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On October 13 2018 13:58 Tappo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2018 12:31 TheEmulator wrote:I wish logging M+ was actually a thing. I'm kind of stuck at this point right now where I can't really do anything higher than a 6-7 key on my rogue (and tbh even finding a 7 pug takes about 1-2 hours). In two weeks I've only gone up a couple of ilvls because of bad M+ caches, and getting either duplicate drops or no drops from heroic uldir (stuck at 357 currently). I'm not the best DPS by any means since I've been playing less than two months, but I'm generally the top dps by far in the keys that I'm doing. Just did a +6 ML with a 374 mage who was helping his friend pug his key, and I put up a more dps than him in the overall numbers. Anyway if M+ were logged more often I'm sure I could get into higher keys, but atm people just see that I'm 357 and haven't done higher than a 7. My only options are to keep doing 6-7 keys to grind my score a bit higher (which is painful considering it takes me so long to get into groups), or pray that the loot gods bring me up to 365+ next week  You could also just log them yourself
I mean of course, but that is not what I'm getting at here. Literally no one uploads or checks M+ logs (except high end M+ runners ofc), so even if I did upload my own it really doesn't matter. Anyone not running +15s and higher will probably just check raider.io and maybe your raid logs at most. I'd be uploading my logs for no one to see.
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Yeah if you only pug it's a really slow grind to upper keys because nobody wants to "risk" with low ilvl/io scores.
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On October 13 2018 12:31 TheEmulator wrote:I wish logging M+ was actually a thing. I'm kind of stuck at this point right now where I can't really do anything higher than a 6-7 key on my rogue (and tbh even finding a 7 pug takes about 1-2 hours). In two weeks I've only gone up a couple of ilvls because of bad M+ caches, and getting either duplicate drops or no drops from heroic uldir (stuck at 357 currently). I'm not the best DPS by any means since I've been playing less than two months, but I'm generally the top dps by far in the keys that I'm doing. Just did a +6 ML with a 374 mage who was helping his friend pug his key, and I put up a more dps than him in the overall numbers. Anyway if M+ were logged more often I'm sure I could get into higher keys, but atm people just see that I'm 357 and haven't done higher than a 7. My only options are to keep doing 6-7 keys to grind my score a bit higher (which is painful considering it takes me so long to get into groups), or pray that the loot gods bring me up to 365+ next week
I have the same experience trying to put as dps. Takes forever applying to get accepted. Just spent an hour in a 7 Tol Dagor that broke up wiping on the last boss. Two players couldn’t avoid cannons and crossfire long enough to kill boss on Tyrannical. Rest died from deadeye and group damage. Back to queue forever to find another group that won’t have tank leave before end, or group break apart.. I try and get a tank friend to lend a hand every week to get me at least a 7, sometimes a 9-10.
I keep on replacing just legs and boots, so my ilevel is super frozen. I don’t grind instances and raids enough (I’m pretty casual for playtime) to just power through bad luck with increased drop chances.
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On October 13 2018 14:41 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Yeah if you only pug it's a really slow grind to upper keys because nobody wants to "risk" with low ilvl/io scores.
Yea, and to be quite honest I get it because if I was a 370 running my weekly 10 I wouldn't take the risk either. I'm not really mad or anything since it makes sense, it's just really annoying
@danglars I've actually had decent luck finishing the keys, my only issue is getting in the group to begin with. Although I've missed a couple of +7 timers by 1-2 minutes because the other two DPS are only doing 6-7k overall lol.
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On October 13 2018 14:38 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2018 13:58 Tappo wrote:On October 13 2018 12:31 TheEmulator wrote:I wish logging M+ was actually a thing. I'm kind of stuck at this point right now where I can't really do anything higher than a 6-7 key on my rogue (and tbh even finding a 7 pug takes about 1-2 hours). In two weeks I've only gone up a couple of ilvls because of bad M+ caches, and getting either duplicate drops or no drops from heroic uldir (stuck at 357 currently). I'm not the best DPS by any means since I've been playing less than two months, but I'm generally the top dps by far in the keys that I'm doing. Just did a +6 ML with a 374 mage who was helping his friend pug his key, and I put up a more dps than him in the overall numbers. Anyway if M+ were logged more often I'm sure I could get into higher keys, but atm people just see that I'm 357 and haven't done higher than a 7. My only options are to keep doing 6-7 keys to grind my score a bit higher (which is painful considering it takes me so long to get into groups), or pray that the loot gods bring me up to 365+ next week You could also just log them yourself I mean of course, but that is not what I'm getting at here. Literally no one uploads or checks M+ logs (except high end M+ runners ofc), so even if I did upload my own it really doesn't matter. Anyone not running +15s and higher will probably just check raider.io and maybe your raid logs at most. I'd be uploading my logs for no one to see.
+ Show Spoiler +I play pretty much solo. The IRL friends who I do play with I only play with on the weekend and they are either pretty bod or basically just rotation bots who can dps but cant multi task, I am able to get 12 or 11 keys most weeks and I save them for them so they can get some experience and get 10 or 11s of their own.
Its messy but its good laughs and I have fun.
If I played more it wouldnt be difficult to start getting in the odd grp and grind your M+ score up. Thats what other solo players do to get to that level.
Yes and with good reason, thats a waste of time. No one cares what your dps is in a failed timer. I have over a dozen applicants for a slot that easy to fill with experienced people. Why should I go checking someones logs in their failed 6's and 7s.
If you have the ability, skill etc to cover that content and you want efficiency you cant do it alone, otherwise its simply a matter of putting in the time.
edit: it occurred to me to this sort of grievance feels oddly similar when people are annoyed they are sitting in archon even though constantly perform the best on their teams . (If only valve looked at my KD that game, annoying mmr ...) Not a perfect analogy but you get my drift i hope..
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On October 13 2018 15:19 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2018 14:38 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 13:58 Tappo wrote:On October 13 2018 12:31 TheEmulator wrote:I wish logging M+ was actually a thing. I'm kind of stuck at this point right now where I can't really do anything higher than a 6-7 key on my rogue (and tbh even finding a 7 pug takes about 1-2 hours). In two weeks I've only gone up a couple of ilvls because of bad M+ caches, and getting either duplicate drops or no drops from heroic uldir (stuck at 357 currently). I'm not the best DPS by any means since I've been playing less than two months, but I'm generally the top dps by far in the keys that I'm doing. Just did a +6 ML with a 374 mage who was helping his friend pug his key, and I put up a more dps than him in the overall numbers. Anyway if M+ were logged more often I'm sure I could get into higher keys, but atm people just see that I'm 357 and haven't done higher than a 7. My only options are to keep doing 6-7 keys to grind my score a bit higher (which is painful considering it takes me so long to get into groups), or pray that the loot gods bring me up to 365+ next week You could also just log them yourself I mean of course, but that is not what I'm getting at here. Literally no one uploads or checks M+ logs (except high end M+ runners ofc), so even if I did upload my own it really doesn't matter. Anyone not running +15s and higher will probably just check raider.io and maybe your raid logs at most. I'd be uploading my logs for no one to see. No one is going to care what your logs are in a 6-7 or 8 M+ if you are thinking that people are going to take you to higher keys because of your dps at that level. People would prefer experience and want to know that you have done the content at that level dps is like just the bare minimum of understanding higher lvl M+ .. If you dont want this grind to be slow, make friends in the game from the pool of people you have experience with and work your way up with them.
I didn't imply that dps is the only thing that matters anywhere in my post. I didn't even say that dps was what I wanted people to see in my logs. The only time I brought up dps was in an unrelated note about how poorly my pug teammates are performing.
Right now people invite you to a pug based on your A) highest completed key and B) your raider.io score. If logs were more of a thing in M+ I'm just trying to say it would be a helpful way for people like myself who are performing above their level to get noticed. Even IF people were just using logs to look at dps it’s still more valuable than a score that has no bearing on your skill.
edit: noticed your edit. I feel like you insert things into what I'm saying constantly. I also didn't say I wasn't willing to put in the effort to grind my M+ up. I'm currently doing that as we speak. I just made a comment about my frustration.
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On October 13 2018 15:38 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2018 15:19 Rebs wrote:On October 13 2018 14:38 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 13:58 Tappo wrote:On October 13 2018 12:31 TheEmulator wrote:I wish logging M+ was actually a thing. I'm kind of stuck at this point right now where I can't really do anything higher than a 6-7 key on my rogue (and tbh even finding a 7 pug takes about 1-2 hours). In two weeks I've only gone up a couple of ilvls because of bad M+ caches, and getting either duplicate drops or no drops from heroic uldir (stuck at 357 currently). I'm not the best DPS by any means since I've been playing less than two months, but I'm generally the top dps by far in the keys that I'm doing. Just did a +6 ML with a 374 mage who was helping his friend pug his key, and I put up a more dps than him in the overall numbers. Anyway if M+ were logged more often I'm sure I could get into higher keys, but atm people just see that I'm 357 and haven't done higher than a 7. My only options are to keep doing 6-7 keys to grind my score a bit higher (which is painful considering it takes me so long to get into groups), or pray that the loot gods bring me up to 365+ next week You could also just log them yourself I mean of course, but that is not what I'm getting at here. Literally no one uploads or checks M+ logs (except high end M+ runners ofc), so even if I did upload my own it really doesn't matter. Anyone not running +15s and higher will probably just check raider.io and maybe your raid logs at most. I'd be uploading my logs for no one to see. No one is going to care what your logs are in a 6-7 or 8 M+ if you are thinking that people are going to take you to higher keys because of your dps at that level. People would prefer experience and want to know that you have done the content at that level dps is like just the bare minimum of understanding higher lvl M+ .. If you dont want this grind to be slow, make friends in the game from the pool of people you have experience with and work your way up with them. I didn't imply that dps is the only thing that matters anywhere in my post. I didn't even say that dps was what I wanted people to see in my logs. The only time I brought up dps was in an unrelated note about how poorly my pug teammates are performing. Right now people invite you to a pug based on your A) highest completed key and B) your raider.io score. If logs were more of a thing in M+ I'm just trying to say it would be a helpful way for people like myself who are performing above their level to get noticed.
You are at the level you are at because you belong there. If you think otherwise see my edit above.
let me ask you this then, what are you expecting people to look at in your logs? The game is significantly more charitable than its ever been and raider IO wasnt really a thing when I quit in legion but I think its great.
Its the perfect balance between simply inviting someone with a +10 or 15 achi *(like it was pre raider IO) and hope they werent a carried scrub and having through look through pointless logs that would tell me pretty much nothing a raider Io doesnt already.
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On October 13 2018 15:41 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2018 15:38 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 15:19 Rebs wrote:On October 13 2018 14:38 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 13:58 Tappo wrote:On October 13 2018 12:31 TheEmulator wrote:I wish logging M+ was actually a thing. I'm kind of stuck at this point right now where I can't really do anything higher than a 6-7 key on my rogue (and tbh even finding a 7 pug takes about 1-2 hours). In two weeks I've only gone up a couple of ilvls because of bad M+ caches, and getting either duplicate drops or no drops from heroic uldir (stuck at 357 currently). I'm not the best DPS by any means since I've been playing less than two months, but I'm generally the top dps by far in the keys that I'm doing. Just did a +6 ML with a 374 mage who was helping his friend pug his key, and I put up a more dps than him in the overall numbers. Anyway if M+ were logged more often I'm sure I could get into higher keys, but atm people just see that I'm 357 and haven't done higher than a 7. My only options are to keep doing 6-7 keys to grind my score a bit higher (which is painful considering it takes me so long to get into groups), or pray that the loot gods bring me up to 365+ next week You could also just log them yourself I mean of course, but that is not what I'm getting at here. Literally no one uploads or checks M+ logs (except high end M+ runners ofc), so even if I did upload my own it really doesn't matter. Anyone not running +15s and higher will probably just check raider.io and maybe your raid logs at most. I'd be uploading my logs for no one to see. No one is going to care what your logs are in a 6-7 or 8 M+ if you are thinking that people are going to take you to higher keys because of your dps at that level. People would prefer experience and want to know that you have done the content at that level dps is like just the bare minimum of understanding higher lvl M+ .. If you dont want this grind to be slow, make friends in the game from the pool of people you have experience with and work your way up with them. I didn't imply that dps is the only thing that matters anywhere in my post. I didn't even say that dps was what I wanted people to see in my logs. The only time I brought up dps was in an unrelated note about how poorly my pug teammates are performing. Right now people invite you to a pug based on your A) highest completed key and B) your raider.io score. If logs were more of a thing in M+ I'm just trying to say it would be a helpful way for people like myself who are performing above their level to get noticed. You are at the level you are at because you belong there. If you think otherwise see my edit above.
That's only true in one sense which is that I haven't grinded my raider.io enough. The fact that I'm completely outperforming people at my level (not only in dps but interrupts, mechanics, etc) is true. At the end of the day I perform well at games that I put time into and I excel quickly. I'm currently being time gated and it's annoying.
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On October 13 2018 15:45 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2018 15:41 Rebs wrote:On October 13 2018 15:38 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 15:19 Rebs wrote:On October 13 2018 14:38 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 13:58 Tappo wrote:On October 13 2018 12:31 TheEmulator wrote:I wish logging M+ was actually a thing. I'm kind of stuck at this point right now where I can't really do anything higher than a 6-7 key on my rogue (and tbh even finding a 7 pug takes about 1-2 hours). In two weeks I've only gone up a couple of ilvls because of bad M+ caches, and getting either duplicate drops or no drops from heroic uldir (stuck at 357 currently). I'm not the best DPS by any means since I've been playing less than two months, but I'm generally the top dps by far in the keys that I'm doing. Just did a +6 ML with a 374 mage who was helping his friend pug his key, and I put up a more dps than him in the overall numbers. Anyway if M+ were logged more often I'm sure I could get into higher keys, but atm people just see that I'm 357 and haven't done higher than a 7. My only options are to keep doing 6-7 keys to grind my score a bit higher (which is painful considering it takes me so long to get into groups), or pray that the loot gods bring me up to 365+ next week You could also just log them yourself I mean of course, but that is not what I'm getting at here. Literally no one uploads or checks M+ logs (except high end M+ runners ofc), so even if I did upload my own it really doesn't matter. Anyone not running +15s and higher will probably just check raider.io and maybe your raid logs at most. I'd be uploading my logs for no one to see. No one is going to care what your logs are in a 6-7 or 8 M+ if you are thinking that people are going to take you to higher keys because of your dps at that level. People would prefer experience and want to know that you have done the content at that level dps is like just the bare minimum of understanding higher lvl M+ .. If you dont want this grind to be slow, make friends in the game from the pool of people you have experience with and work your way up with them. I didn't imply that dps is the only thing that matters anywhere in my post. I didn't even say that dps was what I wanted people to see in my logs. The only time I brought up dps was in an unrelated note about how poorly my pug teammates are performing. Right now people invite you to a pug based on your A) highest completed key and B) your raider.io score. If logs were more of a thing in M+ I'm just trying to say it would be a helpful way for people like myself who are performing above their level to get noticed. You are at the level you are at because you belong there. If you think otherwise see my edit above. That's only true in one sense which is that I haven't grinded my raider.io enough. The fact that I'm completely outperforming people at my level (not only in dps but interrupts, mechanics, etc) is true. At the end of the day I perform well at games that I put time into and I excel quickly. I'm currently being time gated and it's annoying.
Raider IO is fact, what you made is a claim. You could be right, but why should random 10 key grp maker X care?
Its practically the same experience as climbing any MMR ladder.
Edit: Oh also I had to move my mage cuz I had like 2 mil sitting on Horde that was rotting away so you are community leader now.
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On October 13 2018 15:47 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2018 15:45 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 15:41 Rebs wrote:On October 13 2018 15:38 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 15:19 Rebs wrote:On October 13 2018 14:38 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 13:58 Tappo wrote:On October 13 2018 12:31 TheEmulator wrote:I wish logging M+ was actually a thing. I'm kind of stuck at this point right now where I can't really do anything higher than a 6-7 key on my rogue (and tbh even finding a 7 pug takes about 1-2 hours). In two weeks I've only gone up a couple of ilvls because of bad M+ caches, and getting either duplicate drops or no drops from heroic uldir (stuck at 357 currently). I'm not the best DPS by any means since I've been playing less than two months, but I'm generally the top dps by far in the keys that I'm doing. Just did a +6 ML with a 374 mage who was helping his friend pug his key, and I put up a more dps than him in the overall numbers. Anyway if M+ were logged more often I'm sure I could get into higher keys, but atm people just see that I'm 357 and haven't done higher than a 7. My only options are to keep doing 6-7 keys to grind my score a bit higher (which is painful considering it takes me so long to get into groups), or pray that the loot gods bring me up to 365+ next week You could also just log them yourself I mean of course, but that is not what I'm getting at here. Literally no one uploads or checks M+ logs (except high end M+ runners ofc), so even if I did upload my own it really doesn't matter. Anyone not running +15s and higher will probably just check raider.io and maybe your raid logs at most. I'd be uploading my logs for no one to see. No one is going to care what your logs are in a 6-7 or 8 M+ if you are thinking that people are going to take you to higher keys because of your dps at that level. People would prefer experience and want to know that you have done the content at that level dps is like just the bare minimum of understanding higher lvl M+ .. If you dont want this grind to be slow, make friends in the game from the pool of people you have experience with and work your way up with them. I didn't imply that dps is the only thing that matters anywhere in my post. I didn't even say that dps was what I wanted people to see in my logs. The only time I brought up dps was in an unrelated note about how poorly my pug teammates are performing. Right now people invite you to a pug based on your A) highest completed key and B) your raider.io score. If logs were more of a thing in M+ I'm just trying to say it would be a helpful way for people like myself who are performing above their level to get noticed. You are at the level you are at because you belong there. If you think otherwise see my edit above. That's only true in one sense which is that I haven't grinded my raider.io enough. The fact that I'm completely outperforming people at my level (not only in dps but interrupts, mechanics, etc) is true. At the end of the day I perform well at games that I put time into and I excel quickly. I'm currently being time gated and it's annoying. Raider IO is fact, what you made is a claim. You could be right, but why should random 10 key grp maker X care?
I've already stated pug makers should follow raider.io and not take the risk. This conversation was just me sharing my annoyance at not being able to currently get into higher keys. I feel like logs being more ingrained in the M+ culture (like they are in raiding) might help people like myself who are progressing faster than the content allows them (and yes some people do progress faster than others). It might also not help at all tbh, but I just felt like bringing it up.
At the end of the day you have to realize I'm just making a comment out of frustration. I've been able to quickly reach the top level in any game I've taken seriously, and I'm currently frustrated at how I've stalled in WoW due to its systems whether it's logical or not.
Its practically the same experience as climbing any MMR ladder.
True to a point, but I've never felt this stalled before in any game I've played. My journey to 6.5k+ in dota never felt this stalled. I maintained a certain winrate until I got to my goal (with some minor bumps in the road). Right now I'm just sitting around each week hoping to get excepted into 7+ keys and praying to the loot gods. It's not really comparable to other games.
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On October 13 2018 15:56 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2018 15:47 Rebs wrote:On October 13 2018 15:45 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 15:41 Rebs wrote:On October 13 2018 15:38 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 15:19 Rebs wrote:On October 13 2018 14:38 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 13:58 Tappo wrote:On October 13 2018 12:31 TheEmulator wrote:I wish logging M+ was actually a thing. I'm kind of stuck at this point right now where I can't really do anything higher than a 6-7 key on my rogue (and tbh even finding a 7 pug takes about 1-2 hours). In two weeks I've only gone up a couple of ilvls because of bad M+ caches, and getting either duplicate drops or no drops from heroic uldir (stuck at 357 currently). I'm not the best DPS by any means since I've been playing less than two months, but I'm generally the top dps by far in the keys that I'm doing. Just did a +6 ML with a 374 mage who was helping his friend pug his key, and I put up a more dps than him in the overall numbers. Anyway if M+ were logged more often I'm sure I could get into higher keys, but atm people just see that I'm 357 and haven't done higher than a 7. My only options are to keep doing 6-7 keys to grind my score a bit higher (which is painful considering it takes me so long to get into groups), or pray that the loot gods bring me up to 365+ next week You could also just log them yourself I mean of course, but that is not what I'm getting at here. Literally no one uploads or checks M+ logs (except high end M+ runners ofc), so even if I did upload my own it really doesn't matter. Anyone not running +15s and higher will probably just check raider.io and maybe your raid logs at most. I'd be uploading my logs for no one to see. No one is going to care what your logs are in a 6-7 or 8 M+ if you are thinking that people are going to take you to higher keys because of your dps at that level. People would prefer experience and want to know that you have done the content at that level dps is like just the bare minimum of understanding higher lvl M+ .. If you dont want this grind to be slow, make friends in the game from the pool of people you have experience with and work your way up with them. I didn't imply that dps is the only thing that matters anywhere in my post. I didn't even say that dps was what I wanted people to see in my logs. The only time I brought up dps was in an unrelated note about how poorly my pug teammates are performing. Right now people invite you to a pug based on your A) highest completed key and B) your raider.io score. If logs were more of a thing in M+ I'm just trying to say it would be a helpful way for people like myself who are performing above their level to get noticed. You are at the level you are at because you belong there. If you think otherwise see my edit above. That's only true in one sense which is that I haven't grinded my raider.io enough. The fact that I'm completely outperforming people at my level (not only in dps but interrupts, mechanics, etc) is true. At the end of the day I perform well at games that I put time into and I excel quickly. I'm currently being time gated and it's annoying. Raider IO is fact, what you made is a claim. You could be right, but why should random 10 key grp maker X care? Its practically the same experience as climbing any MMR ladder. I've already stated pug makers should follow raider.io and not take the risk. This conversation was just me sharing my annoyance at not being able to currently get into higher keys. I feel like logs being more ingrained in the M+ culture (like they are in raiding) might help people like myself who are progressing faster than the content allows them (and yes some people do progress faster than others). It might also not help at all tbh, but I just felt like bringing it up. You have to realize that I'm just making a random comment out of frustration. At the end of the day I've been able to quickly reach the top level in any game I've taken seriously, and I'm currently frustrated at how I've stalled in WoW whether it's logical or not.
So you were playing at like 6-7K MMR (or whatever counts a high mmr these days) within a month of playing dota or that equivalent after starting it and had basically no period where MMR stagnated a bit? And that it basically only took like a couple hours or whatever limited game time?
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On week 1 of m+ we were inviting tank or heal buddies and pushing keys to 10 completion ourselves, that should be a lot easier this late in the expansion
lvl 8-10+ (365 to lots of 370+) is where the m+ gear farming is, you will be stuck if you're farming 355's and 360's with the warforge chance as low as it is now
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On October 13 2018 16:02 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2018 15:56 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 15:47 Rebs wrote:On October 13 2018 15:45 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 15:41 Rebs wrote:On October 13 2018 15:38 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 15:19 Rebs wrote:On October 13 2018 14:38 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 13:58 Tappo wrote:On October 13 2018 12:31 TheEmulator wrote:I wish logging M+ was actually a thing. I'm kind of stuck at this point right now where I can't really do anything higher than a 6-7 key on my rogue (and tbh even finding a 7 pug takes about 1-2 hours). In two weeks I've only gone up a couple of ilvls because of bad M+ caches, and getting either duplicate drops or no drops from heroic uldir (stuck at 357 currently). I'm not the best DPS by any means since I've been playing less than two months, but I'm generally the top dps by far in the keys that I'm doing. Just did a +6 ML with a 374 mage who was helping his friend pug his key, and I put up a more dps than him in the overall numbers. Anyway if M+ were logged more often I'm sure I could get into higher keys, but atm people just see that I'm 357 and haven't done higher than a 7. My only options are to keep doing 6-7 keys to grind my score a bit higher (which is painful considering it takes me so long to get into groups), or pray that the loot gods bring me up to 365+ next week You could also just log them yourself I mean of course, but that is not what I'm getting at here. Literally no one uploads or checks M+ logs (except high end M+ runners ofc), so even if I did upload my own it really doesn't matter. Anyone not running +15s and higher will probably just check raider.io and maybe your raid logs at most. I'd be uploading my logs for no one to see. No one is going to care what your logs are in a 6-7 or 8 M+ if you are thinking that people are going to take you to higher keys because of your dps at that level. People would prefer experience and want to know that you have done the content at that level dps is like just the bare minimum of understanding higher lvl M+ .. If you dont want this grind to be slow, make friends in the game from the pool of people you have experience with and work your way up with them. I didn't imply that dps is the only thing that matters anywhere in my post. I didn't even say that dps was what I wanted people to see in my logs. The only time I brought up dps was in an unrelated note about how poorly my pug teammates are performing. Right now people invite you to a pug based on your A) highest completed key and B) your raider.io score. If logs were more of a thing in M+ I'm just trying to say it would be a helpful way for people like myself who are performing above their level to get noticed. You are at the level you are at because you belong there. If you think otherwise see my edit above. That's only true in one sense which is that I haven't grinded my raider.io enough. The fact that I'm completely outperforming people at my level (not only in dps but interrupts, mechanics, etc) is true. At the end of the day I perform well at games that I put time into and I excel quickly. I'm currently being time gated and it's annoying. Raider IO is fact, what you made is a claim. You could be right, but why should random 10 key grp maker X care? Its practically the same experience as climbing any MMR ladder. I've already stated pug makers should follow raider.io and not take the risk. This conversation was just me sharing my annoyance at not being able to currently get into higher keys. I feel like logs being more ingrained in the M+ culture (like they are in raiding) might help people like myself who are progressing faster than the content allows them (and yes some people do progress faster than others). It might also not help at all tbh, but I just felt like bringing it up. You have to realize that I'm just making a random comment out of frustration. At the end of the day I've been able to quickly reach the top level in any game I've taken seriously, and I'm currently frustrated at how I've stalled in WoW whether it's logical or not. So you were playing at like 6-7K MMR (or whatever counts a high mmr these days) within a month of playing dota or that equivalent after starting it and had basically no period where MMR stagnated a bit?
Ofc not, but Dota is also a different game. Also to be fair I started playing before MMR was introduced and they only had the normal/hard/veryhard distinction at that time
With that being said I'm not performing anywhere near the top 0.1% in WoW atm, and it will take me a while to get there I'm sure. I've never claimed to be great at WoW, but I may or may not be outperforming people at my level (I believe I am).
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On October 13 2018 16:08 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2018 16:02 Rebs wrote:On October 13 2018 15:56 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 15:47 Rebs wrote:On October 13 2018 15:45 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 15:41 Rebs wrote:On October 13 2018 15:38 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 15:19 Rebs wrote:On October 13 2018 14:38 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 13:58 Tappo wrote:
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You could also just log them yourself I mean of course, but that is not what I'm getting at here. Literally no one uploads or checks M+ logs (except high end M+ runners ofc), so even if I did upload my own it really doesn't matter. Anyone not running +15s and higher will probably just check raider.io and maybe your raid logs at most. I'd be uploading my logs for no one to see. No one is going to care what your logs are in a 6-7 or 8 M+ if you are thinking that people are going to take you to higher keys because of your dps at that level. People would prefer experience and want to know that you have done the content at that level dps is like just the bare minimum of understanding higher lvl M+ .. If you dont want this grind to be slow, make friends in the game from the pool of people you have experience with and work your way up with them. I didn't imply that dps is the only thing that matters anywhere in my post. I didn't even say that dps was what I wanted people to see in my logs. The only time I brought up dps was in an unrelated note about how poorly my pug teammates are performing. Right now people invite you to a pug based on your A) highest completed key and B) your raider.io score. If logs were more of a thing in M+ I'm just trying to say it would be a helpful way for people like myself who are performing above their level to get noticed. You are at the level you are at because you belong there. If you think otherwise see my edit above. That's only true in one sense which is that I haven't grinded my raider.io enough. The fact that I'm completely outperforming people at my level (not only in dps but interrupts, mechanics, etc) is true. At the end of the day I perform well at games that I put time into and I excel quickly. I'm currently being time gated and it's annoying. Raider IO is fact, what you made is a claim. You could be right, but why should random 10 key grp maker X care? Its practically the same experience as climbing any MMR ladder. I've already stated pug makers should follow raider.io and not take the risk. This conversation was just me sharing my annoyance at not being able to currently get into higher keys. I feel like logs being more ingrained in the M+ culture (like they are in raiding) might help people like myself who are progressing faster than the content allows them (and yes some people do progress faster than others). It might also not help at all tbh, but I just felt like bringing it up. You have to realize that I'm just making a random comment out of frustration. At the end of the day I've been able to quickly reach the top level in any game I've taken seriously, and I'm currently frustrated at how I've stalled in WoW whether it's logical or not. So you were playing at like 6-7K MMR (or whatever counts a high mmr these days) within a month of playing dota or that equivalent after starting it and had basically no period where MMR stagnated a bit? Ofc not, but Dota is also a different game. With that being said I'm not performing anywhere near the top 0.1% in WoW atm. I'm still far away from that and I've never claimed to be great at WoW. I may or may not be outperforming people at my level (I believe I am).
Its not lost on me that Dota is a different game. But its uprising you dont, see the rather obvious parallel here.
And yet the systems in terms of progressing operate practically the same way in essence as a ladder does. If anything RaiderIO is in essence an attempt to normalize competitive M+ and bring it closer to the way the ladders in this "different" game work. Except its not an algorithm but people making the final decisions..
If you were creating a team for a battlecup with complete stranger do think people decide based on MMR or do you go through matches and review demos ?
The reason raid logs are analyzed is because raiding guilds are making a significantly bigger commitment to you and they have to. Thats like joining a dota team.. rather than your weekend reddit battlecup pickup..
I only bring this up because you mentioned that WOW's systems are preventing you from progressing, and yet those systems are more subjective ( and less rigid version of ones that you seem to have had some success in.
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Rebs just like our last argument I really think the issue here is a difference in perspective. I'm incredibly tryhard when I get into a game. I try my hardest to improve as fast as possible. I'm currently frustrated that I'm stuck grinding content that doesn't help push me to a higher level. Just let me be frustrated man.
To kind of explain my frustration. It's like if I improved past 2k in dota but valve kept resetting me back to 2k each week. I'm not going to improve stomping people at 2k. To relate that to WoW, it's like how I'm not improving running 6 keys that are trivially easy to me.
I'm not saying the system is broken, I just don't like it.
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But its uprising you dont, see the rather obvious parallel here.
Again you're assuming that I don't understand something. I don't know how many times I have to say that I UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM I AM JUST SAYING IT IS ANNOYING (not yelling just using caps to get my point across).
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On October 13 2018 16:17 TheEmulator wrote:
Rebs just like our last argument I really think the issue here is a difference in perspective. I'm incredibly tryhard when I get into a game. I try my hardest to improve as fast as possible. I'm currently frustrated that I'm stuck grinding content that doesn't help push me to a higher level. Just let me be frustrated man.
To kind of explain my frustration. It's like if I improved past 2k in dota but valve kept resetting me back to 2k each week. I'm not going to improve stomping people at 2k. To relate that to WoW, it's like how I'm not improving running 6 keys that are trivially easy to me.
I dont see why you would have a hard time getting into 7-8s with 6's done. I am pretty sure if you had all 10 dungeons timed on a 6 you would walk into 7-9 keys these days. Especially in dugeons where your class is preferred. Granted you probably need to run some heroics and such because gear is also a thing.
I find it odd because I am NOT tryhard and I have none of these problems. Dont get me wrong I play a couple of hours most weekdays before I get tired (I avoid pugging raids too time consuming, just enough to get me rerrorg max) and a few hours on weekends so I get in a solid 18-20 or so hours in the week. But thats by no means alot
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On October 13 2018 16:19 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2018 16:17 TheEmulator wrote:
Rebs just like our last argument I really think the issue here is a difference in perspective. I'm incredibly tryhard when I get into a game. I try my hardest to improve as fast as possible. I'm currently frustrated that I'm stuck grinding content that doesn't help push me to a higher level. Just let me be frustrated man.
To kind of explain my frustration. It's like if I improved past 2k in dota but valve kept resetting me back to 2k each week. I'm not going to improve stomping people at 2k. To relate that to WoW, it's like how I'm not improving running 6 keys that are trivially easy to me. I dont see why you would have a hard time getting into 7-8s with 6's done. I am pretty sure if you had all 10 dungeons timed on a 6 you would walk into 7-9 keys these days. Especially in dugeons where your class is preferred. Granted you probably need to run some heroics and such because gear is also a thing. I find it odd because I am NOT tryhard and I have none of these problems. Dont get me wrong I play a couple of hours most weekdays before I get tired (I avoid pugging raids too time consuming, just enough to get me rerrorg max) and a few hours on weekends so I get in a solid 18-20 or so hours in the week. But thats by no means alot
Takes about an hour or more to get into a 7 at 357 ilvl and about a 500 IO score. TBH sometimes I can sit around for 2 hours and not get an invite. I can get into 5-6 keys quite fast, but it's not that beneficial to run them. Obviously I can improve to 700-800 if I run each dungeon at 6-7 or so, and I'm currently doing that. Again as I've said countless times it's just frustrating that I have to do that when I'm running content that isn't helping me improve. I want to push myself, and I'm annoyed that I cannot. Is that really hard to get...
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On October 13 2018 16:25 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2018 16:19 Rebs wrote:On October 13 2018 16:17 TheEmulator wrote:
Rebs just like our last argument I really think the issue here is a difference in perspective. I'm incredibly tryhard when I get into a game. I try my hardest to improve as fast as possible. I'm currently frustrated that I'm stuck grinding content that doesn't help push me to a higher level. Just let me be frustrated man.
To kind of explain my frustration. It's like if I improved past 2k in dota but valve kept resetting me back to 2k each week. I'm not going to improve stomping people at 2k. To relate that to WoW, it's like how I'm not improving running 6 keys that are trivially easy to me. I dont see why you would have a hard time getting into 7-8s with 6's done. I am pretty sure if you had all 10 dungeons timed on a 6 you would walk into 7-9 keys these days. Especially in dugeons where your class is preferred. Granted you probably need to run some heroics and such because gear is also a thing. I find it odd because I am NOT tryhard and I have none of these problems. Dont get me wrong I play a couple of hours most weekdays before I get tired (I avoid pugging raids too time consuming, just enough to get me rerrorg max) and a few hours on weekends so I get in a solid 18-20 or so hours in the week. But thats by no means alot Takes about an hour or more to get into a 7 at 357 ilvl and about a 500 IO score. TBH sometimes I can sit around for 2 hours and not get an invite. I can get into 5-6 keys quite fast, but it's not that beneficial to run them. Obviously I can improve to 700-800 if I run each dungeon at 6-7 or so, and I'm currently doing that. Again as I've said countless times it's just frustrating that I have to do that when I'm running content that isn't helping me improve. I want to push myself, and I'm annoyed that I cannot. Is that really hard to get...
You mean like how it's frustrating to keep biffing and playing with Achons till you get to legend?
357 ilvl is kinda low though.. People are pretty inflated on ilvl and IO with so many weeks of charity drops(and hence the ability to outgrear content) so that is a grievance i can get behind.
And i made this comment when Nony had mentioned that we should be happy people are getting gear and painted something similar to your scenario as a likely result...
It comes back to this though if you want to want to tryhard, make friends to tryhard with. The systems to succeed faster are there. You are just not using them.
Its hard to get because your idea of pushing your self is having the opportunity to do so handed to you. Again i will keep circling back to an archon rank player complaining he has to grind his way up to play better players. And the WOW version is wayyyy more forgivibg
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On October 13 2018 16:31 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2018 16:25 TheEmulator wrote:On October 13 2018 16:19 Rebs wrote:On October 13 2018 16:17 TheEmulator wrote:
Rebs just like our last argument I really think the issue here is a difference in perspective. I'm incredibly tryhard when I get into a game. I try my hardest to improve as fast as possible. I'm currently frustrated that I'm stuck grinding content that doesn't help push me to a higher level. Just let me be frustrated man.
To kind of explain my frustration. It's like if I improved past 2k in dota but valve kept resetting me back to 2k each week. I'm not going to improve stomping people at 2k. To relate that to WoW, it's like how I'm not improving running 6 keys that are trivially easy to me. I dont see why you would have a hard time getting into 7-8s with 6's done. I am pretty sure if you had all 10 dungeons timed on a 6 you would walk into 7-9 keys these days. Especially in dugeons where your class is preferred. Granted you probably need to run some heroics and such because gear is also a thing. I find it odd because I am NOT tryhard and I have none of these problems. Dont get me wrong I play a couple of hours most weekdays before I get tired (I avoid pugging raids too time consuming, just enough to get me rerrorg max) and a few hours on weekends so I get in a solid 18-20 or so hours in the week. But thats by no means alot Takes about an hour or more to get into a 7 at 357 ilvl and about a 500 IO score. TBH sometimes I can sit around for 2 hours and not get an invite. I can get into 5-6 keys quite fast, but it's not that beneficial to run them. Obviously I can improve to 700-800 if I run each dungeon at 6-7 or so, and I'm currently doing that. Again as I've said countless times it's just frustrating that I have to do that when I'm running content that isn't helping me improve. I want to push myself, and I'm annoyed that I cannot. Is that really hard to get... You mean like how it's frustrating to keep biffing and playing with Achons till you get to legend? 357 ilvl is kinda low though.. People are pretty inflated on ilvl and IO with so many weeks of charity drops(and hence the ability to outgrear content) so that is a grievance i can get behind. And i made this comment when Nony had mentioned that we should be happy people are getting gear and painted something similar to your scenario as a likely result... It comes back to this though if you want to want to tryhard, make friends to tryhard with. The systems to succeed faster are there. You are just not using them.
I'm in the unfortunate position that I started the patch late. That's on me 100%. I'm definitely going to make friends to play with at some point, I just haven't done so yet. Would like to get into mythic raiding sometime in 2019 (ideally the next raid tier but I'm sure it's hard to break into). Then I can just key with my guildmates.
edit: should note I do have quite a few friends who play, but just not the type who want to grind M+. And some of them are mythic raiders that just quickly run a 10 each week with their guild and I'm not the type of person to ask for a tag along
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Its hard to get because your idea of pushing your self is having the opportunity to do so handed to you. Again i will keep circling back to an archon rank player complaining he has to grind his way up to play better players. And the WOW version is wayyyy more forgivibg
We must understand what pushing yourself means in far different ways then? Being subjected to a mindless grind below your skill level is not pushing yourself, although I do get that it is necessary with the raider.io system in place. Whether a better system could be implemented is something I can't answer. Also I’m not quite sure why you think I’m asking for a handout. In this current system I don’t currently deserve an invite to a +10 until my score is higher. Which is why I think discussing alternatives could be useful. Was my log idea the best? Probably not, but it was just a random thought.
Anyway I’m not complaining that I have to grind to reach better players, I’m complaining that the game is not letting me progress/grind at the right pace. Since I got unlucky I’m stuck doing 6-7s for a week or two longer than I should be. In dota if you’re a 6k player playing 4k games you will quickly hit 4500 in a few days, then 5k in a few more after that. You progress as fast as you can win games. Right now in WoW it feels like the game isn’t letting me past 4k despite winning if that makes sense.
Honestly if I had 1-2 more heroic drops I’d probably be 360 and we wouldn’t be having this discussion lol.
Again just to finally reiterate, this discussion was never about me feeling like I deserve to suddenly get invites to +10 keys for no reason whatsoever. It was simply just me venting frustrations about what I feel is a system that may or may not be limiting me.
Edit: mindless grind was unfair of me to say since I do believe I’m learning a lot running low keys. There’s always something to learn, but to truly improve you need to up the difficulty.
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