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BfA Community Links: GP : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/KKMpKPSlgd?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/v9x5bAF3jD?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/ALwgJnC5Wo?region=EU&faction=Alliance TLNAH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/vPrmjJxiVnJ?region=US&faction=Horde TLNAA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/YeZj7P0SXLn?region=US&faction=Alliance Bnet: Bnet - https://blizzard.com/invite/amvLM0EubJv On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote: I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother. Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion. Form Spreadsheet If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated. | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
was previously running Feed the Demon for the 4 set + leech legendary combo, but now I can't get over how broken Spirit Bomb is with constant soul fragments from Fracture skorpyron cheese mmm... @Cyro: 915 EOC + 900 crit stat stick or 915 EOC + 895 COF? also seems like I'll be sticking with Anger + DoG until I get the cloak, if ever | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On June 19 2017 15:30 Cyro wrote: Got second 7.2.5 legendary after 7 caches, 17 raid bosses (all LFR) and 1 mythic dungeon lol Are 7.2.5 legendarys even good for any class? | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
Seems like Soul of the battle lord would be pretty good for Fury warriors i think. other one im not sure, seems good in theory but in practice im not certain | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22487 Posts
Brewmaster Shoulders are a good dps legendary, no survival benefit tho. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
@Cyro: 915 EOC + 900 crit stat stick or 915 EOC + 895 COF? EOC+statstick are excellent, COF is usually awful but fits decently into some fight niches like lining up meta without shoulders for after the bat phases on tichondrius Yeah, should be quite a few. Havoc cloak is topping simDPS but might apply damage a bit too randomly in practice. Soul of the Slayer looks good on paper but it has few enough stats on it to be pretty terrible, maybe a niche item - Sephuz has 60k DPS worth of extra Crit and Haste on it, that usually makes it win by a large margin without even proccing. There's also the proc and +10% runspeed 24/7 on top of that so sephuz is top tier and the new ring is somewhere around the middle-bottom of the list. Both of the Boomkin legendaries are good to amazing, they have one that lets them take soul of the forest + incarn at the same time and the other which changes the moon spell cycle in a major way. Most people don't understand it yet because the explanation of the effect doesn't properly cover what it actually does and it's brand new, rarely tested so not showing up on Warcraftlogs and not implemented in Simcraft yet - many have written it off without even equipping it for lack of good information  This is how i think it goes after some discussion: without moon legendary: new moon wait 15s half moon wait 15s full moon wait 15s new moon with moon legendary: new moon wait 15s half moon wait 15s full moon, full moon, new moon wait 15s half moon wait 15s full moon, full moon, new moon wait 15s half moon wait 15s full moon, full moon, new moon etc so you're basically firing off twice as many moon spells (which do damage & generate AP) while 50% of them are Full Moons instead of 33%. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
T19-4p + T20-2p looks like a great option for Havoc atm. Just by toggling the set bonuses in Simcraft it's ~30k DPS ahead of t20-4p and ~10k DPS ahead of t20-4p + t19-2p. You can overcome that with slightly better legendaries (on t20-4p with the other two slots for tier-slot-legendaries), better choice of stats and higher item levels but it's not particularly easy to do so, it will take a little while and then the t20 sets will only be better for certain talents. | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://puu.sh/wpLO8/32baf88902.jpg) see you guys in tomb I'm going to miss my DoG+CoF combo too | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22487 Posts
Man that would have sucked if we missed out on it because we were getting consistently into the last phase. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
I'm not gonna use my Chaos Theory for a while because it fits a bit better w/ tier 20 and i'l probably use t19-4p for a while yet. It's also pretty random for progress, good chance that it just doesn't activate for a whole important phase while some other legendaries provide a constant or reliable powerful effect. 970 is great, though, so gz to all that get a 970 version of good legendaries on the morning of raid day :D | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
 ---- Also with the way that legendary upgrade things work (any past 50 are wasted) we're going to see a lot of weird behavior like holding the mythic+ chest for half of the week and a wave of people hearthstoning out of the raid to hand in their upgrade token every boss as everyone has different and random amounts of the quest item. Saw this today as some people completed the quest after 1 boss, some people after 2, some people after 3 etc ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7quHAM5.png) 3 months of this to get legendaries upgraded | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
Kinda astonishing how noone I asked ingame knew. edit: Nvm just realized it is still the old 890. Lame. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
On June 22 2017 16:11 Redox wrote: So what is the loot item lvl in M+ now? I mean at +15 or wherever the highest is. Kinda astonishing how noone I asked ingame knew. edit: Nvm just realized it is still the old 890. Lame. M+ ilevel doesn't change until Mythic opens. Max level gear is going to heroic tier ilevel and max level weekly cache to mythic tier ilvl, same as before (915 and 930) | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
Took us a while to figure out how to deal with Hydra Shot and how to get the Whale to go away on Sassz'ine, and the 30min we had for Desolate Host didn't allow us the kill because damn that boss is complicated on paper, but everything else went pretty well. Sadly 3rd priority for Protector Tokens so I'll have to wait a bit for my 4part+2part combo. Which mean getting used to be bottom of the meter by far currently. I'm hoping for more tuning before Mythic because Windwalker are VERY bad currently. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Havoc probably going up w/ the changes too (people are using 1trick single target burst talents for every single boss because nothing else is really viable & it's not going well for them numerically) but windwalker seems even worse off. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
Monk part of it, we worked quite a bit making this, I hope we get some answers. https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/6j2wwk/wow_class_design_ama_june_2017/djb2i21/ Welp, they basically fucked us over. They were so condencending I can't fucking believe it. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
On June 24 2017 05:51 Noocta wrote: Class Dev AMA is on the way Monk part of it, we worked quite a bit making this, I hope we get some answers. https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/6j2wwk/wow_class_design_ama_june_2017/djb2i21/ Welp, they basically fucked us over. They were so condencending I can't fucking believe it. Yeah, i don't like a lot of the discussion on both the player and dev sides. Wrong questions and meh answers, IMO, but it's a step up to have some discussion rather than talks of substantial reworks followed by no developer response for the whole patch cycle. There are a bunch of whole comment threads with people mass upvoting/downvoting about celestion's wacom tablet for cursor control too. As someone who has actually used one a lot, i'm certain that it would work pretty well @ cutting edge level if the camera turning is fixed to be alright. The main issue there is that absolute positioning with this polling rate resets the cursor position to wherever the pen is ~135x per second, that leads to doing a 360 degree turn every 0.1 second unless you have fixed it somehow like using insanely low "mouse sensitivity" for the camera turning. I didn't put time in to get that work but i might give it a shot now. There are solid strengths and some weaknesses over mouse as an input device but it's nothing compared to the differences in the way that people play their class and think about the fight - an excellent player will easily be way more useful than a below average player with a mouse. Most players in general are also awful at using mice, too, they have bad mouse settings with unpracticed aim and poor posture to go with it and this is rarely criticized or even thought about. There's no reason to get caught up on that when there are actual design/balance decisions which are much more objectively wrong, so many people choosing to hate the person for the sake of hating the person rather than doing anything useful. 95% of them have probably never used this kind of input device. -------- There was an interesting quote about tier sets: "In general, we want players to move onto the next raid tiers. However, there are some caveats. If you're comparing your Mythic titanforged Nighthold gear compared to Heroic Tomb gear, there's certainly a chance that based on ilvl alone, your Nighthold gear might be better. We currently don't tune the bonuses on Tier 20 to be better than Tier 19 or vice versa, and expect the ilvl increase to carry much of the throughput increase in cases where they are similar. In the cases where T19 was out of band, we did a tuning pass in 7.2.5 to reduce the throughput of those overperforming T19 set bonuses to make room for T20 to be good. That all said, if the power level of T19 2pc+4pc is significantly higher than the power level of T20 2pc+4pc, we would want to adjust one or the other to address it." Easy to sim T19-2P is still not working properly so it's not helping as much as it would This is all at the same ilvl, some standard legendaries and just hard enabling or disabling of the set bonuses with no gear changing at all ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/nLFQzD5.png) With a particular combo - T19-4p + T20-2p - the T20-2p does nothing at all. It buffs an ability that is only used when there are 5 targets around but in any situation where there are 5 targets it's instead superior to break the tier set to use a legendary that harnesses that target count to improve ST and sustained AOE damage. The other 6-way tier will likely be broken too for those situations, leaving it straight 4p vs 4p | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Quite awkward for fast 180 turns, i'm not sure how much improvement could be seen from adjustment and practice :D | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On June 24 2017 18:57 Cyro wrote: You think? I had an easier time in NH so far. On a second thought, I guess TOS is not easier. Difficult to compare in hindsight anyway. KJ is surely pretty tough. And with how quickly you can wipe in p1 progressing the later phases is pretty annoying. But it is the type of boss I like, no super weird mechanics but basic movement and coordination stuff. | ||
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