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BfA Community Links: GP : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/KKMpKPSlgd?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/v9x5bAF3jD?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/ALwgJnC5Wo?region=EU&faction=Alliance TLNAH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/vPrmjJxiVnJ?region=US&faction=Horde TLNAA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/YeZj7P0SXLn?region=US&faction=Alliance Bnet: Bnet - https://blizzard.com/invite/amvLM0EubJv On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote: I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother. Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion. Form Spreadsheet If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15732 Posts
And yet, my azerite level is WAY too low to use the abilities on any of this azerite gear. I can only unlock the first row...wtf is this. It's like the whole thing never even got tested. The whole thing feels so unplanned and shitty. It kills the immersion for the mechanics of progression to be obviously broken and clunky. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
On September 11 2018 22:30 Cyro wrote: Lol, gz I've still got a day but pretty much decided not to go for it because some friends were reporting that the planned nerfs were not live yet. How long did it take? I think I spent a total of about 6 hours on g'huun. I didn't actually even clear heroic 8/8. The pugs I was joining for other bosses were so awful. I hopped in a g'huun group and it's a more difficult fight but the group was more competent. Hopefully I can find some groups that'll be smooth sailing this week though. I'm a little annoyed that some people got carried though. This healer came in saying he knows mechanics and then he blows his cooldowns when they're not necessary at all (and then doesn't have them up when they're needed) and he whispers me to ask how the mushrooms work in phase 3 and why he's getting feared. Then he vouches for his priest friend ("she knows the mechanics and is a good healer!") who comes in and doesn't stack for blood feast (the thing that clears stacks and spawns an add). His numbers were low (but not awful), he or the priest would die and our brez would get used on them, etc. A different healer was consistently doing 1/2 - 2/3 the HPS I was doing, and because of our healing comp and strat, I was typically going into the hard part of the fight as the lowest HPS healer (except for him) and then end the fight as the highest HPS. So it's not like I was padding -- I would stay at 100% mana and heal efficiently but other healers topped people off faster than me. He was just shit HPS all the way through. He was lower HPS on the tanks and lower raid HPS too obviously. We had some trash DPS too that got carried. Oh well that's just the way it goes. We had very consistent orb runners and solid tanks and a good raid leader making calls and adjustment to strats. Had a few good DPS and one other healer besides me was decent (though we had some legit good ones come and go before we got the kill). | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
With azerite gear not dropping from m+ and most of the traits being too bad to overcome the better traits even at a 15-30ilvl advantage i strongly dislike that drop system due to way too much RNG. A given piece will always have the same azerite trait but it hardly matters when you can't choose to get that piece, it's practically no different from giving "Azerite chest 385" and having it roll random traits in each slot. Currently in terms of power on gear it's pretty much azerites > mainhand weapon > trinkets > other stuff, at least for Havoc. The azerite traits on my gear contribute more DPS than the Agility does, so having 15-32% more Agility can't make up for bad or sometimes even mediocre traits. | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
On September 12 2018 01:45 Cyro wrote: People are getting their m+ caches and it looks like the droprates have been changed from beta, back to 1 item and not a particularly high chance of azerite gear With azerite gear not dropping from m+ and most of the traits being too bad to overcome the better traits even at a 15-30ilvl advantage i strongly dislike that drop system due to way too much RNG. A given piece will always have the same azerite trait but it hardly matters when you can't choose to get that piece, it's practically no different from giving "Azerite chest 385" and having it roll random traits in each slot. Currently in terms of power on gear it's pretty much azerites > mainhand weapon > trinkets > other stuff, at least for Havoc. The azerite traits on my gear contribute more DPS than the Agility does, so having 15-32% more Agility can't make up for bad or sometimes even mediocre traits. I know WW has a trait that is much stronger than the 2nd best but I'm not sure how much ilvl it's worth. Also its value is strictly for ST so people will want to have a different set anyway. For MW I think the traits make a pretty big difference but you also have different ones that are good for tank healing, raid healing, and dungeon healing. So there are a lot of pieces that are useful for something. But when it comes to healing, defensive traits actually can make a big difference too, just like Prydaz was a pretty good legendary for some healing specs. Some 2nd ring and 3rd ring traits can each make up 1-2% of your HPS, while some other 2nd and 3rd ring traits are useless. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On September 12 2018 02:01 NonY wrote: I know WW has a trait that is much stronger than the 2nd best but I'm not sure how much ilvl it's worth. Also its value is strictly for ST so people will want to have a different set anyway. For MW I think the traits make a pretty big difference but you also have different ones that are good for tank healing, raid healing, and dungeon healing. So there are a lot of pieces that are useful for something. But when it comes to healing, defensive traits actually can make a big difference too, just like Prydaz was a pretty good legendary for some healing specs. Some 2nd ring and 3rd ring traits can each make up 1-2% of your HPS, while some other 2nd and 3rd ring traits are useless. Yeah I have a different set for single target and different ones for AOE . BUT the AOE traits actually dont really benefit enough situations to NOT just use Sunrise with 2 stacks of roundhouse when available. So theres not alot of combat situations you dont want to stack roundhouse stacks and not use sunrise kick even on an aoe pack when FOF + WP are on cd (unless its like 5-6+ mobs and 5 stacks then you spin ) Stacking swift roundhouse comes out to about 20+ ilvls actually. Its rather absurd for ST. It adds the damage of Blackout kick to Sunrise kick no modifier or anything, just a straight damage add so if you have 3 traits that 3 blackout kicks worth of damage added and then the sunrise kick modifiers apply . Its better to play it with serenity for pure ST but again thats too inflexible for dungeons. So really for ST you are only really casting FOF to use WP, otherwise the damage per chi is better with using blackout over FOF unless FOF is used as a chi dump. Thing is the playstyle is a big wonky because you have resist the urge to play properly and use FOF on CD. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Going to a badly rolled azerite piece could be 500dps combined traits instead of 900 which is around break even at +45ilvl. It's the once a week lottery approach that is the problem, if the pieces are random then you should be able to farm em out in a somewhat reasonable amount of time. Using a 355 with good trait for 6 months because the 385's all rolled non azerite gear and bad trait azerites while the OP traits are not available in the raid (or, for that matter, if you want to prioritize m+ over raiding mythic on a schedule) is silly. Getting an additional azerite piece in your chest every week would have mitigated the problem but they've gone back on that. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On September 12 2018 02:07 Cyro wrote: It's the once a week lottery approach that is the problem, if the pieces are random then you should be able to farm em out in a somewhat reasonable amount of time. Using a 355 with good trait for 6 months because the 385's all rolled non azerite gear and bad trait azerites and the good traits don't drop in the raid is silly Agreed its not great. Outlaw rogues are in a similar boat. Dono about other classes, And instead of fixing the way the traits work they just went and nerfbatted 5%, that still leaves some rogues OP and the rest who dont get those pieces hung out to dry. I dont see how locking them out of Mythic + makes sense. Do the work profit.. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
As for the cache I only did up to 6 last week so I only got 1 item and it was a tiny upgrade for my boots so not exciting. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
On September 12 2018 03:32 Redox wrote: Zul was also easy for us, we just cheesed him. Idk how common this strat is, but it was just nuking boss and ignoring everything else basically. Best not to overcomplicate it  Couple raidleads had me walking across the platform to kill the second caster 50yrds away from boss, huge waste of time with BFA mobility ![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/nl1ukis2xnl11.png) | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
And that's putting aside the whole idea of giving us loot that is sub-optimal for us. If they want secondaries to be a thing then just let us pick the secondaries. I don't get what's satisfying or fun about the secondaries system right now. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
If it had Legion tuning then tanks would generate like half as much ST threat as DPS (they'd have pretty much no tank threat bonus and of course a fraction of the ST that a DPS can do) and it would be ridiculously hard to kill tyrannical bosses, i imagine that that's not the case | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Guess fucking what, for some people 340 azerite gear is better then 370, dumb as hell. | ||
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Tappo
101 Posts
On September 12 2018 12:24 Kipsate wrote: Azerite is going to be a bitch, I am extremely fortunate that some of the Uldir pieces have good traits for BM Hunters but it just feels "wrong" to going in Mythic with several 340 pieces, I can't upgrade them reliably through Mythic+ or the cache so im stuck with PvP and having luck in HC/Normal. For classes who's uldir traits are shit its even worse, some of them might be running around with 370-385 gear but 340 azerite pieces, its also dumb as hell that they wanted to make a system where higher ilevel means better gear and secondary stats shouldn't matter that much. Guess fucking what, for some people 340 azerite gear is better then 370, dumb as hell. Do you really believe that you should have your BiS items first week? | ||
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Atreides
United States2393 Posts
My alt priest who was up to 330 ilvl got a 370 weapon out of pvp chest. lol Two of my friends got 375 upgrade sigils out of their pvp chests and immediately popped them on their weapons. I got a trinket. which id bitch about the stupid pvp trinket but HAHA its better than a max ilvl version of any of the raid trinkets, im still jealous of the 375 weapons.... Feels to me like gearing is super rng right now. I havent decided personally how I really feel about it, I don't think its as bad as the legion legendary situation simply because it feels like not many people are that left out. I mean it sucks to be using 340 azerites over higher ilvl ones but its not grossly impacting power, and it is kind of "farmable" to get your best traits. Conquest cap this week rewards a 355 chest. | ||
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
On September 12 2018 07:44 Cyro wrote: I'm surprised at Skittish still being an affix considering that it was pretty much baked into BFA tank threat. What's the tuning like NA-side? If it had Legion tuning then tanks would generate like half as much ST threat as DPS (they'd have pretty much no tank threat bonus and of course a fraction of the ST that a DPS can do) and it would be ridiculously hard to kill tyrannical bosses, i imagine that that's not the case Basically not an issue in nearly all dungeons if you bring rogue/hunter. I tanked a 10, a 9, and been dpsing a lot of 6-8s on my 3 chars. Had zero threat issues in all (my dps is a rogue so I bring tricks). If I get lucky with some crits I can pull aggro on my rogue on stuff, but in general once they have aggro after ~10-12 seconds, you'll never pull unless they die, or never use their taunt for getting the modifying threat. In the ones I tanked, I generally taunted the boss twice and never thought about threat at all. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On September 12 2018 13:31 Tappo wrote: Do you really believe that you should have your BiS items first week? No, but I do expect reasonable avenues to get gear, this is unreasonable. For some classes the only way they can upgrade their 340 pieces is to do Mythic+ and then they have a single chance a week to get a single item out of a pool of +50 to upgrade their specific gear. The odds are extremely low there, for some the Uldir traits are terrible. | ||
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