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BfA Community Links:
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On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote:
I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother.

Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion.

Form
Spreadsheet

If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 28 2019 15:45 GMT
#10681
Yeah, GG Method. Well deserved, looks like they had the better strategy/raid setup for the boss. Limit was pulling way more and took less breaks, however it seems like it didn't pay off. I was watching the Method stream a lot in the first days when progress was made. Skipped the last days mostly, except for yesterday and today where it was getting more exciting.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
July 29 2019 13:40 GMT
#10682
The hotfix really fucked limit since that was the biggest flaw of methods strat.
High Risk Low Reward
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
July 30 2019 00:11 GMT
#10683
On July 29 2019 22:40 Spicy_Curry wrote:
The hotfix really fucked limit since that was the biggest flaw of methods strat.


Which hotfix are we referring to? There were a few that happened.

The most prominent one was the amount the wards lose per second which meant you could soak less stacks than before.

The rest of the hotfixes were nice, but stated that they were not needed since the problem they were running into was just people dying from having to soak so much.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-30 00:35:06
July 30 2019 00:22 GMT
#10684
Yeah gz to Method! I've been busy, didn't even watch the kill pull yet

Been pulling Ashvane M for several raid days but it's so much more of a patchwerk output wall than the first three that there's little to gain from pulling it. I flat out can't deal enough damage to beat the fight right now, nor can most of my raid even if everyone were to stay alive for the whole fight
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
July 30 2019 01:25 GMT
#10685
Oh boy oh boy

Less than a month to go until I'm spamming stuff like "LFG WC" in barrens chat

I cannot wait
+ Show Spoiler +
And yes I'll probably just get bored and frustrated with it after a couple of weeks but still
~ ~ <°)))><~ ~ ~
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28091 Posts
July 30 2019 02:20 GMT
#10686
I'm curious, what is it about Limit that has been holding them back? I'm asking because I only watched a bit of the race this time around so I can't really pinpoint the issues on my own. It seemed like they were a solid day ahead at some point.
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Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
July 30 2019 03:26 GMT
#10687
On July 30 2019 11:20 TheEmulator wrote:
I'm curious, what is it about Limit that has been holding them back? I'm asking because I only watched a bit of the race this time around so I can't really pinpoint the issues on my own. It seemed like they were a solid day ahead at some point.


In Azshara's case, I feel that their strategy was not as good for a world first execution stand point. At that level people need to be able to execute the strats to the letter, and Method showed that the extra damage taken Limit is covering with a 3rd healer isn't needed.

I think 3 heal is the way to go in the end, but with current dps that puts massive strain on your dps to perform at the tip top of their damage range (Limit barely killed it, if they had even 1% more overall dps they would have killed it before the 5th console and killing 90% of their raid). I think next set of gear Limits kills will be way cleaner with 3 heals, and Method will move to 3 heals for sure as well with a bit more gear for safety.

Many of Limits pulls people were dying to not paying attention to mechanics they knew were there. Late p4 wipes to miss soaking or dying to the nzoth eyes. Its tough to make up for lost dps with such a tight check right now.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
July 30 2019 04:26 GMT
#10688
I think a lot of it has to do with inexperience with world first raiding. Focusing on something 14 hours a day for 2 weeks straight is hard even if you're just sitting in a chair playing a game. It's a mental toll and it's clear from watching the stream that a good number of Limit raiders aren't as prepared for that as Method raiders. There was a lot of people just eating junk food every day because they didn't like the Red Bull catering, and when your only meal is milkshakes you're gonna feel like crap near the end.
rip
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-30 16:44:51
July 30 2019 05:56 GMT
#10689
On July 30 2019 12:26 Alventenie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 11:20 TheEmulator wrote:
I'm curious, what is it about Limit that has been holding them back? I'm asking because I only watched a bit of the race this time around so I can't really pinpoint the issues on my own. It seemed like they were a solid day ahead at some point.


In Azshara's case, I feel that their strategy was not as good for a world first execution stand point. At that level people need to be able to execute the strats to the letter, and Method showed that the extra damage taken Limit is covering with a 3rd healer isn't needed.

I think 3 heal is the way to go in the end, but with current dps that puts massive strain on your dps to perform at the tip top of their damage range (Limit barely killed it, if they had even 1% more overall dps they would have killed it before the 5th console and killing 90% of their raid). I think next set of gear Limits kills will be way cleaner with 3 heals, and Method will move to 3 heals for sure as well with a bit more gear for safety.

Many of Limits pulls people were dying to not paying attention to mechanics they knew were there. Late p4 wipes to miss soaking or dying to the nzoth eyes. Its tough to make up for lost dps with such a tight check right now.


Yeah the 2 heal strat put alot more personal responsibility on players to survive P3.

Method seemed ok with making P4 a bit less than Limit might but with a higher probability of success if they made it through with a healthy count alive.

This is the second time in 2 tiers Method has crunched the numbers in a way that allowed them to go for zerg(ish) ends banking on God pulls. So Limits early lead in percentages didnt mean anything.

The bottom line though is at the moment they are just better players imo.

Beyond that, I dont think there too was much strategical superiority. Method pulled alot less and pulled alot smarter. There were alot of points where the Limit guys looked like Zombies.. even during Zaquul. Which they managed to pull out but the quality of the pulls was inconsistent right upto the end, so perhaps thats something they may want to consider. But that was just an observation and could be wrong. Its not fair to make the judgement when you arent the one playing, but im sure it has some effect nonetheless.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-30 23:19:25
July 30 2019 12:46 GMT
#10690
I play objectively worse at the end of a 3-4hr raid, let alone a 2 week marathon with poor sleep, stress and nutrition :D

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/459954080

LOL
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
July 31 2019 18:35 GMT
#10691
The strat method used to get through the 3 witches was crazy sketch because they were 2 healing. They took that risk in order to have a easier time in the last phase. When blizzard nerfed the phase it made methods strategy far safer.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-01 19:51:23
August 01 2019 19:46 GMT
#10692
Got ashvane 39% halfway through third shield, going better than last week but the math still isn't there. If we had everyone alive we would probably carapace at 10% hp still
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
SaTiN
Profile Joined June 2014
United States54 Posts
August 02 2019 01:13 GMT
#10693
Is anyone planning on playing WoW Classic? Horde or Alliance? Is there a plan to get a guild of TL people started?

Not sure what I'd play if I roll horde, other than that it would probably be a healer. Dwarf Priest if Alliance, as I started with a Dwarf Paladin back in the day and want to try some other healer (and still would want to roll a Dwarf).
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-02 01:49:52
August 02 2019 01:43 GMT
#10694
Yeah, EU alliance. Dunno about TL guild, we're all over the place. There's a thread specifically for Classic.

There's also a classic stress test in a week that everybody is invited to so that we can simulate the launch, that'll be a fun trainwreck!
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-06 09:28:52
August 03 2019 22:23 GMT
#10695
Mechagon hardmode immortal done, yeah bois! That was a ton of fun

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Decided to go for keystone master season 3 for another set of R4 essence appearances after that one. We had a great night pushing as well; rotated through people on some group slots but we got four 15+1's, a 15+2 and a 16+1 on 6 different dungeons which is super good for me at least, from 0/10 to 6/10 :D

Missing Tol'dagor, Freehold, Underrot and Atal'dazar which should be quite easy to fill out relative to some of the others

------------

Got it!
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I was wrong, that was a huge pain in the ass and took like 12 hours of game time for 4 dungeons. One of them finished 7 secs before the timer, another 9 seconds before

Very relieving to be done although it's BS that it costs 800 residuum for an achievement-gated cosmetic, this stuff used to cost trivial amounts of gold. It's not much but in principle that could stop you buying an item for days if the math lined up in a really inconvenient way, especially considering that there are 2-4 of these items to buy once you've got the achievement and unlocks.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
August 07 2019 03:26 GMT
#10696
LMAO right now, this is quite possibly the worst $20 mount ever released
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"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-09 17:49:11
August 09 2019 17:48 GMT
#10697
Classic server list is up. Only two PVP English servers for EU, are they serious? LOL

EU
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-realm-names-and-types-europe/67930

Americas
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-realm-names-and-types/246645
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18834 Posts
August 09 2019 17:52 GMT
#10698
So, among folks wanting to play EST America servers, anyone got a preference for Faerlina, Herod, or Thalnos?
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21904 Posts
August 09 2019 18:01 GMT
#10699
On August 10 2019 02:48 Grettin wrote:
Classic server list is up. Only two PVP English servers for EU, are they serious? LOL

EU
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-realm-names-and-types-europe/67930

Americas
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-realm-names-and-types/246645
Starting with 2 PvP and 2 PvE realms sounds like a better idea then starting with 4 and having them be ghost towns after a month.

Classic is going to start big because of the hype behind it but I would expect it to lose a truly massive amount of players after the honeymoon period is over, like 80% or more.

And if not, its easy enough to open a few new realms and offer free transfers.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-09 18:42:28
August 09 2019 18:37 GMT
#10700
On August 10 2019 03:01 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2019 02:48 Grettin wrote:
Classic server list is up. Only two PVP English servers for EU, are they serious? LOL

EU
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-realm-names-and-types-europe/67930

Americas
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-realm-names-and-types/246645
Starting with 2 PvP and 2 PvE realms sounds like a better idea then starting with 4 and having them be ghost towns after a month.

Classic is going to start big because of the hype behind it but I would expect it to lose a truly massive amount of players after the honeymoon period is over, like 80% or more.

And if not, its easy enough to open a few new realms and offer free transfers.


Sorry but i see this in a completely opposite way. You can do that the other way around. Have 3-4 PVP servers, migrate servers later if they start to get low pop.

Having just two PVP servers is going to make the servers massively overpopulated and create massive queues, i.e making the experience miserable. It makes zero sense to start small and raise the amount later, especially during launch.

It's a classic developer mistake when it comes to highly anticipated launches of any game, to underestimate your capacity and playerbase and not prepare for that. This is literally it, with only two real PVP servers for all of the English speaking players in Europe.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
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