. he'll get paid less though. the guy has played in 120+ playoff games so he's got a tonne of experience. i've been to 3 playoff games that RJ played in and the guy's decision-making was great. that is not something that diminishes with age. explosiveness can diminish with age... endurance can diminish with age. if RJ comes off the bench a reduction in endurance is a non-issue. in the 3 playoff games i attended RJ and VC put up similar stats. RJ played much better and was a far better defender. i'm sure NBA evaluators see what RJ brings to the table in a playoff series beyond his basic stats and beyond what i could see; That is probably why teams like San Antonio, Golden State and Cleveland keep signing him as he gets further and further beyond his prime. They see what this guy can do beyond the #s in basketball-reference.com any title contender that picks up RJ in order to bring him off their bench during the playoffs is making a smart move. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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Is Dwight Howard looking for a raise in pay? or is he just trying to get into a better situation that pays similar money? | ||
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No one has befuddled Popovich like Jefferson. The Spurs are dumbfounded about how to reach him, how to use him, how to get him to play fluid, mistake-free basketball." From Yahoo Sports. This was when he was getting 14 mill a year... So stop bringing up the Spurs, he was a mistake. Also you keep mentioning the warriors but they weren't a contender either when they picked him up, neither were the other teams like Utah and Dallas that had him for a year each before he joined the cavs. So it's really only the cavs who saw something in him, like decent value and a good fit with their roster. If he was so valuable why did he spend time on 4 teams in 4 years as his bloated contract got handed around, before finally ending up on the minimum in dallas? The answer: noone was that interested in keeping him, and once his bad contract ended noone was rushing to pick him up, even at the minimum. Lue also had limited options and went with the best he had, it's not like they're spoiled for choice in that position. If Lebron is at PF who the hell do you play instead of jefferson? Dahntay Jones? RJ's a cheap 3 & d vet who doesn't do much else and is something like the cavs 10th best player. He just wants to end his career chasing rings rather than being garbage on a tanker. He's decent for 1 mill but nowhere near as important as you're making out, otherwise he wouldn't have ended up in Dallas 2 seasons ago playing for nothing. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On July 01 2016 00:37 Scarecrow wrote: No one has befuddled Popovich like Jefferson. The Spurs are dumbfounded about how to reach him, how to use him, how to get him to play fluid, mistake-free basketball." RJ was re-inventing his game during a transition period. When you change a lot you get worse for a time before you get better. ...56 minutes in games 6 and 7 of the finals... as long as guys like Vince Carter and Terrence Ross get the minutes they get on playoff teams there will be place for RJ on a playoff basketball team. RJ is not a long term solution for any team. He is a short team contributor to a team looking to shore up their bench. And, if he wants he can try and be a starter on a weak team. If he cashes in .. all the more power to him. in the 2017 playoffs i'd take RJ over Terrence Ross every day. He is flat out, end of story a better basketball player than Ross. Keep in mind Ross greatly improved as a defender over the past year. Maybe in 3 years Ross will be a better player. Maybe. RJ was a better player than VC 10 years ago and he is still better today. I guess that's why VC's #1 playoff memory is a graduation ceremony at UNC and RJ has 126 playoff games to his name. I'm too lazy to go through the 6 through 8 rotation players on every team in the NBA. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sLxRUYW.jpg) any how, regarding the impending free agent feeding frenzy. supposedly this cap tracker chart will be updated in real time... http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/ July 7 will be a good test of their "real time updating". renounce at 12:01 and sign a free agent at 12:02? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On July 01 2016 02:37 JimmiC wrote: He never murdered anyone in the playoffs in the last 10 years. every game i go to he eats the raptors for lunch... including the 2007 playoffs. 56 minutes squelching the offense of a 73-9 team is more than a "mildly useful bench player". here is a good article written about RJ before game 6 of the finals. http://www.sbnation.com/2016/6/16/11951890/richard-jefferson-cavaliers-highlights-stats-nba-finals-2016 | ||
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On July 01 2016 02:37 JimmiC wrote: He never murdered anyone in the playoffs in the last 10 years. | ||
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my stance has not changed. Lue was smart to play RJ for 56 minutes in games 6 and 7 of the Finals and RJ will be a good addition to any playoff team next year. have fun twisting and turning it into whatever you like... you can twist perception.. reality won't budge. | ||
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Djagulingu
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1- Richard Fucking Jefferson 2- Exactly how old a certain rookie is 3- Only a handful of other posts involving trades and shit. | ||
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Scarecrow
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On July 01 2016 02:56 JimmyJRaynor wrote: you can twist perception.. reality won't budge. So when I talk about his irrelevance for the last 5 years it's 'twisting perception' and his play in 2 playoff games is 'reality'. I should remember to not dispute Jimmy's opinion aka 'reality'. I guess I'm also 'twisting perception' when I mention RJ was a -8 in game 7 (though he was better in game 6) and scored 5 points TOTAL in 56 minutes. What an important piece! He's simply not a good enough defender to justify that output. Besides he's far from the first bench player to impact a series for a few games (and it wasn't even significant). Anyway, you're delusional if you think you win arguments on here through anything other than stubborn attrition. WP. edit: oh a quote from that article you linked to support your RJ argument "On the rare occasion in which Jefferson looks like a poor man's Iguodala, it's only because the ineptitude of some of his teammates makes him shine. He's not late-career Grant Hill. This is not a new beginning. Far from it." looool | ||
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this all started with me asking if Cleveland will retain RJ after reading the GM wants to "keep this group together". Unfortunately, not much content was directed towards that question. i think how RJ was used by the coaching staff of the NBA champions speaks to his value as a player far more than anything i can't put in a forum post. | ||
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after doing a bit of digging i think signing JR Smith is Cleveland's #1 priority and signing RJ is their #2 priority. furthermore, i've discussed many issues in my last 10 posts and all you want to do is talk about me and RJ. I've done my research and i have a pretty good idea of what Cleveland's priorities are headed into the free agent period. On July 01 2016 09:58 JimmiC wrote: Actually I did answer it. Maybe a 1 year minimum and I've said it numerous times. For some reason this enraged you, intill later you said same as last contact, which was in fact a 1 year minimum. Maybe you contest and what you read or write? great rebuttal thx for your input in this question. u outlined his common popular stats very nicely.i think he re-signs with Cleveland. | ||
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if he were unimportant he would not have played 56 minutes in the final 2 games. like i said for 2017 he's better than Ross and VC... and as long as guys like that get playoff minutes so will RJ. | ||
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However, for those skeptics like the poster above me... here you go. http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/agent-lebron-james-declines-option-hits-free-agency-with-intent-to-re-sign-with-cavs/ i think Lebron resigns fast making JR Smith Cleveland's #1 priority and RJ their #2 priority this off-season. some think RJ is "lucky to catch on someplace" and i say .. RJ resigns with Cleveland and Cleveland will use one of their veteran exceptions acquired in a trade to give him a raise above the veteran minimum. | ||
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http://www.sbnation.com/2016/6/28/12029662/nba-free-agents-list-ranking-rumors-2016-kevin-durant RJ wasn't even on this list in February. Now he's #83, 45 spots behind Delly and 5th out of the cavs. Keep trying though. Another from yesterday. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2648953-nba-free-agents-2016-final-top-100-big-board No RJ in the top 100 whilst: "44. Matthew Dellavedova, PG, RFA Don't be fooled by Dellavedova's disappearance from the Cleveland Cavaliers' rotation during the 2016 NBA Finals. He improved dramatically throughout 2015-16, becoming a reliable spot-up shooter with quality passing chops (no, he didn't just rely on lobs to Tristan Thompson) and proper defensive positioning. In 2014-15, he was a pest. In 2015-16, he was much more." Just admit you don't know as much as you pretend to. RJ's FA is not even newsworthy. | ||
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On July 01 2016 03:31 Djagulingu wrote: You know it's a slow going off season when the TL thread is all about: 1- Richard Fucking Jefferson 2- Exactly how old a certain rookie is 3- Only a handful of other posts involving trades and shit. I'd like to take credit for this. I think I even said Richard Fucking Jefferson. One interesting differences in sports is that in the NFL, a league average player is an asset, but in the NBA a league average player is a liability. That said, it's still better to have an average player instead of a below average player. | ||
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1. Demar - max deal at 5 years/$153 million. I actually do like DeMar and he improves his game each year. But he's not a franchise guy. He's an improved, but still high usage, inefficient shooting guard that can't shoot from range. 2. Harrison Barnes (sorry Harry) - will cost about $20mil per year for his max. The Warriors just can't sign him at the max for reasons beyond the cap. I genuinely think it will cause problems in the Warrors' locker room if Barnes is the highest paid player. Beyond that, I don't think he's good enough. A good team mate but not worth the investment IMO. 3. Dwight - he's allegedly asking for offers starting at $25mil per season. The guy's game is completely built around his athleticism that is quickly deteriorating. Maybe a 2 year investment for a fringe contender is worth the gamble, but no way in hell I'm investing long term in Dwight. 4. Ryan Anderson - you just know someone will sign him for $20mil+ as has been rumoured. For all his hype as an elite shooter, he's a career 37% from three and has shot 40% from three in a season only once in 8 seasons. One of the worst defensive bigs in the league. 5. Hassan Whiteside. Definitely this year's candidate for 'post-contract year tanker'. I just don't think you win championships with guys like Whiteside on your team. Despite the tempting raw stats, I'm very dubious about his actual impact on games (the numbers aren't pretty for him). | ||
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This makes me so happy. | ||
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What it really shows is that the Lakers have no advantage with FAs anymore. They can't even get interviews with B+ guys like Whiteside, and they've got little confidence that they can land a B- guy like Biyombo. | ||
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Delly looking like he might finally get paid. Really solid numbers the last year, if you aren't blinded by a few playoff games. | ||
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On July 01 2016 16:09 Scarecrow wrote: http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/07/cavs_restricted_free_agent_mat.html Delly looking like he might finally get paid. Really solid numbers the last year, if you aren't blinded by a few playoff games. I think he was injured in the playoffs. I hope the Pistons make an offer to Delly. Austin Rivers would actually be a great target too. EDIT: We got Ish Smith. Supposedly for 3/21M. That's pretty great. I know there's a very strong push for Horford now, but I'm a little skeptical of how it would all work. He's been wanting to play PF but does he have the speed to defend 4's anymore? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On July 01 2016 15:11 NovaTheFeared wrote: Derozan resigns with Toronto for 5 years. We're assuming max because of how quickly the deal got done but I haven't seen the number reported yet. Edit: 139m Michael Grange has it as 137.5 million over 5 years and he is reliable. and works for the same company that owns the Raptors... so that's prolly it. Happy Canada Day Demar. with this deal the Raptors are now over the cap but under the luxury tax and the Raptors do not own Biyombo's Bird rights. On July 01 2016 14:35 Jerubaal wrote: I thought everyone would be staying put this year, but I guess people think that since they are just signing one year deals, they might as well try out a new team. I wonder how many players sign with a new team, then go back to their old team next year. i wonder if Howard is expecting a raise? and/or going back to Houston? already made a deal behind the scenes? On July 01 2016 16:09 Scarecrow wrote: http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/07/cavs_restricted_free_agent_mat.html Delly looking like he might finally get paid. Really solid numbers the last year, if you aren't blinded by a few playoff games. 126 career playoff games and 21 playoff games this year. the consensus is RJ was a key role player in the title run. to say otherwise is to be the "blind" you allude to in your comment and ignore how much he played. if you want to say Michael Grange is unreliable, the raptors are not going over the cap and that they own BB's bird rights because i'm always wrong... go for it. | ||
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On July 01 2016 22:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote: the consensus is RJ was a key role player in the title run. to say otherwise is to be the "blind" you allude to in your comment and ignore how much he played. He was key largely due to the cavs' roster limitations. He played more minutes because there was an increasing amount of small ball towards the end of the series with bogut hurt and with lebron at PF the cavs depth at SF is pitiful. RJ's numbers are hardly impactful. He was 61st in real +/- on the season amongst SF's (slightly ahead of epic roleplayers like McAdoo) and he's going to be another year older come next playoffs. He just filled a spot on the court with decent length/experience compensating for his age on D and occasional buckets but that isn't a rare commodity. You keep citing his playoff minutes but if you look at their roster who else is Lue meant to play if the cavs go small? You can't have excellent depth at all positions and Lebron's backup is the least important as you're all-in on Lebron being healthy and playing big minutes anyway. Though an upgrade at SF might be a priority if they want to play more small ball. On July 01 2016 22:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote: if you want to say Michael Grange is unreliable, the raptors are not going over the cap and that they own BB's bird rights because i'm always wrong... go for it. Why would I say any of that? Just because I disagree with you occasionally doesn't mean I think all your opinions are wrong. Just don't expect any sort of validation for seemingly accurate posts about the Rap's who I have very little interest in. Also Lin to the nets for 36 mill over 3 years! So happy that he's managed to get his career back on track after that shitshow with Scott and the Lakers. Whiteside at 98/4. Heat have to be ecstatic with that. Worst deal so far seems like Beal for 128 | ||
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On July 01 2016 15:06 Jibba wrote: I actually understand the Lakers wanting Mozgov for the 2017 and 2018. They need someone to play center and they have to sign some guys to hit the cap floor, plus the upcoming CBA/cap raise will make $16M seem fine. But I don't understand Mozgov for the 2019 or 2020 Lakers, unless you think he's going to improve or offer some veteran presence. What it really shows is that the Lakers have no advantage with FAs anymore. They can't even get interviews with B+ guys like Whiteside, and they've got little confidence that they can land a B- guy like Biyombo. I just don't understand... nobody else was gunning for Mozgov; giving him 16/year is stupid for 4 years. If they were just trying to reach the floor this year b/c they knew they were striking out on most FA's, they should have just offered him like a 1 year deal at 20 million or something stupid. If they wanted him at 4 years; they could have probably gotten him for ~12/year which would have been pretty reasonable in light of the ridiculous cap. I have no clue what's going on with the Lakers. Hell, they could have just re-signed Hibbert at ~12-13/year and that would've been better. Hibbert is also a good locker room dude, so he's got that going for him. On the flip side; snagging Clarkson at 4/50 is insanely good work. | ||
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On July 02 2016 02:24 Xeris wrote: I just don't understand... nobody else was gunning for Mozgov; giving him 16/year is stupid for 4 years. If they were just trying to reach the floor this year b/c they knew they were striking out on most FA's, they should have just offered him like a 1 year deal at 20 million or something stupid. If they wanted him at 4 years; they could have probably gotten him for ~12/year which would have been pretty reasonable in light of the ridiculous cap. I have no clue what's going on with the Lakers. Hell, they could have just re-signed Hibbert at ~12-13/year and that would've been better. Hibbert is also a good locker room dude, so he's got that going for him. On the flip side; snagging Clarkson at 4/50 is insanely good work. Mostly agree with what you said. Ever since Dwight and Pau left, there have been very few things appealing about LA to free agents.. I'm pretty sad about the inflated cap room that is making mozgov 16/year for 4 years....3mil more a year was Pau, and I don't think Mozgov is worth nearly that kind of money. | ||
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The Cleveland Cavaliers have lost more basketball players than the Cleveland Indians have lost baseball games since the Cavs won the NBA title. Cleveland... city of champions. | ||
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- Parsons to Memphis (kinda expected) - Delly to Bucks (expected) - Al Jefferson to Pacers (nice) | ||
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On July 02 2016 06:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Lebron congratulated Dellavedova via twitter so i guess he will sign with the Bucks. gratz to him he deserves to be in a situation that gives him more playing time. this development sort of lines up with my belief that JR Smith and RJ are the Cavs top priorities. (and of course they are going to resign LBJ) The Cleveland Cavaliers have lost more basketball players than the Cleveland Indians have lost baseball games since the Cavs won the NBA title. Cleveland... city of champions. Well, Delly is a Restricted Free Agent, so he's getting at least $38 million, one way or the other. The guy was making just over $1 mil per season, so he just got himself a pretty huge pay increase. (Not Whiteside levels, but more than enough to be set for life.) But it's unlikely Cleveland matches, even though that's about the right price for the guy. He's a solid back-up PG that'll give you a strong 25-minutes per game. That's worth 10% of your total cap space. | ||
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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-suspends-bucks-o-j-mayo-two-years-for-violating-anti-drug-program/ | ||
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On July 02 2016 06:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote: this development sort of lines up with my belief that JR Smith and RJ are the Cavs top priorities. So the cavs deciding to not match a massive pay rise on delly's contract means RJ's more of a priority? Man you're desperate. If RJ by some miracle gets an offer with a pay increase anywhere near Delly's there's 0 chance the cavs match. | ||
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I'm not sure if the Big O realized that he went from "didn't get a single first place vote" to "everyone who didn't vote for Lebron first (which is everyone) should be kicked out . | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On July 02 2016 10:11 Scarecrow wrote: So the cavs deciding to not match a massive pay rise on delly's contract means RJ's more of a priority? Man you're desperate. If RJ by some miracle gets an offer with a pay increase anywhere near Delly's there's 0 chance the cavs match. during last year's magical playoff run.. did Delly even shoot 35%? LOL did he shoot 35% this year? Re: the bucks. OJ Mayo just got suspended. Greivis Vasquez is prolly gone. The 33-win Bucks have to spend money to hit the salary floor of $85 million. if the new salary floor of $85 million this year and around $100 million next year has helped a career bench player like MD earn a bit more cash playing for a 33 win team... great. the world champions are focused on winning playoff games in 2017 and repeating as champions. they are not focused on hitting the salary floor and filling out their roster with players who may or may not develop into somewhat better players. the world champs are focused on now. MD is a priority to the Cavs to the extent of his minutes granted by Lue in the playoffs. He is not useless. However, both JR Smith and Richard Jefferson are more important. JRS > RJ > MD according to their playoff minutes. Furthermore, RJ is not the be-all and end-all of players. He also is a priority to the extent of his usefulness the playoffs. JR Smith is more important than Jefferson. I can't blame Lue for not using MD because the guy can't hit the side of a barn door with his 3 point shot; u gotta spread the floor in the playoffs with as many 3 point threats as possible... and MD just can't hit 3s. Cleveland is going for a championship next year and the 33 win Bucks are not. | ||
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On July 02 2016 11:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote: during last year's magical playoff run.. did Delly even shoot 35%? LOL did he shoot 35% this year? I can't blame Lue for not using MD because the guy can't hit the side of a barn door with his 3 point shot; u gotta spread the floor in the playoffs with as many 3 point threats as possible... and MD just can't hit 3s. Delly rolled his ankle vs the raps and clearly wasnt 100%. The cavs not matching a massive raise also says very little about their priorities, regardless of how much you try to spin it. It means even less when you consider keeping Delly would cost more than $24 million a season if you add in luxury tax considerations (http://factoryofsadness.co/2016/06/29/nba-free-agency-5-potential-landing-spots-for-matthew-dellavedova/). So unless RJ's worth more than that, this development does nothing to support your crush on him. You also look like an idiot saying a 41% regular season 3 pt shooter can't hit the side of a barn door. Shooting is streaky and I'll take a season's worth of data and suggest he can actually hit barn doors. Last playoffs doesn't even count, he was on a roster with no firepower in a much larger role, and even Lebron's FG% took a big hit. These playoffs he was likely hurt and couldn't (not can't) get hot. Danny Green held the record for playoff series' 3 pt shooting but has also had some horrificly cold playoff runs. It's called being a shooter and small playoff sample sizes make the %'s fairly meaningless. Jefferson was forced to play more due to Lebron moving to PF and the cavs having no other decent SF options, which I've said several times cause you keep bringing up minutes like it means something other than Lue being stuck having to play a cheap low impact vet (due to salary cap restricting their depth) who surprisingly had a decent run (not even backed up by the numbers) after years of irrelevance. Good luck finding any ranking/analyst that thinks RJ is worth more than Delly. | ||
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MD is under .350 for his career and shot slightly better this year during this alleged `injury`. it ain't even close between these 2 guys. On July 02 2016 12:27 Scarecrow wrote: Delly rolled his ankle vs the raps and clearly wasnt 100%. Delly has had 40+ games to prove what he could do in the playoffs. The Cavs know better than any of us how good he is. And, they are letting him go as he enters the prime of his career even though they possess his bird rights and can match if they choose. as far as relating how good a player is to the percentage of the salary cap they occupy or their actual salary that's laughable. JR Smith made $5 million last year. Greivis Vásquez another part of that amazing 33 win Buck team made more money than JR Smith last year. Does this mean Greivis Vásquez is better than JR Smith? no, it does not. Does this mean the 2016-7 MD is better than the 2015-6 JR Smith because MD takes up more cap space? no it does not. players like JR Smith, LBJ , and Wade have all accepted lower pay to be on a championship level team. Richard Jefferson did the same thing last year and if he signs with cleveland will do so again. In the era of salary caps in all leagues players accept less cash than they are worth to go for a ring. MD played maybe 25 critical minutes in the Raptors series and hardly played at all against Golden State when it mattered. Lue has no use for MD in important situations. On July 02 2016 12:27 Scarecrow wrote: If RJ by some miracle gets an offer with a pay increase anywhere near Delly's there's 0 chance the cavs match. An offer sheet becomes public knowledge because MD is a restricted free agent. We won't know what offers RJ gets and refuses because he is an unrestricted free agent. We won't know what RJ is offered. | ||
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Joe Johnson signed with Utah. That's a big loss for Miami. JJ is another guy tough on the Raptors in the playoffs. at 34 it'll be interesting to see how many years he can play at the level he played at during the 2nd half of the 2015-2016 regular season and the playoffs. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16691520/joe-johnson-utah-jazz-reach-agreement-two-year-deal-worth-22-million-according-multiple-reports i wonder what, if anything, Miami will do about this? is this a sign that Wade is leaving? is Bosh going to play next year? lots of questions for Miami and no answers. i think Wade is gone. | ||
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On July 03 2016 04:27 JimmiC wrote: And regardless of how you want to spin it he was a bit player on the team and will be worse next year, that is how age works. i'm not spinning it. i'm presenting #s. 56 minutes in 2 elimination games against one of the most lethal offenses in NBA history. 56 minutes is not a "bit player"... you can spin it that way if you like. When the Cavs were on the verge of elimination last year and MD was in a big starring role due to a bunch of injuries MD played 25 minutes. When the chips are down the Cavs have always kept MD out of the line up as much as possible because he is not shooting threat. However, this is getting repetitive. I'd rather talk about current signings than this stuff. I find the situation in Miami a lot more interesting. | ||
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for his defense. on top of that 44/84 in the playoffs. when in his entire NBA career has MD gone 44/84? much less in the playoffs. MD closed at the previous year's playoffs 5/27 in his starring role. No wonder the Cavs let him go. it was the Cavaliers defense that won the title. the GSW were never held to 190 points over 2 games until Lue put his best team out there for all 48 minutes. and that team shut the GSW's down. and RJ was on the floor for more than half of it due to his defense. MD was the bit player during all that. | ||
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Scarecrow
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On July 03 2016 03:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote: players like JR Smith, LBJ , and Wade have all accepted lower pay to be on a championship level team. Richard Jefferson did the same thing last year and if he signs with cleveland will do so again. He literally accepted the same pay last year to move from Dallas to Cleveland. Stop making shit up. Citing career stats to support a 37 yr old's value is also typically desperate. How about a recent stat, 1/4 shooting 2 pts in game 7 in 25 minutes, +/- of -8 in a win? He also averaged less than an assist per game in the playoffs. Channing Frye shot 56% from 3 but all it means is he got hot at the right time, teams understand low volume playoff %'s aren't important. You also flip flop between saying the numbers don't represent RJ's value when we link his empty stat lines then cherrypick %'s to support your argument. Clearly NBA teams know Delly's real value and he's getting paid accordingly. You continually ignored every rank that put Delly far above RJ in FA relevance. The analysts (who know more than you) seem to grasp RJ's highly limited value (he's barely mentioned anywhere) at his age and his ability to contribute but you seem blinded by the few games you saw him live and the highly advanced metric of seeing a couple of smart plays made vs your team. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
tough to develop any depth when you're up against the cap with your top 6 guys. On July 03 2016 11:46 Scarecrow wrote: Clearly NBA teams know Delly's real value and he's getting paid accordingly. yep, Delly is worth 10% of the cap on a 33 win team and worthless to a championship team with his bird rights. Wade accepted far less than his real value to get LBJ and Bosh paid and on board. It happens on championship level teams all the time so relating pay to player quality is hazardous at best. During Delly's big star year he went 15-53 from the field in the finals while RJ went 16-31 in the finals and sometimes taking 20 minutes between shots. Its a lot harder to maintain your decision making with so much infrequent opportunity. They're not close. I'm more interested to see what is going on in Miami though. Miami's starters are more interesting than Cleveland's bench. | ||
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Scarecrow
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
i've presented dozens of facts. its possible 1 might be incorrect. i'm not into "arguing"; honest debate is fine. if MD blossoms into a starting point guard.. good for the Bucks... and kudos to you for seeing something others could not. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
On July 03 2016 12:47 Scarecrow wrote: I love how you talk about honest debate then twist my argument to Delly being starter material. WP. i bring up him becoming a starter because if he does he'll clearly be more valuable than a bench player. if RJ falls flat in next year's playoffs MD will also prove more valuable if he continues on his current career arc. Kevin Durant will make his decision in 24 to 36 hours from now. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16716022/kevin-durant-tells-teams-free-agency-decision-come-next-24-36-hours he has met with "Oklahoma City, Golden State, San Antonio, Boston and the Los Angeles Clippers. His final meeting is Sunday with the Miami Heat." If KD doesn't sign with Miami does Captain Wade go down with the ship? | ||
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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On July 01 2016 14:18 RowdierBob wrote: Top five poison-pill contracts that will be signed this off season: 1. Demar - max deal at 5 years/$153 million. I actually do like DeMar and he improves his game each year. But he's not a franchise guy. He's an improved, but still high usage, inefficient shooting guard that can't shoot from range. Demar's deal is not a max contract. Its very close though. Demar is getting $24,173,913 next year and there is probably a cap-ologist someplace who can explain how this provides the Raptors with some kind of added convenience while costing DD very little. this deal is (24,173,913)/(30.6) of a poison pill. imo, its bad, but not a poison pill. Toronto is at or slightly below the cap. On July 01 2016 14:18 RowdierBob wrote: 2. Harrison Barnes (sorry Harry) - will cost about $20mil per year for his max. The Warriors just can't sign him at the max for reasons beyond the cap. I genuinely think it will cause problems in the Warrors' locker room if Barnes is the highest paid player. Beyond that, I don't think he's good enough. A good team mate but not worth the investment IMO. Barnes is being offered $24M/year for 4 years. Basically, a max deal. If GSW matches they are over the cap this year. and it'll force them over the cap next year when they re-sign Curry. All their cap space will be tied up in 6 guys. Ouch. On July 01 2016 14:18 RowdierBob wrote: 3. Dwight - he's allegedly asking for offers starting at $25mil per season. The guy's game is completely built around his athleticism that is quickly deteriorating. Maybe a 2 year investment for a fringe contender is worth the gamble, but no way in hell I'm investing long term in Dwight. Atlanta just traded Al Horford for Dwight Howard. DH is getting 23.5 million over 3 years. Atlanta is at the cap with this deal.On July 01 2016 14:18 RowdierBob wrote: 5. Hassan Whiteside. Definitely this year's candidate for 'post-contract year tanker'. I just don't think you win championships with guys like Whiteside on your team. Despite the tempting raw stats, I'm very dubious about his actual impact on games (the numbers aren't pretty for him). the way its looking Whiteside might end up playing with half the Sioux Falls team. Its bad enough when you pay ~$25M to a player worth $10M, but when you have a $25M total wildcard on your team...damn. Miami is in a very bad place until Bosh either (a) retires or (b) magically returns to 100% health and never has a blood clot issue again. even if (b) happens you'll constantly be worried his season could end at any time. | ||
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JimmiC
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Masheyoon
United States781 Posts
https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/749677729507733504］ [/url] So if this means what I think it means, barring an injury to Curry or Durant during the playoffs, how's any team supposed to beat GSW? | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
People must be REALLY against Scott Brooks. I bet the Wiz are kicking themselves for getting Brooks. They picked up Mahini and Trey Burke and a few other solid pieces. They definitely improved but sucks that they struck out on every big name. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On July 04 2016 08:17 Xeris wrote: I'm pretty shocked Horford chose Celtics over the Wizards. I'm not, the Celtics look far closer to contending (not to mention their extra assets). I'd take Avery Bradley over Beal any day (a real stretch calling him an all-star). Wall is great but overall the Celtics work far better as a team and showed it last season. The East improved as well in 2015/16 and the wiz couldn't keep up. Boston'll be really scary with Horford anchoring them. And yeah Brad Stevens is light years ahead of Brooks in terms of coaching. Tyler Johnson for 50 mill seems like a bit of a stretch. Was he that good on Miami? | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13007 Posts
On July 04 2016 04:30 Masheyoon wrote: [/url]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/749674050994057216 https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/749677729507733504］ https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/749677729507733504 So if this means what I think it means, barring an injury to Curry or Durant during the playoffs, how's any team supposed to beat GSW? It would be ridiculous. You'd have three of the five best shooters in the nba on one team (I guess korver and reddick are the others). Perhaps their only weakness could be depth if they have to trade guys to accommodate Durant and then fill out the roster on the cheap. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13007 Posts
Sadly if the Durant deal does go down my man bogues is gone  | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
I guess it makes sense for him to go after rings, but still... | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On July 05 2016 00:47 ticklishmusic wrote: I don't think it works. Unless they changed the rules, there's still only one ball on the court. I mean it kinda worked with a ballhog like WB so I don't see why it wouldnt in GSW's offense. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
KD to Warriors broke the site. Just crazyy. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Scarecrow
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HelpMeGetBetter
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
I have to see how the rest of their roster shakes out though. I had no idea they even had the money to do this. can they keep everyone except barnes/bogut? I would say bogut is easily replacable a year or two ago but now its been decided centers are super valuable I guess. They will need to rely on a bad center/rookie signing? not sure how that works out. I will wait until I see the final roster to see how stupid this team will be | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Anyway, good riddance to Barnes. I hope he enjoys whatever hilariously large contract that the Mavs are supposed throwing his way. Bogut may be more replaceable than we think after his latest injury. | ||
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JimmiC
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jmbthirteen
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blobrus
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On July 05 2016 00:43 Roggay wrote: What the fuck Durant? I guess it makes sense for him to go after rings, but still... It's a legacy ruiner, even more than the decision was for Lebron. At least Lebrons Cleveland teams were actually shit. KD just admitted that even with ANOTHER TOP PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE ON HIS TEAM he isn't good enough to win. I truly wish the league would just block this move for absolutely no real reason, this is disgusting. Go Lebron I guess. | ||
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JimmiC
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Masheyoon
United States781 Posts
Now then..... LMAO | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
now that the biggest domino has fallen it'll be interesting to see how fast the rest of the dominoes fall. | ||
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Masheyoon
United States781 Posts
The internet is the most wonderful place in the world. | ||
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blobrus
4297 Posts
On July 05 2016 03:28 Masheyoon wrote: It's not fair to flame Durant, in my opinion. The man wants championships under his belt and he joined the team that would best ensure his chances of that happening. Anyone of you (I think, lol) would do the same including me. It's entirely fair to flame Durant. It's a bitch move from a beta player. | ||
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Masheyoon
United States781 Posts
On July 05 2016 04:14 blobrus wrote: It's entirely fair to flame Durant. It's a bitch move from a beta player. Is it a bitch move because he lost to GS? Or is it because they're a 73-win team? Supposedly he's been considering a move to GS for some time now, so I don't see why that would matter. Is what Lebron did really that different? They both joined super teams because they wanted to win. I mean, if I were a professional athlete obsessed with winning, I'd want to go to the top team as well. | ||
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blobrus
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On July 05 2016 04:25 Masheyoon wrote: Is it a bitch move because he lost to GS? Or is it because they're a 73-win team? Supposedly he's been considering a move to GS for some time now, so I don't see why that would matter. Is what Lebron did really that different? They both joined super teams because they wanted to win. I mean, if I were a professional athlete obsessed with winning, I'd want to go to the top team as well. Yes it's a bitch move because he joined a team that he choked against in the WCF and in doing so admitted he isn't good enough to be a champion even with a legitimate MVP candidate on his team. Lebron's move was at least motivated by the fact that Cleveland constantly failed to surround him with any semblance of a talented/decent roster. Compare the Cleveland teams LBJ played on to the OKC teams KD played on, it's no contest. While I don't particularly like what Lebron did at least its understandable because Cleveland gave him a bunch of bums to play with, KD left because of his pathetic "if you can't beat em join em" beta mentality. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On July 05 2016 00:47 ticklishmusic wrote: I don't think it works. Unless they changed the rules, there's still only one ball on the court. the same thing was said when the Heatles was formed. granted they only won 2 out of the 4 years, but this time, the Splash family is a lot better and more expectations riding on their backs. 75-7 seasons and championships | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 05 2016 04:48 trinxified wrote: the same thing was said when the Heatles was formed. granted they only won 2 out of the 4 years, but this time, the Splash family is a lot better and more expectations riding on their backs. 75-7 seasons and championships Bosh basically had to reinvent himself as a player. And Miami would be a one ring team if it weren't for that 3pter... I could be wrong though. I know a lot less about basketball than most folks here, but I'm feeling Lakers more than Heat here. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
On July 05 2016 04:48 trinxified wrote: the same thing was said when the Heatles was formed. granted they only won 2 out of the 4 years, the Heat never really dominated. they deserved to be champs, but no one should mistake any of the Heat teams with the '96 Bulls. 1 of those 2 championships was a 7 game cliff hanger... and the next year they won they were down 3-2 to Boston in the ECF. with 8 players locked up GSW is $6M under the Cap.... i guess that is why they had to unload Bogut. http://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap/ | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On July 05 2016 04:46 blobrus wrote: Yes it's a bitch move because he joined a team that he choked against in the WCF and in doing so admitted he isn't good enough to be a champion even with a legitimate MVP candidate on his team. Lebron's move was at least motivated by the fact that Cleveland constantly failed to surround him with any semblance of a talented/decent roster. Compare the Cleveland teams LBJ played on to the OKC teams KD played on, it's no contest. While I don't particularly like what Lebron did at least its understandable because Cleveland gave him a bunch of bums to play with, KD left because of his pathetic "if you can't beat em join em" beta mentality. Skip Bayless, is that you? In all seriousness, though, I'm following Brazil news because I had a few investments there. Between Zika, muggings, possible terrorist attacks and all sorts of potential shit, I'd be very nervous if I was the Warriors. They have three players there and it's going to be a shit show. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
On July 05 2016 04:46 blobrus wrote: Yes it's a bitch move because he joined a team that he choked against in the WCF and in doing so admitted he isn't good enough to be a champion even with a legitimate MVP candidate on his team. Lebron's move was at least motivated by the fact that Cleveland constantly failed to surround him with any semblance of a talented/decent roster. Compare the Cleveland teams LBJ played on to the OKC teams KD played on, it's no contest. While I don't particularly like what Lebron did at least its understandable because Cleveland gave him a bunch of bums to play with, KD left because of his pathetic "if you can't beat em join em" beta mentality. Lol it is pretty childish of you to call him a bad player for wanting to join a good team. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
On July 05 2016 05:32 andrewlt wrote: Skip Bayless, is that you? In all seriousness, though, I'm following Brazil news because I had a few investments there. Between Zika, muggings, possible terrorist attacks and all sorts of potential shit, I'd be very nervous if I was the Warriors. They have three players there and it's going to be a shit show. the only thing that can stop the Zika virus right now is a good immune system. i think the most entertaining sports are ones with "dynasty teams"//"dominant champions" in them. Watching the GSW was fun this year...every regular season game became an event. MMA got more mainstream coverage than it ever has because of Ronda Rousey. The New England Patriots draw either lovers or haters. The New York Yankees have been baseball's #1 draw for decades ...watching them lose to the low budget Tampa Rays( run by the #1 mind in baseball)? talk about sweet. On the other hand, the NHL has so much parity (and so little scoring) its boring. Next year should be fun to watch. | ||
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JimmiC
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zulu_nation8
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On July 05 2016 08:33 zulu_nation8 wrote: wonder how they're gonna get a decent center to replace bogut, they got bodied pretty hard by adams/kanter. they just signed Zaza for 2.9 million. there u go! | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
On July 05 2016 06:55 JimmiC wrote: JimmyJ bringing out those "facts" again. in the last 8 years there have been only 4 cup winners with Chi winning 3 La 2 pens 2 and Bruins 1 Compare that to NBA with 6 different champions and the NFL with 8 different. MLB with 6 (giants 3 other teams each 1) So if dynasties turn you on should be into hockey and the Blackhawks with the MLB second. NHL has had 14 champs in the last 23 years with 1 repeat in those 23 years. .. Detroit in '97 and '98. NBA has the Lakers and Bulls 3-peat. Miami, Lakers and Rockets repeating in that time span. Every NHL team loses at least 25+ games a year. This year the most "dominant" NHL team lost 26 games. Last year 29 games. Every year more and more games end in a tie. and every year any one of 8 teams is 1 hot goalie away from an "improbable" run to the finals. That's parity. This is nothing like the NBA. Nothing. The NHL has not seen a team like the Golden State Warriors or the mid-90s Bulls or even teh 2000 Lakers since the gretzky-Oilers of the 80s. When has there been so much hype and focus around regular season games except during the '96 Bulls and '16 Warriors amazing runs? Never. The NHL has not seen anything like that since the 1978 Montreal Canadiens( TL has a user named Cam Connor.. btw). Parity is boring. I like a league with a super elite team or the UFC when it has an amazing champion that wins in brutal one-sided fashion. And judging by the NBA and UFC's growth... so do other people. its not like i'm alone here. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On July 05 2016 04:46 blobrus wrote: Yes it's a bitch move because he joined a team that he choked against in the WCF and in doing so admitted he isn't good enough to be a champion even with a legitimate MVP candidate on his team. Lebron's move was at least motivated by the fact that Cleveland constantly failed to surround him with any semblance of a talented/decent roster. Compare the Cleveland teams LBJ played on to the OKC teams KD played on, it's no contest. While I don't particularly like what Lebron did at least its understandable because Cleveland gave him a bunch of bums to play with, KD left because of his pathetic "if you can't beat em join em" beta mentality. You're absolutely right. It's a totally "beta" (you ought to be ashamed for even using this term. What is wrong with you?) to be given several options of winning a championship and picking the best one out of the lot. How dare he do that right? A super competitive guy take every chance he's got to win generally speaking. Beta mentality or not... Seriously who uses beta anymore? You know what though? This r/nba/ style flaming shit show aside you're kidding yourself if the NBA actually wants parity. Nobody actually wants parity if you're interested in sports. Sure, they say they do, but they really don't judging by how the ratings shoot up when super teams are formed. There is a reason those 96 Bulls had such an insane rating. There is a reason why good super style teams like Barcelona and Real Madrid fill up stadiums. People love the super team. An equal amount love to watch them crash and burn. So sit back and fucking relax already. You're either about to see the best basketball you have ever seen this season or you're going to see what should be the greatest basketball team in history crash and burn in glorious flames. Either appeals to me personally. It's not as if Durant owes me anything. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
On July 05 2016 10:43 Jayme wrote: There is a reason those 96 Bulls had such an insane rating. There is a reason why good super style teams like Barcelona and Real Madrid fill up stadiums. People love the super team. An equal amount love to watch them crash and burn. So sit back and fucking relax already. You're either about to see the best basketball you have ever seen this season or you're going to see what should be the greatest basketball team in history crash and burn in glorious flames. from what i've read ... and heard from older relatives ...there was nearly a parade after the '96 Raptors beat the Bulls in a regular season game... its party time in Toronto.. teh Raptors won a regular season game! lol | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Don't be surprised if the team is around .500 at Christmas. Also, their defense will have to be changed around as well. | ||
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giftdgecko
United States2126 Posts
Dude made a decisions for championships, can't help but think this limits his potential legacy. Either way it's pretty weak after his previous tweets and choking at the end this year. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On July 05 2016 11:59 Taf the Ghost wrote: Don't be surprised if the team is around .500 at Christmas. Also, their defense will have to be changed around as well. That would be utterly shocking. I'll ask to change my ID to Taf the God if you're right. Also in my mind it's way worse than what Lebron did. He left a shitty team to form his own team. Durant's leaving a contender to join an established, historically great, championship team and the MVP that just beat him. It's weak af and severely tarnishes any legacy he hopes to create. | ||
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icystorage
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here's one of the reasons, LeBron left the cavs at that time because it didnt have the proper support he needed. Compared to the current OKC line up you have a prime westbrook, serviceable bench on Kanter Co., Dipo at the 2 and an up and coming young star(?) on Adams and yet he bailed. given that LeBron went to the Heat with Bosh and Wade, the heat were not a historically 73-win team | ||
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JimmiC
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trifecta
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Advantageous
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16647240/nba-free-agency-2016-latest-news-buzz-rumors its pretty unrealistic to ask someone to track all this stuff.... maybe the OP could add this link though? if anyone else cares that is. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10506 Posts
On July 05 2016 14:19 trifecta wrote: I'm in the pro-super team camp. It's going to be entertaining as hell and I can't blame a player for maximizing their chance to win a championship. It goes to show how fragile a championship capable team/window is... OKC cheaped out on Harden and their window to win shrunk considerably. Now KD's gone and the odds that Westbrook leaves next year is high. Makes you wish the league was half as big and talent would be more concentrated. What if LBJ signed a minimum contract with the Warriors? | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
![[image loading]](https://lisahavennews.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/bob3.jpg) An artist's impression of GS's big 4 | ||
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BlackJack
United States10506 Posts
The up-side is that he will probably win some more rings but let's be honest, the warriors probably would have won more championships even without Durant. The biggest question that is yet to be answered is whether the '16-'17 Warriors will be Curry's team or Durant's team. Curry may go from being the biggest thing in the league to being Westbrook 2.0. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
isn't this legacy talk sorta putting the cart before the (4) horse(men). this comment is not just aimed at the post above... i'm hearing more about everybody's "legacy" than i am about actual basketball. just play some damn basketball. win 3 or 4 or 5 championships in a row.. go to the finals 8 out of 10 years... do something first.. then let's talk legacy. On July 05 2016 15:17 Scarecrow wrote: An artist's impression of GS's big 4 isn't that just the standard 4 horsemen of the apocalypse? Death ( extreme right) , Famine, War ( guy with teh sword) & Conquest ( extreme left). here is the real 4 horsemen here..Flair, Blanchard, Anderson, and some other guy. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 05 2016 12:35 Scarecrow wrote: That would be utterly shocking. I'll ask to change my ID to Taf the God if you're right. Also in my mind it's way worse than what Lebron did. He left a shitty team to form his own team. Durant's leaving a contender to join an established, historically great, championship team and the MVP that just beat him. It's weak af and severely tarnishes any legacy he hopes to create. I'll hold you to that if it happens. But I said "[d]on't be surprised" as it's a decent possibility, not a high likelihood. The previous Warriors feasted on transition points, which is how they got those big runs (and lots of open 3s), but that only happened when Kerr came in and got their defense fixed. The Jackson-coached Warriors had a good offense but pretty rough defense. Their defense is going to look very different in the early stages of the season, which is why they aren't going to make a run at 74 wins. Now, in 2017-18? That's a very different discussion. On July 05 2016 15:33 BlackJack wrote: I wonder how Steph Curry feels about KD joining the Warriors. I feel like this will hurt his legacy a lot. Right now he's the reigning scoring champion, he probably won't be next year. He's also the reigning MVP, which he probably won't be next year. Nobody on GSW should be MVP next year since they could replace any player and still be the #1 seed. He also probably won't be the Finals MVP considering he couldn't even win it without Durant on the team. To top it all off he now has to hear everyone saying he is part of a super-team when his team was organically built just 2 days ago. The up-side is that he will probably win some more rings but let's be honest, the warriors probably would have won more championships even without Durant. The biggest question that is yet to be answered is whether the '16-'17 Warriors will be Curry's team or Durant's team. Curry may go from being the biggest thing in the league to being Westbrook 2.0. From a purely historical point of view, this actually will improve things for Curry. For as much of "what could have been?" is worth asking, the reality is most of the non-MJ/LeBrons have about a 2-3 year window to win MVPs. Curry has 2 and this was probably the end of his window. Curry is still going to be MVP-caliber, but he and everyone else should realize that the thing to do is chase rings. There's a reason the Spurs have taken the approach they have with Duncan for years. They got 3 more Finals trips and 2 more rings out it. There's also the issue that hadn't come up yet: the Warriors title window was going to start closing after this year. OKC is probably better next year than this year (with Durant), and a healthy, 73-win Warriors team needed an all-time great performance from Klay to even stay in the series with OKC. They were still going to win 60+ next year, but their brand of basketball doesn't translate as well into the Playoffs, as we've seen both of the last two years. (Granted, they won the Finals they should have lost & lost the Finals they should have won. Go figure.) Anthony Davis lurks (on the assumption the Pelicans can get it together) and you still have to beat LeBron in a series. Something that is insanely hard to do. (At least for the next 2-3 years.) Which means this actually broke really, really well for Curry. The Title Window for the Warriors is now open for as long as they can keep Curry + Durant together, which is probably 4-6 years, given NBA history. That's good for Warrior fans, maybe not so great for a lot of other fans. But as we've seen with plenty of Big 3 setups, they're completely beatable in the playoffs. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
On July 05 2016 12:43 icystorage wrote: its not the same thing. it's worse. here's one of the reasons, LeBron left the cavs at that time because it didnt have the proper support he needed. Compared to the current OKC line up you have a prime westbrook, serviceable bench on Kanter Co., Dipo at the 2 and an up and coming young star(?) on Adams and yet he bailed. given that LeBron went to the Heat with Bosh and Wade, the heat were not a historically 73-win team So you can only go to a super team and win rings if the team you played for initially was really bad? How is that fair? I can't blame durant for not wanting to play with westbrook anymore and I can't blame him for wanting to win rings now instead of seeing what happens with Canter and Adams. At least GSW deserves to buy a superstar player: their whole team is made up by smart draft picks and superior coaching. Its not like it is a team formed by a couple of superstars who decided to take pay cuts to play together. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
From a purely historic point of view, Durant's move I would judge as worse. The optics of LeBron's was, however, far worse. He pretty much went on national TV to rip the hearts out of Cleveland fans, even if he didn't intend it that way. There's a reason LeBron wrote an essay for his return to Cleveland & Durant did the same thing. Notice how many times the "taking my talents to South Beach" clip has been played in regards to Durant's possible move? Yeah, video is far worse than print. When LeBron went to Miami, the reality was that none of the 3 teams (Cleveland, Toronto or Miami) had the assets to acquire the necessary pieces to challenge Boston. 3 All-stars were going to end up as a circular firing squad for their own desire for rings. It was just unthinkable that it would happen in Free Agency, rather than as trades. (There's also issues with the talent boom starting from the mid-2000s and no one willing to trade good players. Or just less stupid GMs.) With Durant, unless they win multiple rings, this is going to be looked at pretty dang badly in hindsight. He was the star of the team that choked away a Finals trip, to the team that ended up letting a championship slip away. The move is also going to set off a massive reorganization of the entire star-structure of the league, and it might even cause changes in the next CBA. The effects of this move are going to be felt for a very long time. | ||
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Kobe Shaq Payton Karl Malone and we all saw how that went.. now we can argue that none of the GSW players are in the end of their careers like Payton and Karl Malone but it's 2 superstars and 2 mega stars wanting the ball and wanting the spotlight.. I hope it does work but at the same time it's always nice to root for the underdog.. i bet many guys will want to join LBJ to try "punish" GSW | ||
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On July 05 2016 17:19 Taf the Ghost wrote: I'll hold you to that if it happens. But I said "[d]on't be surprised" as it's a decent possibility, not a high likelihood. The previous Warriors feasted on transition points, which is how they got those big runs (and lots of open 3s), but that only happened when Kerr came in and got their defense fixed. The Jackson-coached Warriors had a good offense but pretty rough defense. Their defense is going to look very different in the early stages of the season, which is why they aren't going to make a run at 74 wins. Now, in 2017-18? That's a very different discussion. From a purely historical point of view, this actually will improve things for Curry. For as much of "what could have been?" is worth asking, the reality is most of the non-MJ/LeBrons have about a 2-3 year window to win MVPs. Curry has 2 and this was probably the end of his window. Curry is still going to be MVP-caliber, but he and everyone else should realize that the thing to do is chase rings. There's a reason the Spurs have taken the approach they have with Duncan for years. They got 3 more Finals trips and 2 more rings out it. There's also the issue that hadn't come up yet: the Warriors title window was going to start closing after this year. OKC is probably better next year than this year (with Durant), and a healthy, 73-win Warriors team needed an all-time great performance from Klay to even stay in the series with OKC. They were still going to win 60+ next year, but their brand of basketball doesn't translate as well into the Playoffs, as we've seen both of the last two years. (Granted, they won the Finals they should have lost & lost the Finals they should have won. Go figure.) Anthony Davis lurks (on the assumption the Pelicans can get it together) and you still have to beat LeBron in a series. Something that is insanely hard to do. (At least for the next 2-3 years.) Which means this actually broke really, really well for Curry. The Title Window for the Warriors is now open for as long as they can keep Curry + Durant together, which is probably 4-6 years, given NBA history. That's good for Warrior fans, maybe not so great for a lot of other fans. But as we've seen with plenty of Big 3 setups, they're completely beatable in the playoffs. There's little to suggest that either of those things are true. Without Durant, GSW is still the favorite to win the next championship, Curry is still the favorite to win the next MVP, and Curry is still the favorite to win the next scoring title. Now, only 1/3 of those things are true. Rings are always nice but you need the individual accolades as well to get yourself a billion dollar shoe deal. | ||
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On July 05 2016 19:11 shell wrote: Last time i saw a big four it was Kobe Shaq Payton Karl Malone and we all saw how that went.. now we can argue that none of the GSW players are in the end of their careers like Payton and Karl Malone but it's 2 superstars and 2 mega stars wanting the ball and wanting the spotlight.. I hope it does work but at the same time it's always nice to root for the underdog.. i bet many guys will want to join LBJ to try "punish" GSW those are completely different players though. shaq/kobe are/were very me-first type of players who demanded the ball at every opportunity. i dont see that being the case with durant/curry, they're both really laid back. i mean shit the biggest complaint when KD was on the thunder was that he didnt take enough shots himself while westbrook was jacking up 30 shots a night. and i dont think players look at GSW and want to "punish" them, they probably just want to do the same thing. everyone likes to play on a good team with good players, it makes everything easier for you. but it takes a special situation to pull off something like this, like the fact that curry is only getting paid 12m. | ||
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andrewlt
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On July 05 2016 17:19 Taf the Ghost wrote: I'll hold you to that if it happens. But I said "[d]on't be surprised" as it's a decent possibility, not a high likelihood. The previous Warriors feasted on transition points, which is how they got those big runs (and lots of open 3s), but that only happened when Kerr came in and got their defense fixed. The Jackson-coached Warriors had a good offense but pretty rough defense. Their defense is going to look very different in the early stages of the season, which is why they aren't going to make a run at 74 wins. Now, in 2017-18? That's a very different discussion. This is wrong. Mark Jackson fixed the defense. They went from around 26th in DRtg his first year to 4th during his last year with the Warriors. The offense was stuck in the 11th-15th rank in ORtg. Under Jackson, they ran an iso-heavy offense. I guess you can say it was similar to what the Thunder are running. It was the ball movement that Kerr fixed. The biggest concern with their defense is the loss of Bogut. They can't go small too often in the regular season because it is going to wear Draymond out. So Ezeli needs to step up and they need to get a few big, warm bodies to play rim protector in the regular season. | ||
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On July 06 2016 00:33 andrewlt wrote: This is wrong. Mark Jackson fixed the defense. They went from around 26th in DRtg his first year to 4th during his last year with the Warriors. The offense was stuck in the 11th-15th rank in ORtg. Under Jackson, they ran an iso-heavy offense. I guess you can say it was similar to what the Thunder are running. It was the ball movement that Kerr fixed. The biggest concern with their defense is the loss of Bogut. They can't go small too often in the regular season because it is going to wear Draymond out. So Ezeli needs to step up and they need to get a few big, warm bodies to play rim protector in the regular season. p sure ezeli is already gone, they have zazazaza and a bunch of randoms at center now. i wonder why they didnt take a chance on roy hibbert, he signed for 5m with hornets, maybe he would've taken 2.9m to just play defense in GS. def wouldve started in GS too | ||
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A big 4 will definitely work, it's a dumb team. I don't blame the warriors, but I look at Durant much differently. Westbrook will probably leave/get traded. Durant murdered basketball in OKC | ||
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On July 06 2016 00:41 zev318 wrote: p sure ezeli is already gone, they have zazazaza and a bunch of randoms at center now. i wonder why they didnt take a chance on roy hibbert, he signed for 5m with hornets, maybe he would've taken 2.9m to just play defense in GS. def wouldve started in GS too I rate Zaza way ahead of Ribbert, he had a good year with Dallas. Trivia: Zaza's also the only player to pull down 18 offensive rebounds in a game since Rodman in '92. | ||
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dennis rodman may have been kinda weird ..but he accepted his role and made the most out of it... furthermore, his role matched his skill set. how many offensive plays did the Bulls run that included Rodman? none? matching the Bulls 13 losses will be a tall order. this is a pretty good look at Durant's contract options after 1 year with teh GSWs. http://www.spotrac.com/research/nba/kevin-durants-money-gained-money-lost-591/ all this talk about "legacy" and the guy might be gone after 1 year. | ||
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On July 06 2016 00:41 zev318 wrote: p sure ezeli is already gone, they have zazazaza and a bunch of randoms at center now. i wonder why they didnt take a chance on roy hibbert, he signed for 5m with hornets, maybe he would've taken 2.9m to just play defense in GS. def wouldve started in GS too GS just needs a center to play defense, rebound, and not throw offensive rebounds to the stands. Ezeli couldn't do the last one. If he isn't close enough to the basket to dunk after an offensive rebound, it's 50/50 whether the pass ends in or out of bounds. I like watching the Warriors so this is the second most favorable outcome for me. The impossible dream would be for Durant to join the Clippers, Ballmer moves them to Seattle, Seattle wins a championship then David Stern's head explodes. I'd also be satisfied if David Stern's head explodes for no reason at all. | ||
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On June 23 2016 07:47 imBLIND wrote: IF KD moves to golden state, I'm gonna be pretty pissed. I'm pretty pissed | ||
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On July 06 2016 05:27 JimmiC wrote: Rumor now has wade joining LBJ in CLE. A big 4 in either conference (or big 5 in Cle if richard jefferson resigns.) East vs. West, battle of the titans round 3 | ||
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On July 06 2016 05:27 JimmiC wrote: Rumor now has wade joining LBJ in CLE. A big 4 in either conference (or big 5 in Cle if richard jefferson resigns.) I believe it's been proven in this thread that Richard Jefferson will make all the difference. | ||
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On July 06 2016 05:27 JimmiC wrote: Rumor now has wade joining LBJ in CLE. A big 4 in either conference (or big 5 in Cle if richard jefferson resigns.) How is Richard Jefferson part of a big anything? I don't see how CLE has the cap space to offer Wade a better deal than Miami's 40/2, so they'd have to sell Wade on being able to play with LBJ and compete for titles again. LeBron could always give himself a pay-cut if he wants Wade that bad. | ||
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did any other players go public and predict the Durant move to Golden State? http://hoopshype.com/2016/07/04/richard-jefferson-predicts-kevin-durant-will-sign-with-warriors/ On July 06 2016 02:48 Xeris wrote: Lakers paid Mozgov $16 million/year... Roy Hibbert, who's basically == to Mozgov (maybe SLIGHTLY worse???) signed for $5 million. #RIP because of the vagaries of the cap, its loopholes, teams now have a floor that is 90% of the cap, how execs judge ageing players etc., etc. its pretty tough to relate money directly to productivity. stuff like u've pointed out happens all the time. that said, its still a negative for the lakers and a positive for the Hornets. Ray Allen in his last season made 1/3 of what he made 2 years previous. Adding salary inflation into the mix was Ray Allen really only 1/4 of the player he was 2 years earlier? nah. has Andrea Barnyarni ever been worth even half what he was being paid? i remember Jason Kidd, 148 years old and not even 6 and a half feet tall, out positioning Andrea for offensive rebounds night after night. | ||
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however, how many teams do you think will be more than $2M below the floor ? i say, not many. there is a million ways to spend money. as of right now, only 6 teams are below the floor (including cap holds). Boris Diaw got traded to Utah. he is on a 4 year deal... so now that is 5 teams under the salary floor. maybe Colangelo keeps Philly under teh floor as a good will gesture to his players who are at the start of a long slow rebuild. | ||
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Sad to see Diaw go from SA, he's been a great fit for us despite disappearing during the OKC series. | ||
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On July 06 2016 07:37 JimmyJRaynor wrote: yep, good point, that's an option. however, how many teams do you think will be more than $2M below the floor ? i say, not many. there is a million ways to spend money. as of right now, only 6 teams are below the floor (including cap holds). Boris Diaw got traded to Utah. he is on a 4 year deal... so now that is 5 teams under the salary floor. maybe Colangelo keeps Philly under teh floor as a good will gesture to his players who are at the start of a long slow rebuild. I'm surprised there are only 6 teams below the floor. The salary cap went from $70M to $94M with the floor being $84M. The salary cap jump is almost as high as Durant's salary. | ||
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http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/ the more i think about it.. the more i think Philly's GM would be wise to stay well below the floor and give his guys some extra cash for putting up with a lot of losing and a lot of pain. | ||
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On July 06 2016 10:39 Disregard wrote: Dubs picking up a desperate West is definitely a good deal but they already have Speights, although West is a better overall player at that position. they'd have to sign him again if they want speights back on the team, pretty much their entire bench had become free agents on july 1. Jul 1, 2016 - Leandro Barbosa, previously with the Golden State Warriors, became a free agent. Jul 1, 2016 - Harrison Barnes, previously with the Golden State Warriors, became a free agent. Jul 1, 2016 - Ian Clark, previously with the Golden State Warriors, became a free agent. Jul 1, 2016 - Festus Ezeli, previously with the Golden State Warriors, became a free agent. Jul 1, 2016 - James McAdoo, previously with the Golden State Warriors, became a free agent. Jul 1, 2016 - Brandon Rush, previously with the Golden State Warriors, became a free agent. Jul 1, 2016 - Marreese Speights, previously with the Golden State Warriors, became a free agent. Jul 1, 2016 - Anderson Varejao, previously with the Golden State Warriors, became a free agent. | ||
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The GSW had the remarkable luck and skill to draft 3 top 20 players still on their 2nd and 3rd contracts. Unless you have these very rare circumstances, it doesn't really break the system. And I can't be the only person who finds the Warriors somewhat boring to watch can I? | ||
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On July 06 2016 14:12 Disregard wrote: Then whos playing the 5 for the dubs? They have to rotate DG with someone, probably resigning Ezeli. pachulia/west | ||
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On July 06 2016 08:55 Scarecrow wrote: West seriously wants a ring. Sad to see Diaw go from SA, he's been a great fit for us despite disappearing during the OKC series. The second line makes me sad. One of my favorite players of all time. I'm depressed but at least I like the Jazz so it's a consolation. | ||
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On July 06 2016 16:02 Elroi wrote: Oh fuck... We lost diaw and west? How did that happen? Diaw is like my favorite player too. At least we got 'big boy pants' pau | ||
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On July 06 2016 15:50 Scarecrow wrote: Yeah I don't see them having depth issues... Zaza was very solid in Dallas and is a solid upgrade over Ezeli (not worth keeping imo). I'd take West over Speights too. Durant can probably play some C too. Livingston is still one of the best backup PG's in the league. Main issue is finding replacements on the wing for barbosa/rush if they leave. Would love to see a Ray Allen cameo. they don't have a great defensive C anymore and they might still get outrebounded by the best rebounding teams (eg cavs), though obviously they're still way better. Lost a ton of depth this offseason but the upgrade to Durant is easily worth it for them. Dwade to cleveland would be hilarious, hope it happens for the sheer entertainment value | ||
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So the Warriors need to bring back or replace Barbosa and get another warm body at center to replace Ezeli. That warm body is really mostly to give Pachulia and Draymond rest. The rest can be filled with rookies or cheap veterans. Why did the Spurs trade Diaw? Did they really need to make that much room to get Gasol? I enjoyed Diaw's play with the Spurs. | ||
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On July 06 2016 00:59 Xeris wrote: Also Malone and Payton were at the end of their careers, and both of them, especially Malone, spent a lot of the season injured. If you replay that year 100 times, the Lakers would probably win the title 99 times. 5 game sweep says hi | ||
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On July 07 2016 00:17 andrewlt wrote: Why did the Spurs trade Diaw? Did they really need to make that much room to get Gasol? I enjoyed Diaw's play with the Spurs. he was the only guy who had the right amount of salary. http://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/cap/ the cap motivates some confounding decisions. On July 07 2016 00:17 andrewlt wrote: So the Warriors need to bring back or replace Barbosa and get another warm body at center to replace Ezeli. That warm body is really mostly to give Pachulia and Draymond rest. The rest can be filled with rookies or cheap veterans. ray allen is sniffing around looking for a job. if GSW steam rolls everyone bench players won't matter. if they're stuck in a tough and close 7 game series sometimes your lower paid players can make a big difference... as Allen did in 2014 for the Heat. i think Allen is probably too old to play at teh pace the GSWs want to play. | ||
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On July 07 2016 02:27 JimmiC wrote: A link to the ray Allen story, the guy was always beyond fit, one of the most in shape guys in the league. If anyone can turn back the clock and give 15 mins a night it's him. and any player that puts in more the 15 minutes a night in a 7 game series can be a real difference maker... as we saw this year. | ||
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but all this speculation is a long way off from actually happening in reality. if Allen plays just like he did when he was ooo say.... 36 years old as another 35 year old veteran did in this years finals Allen could easily end up getting starter minutes in a 7 game series. but again, this is all just speculation. he'll be signed either to play with the Warriors or signed to beat the Warriors. it'll be interesting to see if he can play with the ridiculously high level of athleticism the Cavs and Warriors players displayed in last year's finals. | ||
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On July 07 2016 03:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote: and any player that puts in more the 15 minutes a night in a 7 game series can be a real difference maker... as we saw this year. You're such a hypocrite. You say you want honest debate, but here you're deliberately antagonizing Jimmi with a point you repeated ad nauseam in a 'discussion' that died days ago. It's the second time you've reignited it too. They had very limited depth at SF, Love got hurt for a game and GS went even smaller once Bogut went down, so Lebron played more PF. Context is far more important than just judging a player on minutes played. I've already said all this but your entire argument seems to come down to, "he got a lot of minutes, he must be important" despite every FA ranking putting 70+ players ahead of him. We've been through this, we disagree. Just fucking drop it. | ||
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DystopiaX
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On July 07 2016 10:41 icystorage wrote: Wade to the Bulls "we traded rose because we want to get younger and more athletic" sign rondo and wade also when rose was healthy he was still one of the more athletic guards in the league...guess you can't just admit that you traded rose because your locker room problems got so severe it was either him or Butler. Dunno how to feel yet. Wade clearly can still play, and we were never going to completely bottom out if we kept Butler (and i think we should have- again, you tank to draft a player like Jimmy butler, and it's not even like he's that old) kinda funny that we traded a chicago kid in Rose and picked up another chicago...kid? in Wade | ||
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DystopiaX
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On July 07 2016 10:54 icystorage wrote: they'll have to unload some people, hoping the blazers get taj <3 I'd rather keep Taj. IMO out of all the big men we have (him lopez mirotic portis) I'd like to keep him the most, maybe after lopez. Mirotic doesn't play good defense and his shot is inconsistent, portis might have more upside but taj is already proven to be a good thing. Biggest problem with the roster is that if you start something like rondo/wade/butler/mirotic/lopez your outside shooting is piss-poor. I would personally start calderon/wade/butler/mirotic/lopez and let Rondo light up bench defenses as a 6th man but idk if his ego would allow us to do that, also Hoiberg has demonstrated that he can't really control a locker room so that's another issue. definitely an upgrade overall though. I still believe Rose has it- he played extremely well after his eye stuff cleared up- but Wade is a huge improvement overall and Lopez is an upgrade over Noah as well. | ||
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On July 03 2016 03:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Luol Deng left for LA. Joe Johnson signed with Utah. That's a big loss for Miami. JJ is another guy tough on the Raptors in the playoffs. at 34 it'll be interesting to see how many years he can play at the level he played at during the 2nd half of the 2015-2016 regular season and the playoffs. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16691520/joe-johnson-utah-jazz-reach-agreement-two-year-deal-worth-22-million-according-multiple-reports i wonder what, if anything, Miami will do about this? is this a sign that Wade is leaving? is Bosh going to play next year? lots of questions for Miami and no answers. i think Wade is gone. and the Bulls have to dump the Captain of the Spanish Olympic Basketball team to get Wade. lololol. Calderon one my favourite all time "good stats guys" who sucks. Bosh is breaking his silence on "Any Given Wednesday" tonight.... it'll be interesting if he says anything about Wade. On July 07 2016 10:12 Scarecrow wrote: You're such a hypocrite. You say you want honest debate, but here you're deliberately antagonizing Jimmi with a point you repeated ad nauseam in a 'discussion' that died days ago. It's the second time you've reignited it too. They had very limited depth at SF, Love got hurt for a game and GS went even smaller once Bogut went down, so Lebron played more PF. Context is far more important than just judging a player on minutes played. I've already said all this but your entire argument seems to come down to, "he got a lot of minutes, he must be important" despite every FA ranking putting 70+ players ahead of him. We've been through this, we disagree. Just fucking drop it. u mad bro? "hypocrite"... big, fancy, serious words about a fun topic. watching and analyzing is for fun .. its not for serious. i already told you that i can name 2 SF playoff bench players that RJ is better than. I'm too lazy to go through the other 14. relative to other bench Small Forwards RJ is good and deserved the "1 more year" chant he got from the Cleveland fans. RJ earned his minutes and played well, shooting over 50% and defending well in games 6 and 7. A 2 game stretch where the GSW was held to a lower point total than at any other time in the playoffs. we've gone over this like 4 times now. i'm done. the minutes (6th most for the playoffs , 5th most in the finals) , the shooting prowess (44/84), the team defense of the Cavs in games 6 and 7 (only 190 in 2 games) all speak for itself. | ||
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On July 07 2016 11:17 cLutZ wrote: Lol. The Bulls are so dumb. What are they doing? If they weren't going to tank (and they can't without unloading butler, and i don't think they should unload Butler) picking up Wade over Calderon is fine. Having no 3 point shooting isn't but it's still decent in a vacuum. I think the Rondo signing was desperation because Calderon is a shitty point and Grant isn't ready yet, and at that point we had no idea Wade might want to come to Chicago at all. Hell, I'm just surprised that any FA would actually want to come to Chicago. Hopefully this means that we can recruit others in the future. Having a hometown dude come back is neat as well. I don't expect we'll win that much more with Wade, but the basketball might be more fun to watch with him. And like I said in the East we weren't ever going to be bad enough to completely bottom out either, so I'd rather watch a slightly better product and lose a couple draft slots than the alternative. Wade is still decent at this point as well, I think it would be best to try to attract free agents as a path to contention over tanking, at least for the situation the Bulls are in. Hope to pull a Rockets and attract FAs to become decent. | ||
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every October he shows up with some nagging injury because he played 10,000 minutes in some stupid international summer tournament that includes basketball superpowers like Iceland and Uganda. | ||
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On July 07 2016 11:21 DystopiaX wrote: If they weren't going to tank (and they can't without unloading butler, and i don't think they should unload Butler) picking up Wade over Calderon is fine. Having no 3 point shooting isn't but it's still decent in a vacuum. I think the Rondo signing was desperation because Calderon is a shitty point and Grant isn't ready yet, and at that point we had no idea Wade might want to come to Chicago at all. Hell, I'm just surprised that any FA would actually want to come to Chicago. Hopefully this means that we can recruit others in the future. Having a hometown dude come back is neat as well. I don't expect we'll win that much more with Wade, but the basketball might be more fun to watch with him. And like I said in the East we weren't ever going to be bad enough to completely bottom out either, so I'd rather watch a slightly better product and lose a couple draft slots than the alternative. Wade is still decent at this point as well, I think it would be best to try to attract free agents as a path to contention over tanking, at least for the situation the Bulls are in. Hope to pull a Rockets and attract FAs to become decent. I get that Rondo came before you knew wade could be coming, but I feel like my brother got drunk and is now Gar-Pax's head adviser. | ||
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On July 07 2016 11:36 cLutZ wrote: I get that Rondo came before you knew wade could be coming, but I feel like my brother got drunk and is now Gar-Pax's head adviser. I agree the fit is horrible but I don't know what better alternatives there are. Like I said you're not gonna bottom out with Butler anyway, picking up Wade for Calderon/Dunleavy is a fine move. If we're gonna be a 7-10 seed I'd rather do it watching Dwyane Wade than Jose Calderon. And next year we can offer max to someone with the pitch of playing with Wade/Butler and in Chicago. That's a better pitch than just playing with Butler. Like I said, the best move for the Bulls going forward is to hope to get a FA signing like Horford instead of tanking. Hoping Portis/McDermott/Mirotic continue to develop into good pieces while hoping for such a signing is a decent plan. idk mostly I'm just excited to be able to watch Dwyane Wade play basketball instead of whatever that shitshow this season was. | ||
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-chris-bosh-s070616-story.html Calderon to the Lakers according to Adrian Wojnarowski who is pretty reliable. | ||
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On July 07 2016 13:02 icystorage wrote: im still hoping for hassan to pull a deandre and sign with the blazers :D (even though he said he'll stay) pull a deandre sign with dallas, dallas cancels bogut trade, warriors can't find a suitor for bogut, can't sign durant, durant to boston would be the best shitshow/best deandre situation | ||
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I mean, imposter Isaiah Thomas is like the 13th best PG in the league. | ||
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On July 07 2016 17:21 Scarecrow wrote: I love me some IT2, I'd rate him around 7th behind Curry, WB, CP3, Lillard, Lowry and possibly Wall. People want a superstar on Boston cause they've got such a great defensive, bought in team to surround one with (not to mention Stevens), they just lack the extra firepower. It'd also be good for the league to have another contender team to take on the cavs in the east. there is no way he's 7th lol I said boston more because as a viable FA destination that could offer him decent money and a good chance at winning they're the most likely organization right now. And i think with Durant+Horford they'd be an interesting team at least. | ||
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I guess I'm a little biased from fantasy, he's around 7th there. Always seems to put up great numbers despite his size and is coping remarkably well with being the #1 option in Boston. Broke some obscure boston scoring records last season too, and its far from the easiest franchise to do it in. | ||
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zev318
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On July 07 2016 20:58 Djagulingu wrote: "Now everybody wanna play for the heat and the Lakers? Let's go back to being competitive and going at these peoples!" Kevin Durant, 16/07/2010 well he definitely didnt join the heat and the lakers, so he's kept his word | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On June 30 2016 22:54 JimmiC wrote: He could not ... He was lucky to catch on for the minimum last year and it will be the same thing this year On July 01 2016 12:33 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i say .. RJ resigns with Cleveland and Cleveland will use one of their veteran exceptions acquired in a trade to give him a raise above the veteran minimum. Cavs used part of a trade exception to give RJ a raise and they'll sign him July 7 to a 2 year// $5M deal in contrast to last year's last minute minimum 1-year signing. No luck involved this year. Its a preplanned move. My prediction contains a high level of granularity and was dead bang on correct. Raynor prediction correct. JimmiC prediction incorrect. i don't claim to be the most knowledgable NBA follower around. WIthout a doubt RowdierBob knows more about the general NBA than i. The only team where my knowledge competes with his is the Toronto Raptors. If one takes the time to "pay attention to outcomes" they'll see that the stuff i say about the Raptors provides insight one can get beyond anything one can search for using google. I'm not going through the laundry list of correct predictions i've made about the Raptors... its all in the threads. Marco Estrada got named to the AllStar team hahahaha. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16843854/richard-jefferson-re-sign-cleveland-cavaliers http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2650568-richard-jefferson-re-signs-with-cavaliers-contract-details-comments-reaction Lebron James on RJ + Show Spoiler + "He's a true professional, and a guy who is seizing an opportunity and moment to be in this position," LeBron James said after the Cavs beat the Warriors in Game 3 to cut their series deficit to 2-1. "The last time he was in the Finals was his first and second year in the league [in New Jersey], and I think he's not taking this moment for granted. so that pretty much closes out the whole RJ thing.. he is signed, sealed and delivered. | ||
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On July 07 2016 11:36 cLutZ wrote: I get that Rondo came before you knew wade could be coming, but I feel like my brother got drunk and is now Gar-Pax's head adviser. The Bulls might have trouble scoring 80 if the opposing team just has all their guys stand in the paint with their hands up. | ||
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Scarecrow
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On July 07 2016 23:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote: I'm not going through the laundry list of correct predictions i've made about the Raptors... its all in the threads. Well you usually quote yourself to make sure everyone knows and noone bothers to dig up your mistakes/cherrypicking. Thing is you made multiple predictions for RJ and selectively chose the best one. You quote one of Jimmi's mistakes but another one of his was accurate: On July 02 2016 22:21 JimmiC wrote: I bet jefferson makes less money and term then delly even though he played less minutes in game 7 and I have not done "digging or research" If RJ gets more money or term i'll give up the name. Whilst you virtually covered all your bases with this gem: On June 29 2016 09:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote: RJ will probably get the same deal as last year or a bit better. i'd like to see the guy cash-in though. You basically did broad enough 'predictions,' that you were almost guaranteed to be correct on some parts, and then self-quoted the best one. I was wrong about RJ not getting a raise, but that was never really the disagreement. A pay increase of roughly $1 million doesn't indicate a '#2 priority' or 6th man quality FA and they almost certainly would've kept Delly for the same price. RJ even had to use retirement as leverage to get as much as he did. The thing is, you raved about RJ's importance then made several conservative predictions that cover the most likely scenarios but don't support your claims of his value. Now you're trying to claim you're right because he got one of the most pathetically small raises in a year of record salary inflation. Well played. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On July 08 2016 01:19 Scarecrow wrote: Well you usually quote yourself to make sure everyone knows and noone bothers to dig up your mistakes/cherrypicking. Thing is you made multiple predictions for RJ and selectively chose the best one. You quote one of Jimmi's mistakes but another one of his was accurate: Whilst you virtually covered all your bases with this gem: You basically did broad enough 'predictions,' that you were almost guaranteed to be correct on some parts, and then self-quoted the best one. I was wrong about RJ not getting a raise, but that was never really the disagreement. A pay increase of roughly $1 million doesn't indicate a '#2 priority' or 6th man quality FA and they almost certainly would've kept Delly for the same price. RJ even had to use retirement as leverage to get as much as he did. The thing is, you raved about RJ's importance then made several conservative predictions that cover the most likely scenarios but don't support your claims of his value. Now you're trying to claim you're right because he got one of the most pathetically small raises in a year of record salary inflation. Well played. that prediction was JUne 29. i thought about the issue more deeply. Did more research and refined my prediction to what you saw July 1. My current and latest prediction turned out to be correct and it contained a high level of granularity. The team, trade exception use, the raise. On June 2nd I had no clue Wade was leaving. By July 2 given the evidence at hand i stated "Wade is gone" while virtually every EPSN reporter said he was staying. I alter my opinions over time. I alter my opinions over time. i don't really bother saying obvious stuff like "Lebron James is a really good player". I post stuff that I know is an unusual opinion. So I realize my posts will draw flak. On July 08 2016 00:59 Jerubaal wrote: I think the problem with this discussion is there are no clear propositions. Rather you are arguing over some vague notion of goodness. on June 30, and July 1 JimmiC and Raynor posted exactly what they thought would happen with RJs contract situation. The result is now in. I further stated RJ is better than the average SF coming off the bench on a playoff team citing VC and Ross as examples of his direct competitors. Other than that, to a large extent you are 100% correct. i think i'll end it with your reasonable characterization... and on that note i'll return to talking only about the Raptors and Raptors905 because they are the only teams that i know better than the average TL.Net poster. | ||
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cLutZ
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On July 07 2016 18:21 DystopiaX wrote: there is no way he's 7th lol I said boston more because as a viable FA destination that could offer him decent money and a good chance at winning they're the most likely organization right now. And i think with Durant+Horford they'd be an interesting team at least. I get it (sort of) but there's no upside to that team. If he were to go to the East I want Paul George on the team with Durant. Then it at least is interesting when matching up with Cleveland (healthy). As for PGs, Undoubtedly better: Curry, WB, CP3, Lillard, Lowry, Irving, Wall, Approximately the same: Conley, Holiday, Bledsoe, Walker, Jackson, Teague, Livingston Question Marks with higher upside: Rose, Russel, Dunn, Greek Freak | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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http://www.sbnation.com/2016/7/7/12118546/nba-salary-cap-2017-low-102-million-lockout "Instead of the cap being set at $108 million, it's expected to come in at $102 million" "The most interesting case is the Warriors' and Kevin Durant. Since Durant is only signing a two-year contract with an opt out after next year, the Warriors cannot exceed the cap to re-sign him to a new five-year deal. as we expected (see scenario 3). Therefore, if Durant wants to be paid a full maximum salary on his next deal, the Warriors must use their cap space to give it to him." | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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And GSW had notable issues in both Finals runs against teams, but now there is a clear blueprint for playing against them: put your best wing defender on Draymond and run Curry through a screen every time down the floor. It's going to be fascinating to watch. | ||
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imBLIND
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Considering that they gave up essentially nothing, I like the addition for my lakers. | ||
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DystopiaX
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On July 08 2016 09:37 imBLIND wrote: Calderon to the Lakers for 7mil/year. Considering that they gave up essentially nothing, I like the addition for my lakers. they gave up nothing and got 2 second round picks from us cause they knew we needed to clear space On July 08 2016 04:12 zulu_nation8 wrote: For KD, the Warriors gave up Barbosa and Bogut. I don't know how good Pachulia is, but Ezeli isn't good and they won't be able to play a bigger lineup as often, which is how they almost lost to OKC when Adams/Kanter dominated them. Pachulia is decent. Good rebounder, decent on offense. Not as good on defense as Bogut but serviceable. Definitely worth way more than 2 mill On July 08 2016 02:34 cLutZ wrote: I get it (sort of) but there's no upside to that team. If he were to go to the East I want Paul George on the team with Durant. Then it at least is interesting when matching up with Cleveland (healthy). As for PGs, Undoubtedly better: Curry, WB, CP3, Lillard, Lowry, Irving, Wall, Approximately the same: Conley, Holiday, Bledsoe, Walker, Jackson, Teague, Livingston Question Marks with higher upside: Rose, Russel, Dunn, Greek Freak I think Conley, Walker are undoubtedly better than IT2 for sure. Teague probably also better. Livingston is better on on certain teams depending on what you want, in a vacuum agree they're around the same. Probably throw Jeremy Lin in approximately the same. Would say IT2 is better but it's close. | ||
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Scarecrow
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On July 08 2016 10:35 zulu_nation8 wrote: ok, warriors are fucked Bookmarking this for when they go back 2 back. Ezeli's pretty irrelevant. Durant, Draymond, Zaza and West will do fine. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On July 08 2016 15:25 Xeris wrote: crazy that Mozgov got 16 million/year and Ezeli got 7. Why aren't people talking about this being a huge steal? 1 month ago people were hyping the fuck outta this guy, and he plays badly in the finals and everyone ignores him? Weird. Probably because Ezeli was a massive liability against both OKC & Cleveland. Though the real reasons are a little more detailed: 1) Because of the Durant situation, Ezeli was probably hoping to stick out with GSW, but the market for Big Men was pretty closed by the time Durant choose to sign with GSW. 2) His Agent seems to have not gotten the best deal possible. 3) 2015/Healthy Mozgov is worth 18-20 million per season. That Mozgov is also significantly better than Ezeli. 4) For as much money was out there, the Big Men money had dried up pretty quickly. The Lakers signed Mozgov in the first hour of free agency, and probably got a discount for it. Mozgov could have potentially gotten more other places. | ||
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On July 08 2016 04:12 zulu_nation8 wrote: For KD, the Warriors gave up Barbosa and Bogut. I don't know how good Pachulia is, but Ezeli isn't good and they won't be able to play a bigger lineup as often, which is how they almost lost to OKC when Adams/Kanter dominated them. Kanter averaged 12 mins a game vs warriors. He was largely irrelevant. I think you're thinking of spurs series where the kanter/Adams front court did all the damage. | ||
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andrewlt
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So the Warriors are looking for another cheap big man to be Pachulia's backup. With Thompson at SG and Durant at SF/PF, the Warriors should be a decent rebounding team. Rebounding is just as much timing and anticipation as banging down low. Rodman was not very physical and not the tallest. Rondo and Kidd are not that tall either. Tristan Thompson is not a banger and does it more based on speed and athleticism. | ||
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On July 08 2016 10:56 Scarecrow wrote: Bookmarking this for when they go back 2 back. Ezeli's pretty irrelevant. Durant, Draymond, Zaza and West will do fine. I hope so. They do still need another center and the FA market is getting thin. | ||
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Disregard
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FA this year is so stale with the ridiculous salary cap raise due to CBA, besides that whole Durant shitstorm with the Dubs, nothing else of interest. | ||
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On July 09 2016 11:29 zulu_nation8 wrote: I hope so. They do still need another center and the FA market is getting thin. Dubs don't need a center, just need to out score everyone. What are the possibilities of Klay, Curry and KD all choking in the same game? And besides there are no decent centers left in FA anymore. I pray the outcome of the next Finals is the same for the Dubs, oh the heartbreak. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On July 09 2016 12:40 Disregard wrote: Parsons going to Griz, that was random. And Bucks picking up Dirty Delly from the Cavs via sign & trade with draft rights. Hornets picking up Hibbert, is that dude still relevant? FA this year is so stale with the ridiculous salary cap raise due to CBA, besides that whole Durant shitstorm with the Dubs, nothing else of interest. Miami was gutted. apparently, Duncan was set to announce his retirement but the events in Texas made him hold off on his announcement until its a much lighter news day with less important news at the front of people's minds. He may be replaced as a player it'll be tough to replace his class. | ||
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On July 09 2016 12:40 Disregard wrote: FA this year is so stale with the ridiculous salary cap raise due to CBA, besides that whole Durant shitstorm with the Dubs, nothing else of interest. Oh, okay. This was one of the most eventful FA seasons ever. Wade, Horford, Howard, Johnson, Noah, Gasol, Jefferson, Lin, Anderson all switch teams, plus a bunch of young kids getting paid, and Mozgov somehow getting 4/64. I'm not sure what you were expecting, but this is one of the most eventful years ever. | ||
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On July 09 2016 13:44 cLutZ wrote: Was Riley great, or did people just like Wade? Riley built up the Heat well before Wade. I think this split was mutually beneficial. Both sides had soured on each other and neither wanted to go down with the ship. From a PR perspective, it looks worse for Riley but both camps were apparently being fairly petty. Riley didn't call Wade because Wade told them to go through his representation. Either way, he'll still get a statue when he retires. For now, he gets more money and the Heat get to retool while they've still got a draft pick, instead of clinging to a mid-low playoff spot. | ||
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On July 09 2016 14:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Miami is in a bad spot for the remainder of Bosh's contract which goes until 2019. its a $25 million cap gobbling sinkhole. Yeah, but that's just the nature of having a maxed star who might not be able to play basketball anymore. They'll get a lottery pick for the very coveted 2017 draft and have a lot of room to sign one of the 2017 FAs like Blake Griffin. Plus all the other benefits of being in Miami. | ||
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zulu_nation8
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On July 09 2016 14:23 Jibba wrote: Riley built up the Heat well before Wade. I think this split was mutually beneficial. Both sides had soured on each other and neither wanted to go down with the ship. From a PR perspective, it looks worse for Riley but both camps were apparently being fairly petty. Riley didn't call Wade because Wade told them to go through his representation. Either way, he'll still get a statue when he retires. For now, he gets more money and the Heat get to retool while they've still got a draft pick, instead of clinging to a mid-low playoff spot. Idk man, seems Riley was more petty, Wade deserved a max especially if the team's gonna suck, and the rumors made it seem like that Wade wasn't given what he was promised. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On July 09 2016 14:30 Jibba wrote: Yeah, but that's just the nature of having a maxed star who might not be able to play basketball anymore. They'll get a lottery pick for the very coveted 2017 draft and have a lot of room to sign one of the 2017 FAs like Blake Griffin. Plus all the other benefits of being in Miami. $25 million is still $25 million. the uncertainty around Bosh did nothing to attract 3 starters to re-sign this year. the best thing that can happen to Miami at this point is if a doctor says Bosh can't play again. then they get his salary off the cap and they can sign a 4 or 5 who knows for sure Bosh will take zero minutes. | ||
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On July 09 2016 14:40 zulu_nation8 wrote: Wade deserved a max especially if the team's gonna suck, and the rumors made it seem like that Wade wasn't given what he was promised. No, he didn't. The Lakers killing themselves for Kobe didn't help them attract FAs - they couldn't even get meetings. Loyalty is only something fans care about. Players have short memories and there's 18,000 other considerations that come before it. | ||
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They are lucky he stopped them from signing this Mozgov deal last year by eating up cap space. Look how dumb they got once they got any. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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Canada plays France in 18 hours. The winner gets to expose their basketball team to the Zika virus at the Rio Olympics. http://www.fiba.com/oqt/philippines/2016/1007/Canada-France | ||
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On July 10 2016 04:28 Taf the Ghost wrote: I know everyone likes to mention Zika, though it's really nothing much of a worry. (Rio isn't in the heavily effected areas.) No, the raw sewage and every other facility is the worry. i prolly should not have brought it up. it makes for worthy debate material in another thread. 3 more spots are available for the Olympics. i mentioned teh filling of 1 spot in a previous post. Also Serbia plays Puerto Rico today with the winner getting a spot at the Olympics as well. and Italy versus Croatia with the winner going to the Olympics as well. So lots of basketball to watch today and tomorrow Harden and the Rockets have a deal. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16928325/james-harden-signs-new-contract-houston-rockets | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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Can't say the Rockets didn't move to keep Harden happy, especially as they just used their spare cap-space to do it and their roster was already full. | ||
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On July 09 2016 11:29 zulu_nation8 wrote: I hope so. They do still need another center and the FA market is getting thin. Looks like they might get Sanders if he can keep his shit together. | ||
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On July 10 2016 06:12 Taf the Ghost wrote: The Harden deal is pretty fascinating. They pretty much just paid him an extra ~21 Million for 1 more assured year under contract that they're going to pay him 30.5 million to play. (4th year is a Player Option.) Can't say the Rockets didn't move to keep Harden happy, especially as they just used their spare cap-space to do it and their roster was already full. Personally think it was a pretty silly move. Think this is how the conversation went. Daryl Morrey : "Hey 'Hard-man' we see you’re under contract for way below your market value, now that the cap has increased. If you give us one additional year of your impeccable defense, longer than your current contract, we’ll increase your annual salary proportional to the cap increase. " Harden: "Don’t mind if i do" Doesn't make sense to me, if you want to keep Harden happy, use the space to bring in more talent around him. And all the Rockets really received was one additional year, not a lot of value for being so inexplicably nice to him. | ||
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What matters to the Rockets now is who decides to blow things up by Christmas, as the Rockets will be looking for trades. Granted, that doesn't defend the decision to bring in D'Antoni. | ||
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On July 11 2016 04:11 Jerubaal wrote: What was wrong with bringing in D'Antoni? Defense was a big reason they underperformed last year. Now they've lost Dwight and added a coach that neglects defense. Unless it's some sort of stealth tank, it doesn't make much sense. | ||
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On July 11 2016 09:57 Scarecrow wrote: Defense was a big reason they underperformed last year. Now they've lost Dwight and added a coach that neglects defense. Unless it's some sort of stealth tank, it doesn't make much sense. doesnt really matter who they brought in - that defense is going to be shit anyways. | ||
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On July 11 2016 13:26 JimmiC wrote: If I'm a Cavs fan there is a small part of me growing every day gnawing me from the inside saying " what if he doesn't sign here?" Probably, just because he is so enigmatic. However, IMO the risk is next year because he intends to make the CBA Lebron -friendly when it comes up. | ||
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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16989742/jared-sullinger-agrees-deal-toronto-raptors Boston had to rescind their qualifying offer to him to remove the cap hold on him to acquire Horford. Boston ended up like $20 under the cap after rescinding Sullinger's qualifier and signing Horford. | ||
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On July 11 2016 13:26 JimmiC wrote: If I'm a Cavs fan there is a small part of me growing every day gnawing me from the inside saying " what if he doesn't sign here?" where could he possibly sign that can 1) afford him (assuming he doesn't blow up the system and take a minimum contract and joins the warriors) 2) be in a better position to win next year? | ||
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On July 12 2016 14:17 zev318 wrote: where could he possibly sign that can 1) afford him (assuming he doesn't blow up the system and take a minimum contract and joins the warriors) 2) be in a better position to win next year? Just about any team with a decent core could do it. Cleveland has a good team, but it has a lot of pieces with bad LBJ synergy(Love), and pieces that aren't awesome in general (TT). Just off the top if he went to the Thunder/Portland the team would be on par/better (if they figured out the cap stuff, but they don't seem to be too strapped) than Cleveland. However, that might not present a better title chance because one of the primary reasons to be in the East is to get the automatic bid to the finals, plus being much healthier (and less teched up) when you get there. In the East, had he ever been willing to sign there (thus preventing some signings that impede him now going there), I would love to see him play alongside Paul George, that would be a better team if they could swing half of what they did this offseason after that. | ||
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On July 11 2016 23:21 icystorage wrote: Timmy retired. Damn. Hats off to the Greatest Spur. | ||
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On July 12 2016 21:40 JimmiC wrote: I don't think he will sign anywhere but I think Cleveland fans do have PSTD from "the Decision". That being said if I could send him somewhere. I would send him as an assassin to teams that have not won titles. First stop Twolves. There starting line up would be Rubio, Wiggins, James, Towns and Pekovic. They have decent Depth with Lavine, Muhammad, Dieng, ROY candiate Dunn and old men Garenett and Prince. They could also go small with the most Athletic 5 in the league. Towns at the 5, James at the 4, Wiggins at the 3, Lavine at the 2 and Dunn at the 1. In fact that could be the most athletic 5 in league history! ![[image loading]](http://www.guerraeterna.com/archives/post%20lebron.jpg) Yeah, I remember shit like these from "the Decision" Off topic: I don't want Lebron in T-Wolves. He will do more harm than good in long term. | ||
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On July 13 2016 14:58 Jerubaal wrote: Then you realize that's their actual team. :p Gonna be a long year :D | ||
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On July 13 2016 14:58 Jerubaal wrote: Then you realize that's their actual team. :p Tom Penn comes on TL now? | ||
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So LBJ is staying in Cleveland and this is most probably why he timed his possible exit from Miami the way he did. LBJ is a lot of things. Stupid ain't one of 'em. | ||
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On July 10 2016 04:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote: do we talk about the Rio Olympics here ? or in some other thread? Canada plays France in 18 hours. The winner gets to expose their basketball team to the Zika virus at the Rio Olympics. http://www.fiba.com/oqt/philippines/2016/1007/Canada-France Well, they played that qualifier in the Philippines during the rainy season aka dengue season. Unless you are having children soon, dengue is more dangerous than zika. It's spread by the same damn mosquito too. | ||
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On July 14 2016 00:49 andrewlt wrote: Well, they played that qualifier in the Philippines during the rainy season aka dengue season. Unless you are having children soon, dengue is more dangerous than zika. It's spread by the same damn mosquito too. WHO's track record is not good enough for me to insta-believe everything they say. different groups of scientists disagree on how bad things are in Rio. in a case like this reality is the final arbiter. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sports/102980-rio-de-janeiro-gets-the-olympics?page=6#106 if WHO turns out to be wrong the finger-pointing is going to be awesome entertainment. | ||
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On July 14 2016 02:30 andrewlt wrote: I'm not disagreeing with you that Rio is dangerous. One of the qualifiers was played in Manila, which is also dangerous. If the winner survived Manila, they can survive Rio. i mean that's like saying, hey u survived a gunshot, might as well take another and u still should be ok | ||
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On June 23 2016 15:00 RowdierBob wrote: If Rose pans out it will of course be a brilliant move by the Knicks. But if he still sucks then they're in a pickle: do you let him walk for nothing (and waste the RoLo asset) or double down on your belief he still has 'it' and re-sign him to a ridiculous contract that he'll no doubt demand. Unfortunately the latter looks far more likely. If the Knicks has the cajones they'd offer Melo to Boston for the #3 and Brooklyn's unprotected pick next year and see if they bite. This way they could actually build around Porzingis and some young talent. Instead it's just the same old crap from them. They just never learn. You can't 'win-now' in the NBA like they're trying to do unless you sign one of maybe four guys who are untouchable: Lebron, Curry, Durant or Davis. the other possibility is that he has a few nagging injuries... manages those injuries good but not great... shows flashes of brilliance and plays great for small stretches. all the while u r sitting, waiting for the season ending knee injury as he gobbles up a lot of cap space. its not near as bad as Bosh's blood clots.. but its the same kind of "total unknown" factor that makes having him on your team a monster gamble. | ||
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On July 14 2016 04:46 cLutZ wrote: The Rose issue also is that even if he is playing great and the Knicks get a 4 seed I doubt he will perform for them well in the playoffs if the other team has a wing defender worth his salt. I mean, it is the East. Anyone 2-8 has a chance of getting to the ECF and tbh, that's a big success for the Knicks. | ||
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On July 14 2016 16:23 Jibba wrote: I mean, it is the East. Anyone 2-8 has a chance of getting to the ECF and tbh, that's a big success for the Knicks. Agreed... I actually like all the moves they made. Even the Rose of last year is better than what the Knicks had. Noah, as long as he stays healthy will at least be == to RoLo. Courtney Lee is quite good. They've picked up many pieces to add to Carmelo/KP. Right now I think: Knicks, Celtics, Hawks, Pistons, Wizards, Raptors, Pacers, Hornets should all be pretty equal, with Raps/Celtics probably a smidge above the others. But ya, outside the Cavs, any team can make the ECF. | ||
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Boston, Indy and the Raptors are a clear 2nd tier behind the cavs then it's a bunch of borderline playoff teams, of which the knicks is one IF by some miracle they stay healthy. I also thought Milwaukee would soon be a top team two season ago, anyone else feel like Monroe has been a disaster for them? | ||
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i wouldn't lump the #8 seed's chances in with 2-7... especially now that the Cavs have resigned their sharpshooting bench forward Richard Jefferson. On July 15 2016 09:31 JimmiC wrote: Lets be serious the nets have no chance of not being awful maybe worse than *gasp* the sixers. by signing "projects" like Anthony Bennett i think its an indicator they are intentionally bottoming out and aiming at taking a run as a good playoff team in 3 or more years. the guy is supposed to be a power forward, he is canadian, the Raptors are weak at power forward... and even the Raptors "gave up" on him. do the Nets have a d-league team? i don't think they do. i highly suspect Bennett forced his way out of Toronto because he didn't want to play in the d-league. In fact, that is/was the best place for him. I do not think Bennett will develop while playing in the NBA. His only chance of growing into a starter was to stay in the d-league. | ||
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i think u r taking urself and this sports thread that is on a video game forum too seriously good point about the Nets having no picks. they will get Boston's pick though... but even then... do the Nets have a D-league team? i don't think they do. They have no reasonable way of developing high-ceiling late 1st round and 2nd round long term projects. i hope brooklyn enjoyed that magical 2014 playoff run. | ||
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On July 15 2016 10:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i think u r taking urself and this sports thread that is on a video game forum too seriously Don't pull that card when you clearly take this thread, and your reputation here, very seriously. Anyone can see that from your activity and posting history. So what if this is a video game forum? The discussion is generally better than most places on the net. Looking through current TL threads there are some very serious topics and we clearly take basketball seriously enough to discuss freaking offseason moves with strangers online . You're like one of those try-hard ladder guys who trivialises other player's efforts and calls them nerds for taking something, which you constantly try to prove yourself in, so seriously. | ||
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A trade exception counts towards the salary cap but not towards the luxury tax. The Cavaliers are well over the cap and well into the luxury tax area. Furthemore, the Cavs possess JR Smith's bird rights. Theoretically, they can pay JR SMith anything they want. However, the Luxury Tax makes things brutally expensive. Therefore, i think the Cavs are trying to get JR Smith to accept ~$9.5 million this year with the Anderson Varejao trade exception because it won't get any luxury tax added. I suspect this is why its taking so long to re-sign JR Smith. A team can not combine cap room with a trade exception so LBJ taking less cash will not be a way to pay JR Smith more money. It'll be interesting to see if the Cavs can hang on to Smith. Source: the $9.5 million trade exception of Anderson Varejao. http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/cap/ On July 15 2016 12:20 Scarecrow wrote: Don't pull that card when you clearly take this thread, and your reputation here, very seriously. do you know what my last failed "theory" was? that Ronda Rousey would be sitting ringside for the UFC 200 main event. When the winner was declared she'd stomp into the ring with a pissed off look on her face and say "i want that belt and i'm taking it in MSG in NY at UFC 205". does a serious poster come up with pro wrestling angles for predictions? the main reason i get stuff about the Raptors more correct overall than most TL.Net posters is 1) they don't care about the Raptors 2) they spend less than 10% of the time i do observing the team. and on that note.. here is an insightful and rather pessimistic view of the Jared Sullinger signing.. http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/person-interest-new-raptors-forward-jared-sullinger/ For Raptors fans their best hope is that a 1 year deal will prevent any laziness from setting in. | ||
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I was just joking but Tom Penn had co-casted some of the Lakers' summer games and was annoyingly anti-Lakers in his casts. Saying things like D'Angelo needs to drop 30 points to prove he is okay in the first summer league game. Then saying he should be doing things like that because it's his second year. Just saying things like that comment, and how they probably should be doing good because it could be their regular season lineup,etc. It was clear he got the ESPN memo/took notes in meetings about what points to hit about the Lakers. .... As for the Rose debate, from what I've read/heard is that the Bulls actually think Rose is gonna have somewhat of a rebound season. They know he improved the second half of the season and think it might well continue this season, they just don't want to deal with having to deliberate about signing him after the season is over. It will be closer to his 10th season and they don't want to deal with that much amount of money/public debate over him. edit: Is there a way to make JimmyJ the RJ of this thread? Staying out of the action until called upon? Horrendous posting. | ||
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On July 16 2016 03:04 Metal[x] wrote: the nets do have a d league team...but ya offseason for them has been pretty bad xD o ya? whats it called? i guess its a new expansion team. if they have one at least they have some kind of development path for the next few draft picks in the next 2 years. Why The Raptors Gave Up on Bennett Ujiri gets rid of any prospect who can not keep their cardio at a very high level. He'll put up with talented lazy players who are starters and let their fitness slide. He does not grant that luxury to prospects. Bennett would not get with the Raptors905 brutal cardio regimen; Ujiri gave Bennett a nice public speech about what a great guy he was as he was announcing his release. Bennett has zero chance of developing into anything unless he spends a lot of time next year in the d-league; and i thought the Bargnarni #1 over all pick was bad.. damn. | ||
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On July 17 2016 22:24 JimmiC wrote: As for old jimmyj the problem is a lack of coach or at least coachability because he will never stop with the braggy posts or being condensending to others even when he is completely wrong. But he will also mix in some where he posts interesting articles he finds. So unless your offering to preread his posts and only posts the good ones, were all stuck trying to find humor wading through the shit for the gems. if u r incorrect about my posts because you do not read them clearly you'll be corrected. if ur ego can't handle that then read my stuff clearly and completely or don't bother commenting on my posts. problem solved. furthermore, "paying attention to outcomes" is not bragging. it is an evaluation tool. Stephen A. Smith.. i'm looking at you. | ||
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You have Tyus Jones and Kris Dunn, now please trade Rubio, even if it's for 2 first round picks. Sincerely. | ||
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granted that he needs to work in his shot but he's only 25 years old. | ||
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On July 22 2016 21:08 Djagulingu wrote: Rubio + Cole Aldrich + first round pick = Enes Kanter + second round pick I can't believe this is a serious trade suggestion. | ||
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It seems Rose's injury history now includes brain damage. | ||
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On July 23 2016 20:37 Ace wrote: Rubio is their 2nd best player behind Towns When did T-Wolves trade Wiggins? On July 23 2016 20:37 Ace wrote: and they can't run offense w/o him yet. Not anymore, they have Tyus Jones and Kris Dunn now. They can run offense over those dudes. On July 23 2016 20:37 Ace wrote: Trading him would be insane if you aren't getting a potential stud back (Noel is a stud though.) Trading Rubio is among the least insane things that wolves can do now and they can get so much out of Rubio trade that they can instantly become a very big name for 2018 championship. It's just "should they trade Rubio now or later" for T-Wolves. | ||
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Plus he's a very solid defender. It'd be dumb to trade him before finding out if Kris Dunn is gonna be an all star caliber pg unless they can get some comparable immediate impact in return. | ||
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On July 27 2016 05:05 cLutZ wrote: I don't find Rubio that valuable. Spacing is basically the most important thing a PG brings to a team ATM. This is exactly why T-Wolves should trade Rubio. While he's good, he's not the type of guy you would like to have in today's basketball. That's why Kemba Walker was a liability for Hornets 2 seasons ago and a big asset last season. He learned how to shoot the basketball. | ||
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Also, its incredibly easy to overrate those skills for PGs. There are dozens in the league that do those things at 80% Rubios level, and shoot. | ||
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On July 28 2016 01:53 cLutZ wrote: He's been in the league a while , and pro play longer. He doesn't seem to be improving much. Also, its incredibly easy to overrate those skills for PGs. There are dozens in the league that do those things at 80% Rubios level, and shoot. Dozens? Name 10. | ||
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It would be easier to name the starting PGs who don't fit the criteria: Rondo (also cant shoot) Rose (also cant shoot, also cant walk) Parker (too old to do things) MCW (also cant shoot) Calderon, Sloan, Neto (just terrible) | ||
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On July 28 2016 05:59 cLutZ wrote: It would be easier to name the starting PGs who don't fit the criteria: Rondo (also cant shoot) Rose (also cant shoot, also cant walk) Parker (too old to do things) MCW (also cant shoot) Calderon, Sloan, Neto (just terrible) You said that there are DOZENS of PG's in the NBA who have ~80% of Rubio's playmaking ability and can shoot. I'm asking you to name even 10 PG's who fit that criteria... let alone 'dozens.' Kyrie, Steph, CP3, John Wall, Lowry, Tony Parker, Kemba, Damian, Westbrook.. that's 9 who are objectively better than Rubio in every way. You can't tell me that there are more than a dozen ADDITIONAL PG's who are good shooters + 80% of Rubio's playmaking. That's insane. | ||
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Not that Rubio is a bad player, its just that hes not particularly valuable. If you traded him now a fair trade would be for next years 15th overall pick. | ||
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On July 27 2016 05:05 cLutZ wrote: I don't find Rubio that valuable. Spacing is basically the most important thing a PG brings to a team ATM. You aren't an elite team unless you have a non-PG ballhandler in addition to a competent PG, which I don't see Kris Dunn being anything less than competent, on the level of a Chalmers. Thats his floor. This is false but I'll jibe with this line of thinking. If spacing is what you need from the primary ball handler - then wouldn't it be smarter to trade Wiggins? He can't make plays for others (yet), doesn't "space the floor", and his only above average quality is generating Free Throws. Wiggins doesn't space the floor either but he's not even helping in other areas. | ||
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On July 28 2016 16:28 Xeris wrote: You said that there are DOZENS of PG's in the NBA who have ~80% of Rubio's playmaking ability and can shoot. I'm asking you to name even 10 PG's who fit that criteria... let alone 'dozens.' Kyrie, Steph, CP3, John Wall, Lowry, Tony Parker, Kemba, Damian, Westbrook.. that's 9 who are objectively better than Rubio in every way. You can't tell me that there are more than a dozen ADDITIONAL PG's who are good shooters + 80% of Rubio's playmaking. That's insane. Jeremy Lin, Brandon Knight, Isaiah Thomas, Goran Dragic, Eric Bledsoe, Dwayne Wade (when he plays point), Jeff Teague, Reggie Jackson have at least 80% of Rubio's playmaking and they can shoot as well. D'Angelo Russell, Elfrid Payton and Emmanuel Mudiay, while not being better than Rubio today, they will be significantly better than Rubio starting from 2017-2018 season. Giannis Antetokounmpo is objectively better than Rubio in every aspect of this game other than shooting, and while Greek Freak can't shoot, he can still score. Even as a PG, Antetokounmpo is better than Rubio. There are a dozen additional guys for you. | ||
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On July 29 2016 02:59 Djagulingu wrote: D'Angelo Russell, Elfrid Payton and Emmanuel Mudiay, while not being better than Rubio today, they will be significantly better than Rubio starting from 2017-2018 season. Stop being ridiculous. Maybe 1 of these will pan out but all 3 being significantly better than Rubio in less than 2 years is absurd hyperbole. | ||
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On July 29 2016 01:45 cLutZ wrote: Primary ball handler != Point Guard in this context. It simply means small guy who has trouble guarding more than 1 or 2 positions . The theory if Wiggins is that he has the potential to guard 4 positions and on offense post up smalls/take bigs off the dribble. If he doesn't develop a shot, that makes shooting from your 2 guards all the more important. Rubio can guard PGs and SGs pretty well. Wiggins isn't a good defender yet, and while it looks like he will be lets not get caught up in potential. He isn't a better defender than Rubio. So again - why wouldn't the Wolves just trade Wiggins if this is your line of thinking? For all the years I've posted in these NBA threads you always seem to have a very weird way of viewing the value of PGs (especially their defense). There are some that have no trouble guarding both guard spots and there are rare gems like Chris Paul and Beverly that won't get murdered by SFs. On July 29 2016 10:59 Scarecrow wrote: Stop being ridiculous. Maybe 1 of these will pan out but all 3 being significantly better than Rubio in less than 2 years is absurd hyperbole. lol that guy is damn hilarious | ||
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On July 29 2016 02:59 Djagulingu wrote: Jeremy Lin, Brandon Knight, Isaiah Thomas, Goran Dragic, Eric Bledsoe, Dwayne Wade (when he plays point), Jeff Teague, Reggie Jackson have at least 80% of Rubio's playmaking and they can shoot as well. D'Angelo Russell, Elfrid Payton and Emmanuel Mudiay, while not being better than Rubio today, they will be significantly better than Rubio starting from 2017-2018 season. Giannis Antetokounmpo is objectively better than Rubio in every aspect of this game other than shooting, and while Greek Freak can't shoot, he can still score. Even as a PG, Antetokounmpo is better than Rubio. There are a dozen additional guys for you. lol.... those guys aren't 80% of Rubio's playmaking, nor can all of them shoot significantly better than Rubio. | ||
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On August 05 2016 05:52 cLutZ wrote: Your opinion of Rubio is really quite high. I watched quite a bit of Twolves last year and I would not describe him as anything more than "above average" at all those skills. i guess i can't change your opinion ;dd | ||
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Basically, does sheer athleticism/skill overwhelm execution and chemistry? Team USA is running a pretty bland offense and the defense looks simplistic too. Do they beat an NBA team, which can manufacture open shots and cover these PnRs pretty well? Obviously Team USA depth runs over their bench, but can the Warriors' 1st unit stay ahead? Plus the Warriors will have much more effective/tactical coaching. | ||
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I think we'd be better with Boogie and DJ on the bench. They're getting worked by Australia's much smarter bigs. Just play something like Draymond/PG/Klay/Anthony/Kyrie. | ||
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On August 11 2016 08:04 Jibba wrote: So about the importance of teamwork... I think we'd be better with Boogie and DJ on the bench. They're getting worked by Australia's much smarter bigs. Just play something like Draymond/PG/Klay/Anthony/Kyrie. I think Boogie's game translates to the international game better than DJ's. He's having issues adjusting to the officials, however. There doesn't seem to be many centers here that can score that well. Draymond and maybe even Carmelo can play center for team USA. The rest of the team is tall and athletic enough to compete for rebounds. | ||
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On August 12 2016 22:34 JimmiC wrote: With a paltry net worth of 500 million and earning 50+ million per in endorsements and 20 some mill in salary. It's nice that with this contract he can finally feed his family... let me clarify my vague, open ended, 1-liner comment that you probably read the wrong way. he is finally going to be the highest paid player in the NBA with a deal longer than most expected. its great to have someone go through my posts with a fine tooth comb though. i need an audience. On August 13 2016 00:05 andrewlt wrote: Glad that they're not breaking up Richard Jefferson's supporting cast. good point, as you know i projected RJ to play 42 minutes a game this year and most experts agree with me. | ||
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On August 13 2016 01:08 JimmiC wrote: It does not take a fine tooth comb your posts radiate stupidity. nah, i know more about the Raptors than most posters in this thread. i talk about the raptors more than any other team. i'm here to discuss the NBA though. if you want to engage in a personal discussion you should PM me and not put it in here. | ||
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On August 13 2016 02:14 cLutZ wrote: I hope this is not true, but, when I heard he signed a 3 year deal my first thought was that he had an offseason injury. you'd think the Cavs medical team would give him a total physical etc before signing. however, sometimes the best doctors working for pro sports teams miss stuff or misdiagnose stuff. i recall Bill Caudill of the Blue Jays had a form of arthritis that sapped his strength only in the middle of the regular season. Otherwise, his chronic issue was undetectable. His fastball lost 5 MPH and no one knew why. | ||
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are NBA contract insured like they are in MLB? | ||
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http://www.raptorshq.com/2016/8/11/12447122/report-raptors-looking-to-extend-masai-ujiris-contract i hope the Raptors re-sign Ujiri and i hope they give him the same or more autonomy. I think his program for african basketball players is a great idea. Anything the Raptors can do to find non-American basketball players benefits them more than the other 29 teams in the NBA. same as for the Blue Jays finding non-american baseball players. The guy who hired Ujiri, Tim Lewieke, is no longer with MLSE so there was some concern Ujiri might not be 100% happy with his work situation. i believe in Masai... | ||
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On August 14 2016 05:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote: improbable BO1 upsets or close games just don't shock me any more in the Olympics or other similar very short tournaments. they seem to happen in every tourney. http://www.raptorshq.com/2016/8/11/12447122/report-raptors-looking-to-extend-masai-ujiris-contract i hope the Raptors re-sign Ujiri and i hope they give him the same or more autonomy. I think his program for african basketball players is a great idea. Anything the Raptors can do to find non-American basketball players benefits them more than the other 29 teams in the NBA. same as for the Blue Jays finding non-american baseball players. The guy who hired Ujiri, Tim Lewieke, is no longer with MLSE so there was some concern Ujiri might not be 100% happy with his work situation. i believe in Masai... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAVm4zr-KdQ#t=2m25s Should be a no-brainer to resign Ujiri. Already loved his work in Denver and I still think letting him go was on of the biggest mistakes the Nuggets made. He is definitely one of the better GMs right now. | ||
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On August 13 2016 04:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote: if NBA contracts are insured they probably have to go through some medical clearance thing. are NBA contract insured like they are in MLB? Yes, this is the big deal with the Bosh thing. If he goes for a year without playing, then the Heat will be able to cash in on the injury insurance and probably just cut him. | ||
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On August 18 2016 05:50 Ace wrote: Yi Jianlin for 8 mil. The Lakers really are just being run into the ground right now I actually like this move. He played quite good in the olympics and his contract is only 1 year, so the Lakers have nothing to lose. | ||
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On August 18 2016 05:50 Ace wrote: Yi Jianlin for 8 mil. The Lakers really are just being run into the ground right now I'm expecting Yinsanity this year. Mark my word. | ||
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On August 18 2016 04:13 MassHysteria wrote: Yes, this is the big deal with the Bosh thing. If he goes for a year without playing, then the Heat will be able to cash in on the injury insurance and probably just cut him. thx for the info. now the Bosh camp looking at Riley sideways makes a lot of sense. | ||
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On August 14 2016 08:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Ya, it is a no-brainer and if Leweike were still around Ujiri would easily get resigned. However, internal MLSE politics often trump obvious decisions. They just resigned him on a multi-year contract. Definitely the right decision imo. | ||
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On August 19 2016 22:48 smfd wrote: I'm expecting Yinsanity this year. Mark my word. Would be surprised if Yi can even get 5 FGA per game with ballhogs Clarkson, Randle, and Russell on the same team | ||
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Yi Jianlian Nick Young Lou Williams Jose Calderon LouL Deng | ||
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On September 04 2016 21:34 smfd wrote: Lakers veteran lineup is rather impressive, i mean what lineup would stop this????? Yi Jianlian Nick Young Lou Williams Jose Calderon LouL Deng a team for the ages | ||
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On September 04 2016 18:29 Disregard wrote: They're gonna waive his ass anyway, no team is foolish enough to trade for Swaggy P. But Lakers randomly signing Yi is a total wtf. They're signing him for basically nothing though, so why it such a big deal? | ||
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 Please don't leave out our big signing of the offseason, Mozgov, off this list./wrists | ||
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On September 05 2016 15:22 MassHysteria wrote: Please don't leave out our big signing of the offseason, Mozgov, off this list./wrists Yi Jianlian - Yinsanity - breakout season Nick Young - Swaggy P gunna redeem himself this yr Lou Williams - 6th man, next step NBA ALL star Jose Calderon - Consistant 40Percent career 3 PT shooter to aid the inconsistancies of Lou and Nick. Timofey Mozgov - Will perform exceptionally well under his new contract. You get what you pay for. New list, Potential 4-5 allstar lineup with a chance to show the youngsters how to get things done. Prediction Lakers 60 wins this seasons Western conference finals. Willing to debate this. | ||
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On September 05 2016 03:17 Vindicare605 wrote: They're signing him for basically nothing though, so why it such a big deal? This! There is absolutely no risk for the Lakers in this deal. If he plays bad he will be gone next season. Atleast they should sell some jerseys in China. | ||
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i don't think he'll die though. at worst, the blood clots will re-emerge next season and he'll have to be in the hospital again and he'll have to stop playing. as long as all the expert medical people around him do their jobs and Bosh follows their advice his chance of dying is low. His chance of getting new blood clots though? hold on let me check my Crystal Ball. | ||
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17619057/miami-heat-clear-chris-bosh-return-failed-physical i wonder if the Heat found a lab that gives them the test results they want? if Bosh plays 10 or more games this year then his salary counts towards the 2017-18 cap. | ||
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http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/more-hockey-players-being-diagnosed-with-blood-clots-than-ever-1.2976686 blood clots need to be treated on a case-by-case basis. some athletes can play for years with the risk of blood clots. | ||
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17642995/chris-bosh-career-miami-heat-likely-pat-riley-says from a salary cap perspective the Heat can remove Bosh's salary from taking up any cap space if Bosh does not return to the NBA until March. this is a good move by the Heat. This crap about how much Spoelstra loves Bosh and his family is a bunch of BS. | ||
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Shortly after the news broke that Bosh was done... Bosh thanked "Miami" but did not thank the "Miami Heat". the most likely scenario is not death. none of the elite athletes using blood thinners has died. the most likely scenario is this: Bosh goes on a cycled blood thinning protocol and this allows him to play 10 or 20 or 30 games. Then he has complications that show up on his blood tests and he has to quit like Pascal Dupuis had to quit. Meanwhile, Miami is on the hook for another year of salary on their cap. Also, they have a good part of their offensive scheme revolving around a guy who can't play half the year and in the playoffs. Miami is trying to avoid all this so they are just claiming its medically impossible for him to play. When really... its only improbable its not impossible. Its been done before at an elite level many times dating back to the 1980s with much more primitive protocols and testing than hematologists have at their disposal now. This is Pat "by any means necessary" Riley at work. Spoelstra is just following the Riley agenda by "loving" BOsh and his 5 kids as they tell him to GTFO. | ||
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On September 28 2016 23:30 JimmiC wrote: It could be that way. But treating your assumptions as facts is one of the reasons you are the worlds most annoying poster. there are zero assumptions its all backed up by the sources i've proviided and some logic. | ||
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On September 24 2016 06:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: blood clots need to be treated on a case-by-case basis. some athletes can play for years with the risk of blood clots. i never commented on Bosh's case specifically, however, i provided a rebuttal to an incorrect generalization about how blood clots must be dealt with in 2016. the Miami Heat are pushing an overly simplified view in order to forward their agenda. The science is constantly evolving. Miami did a nice job of covering their asses by saying Bosh won`t play for them. The Miami Heat did not say Bosh will never play in the NBA again. Its a very good stance and a very carefully thought out position they`ve taken. Riley is good. Bosh is not in the same situation as a guy like Dennis Boyd or that Soccer player guy currently playing on blood thinners. These guys only play 1 or 2 times per week. He needs to be able to play 4 times a week and so far only a couple of NHL-ers have pulled that off long term. Most NHL-ers have short term success and fail long term and retire. They don't die because they are being so closely monitored with emergency medical staff on site. The low probability of success combined with constant uncertainty is enough for Riley to pull the plug on the Bosh comeback project. I'd do the exact same thing. Its been fun to watch the NBA, NBAPA, Riley and Bosh go at it these last few months. If you want to get angry/annoyed about it... have fun. me? I`m getting more popcorn and preparing for the next episode. | ||
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On September 29 2016 02:50 JimmiC wrote: Yes you posted that and I didn't respond because it wasn't wrong. What you posted next was so I did respond. Interesting how that works. I'm not at all annoyed at the situation the annoying part is you. This last post is far better then the one I commented on because you are not drawing as concrete conclusions as you were in the previous post. i never drew any conclusions.. its all probabilities. if you want to half-read my stuff have fun. | ||
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Bosh just fired his long time agent Henry Thomas of CAA http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/09/28/report-chris-bosh-fires-agent/ so is Bosh a free agent? do the Heat have to waive him? what now? can Bosh go play in Europe? i wonder if Bosh thinks his agent is really a double-agent and gave the Heat too much info. or maybe Thomas is advising Bosh to retire and Bosh doesn't want to hear it. EDIT: Bosh can become a free agent February 9th... the Heat will waive him through the league and he is officially a free agent at that point. | ||
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Short of any real evidence backing up Spoelstra's proclamations of love: Spoelstra "loves" Bosh about as Jerry Maguire "loves" that college QB ( Kushman?) in the Jerry Maguire movie. Its just BS to grease the skids on Bosh's exit so other players and free agents won't get mad at the Heat. now , onto head injuries. ya, so Brad Beal has his 2nd concussion in 9 months and every media outlet every where is calling it a "mild concussion". with all that's been discussed about head injuries you'd figure people would not throw around the term "mild concussion". its a BS term. its a concussion. full stop. If Beal has another concussion in 2016 I'd be concerned about the viability of his career. 3 concussions in 1 year is a recipe for disaster. Washington should seriously consider giving Beal the first 40 games off. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wizards-insider/wp/2016/09/29/bradley-beal-held-out-of-wizards-training-camp-practice-with-a-mild-concussion/ On September 29 2016 13:25 zulu_nation8 wrote: idk what we're arguing about but let's chill, Bosh is a very unique case, my guess is he won't step on an NBA court again. what i wonder is .. at this point today.. after the Heat physical and whatever it uncovered... is he on blood thinners for only 12 hours a day while playing/practising ball 2 hours a day? if he is and not developing complications he's got a shot at playing again. if he is on blood thinners almost all the time and practising basketball once every 2 weeks he is fooling himself. | ||
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On September 30 2016 13:18 cLutZ wrote: Is it bad that I'm most excited to see if the 76ers relinquish thier throne at the bottom of the league? imo, Colangelo is an average GM who is really good at making the execs above him think he is a genius. i think the 76ers will eventually rise to become an average team. maybe somewhat above average if their #1 pick ends up being really good. he will, however, be surrounded by an average team. On September 30 2016 12:46 JimmiC wrote: Hey if you can't make the heat out to be evil might as well attack the media they are easy target! logical fallacy: appeal to motive On September 30 2016 12:46 JimmiC wrote: Also, they say mild concussion because its a medical term depending on the grade of concussion. https://biau.org/types-and-levels-of-brain-injury/ your source proves my point. the term mild concussion is never used. according to the CDC you either have a concussion or you don't have a concussion. getting back to the NBA here. are you therefore claiming Beal has not much to worry about because he merely has a "mild concussion" ? or are you just going off on a tangent that has nothing to do with the NBA? On September 30 2016 12:46 JimmiC wrote: YOU not knowing if he has met his kids. you can't prove a negative. the burden of proof rests with the claimant. EX: you robbed a bank. prove you didn't. If you want to advance the conversation in any meaningful way show some evidence that Spoelstra loves Bosh and his family. if there is some real evidence i'll alter my view. i can't "prove" zero photos exist of Spoelstra smiling with Bosh's family at some family event. i can't prove Bosh has never thanked Spo for his support. Just like you can't "prove" you've never robbed a bank. I can say I've never heard Bosh thank Spoelstra for his support and i've never heard of Bosh's family hanging out with Spoelstra. I can say i highly doubt you've robbed a bank, but i can't prove the negative. i can't prove you never robbed a bank. | ||
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On September 30 2016 20:58 JimmiC wrote: If you really know this little about concussions maybe you shouldn't go on long rants about them. http://www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/concussion-traumatic-brain-injury-symptoms-causes-treatments it was ~30 words. a "long rant" is not ~30 words. its your own source that splits those hairs. furthermore, its only hair splitting if you think the terms "traumatic brain injury" and "concussion" are interchangeable. They are not. You should try reading the stuff you provide as a source. WebMD is not an independent information source and is filled with direct to consumer ads. turn off ad-block and see for yourself. https://theskepticalcardiologist.com/2016/02/07/webmd-purveyor-of-bad-health-information-and-snake-oil/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concussion A concussion is a type of traumatic brain injury. Sports guys don't like saying "traumatic brain injury" because it sounds really bad. Instead they use the term "concussion" because it sounds less ominous. Then these same sports guys hear the phrase "mild traumatic brain injury" and they put together the 2 words that sound as soothing as possible. Hence we get the sports term "mild concussion". if they wanted to be accurate they should say "mild traumatic brain injury". They don't want to be accurate. They want the athlete back playing ASAP while providing some quality PR to calm down the people who watched a disoriented athlete stagger around or go unconscious. | ||
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Bosh has several things that may be affecting his health on top of his condition. That includes: being very tall, being african american, sitting for long trips for his job, being an athlete at a very high level. All these things and more that we probably don't know are going to impact him uniquely in ways that only a specialist is able to determine his outlook. I also find it hard to believe that watching a player collapse and die in front of you like spoelstra did wouldn't affect how you treat this situation or the little input you have towards it. But that's just my opinion. | ||
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http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/09/30/lebron-james-on-cavaliers-negotiations-i-just-hate-to-deal-with-this-s-again-j-r-smith-did-his-part/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter from the ESPN article on the same topic "The only teams with significant cap space remaining -- the 76ers, Nuggets, Nets, Suns and Jazz -- are either in rebuilding mode or already stocked at his position." | ||
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On October 01 2016 08:44 zulu_nation8 wrote: not a huge deal, will only miss a week or two, unless this turns into Embiid again. a week or 2 for a broken foot? i guess the coach diagnosed it as a "mild" broken foot. so its ok. i love all these guys adopting the psycho-mean-angry Bray Wyatt look as a form of intimidation. here is Aron Baynes. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8cE5EJH.jpg) | ||
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3552713/The-REAL-reason-men-grow-beards-Scientists-reveal-facial-hair-helps-make-appear-dominant.html i feel like this thread is becoming a 21st century edition of SNL's Point-Counterpoint. | ||
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On October 02 2016 06:52 JimmiC wrote: Because you constantly say your assumptions as facts and its funny to point out. Sure he could want to intimidate people but that exact look is the one that comes up when u google hipster haircut and beard. It is stupid to claim he's doing for intimidation when it's the current popular style. He could be doing it for that, or he could be doing it for style. Style is far more likely but acting like it is a fact that he's doing it for intimidation because there is not well known scientific link to that is classic jimmyj "I think it so it is so" logic. https://www.google.ca/search?q=hipster haircut and beard&biw=1366&bih=662&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwj80qf6yrrPAhWq54MKHTYxBWsQ_AUIBigB ya, for centuries men have been doing this. that is why it has appeared in many male sports for decades. on the surface it might seem its for fashion. the underlying reasons, the most primal reasons, the subconscious reasons are outlined in my source. dozens of studies have been done on this.. so give it up. http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160418-the-real-reason-men-grow-beards "a number of studies have suggested that both men and women perceive men with beards as older, stronger and more aggressive than others. And dominant men can get more mating opportunities by intimidating rivals to stand aside." On October 02 2016 06:54 zulu_nation8 wrote: Seems pretty ridiculous that they were okay with his gaining 30 lbs or something during the summer when his body is still developing and that no human should willfully gain that much weight in such a short amount of time period. if he grew 0 inches in height and gained 30 pounds in less than one year they are inviting injury. didn't he have leg cramps in summer league and a host of other small problems leading up to this broken foot? Can't wait for Colangelo's silver tongued spin on this... | ||
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On October 02 2016 08:46 JimmiC wrote: How you read this to mean every guy who grows a beard is 100% doing it to be more dominate is as amazing as let's go back to my original sentence. re-read that. "i love all these guys adopting the psycho-mean-angry Bray Wyatt look as a form of intimidation." "all these guys" therefore, if u r doing it for some other conscious reason you're not included in my comment. i'm zeroing in on the subset of guys doing it as a form of intimidation. that said, the science says that at the deepest levels males grow beards to intimidate regardless of what their conscious beliefs on the matter might be. | ||
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in the context of the article it is clear it is the conclusion of several studies. "a number of studies have suggested that both men and women perceive men with beards as older, stronger and more aggressive " even more about it.. http://philasify101.blogspot.ca/2012/04/fear-beardstudy-shows-that-beards.html and again, i never claimed that on a conscious level every male growing a beard does so to intimidate. you misread it. just like you misread your concussion "source" backing your mild concussion claim. if you think all these studies are wrong.. .great... just don't make some claim that i'm way off-base when you misread stuff. | ||
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I hate bad science, so here goes: + Show Spoiler + JJR- "i love all these guys adopting the psycho-mean-angry Bray Wyatt look as a form of intimidation. here is Aron Baynes." Sounds like you are saying he is growing a beard to intimidate other players. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. It's an assumption. Response:JC- "I don't think its intimidation I think its the hipster thing. There are so many big mangy beards around now a days, not just in sports but also whenever I hit the public. I'm ok with it, as long as the skinny jeans go away." A differing personal opinion, and a valid one. In many areas hipsters are abundant and sport similar looks, often with thick rimmed glasses, styled mustaches, and jeans their younger sister used to wear. Defensive posturing:JJR- "according to studies beards scare males away. that intimidation factor contributes to the beard growing decision for some athletes in all sports, not just basketball. and it happens in any era, not just now. just as 1 example, Lyle Alzado." This is followed with an article from The Daily Mail, but originally made for The Conversation. Not a source I go to for my scientific articles but hey I'd love to use hte link to read the full results, except it isn't there. Going deeper it's an OK study that leaves out many variables including the cost and technology of shaving over the years and how trends are made. Even if it was a good source/study, why the hell is it being brought up? To confirm your opinion (and that's all it is) is more valid than anothers? Later you post more confirmation bias with the BBC article, which is actually the same article. the same author originally made for The Conversation. Then:JJR- "the science says that at the deepest levels males grow beards to intimidate regardless of what their conscious beliefs on the matter might be." That's not what the study says, the study draws no concrete conclusions and honestly being unable to find the original study to examine any flaws in the methodology, it's more of a sensationalistic article than science. Then a statement on Lek behavior in which you post a link to Britannica which describes the animal behavior and has no mention of humans and state "according to some prominent social scientists all sports are a form of lek behaviour". ? You described lek behavior but it doesn't tie into your original statement and with no scientific links I don't understand the point of this. Are you moving the goalposts? Then it devolves back into "you didn't read this", "no, you didn't read this", "you misread me" And then, to strengthen your position that beards are grown subconsciously to intimidate others, you quote a blog........... A blog with the word philosophy spelled philASIFy. With the word As If clearly inserted into it. Complain about SOMEONE ELSES source, before saying that their position on concussions is wrong. The goal posts have now been moved, possibly lost, along with your credibility in this discussion.... On NBA players beards... | ||
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On October 02 2016 11:06 giftdgecko wrote: JJR- "i love all these guys adopting the psycho-mean-angry Bray Wyatt look as a form of intimidation. here is Aron Baynes." Sounds like you are saying he is growing a beard to intimidate other players. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. It's an assumption. "sounds like" ... so you are acknowledging you are uncertain as to its meaning. and i added a more precise clarification later in the discussion. i'm discussing/laughing at players who grows beards to intimidate. they're a laugh. back to NBA basketball now: they say Carroll's knee is not 100%. he just started playing basketball last week. and they give him 20 minutes in the first pre-season game? huh? i hope Caboclo gets more playing time. who cares if he makes 1000 mistakes. | ||
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On October 02 2016 11:59 JimmiC wrote: instead of ever admitting you could possibly be wrong even partially you die on that hill, and when that doesn't work you move the target. Spot on. Jimmy's the sort of guy who'll never 'lose' an argument, regardless of whether he's right or not. It doesn't matter how often you point out exactly how he's full of shit, he'll just ignore the meat of what you're saying or counter with another flawed/irrelevant argument, that distracts from the problems with his original assertion. Of course sometimes he's right, but the absolute conviction and diehard defense of his every opinion, stated as fact, is laughable. He'd make a fantastic politician. Not sure if beard theory is better or worse than Richard Jefferson. Oh and that recent Bosh one, he probably won't die so Spo 's concern must be fake! | ||
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/lue-reveals-motivated-cavaliers-money/ i wonder if this is technically a salary cap violation and if the league will offer some kind of announcement or slap on the wrist. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + 2 posters believed RJ would not get a raise. i believed he would get a raise. its all there. it also explains in there how LBJ resigning is formality making JR Smith Cavs #1 concern with RJ being #2. Common knowledge LBJ is back at the time i made the ranking of important FAs for the Cavs. here is ur incorrect projection on RJ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sports/510598-nba-offseason?page=5#82 "He was lucky to catch on for the minimum last year and it will be the same thing this year" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sports/510598-nba-offseason?page=6#105 "he will not get a raise" you specified no team. you stated "same thing". that is not what happened. he got a raise and multiyear deal. the other poster projected no raise along with u. i projected a raise and he was important to the Cavs. He re-signed right away during the 1 week moratorium thing. Previous year he signed with Cleveland in August as a late addition and was "lucky to catch on" as you correctly characterized it. He Got a Raise. HeGot a Multi-year deal. He signed early. Hardly the "same thing this year". the RJ case is closed... i'd rather talk about stuff going on this week in the NBA. on that note: Simmons expected to miss 3 months http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17686206/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-ben-simmons-surgery-foot-next-week usually when surgery is delayed by a week it means they are letting any swelling in the foot go down. they are waiting at least a few days or a week to operate on Simmons. So I guess this was a pretty serious break. fracture was by contact and not stress. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 03 2016 05:02 JimmiC wrote: I don't know when JR Smith got a raise, he's unsigned. But yes RJ did get a raise to just above the minimum which I was surprised by and admitted I was mildly surprised he got slightly more. The part everyone thought was ridiculaus was where you claimed he was one of the most important free agents on the market and then used his tiny contract to "prove that" also when you claimed he was better then delly, despite him getting 10x less money and shorter term. Also claiming he was the cavs second most important free agent. The case was closed, I'm not sure I wanna look back at all the other retarded stuff you said. But maybe I will this week if I have a rough day I do loves the lols. this is a welcome change you've been lobbying to have me banned from every thread for years. i guess the denial, anger, bargaining and depression stages are over and after 4 years and you've finally hit the acceptance stage. Norm Powell looks like he'll be a decent backup for Derozan this year. He closed out last year 35/75 from 3. Powell is quietly lobbying for more playing time. It'll be interesting to see how Casey/Weltman/Ujiri deal with Powell if he shoots out the lights early on in the regular season. Last year we got Skinny-Kyle and now this year we have Skinny-Terrence. Ross looked good tonight. No Carroll tonight. Right now, Poeltl looks like he does not belong in the league. http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/jamal-murray-know-im-one-best-scorers-nba/ Jamal Murray is talking some big talk. He looked like a good scorer tonight in the midst of mediocre-at-best defending. Murray connected on a shot over Poeltl that Biyombo would've blocked with his forehead. | ||
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http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-employee-dead-whittier-20161012-snap-story.html “At this time, there are no signs of foul play, and this incident is being investigated as a suicide,” Whittier police said Wednesday. “However, this is an ongoing investigation.” if anyone saw a shooter running through the grassy knoll that is above and to the right of the detective ...Rose might be in some trouble | ||
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Dead Men Tell No Tales. + Show Spoiler + LAPD stated several detectives are/were investigating not just the dead detective. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17781562/los-angeles-police-department-death-detective-nadine-hernandez-affect-derrick-rose-case its hilarious that each lawyer on either side of this trial is claiming this detective (a) unequivocally stated that a crime had been committed (2) stated there is no rape case here i'd just like to provide an addendum to make sense of these giant contradictions. most adults are liars. there, now it all makes sense. | ||
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On October 12 2016 10:05 BlackJack wrote: James Harden is averaging 30pts/15ast per40 in the preseason. It's preseason basketball but this move to PG may really give him some insane stat lines and maybe an MVP title. The biggest thing for increasing Harden's assist totals is that if their line up stays healthy they have actual shooters taking 3's in Ryan Anderson and Eric Gordon. They took tons of 3's last year, but as a team they were terrible. Also Dwight clearly wasn't into playing the defend and rebound, score on pick and roll plan. If healthy, Nene isn't going to be a huge drop off there for the regular season. Health for all 3 of those players is a big concern though. | ||
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On October 15 2016 02:40 Xeris wrote: Thanks for the Raptors inside info update. np, for in depth raptors coverage i recommend this guy. https://twitter.com/BlakeMurphyODC i agree with a large majority of his opinions as well. EDIT: Derrick Rose responded to one of my tweets about whatsherface. LOLOL. prolly his "social media team" responding in concert with his "legal team". | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17796435/cleveland-cavaliers-jr-smith-agree-4-year-57-million-contract maybe we should just scrap the regular season and have a best 41 out of 81 series between Cleveland and Golden State. It is kinda cool to see a team other than LA/NY/Chicago have the highest payroll. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
On October 15 2016 14:34 Jerubaal wrote: It's truly how amazing how many obstacles Lebron has had to overcome: Cleveland, Lebron, shit teammates, stupid owner, Lebron, shit coach, Lebron, crazy German dudes, crazy little Puerto Rican dudes, Cleveland again, Lebron, evil West Coasters, and also Lebron. I think you forgot LePirate, MustacheBron and CavsSuckBallsWithoutMe | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
On October 15 2016 14:34 Jerubaal wrote: It's truly how amazing how many obstacles Lebron has had to overcome: Cleveland, Lebron, shit teammates, stupid owner, Lebron, shit coach, Lebron, crazy German dudes, crazy little Puerto Rican dudes, Cleveland again, Lebron, evil West Coasters, and also Lebron. u forgot the lousy referees. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On October 15 2016 05:57 Jerubaal wrote: Anyone know when NBA tickets go on sale? I went to the Rockets website and it says not available. I checked Stubhub, but only the premiere seats and the nosebleeds were available. The value seats in the mezzanine were not. Looks like they are on sale on the Rocket's site: http://www.houstontoyotacenter.com/events/category/rockets | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On October 15 2016 14:34 Jerubaal wrote: It's truly how amazing how many obstacles Lebron has had to overcome: Cleveland, Lebron, shit teammates, stupid owner, Lebron, shit coach, Lebron, crazy German dudes, crazy little Puerto Rican dudes, Cleveland again, Lebron, evil West Coasters, and also Lebron. Lebron should definitely get credit for beating that stacked Golden State team. Player Lebron shouldn't get credit for overcoming the bad decisions of GM Lebron, though. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
looks like Rose will be ready for game 1 of the regular season. | ||
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TropicalHaze
Finland56 Posts
On October 20 2016 09:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ya, so Derrick Rose is cleared of any liability in the civil rape trial. after its over he takes pictures with the jurors and the judge says to Rose: "best of luck to you this year except when you play the lakers". looks like Rose will be ready for game 1 of the regular season. That's great news! Too bad he left Bulls for Knicks.. not the best career move if you ask me. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On October 17 2016 21:28 karazax wrote: Looks like they are on sale on the Rocket's site: http://www.houstontoyotacenter.com/events/category/rockets Yeah. Hmm, For some reason they are not selling those middle tickets anywhere. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 21 2016 04:39 zulu_nation8 wrote: I don't think people are prepared for how bad Rose is gonna be, he was below replacement level last year, he shouldn't be starting in the NBA, it's arguable if he would even be on a roster if he had a different name. Yea. He is like a wide receiver that drops 70% of the passes thrown to him. Last year he was really bad. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On October 25 2016 03:34 JimmiC wrote: Starbury announcing he is getting into e-sports. Team will likely be in China since he is basically Micheal Jordan over there. wow if he does that he might give Calvin Johnson a run for his money for most popular former Georgia Tech athlete. all our nerds will love him | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On October 21 2016 04:03 Jerubaal wrote: Yeah. Hmm, For some reason they are not selling those middle tickets anywhere. Which games and sections are you talking about? I'm looking at Mav's game for 10/30 for example and only three sections are shown as sold out in the upper tier. All the white areas are either luxury boxes or bar lounge areas or walk ways. It's been several years, but in the past sometimes we would get the cheapest seats available and then get reservations at the Red and White Bistro and request a good view of the court. It's $43 a person, but you get a chef prepared all you can eat buffet and top of the lower bowl view. Now it looks like it closes at the start of the 3rd quarter though, while we used to sit there for the whole game. Cost about $70 something back then for good seats and a great buffet, around $100 if you got alcohol. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19349 Posts
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