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On July 08 2016 01:19 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 23:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote: I'm not going through the laundry list of correct predictions i've made about the Raptors... its all in the threads.
Well you usually quote yourself to make sure everyone knows and noone bothers to dig up your mistakes/cherrypicking. Thing is you made multiple predictions for RJ and selectively chose the best one. You quote one of Jimmi's mistakes but another one of his was accurate: Show nested quote +On July 02 2016 22:21 JimmiC wrote: I bet jefferson makes less money and term then delly even though he played less minutes in game 7 and I have not done "digging or research" If RJ gets more money or term i'll give up the name. Whilst you virtually covered all your bases with this gem: Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 09:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote: RJ will probably get the same deal as last year or a bit better. i'd like to see the guy cash-in though. You basically did broad enough 'predictions,' that you were almost guaranteed to be correct on some parts, and then self-quoted the best one. I was wrong about RJ not getting a raise, but that was never really the disagreement. A pay increase of roughly $1 million doesn't indicate a '#2 priority' or 6th man quality FA and they almost certainly would've kept Delly for the same price. RJ even had to use retirement as leverage to get as much as he did. The thing is, you raved about RJ's importance then made several conservative predictions that cover the most likely scenarios but don't support your claims of his value. Now you're trying to claim you're right because he got one of the most pathetically small raises in a year of record salary inflation. Well played.
that prediction was JUne 29. i thought about the issue more deeply. Did more research and refined my prediction to what you saw July 1. My current and latest prediction turned out to be correct and it contained a high level of granularity. The team, trade exception use, the raise.
On June 2nd I had no clue Wade was leaving. By July 2 given the evidence at hand i stated "Wade is gone" while virtually every EPSN reporter said he was staying. I alter my opinions over time.
I alter my opinions over time. i don't really bother saying obvious stuff like "Lebron James is a really good player". I post stuff that I know is an unusual opinion. So I realize my posts will draw flak.
On July 08 2016 00:59 Jerubaal wrote: I think the problem with this discussion is there are no clear propositions. Rather you are arguing over some vague notion of goodness. on June 30, and July 1 JimmiC and Raynor posted exactly what they thought would happen with RJs contract situation. The result is now in. I further stated RJ is better than the average SF coming off the bench on a playoff team citing VC and Ross as examples of his direct competitors. Other than that, to a large extent you are 100% correct. i think i'll end it with your reasonable characterization... and on that note i'll return to talking only about the Raptors and Raptors905 because they are the only teams that i know better than the average TL.Net poster.
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On July 07 2016 18:21 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 17:21 Scarecrow wrote: I love me some IT2, I'd rate him around 7th behind Curry, WB, CP3, Lillard, Lowry and possibly Wall. People want a superstar on Boston cause they've got such a great defensive, bought in team to surround one with (not to mention Stevens), they just lack the extra firepower. It'd also be good for the league to have another contender team to take on the cavs in the east. there is no way he's 7th lol I said boston more because as a viable FA destination that could offer him decent money and a good chance at winning they're the most likely organization right now. And i think with Durant+Horford they'd be an interesting team at least.
I get it (sort of) but there's no upside to that team. If he were to go to the East I want Paul George on the team with Durant. Then it at least is interesting when matching up with Cleveland (healthy). As for PGs,
Undoubtedly better: Curry, WB, CP3, Lillard, Lowry, Irving, Wall, Approximately the same: Conley, Holiday, Bledsoe, Walker, Jackson, Teague, Livingston Question Marks with higher upside: Rose, Russel, Dunn, Greek Freak
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JimmyJ what makes you so hated is you say stupid shit then spend 4 pages fighting tooth and nail, changing your point and so on, instead of doing what normal person does and admit they were wrong or exaggerated. It's funny because at the end you always think you "won" when everyone else in the world just thinks you are a idiot.
RJ signed for 2.5 million which makes him the 168th paid person (tied with the super important Joel Anthony) in the NBA barely above the new veteran minimum and below the exception (meaning they could pay him more but didn't think he was worth it).
scarecrow being a normal Human. ]
On July 07 2016 17:21 Scarecrow wrote: I love me some IT2, I'd rate him around 7th behind Curry, WB, CP3, Lillard, Lowry and possibly Wall. People want a superstar on Boston cause they've got such a great defensive, bought in team to surround one with (not to mention Stevens), they just lack the extra firepower. It'd also be good for the league to have another contender team to take on the cavs in the east. there is no way he's 7th lol[/QUOTE] I guess I'm a little biased from fantasy, he's around 7th there. Always seems to put up great numbers despite his size and is coping remarkably well with being the #1 option in Boston. Broke some obscure boston scoring records last season too, and its far from the easiest franchise to do it in.[/QUOTE]
Me being a normal human.
On July 07 2016 02:27 JimmiC wrote: This is all you need to know about jimmyj mixes "facts" to deliver whatever made up point he is making. RJ shot 2-7 in these minutes he keeps quoting but over 50% in all of the playoffs most which was garbage time. He also ended up signing for 2 years 5 million. ( said 1 year minimum so he got more than I thought! look I admit it when I'm wrong, crazy I know.) Which will put him about last in NBA signings this year which shows his importance in the year when jimmyj stated he would be "one of the most important free agents" I have nothing again RJ good for his putting in a mildly useful playoff and extending his career. But pretending he anything more than a veteran presence who doesn't embarrass himself when he is put in is a joke. Also, this is the 4th time jimmyj has put in a reference to being done, including a picture of a dead horse 4 pages ago. Just shows his "trust worthiness". Your options with him are either read his links because his little posts about them are often false when you read the entire article or just ignore him all together, or my choice of call him out on his BS. The only problem is the last one is a full time job because he spews it over many threads (one he got kicked out of it but he gets really sensitive every time I bring it up.)
Other Hilarious JimmyJ stuff
[QUOTE]On June 15 2014 03:47 QuanticHawk wrote: The 2013-2014 season comes to a close as some fuckfaces won the Cup.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/eCDbw2n.png[/img]
Want a recap? GFY.
Offseason News:
• Noted idiot Jimmyjraynor got temped and his alt lamprey got banned [img]http://i.imgur.com/kkgR8z5l.png[/img]
Stupid shit in the last few days.
[QUOTE]On June 29 2016 06:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
if he cashes in due to the 2016 playoffs.. good for him. He is an important free agent.[/QUOTE]
mangle the Raptors repeatedly through 12 playoff games
[QUOTE]On June 29 2016 10:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
his offensive playoff stats in 2016 speak for themselves.
The guy has murdered teh Raptors in the 10 other playoff games with more than just stats you can slap down on a forum board. [QUOTE]On June 29 2016 09:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ya, the stuff he does you can't get from stats. most of the stuff i say here can't be backed by #s. There are no stats for that. you'll just have to take my word for it.
[QUOTE]On June 30 2016 22:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote: if he wants to be the starting small forward for a lousy team he can do that
[QUOTE]On July 01 2016 02:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote: and be a starter on a weak team.
Maybe in 3 years Ross will be a better player. Maybe. RJ was a better player than VC 10 years ago and he is still better today I guess that's why VC's #1 playoff memory is a graduation ceremony at UNC and RJ has 126 playoff games to his name.
Vince played 82 playoff games and was the best player on his team compared to RJ being the 3rd best on his team in his prime
LBJ , and Wade have all accepted lower pay to be on a championship level team. Richard Jefferson did the same thing last year [QUOTE]On July 01 2016 10:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote: after doing a bit of digging i think signing JR Smith is Cleveland's #1 priority and signing RJ is their #2 priority.
I've ran out of energy but there is so much more stupid shit. I could probably find 5 quotes of him being done with this topic alone.[/b][/u][/B]
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in general NBA news, it appears next year's salary cap won't go as high as expected. So maybe next year might not be the bonanaza it was this year.
http://www.sbnation.com/2016/7/7/12118546/nba-salary-cap-2017-low-102-million-lockout
"Instead of the cap being set at $108 million, it's expected to come in at $102 million"
"The most interesting case is the Warriors' and Kevin Durant. Since Durant is only signing a two-year contract with an opt out after next year, the Warriors cannot exceed the cap to re-sign him to a new five-year deal. as we expected (see scenario 3). Therefore, if Durant wants to be paid a full maximum salary on his next deal, the Warriors must use their cap space to give it to him."
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For KD, the Warriors gave up Barbosa and Bogut. I don't know how good Pachulia is, but Ezeli isn't good and they won't be able to play a bigger lineup as often, which is how they almost lost to OKC when Adams/Kanter dominated them.
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The GSW with Durant are likely a 62-65 win team in the regular season, but the more their rotation is shaping up, the more I'd be concerned about the playoffs. This incarnation reminds me a lot more of the 2007-2008 Celtics "Big 3". That team was 2 games shy of playing every game possible that playoffs. (4-3, 4-3, 4-2 & 4-2 for series scores.) While they were impressive, they had a lot of problems in the playoffs.
And GSW had notable issues in both Finals runs against teams, but now there is a clear blueprint for playing against them: put your best wing defender on Draymond and run Curry through a screen every time down the floor.
It's going to be fascinating to watch.
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Glad to see Wade jump from one of my favorite teams, to another favorite team.
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Calderon to the Lakers for 7mil/year.
Considering that they gave up essentially nothing, I like the addition for my lakers.
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On July 08 2016 09:37 imBLIND wrote: Calderon to the Lakers for 7mil/year.
Considering that they gave up essentially nothing, I like the addition for my lakers. they gave up nothing and got 2 second round picks from us cause they knew we needed to clear space
On July 08 2016 04:12 zulu_nation8 wrote: For KD, the Warriors gave up Barbosa and Bogut. I don't know how good Pachulia is, but Ezeli isn't good and they won't be able to play a bigger lineup as often, which is how they almost lost to OKC when Adams/Kanter dominated them. Pachulia is decent. Good rebounder, decent on offense. Not as good on defense as Bogut but serviceable. Definitely worth way more than 2 mill
On July 08 2016 02:34 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 18:21 DystopiaX wrote:On July 07 2016 17:21 Scarecrow wrote: I love me some IT2, I'd rate him around 7th behind Curry, WB, CP3, Lillard, Lowry and possibly Wall. People want a superstar on Boston cause they've got such a great defensive, bought in team to surround one with (not to mention Stevens), they just lack the extra firepower. It'd also be good for the league to have another contender team to take on the cavs in the east. there is no way he's 7th lol I said boston more because as a viable FA destination that could offer him decent money and a good chance at winning they're the most likely organization right now. And i think with Durant+Horford they'd be an interesting team at least. I get it (sort of) but there's no upside to that team. If he were to go to the East I want Paul George on the team with Durant. Then it at least is interesting when matching up with Cleveland (healthy). As for PGs, Undoubtedly better: Curry, WB, CP3, Lillard, Lowry, Irving, Wall, Approximately the same: Conley, Holiday, Bledsoe, Walker, Jackson, Teague, Livingston Question Marks with higher upside: Rose, Russel, Dunn, Greek Freak I think Conley, Walker are undoubtedly better than IT2 for sure. Teague probably also better.
Livingston is better on on certain teams depending on what you want, in a vacuum agree they're around the same.
Probably throw Jeremy Lin in approximately the same. Would say IT2 is better but it's close.
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IT2 is way way better lin and I would take IT2 over walker and livingston.
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IT2 is Lin's best case scenario when he runs the offense at Brooklyn. I wanna believe, but his skillset seems best for 6th man.
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Ezeli to portland on 16/2years. We get to keep our RFAs too!
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shieeeeet, it's 7.4m the first year and 7.3 the second with a team option.
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On July 08 2016 10:35 zulu_nation8 wrote: ok, warriors are fucked Bookmarking this for when they go back 2 back. Ezeli's pretty irrelevant. Durant, Draymond, Zaza and West will do fine.
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Ezeli was playing so badly in the playoffs that he basically was unplayable against the Thunder and Cavs. The Warriors aren't going to miss him.
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crazy that Mozgov got 16 million/year and Ezeli got 7. Why aren't people talking about this being a huge steal? 1 month ago people were hyping the fuck outta this guy, and he plays badly in the finals and everyone ignores him? Weird.
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health issues mainly, bad knees
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On July 08 2016 15:25 Xeris wrote: crazy that Mozgov got 16 million/year and Ezeli got 7. Why aren't people talking about this being a huge steal? 1 month ago people were hyping the fuck outta this guy, and he plays badly in the finals and everyone ignores him? Weird.
Probably because Ezeli was a massive liability against both OKC & Cleveland. Though the real reasons are a little more detailed:
1) Because of the Durant situation, Ezeli was probably hoping to stick out with GSW, but the market for Big Men was pretty closed by the time Durant choose to sign with GSW.
2) His Agent seems to have not gotten the best deal possible.
3) 2015/Healthy Mozgov is worth 18-20 million per season. That Mozgov is also significantly better than Ezeli.
4) For as much money was out there, the Big Men money had dried up pretty quickly. The Lakers signed Mozgov in the first hour of free agency, and probably got a discount for it. Mozgov could have potentially gotten more other places.
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On July 08 2016 04:12 zulu_nation8 wrote: For KD, the Warriors gave up Barbosa and Bogut. I don't know how good Pachulia is, but Ezeli isn't good and they won't be able to play a bigger lineup as often, which is how they almost lost to OKC when Adams/Kanter dominated them.
Kanter averaged 12 mins a game vs warriors. He was largely irrelevant. I think you're thinking of spurs series where the kanter/Adams front court did all the damage.
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