EPTIt's offseason time, officially! The first trades are going down, and the Draft is tomorrow. Bury the past and prepare for the future: DISCUSS!
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
It's offseason time, officially! The first trades are going down, and the Draft is tomorrow. Bury the past and prepare for the future: DISCUSS! | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
Getting lopez probably means that Noah and possibly Gasol aren't coming back, which does leave the bulls with cap room. The problem is, almost every team in the league has cap room, and who would want to come to the Bulls to play with this garbage front office, incompetent training staff that misdiagnoses/exacerbates injuries, and a 2nd year coach in Hoiberg? And what FA could you possibly pick up that gives you as much potential for winning in the East as Rose? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16998 Posts
On June 23 2016 09:34 DystopiaX wrote: pissed about the d rose trade. I get the rumors about chemistry issues, and if it's between Rose and Butler you pick Butler, but getting Lopez, Grant, Calderon is garbage. Calderon is a solid 16 mpg off the bench point guard.AND a big part of the Spanish national team! If the Bulls ask nicely he might find some time to fit them into his busy schedule. | ||
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rebdomine
6040 Posts
Or will the Bulls just blow the whole roster up? | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On June 23 2016 09:34 DystopiaX wrote: pissed about the d rose trade. I get the rumors about chemistry issues, and if it's between Rose and Butler you pick Butler, but getting Lopez, Grant, Calderon is garbage. I know Rose is on an expiring, but after his eye shit cleared up he played pretty well. And even if you're set on trading him, there's no reason not to exercise patience and at least hunt around for better offers. At least get a pick or something. Getting lopez probably means that Noah and possibly Gasol aren't coming back, which does leave the bulls with cap room. The problem is, almost every team in the league has cap room, and who would want to come to the Bulls to play with this garbage front office, incompetent training staff that misdiagnoses/exacerbates injuries, and a 2nd year coach in Hoiberg? And what FA could you possibly pick up that gives you as much potential for winning in the East as Rose? It feels like a lose-lose trade. I get that Lopez is on a great contract and they wanted Grant, but where does that put them? They seem just so-so, at the moment. And the Knicks... so they pick up Rose and maybe Dwight and do what with them? I guess it's a better win-now gamble than the Nets' with Pierce and Garnett, but it doesn't seem much better. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13293 Posts
On June 23 2016 09:34 DystopiaX wrote: pissed about the d rose trade. I get the rumors about chemistry issues, and if it's between Rose and Butler you pick Butler, but getting Lopez, Grant, Calderon is garbage. I know Rose is on an expiring, but after his eye shit cleared up he played pretty well. And even if you're set on trading him, there's no reason not to exercise patience and at least hunt around for better offers. At least get a pick or something. Getting lopez probably means that Noah and possibly Gasol aren't coming back, which does leave the bulls with cap room. The problem is, almost every team in the league has cap room, and who would want to come to the Bulls to play with this garbage front office, incompetent training staff that misdiagnoses/exacerbates injuries, and a 2nd year coach in Hoiberg? And what FA could you possibly pick up that gives you as much potential for winning in the East as Rose? I'm going the opposite way. I think this was a bad trade for the Knicks. They gave up their third best asset in RoLo, a guy that actually has value across the league, for a broken Rose who is barely playable in the NBA now. I like Rose, I really do, but he's at that same point TMac was when he had all his knee problems. His entire game is based on athleticism he doesn't have anymore. What NBA skill does Rose bring to the table now? He can't shoot, he's an unspectacular passer, he's a very inefficient scorer and his speed/athleticism has fallen off a cliff. Worst of all his usage is still insanely high for his woeful production level: he was 24th in the league last year for usage. That puts him ahead of guys like Kemba, Klay, Kawhi, LMA, Lowry, Towns, Butler, Marc Gasol etc. The Knicks are taking a massive punt that he can recapture the magic that was last seen well over three seasons ago now. RoLo is hardly taking them to the promised land, but he's a good player that contributes and moves the needle. Rose hasn't done that in a long time and I doubt he will for the Knicks. Not the mention this is just a move that is taking touches away from Porzingis and potentially harming his growth as a player too. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13293 Posts
Post All-Star Games: 21 Mins: 30.9 Pts: 17.4 FG%: .468 3pt%: .375 FTs: averaged only 2.4 FTs a game on 78% shooting Rebs: 3.1 Ast: 4.6 TO: 2.6 Doesn't look so bad? Consider he had the highest usage on his team. He was one of five guys in the top 50 of usage that had an off rating below 100. The others were Kobe, Schroeder, Mudiay and Ish Smith. And this for a guy whose value is supposed to be on offence. This is just another in a line of bad moves from a Knicks franchise that has never had the discipline to build a winning NBA team. They keep making the same mistakes over and over. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
I'm praying for KD2DC... or for the Wizards to swing a trade for Boogie to reunite him + Wall | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7229 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13293 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13293 Posts
Unfortunately the latter looks far more likely. If the Knicks has the cajones they'd offer Melo to Boston for the #3 and Brooklyn's unprotected pick next year and see if they bite. This way they could actually build around Porzingis and some young talent. Instead it's just the same old crap from them. They just never learn. You can't 'win-now' in the NBA like they're trying to do unless you sign one of maybe four guys who are untouchable: Lebron, Curry, Durant or Davis. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On June 23 2016 12:46 RowdierBob wrote: I'm going the opposite way. I think this was a bad trade for the Knicks. They gave up their third best asset in RoLo, a guy that actually has value across the league, for a broken Rose who is barely playable in the NBA now. I like Rose, I really do, but he's at that same point TMac was when he had all his knee problems. His entire game is based on athleticism he doesn't have anymore. What NBA skill does Rose bring to the table now? He can't shoot, he's an unspectacular passer, he's a very inefficient scorer and his speed/athleticism has fallen off a cliff. Worst of all his usage is still insanely high for his woeful production level: he was 24th in the league last year for usage. That puts him ahead of guys like Kemba, Klay, Kawhi, LMA, Lowry, Towns, Butler, Marc Gasol etc. The Knicks are taking a massive punt that he can recapture the magic that was last seen well over three seasons ago now. RoLo is hardly taking them to the promised land, but he's a good player that contributes and moves the needle. Rose hasn't done that in a long time and I doubt he will for the Knicks. Not the mention this is just a move that is taking touches away from Porzingis and potentially harming his growth as a player too. having watched those games our entire team was a mess, his assist numbers are low because half our 3pt shooters can't make open shots, his FT numbers are low because he doesn't get calls (in reddit threads even opposing teams agreed that he was getting hammered and no calls) and he was generally the only one trying at all on the Bulls. His jumper also showed signs of improvement around february or so when he said that his eye wasn't bothering him anymore. I think the move is fine for the Knicks because they still have caproom to swing for dwight or pau (or settle for Noah), they didn't give up any picks at all so it doesn't sabotage their future at all. Either D Rose works out (and if he doesn't get injured I think he will) or he doesn't and you gave up very little on a gamble that could potentially pay off very well. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13293 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
It's a good risk trade for the Knicks and a good rebuilding trade for the Bulls. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16998 Posts
Edit: The Knicks well the deal makes a bit more sense now. With or Without this deal the Knicks are a long overhaul project. With this deal the Knicks have a small probability of becoming really good quickly. That small probability is equal to the probability of Derrick Rose returning to being 85+% as good as he was in his MVP year. The Knicks can then tempt free agents with a healthy ball distributor and lots of cap space to spend. If Rose sucks the Knicks are the same position as they were a week ago. A long term overhaul project. Kudos to the Knicks for taking this riverboat gamble. At least they are trying something. To quote Ayn Rand, the most important intellectual of the 20th century : "stillness is the antithesis of life". | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On June 23 2016 15:00 RowdierBob wrote: If Rose pans out it will of course be a brilliant move by the Knicks. But if he still sucks then they're in a pickle: do you let him walk for nothing (and waste the RoLo asset) or double down on your belief he still has 'it' and re-sign him to a ridiculous contract that he'll no doubt demand. Unfortunately the latter looks far more likely. If the Knicks has the cajones they'd offer Melo to Boston for the #3 and Brooklyn's unprotected pick next year and see if they bite. This way they could actually build around Porzingis and some young talent. Instead it's just the same old crap from them. They just never learn. You can't 'win-now' in the NBA like they're trying to do unless you sign one of maybe four guys who are untouchable: Lebron, Curry, Durant or Davis. Yeah, the Knicks front office is stupid. They don't have the patience to build a proper winning team and are mortgaging their future for at best a second round playoff exit. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On June 23 2016 07:47 imBLIND wrote: IF KD moves to golden state, I'm gonna be pretty pissed. It feels like the collection of talent in the NBA is becoming more and more concentrated. | ||
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