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On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote:
I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother.

Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion.

Form
Spreadsheet

If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
September 12 2018 05:14 GMT
#9021
From the "do 4 mythics" quest I got a 370 Azerite head that barely beats out my 340 because its traits are ass.
Never Knows Best.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 12 2018 05:14 GMT
#9022
On September 12 2018 07:30 NonY wrote:
Seeking out particular gear in WoW is really frustrating. Once you get decent ilvl gear in every slot, the chance of getting something you really want is so low. I don't know why the devs are all-in on this kind of system. Yeah sometimes it creates a special moment when you get something really good. But most of the time it's disappointing and frustrating. I think the game would be better off with a loot system where you steadily earn upgrades and the power of gear is strictly tied to the difficulty of the content. That way the reward is no surprise but it is very satisfying when you get it and the whole pursuit of it feels purposeful. If they still want to have some of that "really low chance of getting something awesome" then they can put that in the game but only in a very minor way. It can't be something people rely upon but rather people need to truly see it as a bonus that they never expect or hope for or feel like they need.

And that's putting aside the whole idea of giving us loot that is sub-optimal for us. If they want secondaries to be a thing then just let us pick the secondaries. I don't get what's satisfying or fun about the secondaries system right now.

I can say the same. I keep getting 355 gear for the two slots I luckily got 360/370, and for the 4 slots that are already 355. So the remaining slots are 340 and stay 340, and I keep on scrapping these items with higher ilevel than my average. It's very annoying.

I'm just wading into M+ this week, trying for M6 and higher. Last week I found pugs for 4's and 5's. It's really hard with inexperienced tanks, or group cohesion, or dps, or heals.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-12 10:55:49
September 12 2018 10:49 GMT
#9023
On September 12 2018 13:31 Tappo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2018 12:24 Kipsate wrote:
Azerite is going to be a bitch, I am extremely fortunate that some of the Uldir pieces have good traits for BM Hunters but it just feels "wrong" to going in Mythic with several 340 pieces, I can't upgrade them reliably through Mythic+ or the cache so im stuck with PvP and having luck in HC/Normal. For classes who's uldir traits are shit its even worse, some of them might be running around with 370-385 gear but 340 azerite pieces, its also dumb as hell that they wanted to make a system where higher ilevel means better gear and secondary stats shouldn't matter that much.

Guess fucking what, for some people 340 azerite gear is better then 370, dumb as hell.

Do you really believe that you should have your BiS items first week?


That's not what they said

You should have a clear and non-lottery road to obtaining them from the first week, even if it takes 10 weeks. It's the "some people get it today, others farm it for 3 months and never see it" which is the problem.

On September 12 2018 13:59 Alventenie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2018 07:44 Cyro wrote:
I'm surprised at Skittish still being an affix considering that it was pretty much baked into BFA tank threat. What's the tuning like NA-side?

If it had Legion tuning then tanks would generate like half as much ST threat as DPS (they'd have pretty much no tank threat bonus and of course a fraction of the ST that a DPS can do) and it would be ridiculously hard to kill tyrannical bosses, i imagine that that's not the case



Basically not an issue in nearly all dungeons if you bring rogue/hunter. I tanked a 10, a 9, and been dpsing a lot of 6-8s on my 3 chars. Had zero threat issues in all (my dps is a rogue so I bring tricks).

If I get lucky with some crits I can pull aggro on my rogue on stuff, but in general once they have aggro after ~10-12 seconds, you'll never pull unless they die, or never use their taunt for getting the modifying threat. In the ones I tanked, I generally taunted the boss twice and never thought about threat at all.


Must have been nerfed then!
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
hobbyistGamedev
Profile Joined August 2018
33 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-12 12:43:39
September 12 2018 12:43 GMT
#9024
On September 12 2018 19:49 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2018 13:31 Tappo wrote:
On September 12 2018 12:24 Kipsate wrote:
Azerite is going to be a bitch, I am extremely fortunate that some of the Uldir pieces have good traits for BM Hunters but it just feels "wrong" to going in Mythic with several 340 pieces, I can't upgrade them reliably through Mythic+ or the cache so im stuck with PvP and having luck in HC/Normal. For classes who's uldir traits are shit its even worse, some of them might be running around with 370-385 gear but 340 azerite pieces, its also dumb as hell that they wanted to make a system where higher ilevel means better gear and secondary stats shouldn't matter that much.

Guess fucking what, for some people 340 azerite gear is better then 370, dumb as hell.

Do you really believe that you should have your BiS items first week?


That's not what they said


Do we have to?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
September 12 2018 14:22 GMT
#9025
With the Method streams we have a good chance to see cutting edge mythic in all of its bugginess

they fixed fetid before it was live in EU, guess that was a gatekeeper boss to stop NA from getting ahead on their free day :D



^Mother beams bug, instant invisible beams killing part of the raid
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-12 15:14:30
September 12 2018 15:11 GMT
#9026
On September 12 2018 19:49 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2018 13:31 Tappo wrote:
On September 12 2018 12:24 Kipsate wrote:
Azerite is going to be a bitch, I am extremely fortunate that some of the Uldir pieces have good traits for BM Hunters but it just feels "wrong" to going in Mythic with several 340 pieces, I can't upgrade them reliably through Mythic+ or the cache so im stuck with PvP and having luck in HC/Normal. For classes who's uldir traits are shit its even worse, some of them might be running around with 370-385 gear but 340 azerite pieces, its also dumb as hell that they wanted to make a system where higher ilevel means better gear and secondary stats shouldn't matter that much.

Guess fucking what, for some people 340 azerite gear is better then 370, dumb as hell.

Do you really believe that you should have your BiS items first week?


That's not what they said

You should have a clear and non-lottery road to obtaining them from the first week, even if it takes 10 weeks. It's the "some people get it today, others farm it for 3 months and never see it" which is the problem.

Show nested quote +
On September 12 2018 13:59 Alventenie wrote:
On September 12 2018 07:44 Cyro wrote:
I'm surprised at Skittish still being an affix considering that it was pretty much baked into BFA tank threat. What's the tuning like NA-side?

If it had Legion tuning then tanks would generate like half as much ST threat as DPS (they'd have pretty much no tank threat bonus and of course a fraction of the ST that a DPS can do) and it would be ridiculously hard to kill tyrannical bosses, i imagine that that's not the case



Basically not an issue in nearly all dungeons if you bring rogue/hunter. I tanked a 10, a 9, and been dpsing a lot of 6-8s on my 3 chars. Had zero threat issues in all (my dps is a rogue so I bring tricks).

If I get lucky with some crits I can pull aggro on my rogue on stuff, but in general once they have aggro after ~10-12 seconds, you'll never pull unless they die, or never use their taunt for getting the modifying threat. In the ones I tanked, I generally taunted the boss twice and never thought about threat at all.


Must have been nerfed then!


Not an issue at all I ran a quick 7 and 8 yesterday and I didnt pull aggro at all. Although I got a rude awakening from the Arc Dash on the first poss in Seth on Tyranically (100k !"@#@). So the grp I was in wiped on that once but then I just karm'ed it and it was really really easy after that.


I still feel like locking Azerite pieces out of Mythic + is ridiculous. I dont have time to jump around looking for good pug raids and I dont want to raid on a schedule my chest gave me an Azerite piece 40 ilvls higher that sims lower than my 340 piece with best trait. Thats actually ridiculous..
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-12 20:10:52
September 12 2018 17:39 GMT
#9027
I pull aggro without skittish but if people are not having problems then it's obviously not a 4x threat nerf any more

said it a lot of times, i'm waiting for the polish patch - it took 22 weeks for Legion so it'll probably be a while yet.

---

Reorigination array (bonus for picking Uldir trait) is upgradeable to rank 2 now with the reset and requires killing 4 uldir bosses total to get there (1 for first rank, 3 more for second) - kills without the uldir traits equipped do count. It gives 150 of your highest secondary stat now

I can also confirm that you can stack it by killing bosses that you're already saved to, as i got my 3 kills from doing Taloc, Mother and then Mother again all on heroic
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15732 Posts
September 12 2018 20:24 GMT
#9028
Anyone have tips for tanking as a DH? I kinda suck ass. Are there addons I should be using?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-12 21:08:23
September 12 2018 20:55 GMT
#9029
WA's to monitor the amount of souls that you have and the cd on the 3 sigils + infernal strike, health and pain bars in the middle of screen so that you can view them as you're staring at your character model

Move before fracturing, not between fracturing and spirit bombing; same with immo if you've got the souls from it thing. Picking up souls at the wrong time is far less clunky than before but it's still one of the bigger problems for newb vdh's

A macro to cast infernal strike at player is 100% mandatory as this lets you cast it without picking up souls. It somehow escaped the gcdpocalypse so you can just mash the button during doing other stuff and be ok
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
September 12 2018 21:49 GMT
#9030
On September 13 2018 02:39 Cyro wrote:
I pull aggro without skittish but if people are not having problems then it's obviously not a 4x threat nerf any more

said it a lot of times, i'm waiting for the polish patch - it took 22 weeks for Legion so it'll probably be a while yet.

---

Reorigination array (bonus for picking Uldir trait) is upgradeable to rank 2 now with the reset and requires killing 4 uldir bosses total to get there (1 for first rank, 3 more for second) - kills without the uldir traits equipped do count. It gives 150 of your highest secondary stat now

I can also confirm that you can stack it by killing bosses that you're already saved to, as i got my 3 kills from doing Taloc, Mother and then Mother again all on heroic


Well keep in mind all my groups have hunter/rogues in it with skittish. Skittish still is an issue with bad tanks, but this week is really punishing on bad tanks in general since you aren't probably going to push past 7s as a bad tank due to tyrannical.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
September 12 2018 22:37 GMT
#9031
Yeah to be fair ive been running with Pala and rogue aswell now that I think about it. But I dont see why any good tank should have serious problems if they know what they are doing and not just mashing buttons.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-13 00:29:31
September 12 2018 22:37 GMT
#9032
Tanked my first dungeon with it, i was losing aggro to warrior doing 70k burst aoe but he didn't die and we ended up at 8+2 despite like 130% of trash because of facepulls. On boss i was climbing to like 300% of the threat of the DPS with casual spirit bomb + taunt + tg combo's. Will be easier than last week due to gear

--

I'm fairly happy with the state of havoc atm, easy to top meters but at the same time there's only one of them in the cutting edge progression teams as they're opting to stack affli, bm etc instead. Was expecting nerf on the tuning pass but that didn't happen, they'll likely tune down an azerite trait and a talent soonish. Can get several styles of quite fun (although not as good as 7.1.5 / 7.3.5 design) talents without throwing your damage in the trash.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-13 03:09:36
September 13 2018 02:11 GMT
#9033
Gear in my bag is giving me extra stack of reorigination ray haha

Also just did normal g'huun again. Heroic g'huun isn't actually that hard for a good group, but gees normal is so much easier than heroic. Don't have to spread for wave, can repeat same orb assignments, and then not having to spread for wave while dealing with mushrooms in phase 3. I got to run orb for the first time and that was fun. Mistweaver can solo it if there's a warlock gate up and WW can just straight up solo it. Feel like such a hero
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-13 04:34:08
September 13 2018 03:42 GMT
#9034
On September 13 2018 11:11 NonY wrote:
Gear in my bag is giving me extra stack of reorigination ray haha

Also just did normal g'huun again. Heroic g'huun isn't actually that hard for a good group, but gees normal is so much easier than heroic. Don't have to spread for wave, can repeat same orb assignments, and then not having to spread for wave while dealing with mushrooms in phase 3. I got to run orb for the first time and that was fun. Mistweaver can solo it if there's a warlock gate up and WW can just straight up solo it. Feel like such a hero


I joined a grp just for that, figured id not totally waste the day before I went to bed just to see the orb running.


How are you soloing it as WW without a portal? I had help but each time I tried to adjust my movement and manage stacks to somehow get to the end without getting rooted with just chi x 2 and flying serpent i was always just a bit short. (like just 3-4 runs)

Cant really use transcendance unless you leave it there in advance (which I did for the second pass through so thats an easy solo). I have the void elf racial, but I didnt really want to cause a wipe in case it didnt work. With the racial it would be a cake walk

Does the root debuff maybe scale with grp size?
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
September 13 2018 04:33 GMT
#9035
On September 13 2018 12:42 Rebs wrote:
Cant really use transcendance unless you leave it there in advance (which I did for the second pass through so thats an easy solo)

Yeah that's what I mean. Just tell the group you can't do the first one and use the start of the fight to set up your transcendence. And then assuming you're gonna do it again in phase 2, don't forget to drop transcendence again after you use it on your first run.

That's also how MW can do it with lock gate (gate, 2x torpedo, transcendence)
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28095 Posts
September 13 2018 06:49 GMT
#9036
Thank you blizzard for my heroic uldir gear even though I haven't ran heroic uldir yet

Emissary cache OP.
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hobbyistGamedev
Profile Joined August 2018
33 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-13 08:46:56
September 13 2018 08:45 GMT
#9037
I haven't bought BfA yet, is there a new version of the Garrison / Legion Hall this time around? Including a corresponding app?

Nevermind, just checked the app store...
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4186 Posts
September 13 2018 08:48 GMT
#9038
On September 13 2018 17:45 hobbyistGamedev wrote:
I haven't bought BfA yet, is there a new version of the Garrison / Legion Hall this time around? Including a corresponding app?

Nevermind, just checked the app store...

There is a table. It doesnt really do much besides give you rep tokens and lets you research flight points and upgrades for those flight points.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15732 Posts
September 13 2018 16:41 GMT
#9039
I haven't seen this level of backlash since WoD. Pretty insane how badly Blizz messed this all up.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
September 13 2018 17:13 GMT
#9040
For the most part it's what i expected, it managed to be more polished than i thought but that's still not saying much. I'm amazed that somebody looked at this and decided to not only not delay it by 3 months but bring the release date forward. It's not good for gameplay, it probably doesn't even help long term profits with all of the fallout
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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