EPTPeople are always gonna complain without knowing how much work it is they're asking to be done because outsiders can't know how much work needs to be done (even outsiders who work similar jobs). Some complainers are more respectful of the work required for a solution than others but I'm weary of the tangential arguments speculating about how much work it takes.
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BfA Community Links: GP : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/KKMpKPSlgd?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/v9x5bAF3jD?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/ALwgJnC5Wo?region=EU&faction=Alliance TLNAH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/vPrmjJxiVnJ?region=US&faction=Horde TLNAA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/YeZj7P0SXLn?region=US&faction=Alliance Bnet: Bnet - https://blizzard.com/invite/amvLM0EubJv On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote: I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother. Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion. Form Spreadsheet If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
People are always gonna complain without knowing how much work it is they're asking to be done because outsiders can't know how much work needs to be done (even outsiders who work similar jobs). Some complainers are more respectful of the work required for a solution than others but I'm weary of the tangential arguments speculating about how much work it takes. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On September 15 2018 01:41 NonY wrote: I know that a lot of people make ignorant statements when it comes to computer science but we also know that Blizzard (and any other company really) can have poor awareness or have incorrect priorities. I don't like that any time any complaint is made that involves a programmer's work as part of the solution, excuses are made. We don't know what the holdup is but I wish coders would do a little less white knighting for each other. At this point it makes me cringe almost as much as the "this can be fixed with one line of code!" statement that baits it out. People are always gonna complain without knowing how much work it is they're asking to be done because outsiders can't know how much work needs to be done (even outsiders who work similar jobs). Some complainers are more respectful of the work required for a solution than others but I'm weary of the tangential arguments speculating about how much work it takes. As someone who is a conduit for feedback (bitching) on various automated trade compliance solutions+ Show Spoiler + much simpler then anyvideo game coding its to a point where I practically close of any direct communication to the developers I work with. Its just not helpful. You have to take it because obviously people are frustrated, and tbh Im thickskinned but you see all of these people working so hard and then just get shat on does piss me off aswell (very briefly, for like a moment, thats all I'm allowed) Sure Blizzard probably has higher standards and SLA's to hit and should be expected to. But rarely anything is true that something is an "easy" fix. There are always way to many moving parts on projects of the magnituted like WOW expac to make any fix "Easy". That having been said a couple of the oversights this time were a bit much even for me. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
All i know is that i'm paying for the full expansion and paying for a subscription and the experience i'm treated with at times feels like it's still in beta | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
I'd prefer pay whatever it takes to get a good experience and then not have money be a factor aside from the sticker price personally. --- Getting a better view of the shift in faction balance between Legion and BFA now - 85% of the top 100 being horde currently. With that and the state of war mode i may have to switch over, it'll get worse before it gets better. It would take fairly major design changes to cause a mass shift from horde to alliance side for the raiding, m+ and general warmode population | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22675 Posts
It would probably be a lot of work in the back end to merge the 2 factions together tho. Setting quest/npc/zone/spell ect tags that are currently separated into Horde/Alliance. But yes, at this point it might be good for the game to merge the 2 together. Even tho the difference between races/factions is minor the pool of raiders on Horde is just so much bigger which created a snowball effect where more Alliance go Horde to have access to a bigger pool, which makes the remaining alliance get into trouble so they move to Horde ect ect. And I'm not excusing Blizzard's lack of QA this expansion. There has been a bunch of stuff that should never have happened. | ||
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hobbyistGamedev
33 Posts
No idea how much more difficult it would be today, though. I don't know, nothing of what you guys are writing here makes me want to buy BFA and resub... | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On September 15 2018 04:26 Warri wrote: They will most likely just finally make away with the faction restriction. I bet the only thing that stopped it from happening already is coding. And i dont know how hard it is to fix shit, but some bugs are in the game for years while others, especially fun ones, get fixed as soon as they get popular. I think they make quite a bit of money with faction changes and character boosts that people need to play with their opposite faction friends. Just as they earn money with server changing brought about by the mythic raid server restrictions. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On September 15 2018 02:25 Unleashing wrote: I have no idea if stuff is easy or hard to fix All i know is that i'm paying for the full expansion and paying for a subscription and the experience i'm treated with at times feels like it's still in beta On September 15 2018 03:34 Cyro wrote: We don't pay monopoly rates to get beta experience and trash tier customer service. It's £300 an expansion, that's a large commitment and every player deserves a good experience for that. I'd prefer pay whatever it takes to get a good experience and then not have money be a factor aside from the sticker price personally. --- Getting a better view of the shift in faction balance between Legion and BFA now - 85% of the top 100 being horde currently. With that and the state of war mode i may have to switch over, it'll get worse before it gets better. It would take fairly major design changes to cause a mass shift from horde to alliance side for the raiding, m+ and general warmode population And in neither instance is anyone forcing you to continue paying. At some point if a product or service isnt worth your money, you will stop paying for it. Thats how practically how everything in the world works. You arent and they are getting your money. Your complaints are valid, they have been made countlessly, eloquently and they are for sure away, and for sure they should do better. But they havent, so where do we go from here ? Yeah .. exactly. Regarding the faction imbalance, yes this is my first tier playing Alliance and if I wasnt tethered by friends, I would not sign up for something like this, its pretty lame. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
At some point if a product or service isnt worth your money despite its issues, you will stop paying for it. Most people will (see WOD) The majority of players actually like the game and want it to succeed though so they won't unsub unless things clearly aren't working out in the long term and feedback isn't heard. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On September 15 2018 05:19 Cyro wrote: Most people will (see WOD) The majority of players actually like the game and want it to succeed though so they won't unsub unless things clearly aren't working out in the long term and feedback isn't heard. Dono about anything about Mid Cata to start of Legion. Dont really care ... Im sure WOD was awful and they deserved the depleted userbase. If they lose subs again because of a poorly made game, it would again be deserved. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
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hobbyistGamedev
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If you just want his replies. | ||
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Grettin
42417 Posts
On September 15 2018 06:18 hobbyistGamedev wrote: https://www.reddit.com/user/WatcherDev If you just want his replies. Easier to read. https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/7985-Reddit-AMA-with-Ion-Hazzikostas-Reddit-AMA-with-Ion-Hazzikostas | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
 I'm glad to see lots of talk out there even if there's not much in the way of near-term solutions to problems -- I figured out part of the reason why i was so uninformed as to the motivations for going to Uldir etc. It's not explained alliance side during quest content; there's a bit of dialogue in Underrot but not much solid info and then you just show up at Uldir and Bran knows everything somehow, kinda expecting that you do as well. Turns out that a lot of it is answered during the raid but half of the dialogue on the alliance side is broken and doesn't play which means that these questions don't recieve any answer, Bran just does a lot of talking to a wall. There's (supposed to be..) a "why are we here and what's going on" Q&A session after MOTHER! | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
But the Azerite system really annoys me and makes things less fun. Right now I am wearing a 340 chest over a 370 one. On top of that it is super hard to know if an item is actually an upgrade or not, especially as a healer. You can simulate some stuff, but that does not really account for the respective encounter or your job in it. One can always say "dont worry about it too much", but I think especially that makes it boring. You get an item and the response is often just a shrug "oh well whatever, probably not even an upgrade, no idea actually". And then you just keep collecting crap in your bags. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 15 2018 10:43 Cyro wrote: Probably would have been a good idea yeah I'm glad to see lots of talk out there even if there's not much in the way of near-term solutions to problems -- I figured out part of the reason why i was so uninformed as to the motivations for going to Uldir etc. It's not explained alliance side during quest content; there's a bit of dialogue in Underrot but not much solid info and then you just show up at Uldir and Bran knows everything somehow, kinda expecting that you do as well. Turns out that a lot of it is answered during the raid but half of the dialogue on the alliance side is broken and doesn't play which means that these questions don't recieve any answer, Bran just does a lot of talking to a wall. There's (supposed to be..) a "why are we here and what's going on" Q&A session after MOTHER! In general it feels like a lot of quest lines got left on the cutting room floor. As Horde you walk into Shrine of the Storms and Rexxar's rambling on about a Tide Pearl or something, and in Tol Dagor Nathanos talks about rescuing "our asset". Both feel like the culmination of quest chains that just didn't happen. It doesn't surprise me that the Alliance have the same problem. I just hope there's some leadup to the next raids. | ||
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Netherlands22675 Posts
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