The old boys club / My new direction. - Page 2

Salazarz

Korea (South)2591 Posts

March 03 2015 15:58 GMT

#21

No one gave a fuck about me waking up at 3:00 in the morning 4 times a week, for four weeks in a row

On top of that, I went to college. I have education.

This blog is satire or something, right? I mean, if that's your definition of 'long and dedicated hard work' and 'great credentials', it's not exactly surprising to see why you aren't exactly a fountain of success, in SC2 or elsewhere.. you sound like a real cool person to work with, too lol

BreAKerTV

Taiwan1658 Posts

March 03 2015 16:04 GMT

#22

On March 04 2015 00:58 Salazarz wrote:

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Well，if you want, I can post my SC2 casting resume in spoilers:

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Wargaming League APAC Asia Season 1 - English (World of Tanks; TeSL, Taipei, Taiwan)

WCS 4000 Taiwan Open 2014 (English, and Chinese Interpretor)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/462997-taiwan-open-casters-hosts-and-players

Live Event Experience
WCS 4000 Taiwan Open 2014

World eSports Championships 2014 in Hangzhou, China
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/466325-wec-2014
MSI Beat it 2014 in Taipei, Taiwan
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/469878-msi-beat-it-players-casters-hosts-schedule

Other Relevant Information:
Member of the Taiwanese Pro team yoe Flash Wolves, by the title of Caster, Host, Translator, and International Liaison. Date: 11/03/2013 – 11/20/2014
Employee of CM Storm - January 2013 – September 2014
Employed by ESL-Asia (Turtle Entertainment) November to December of 2013.
Credentials and Academic Achievements:
Food Handler’s permit valid for the state of Oklahoma – Earned May 02 2013
HSK Level IV 汉语水平考试四级 –Chinese proficiency Test level 4
Competency and fluency achieved in Mandarin Chinese to a degree that one may study any major in a Chinese university.
Bachelor Of Arts Degree Awarded by the University of Oklahoma – Awarded December 2013

Fan Pages & Social Media:
www.Facebook.com/breakersc2
www.twitter.com/breakersc2
www.weibo.com/breakersc2
Stream links:
www.twitch.tv/breakersc2

OtherWorld

France17333 Posts

March 03 2015 16:09 GMT

#23

On March 04 2015 00:42 BreAKerTV wrote:
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On March 03 2015 23:41 OtherWorld wrote:
So short story is that you're salty that established SC2 orgs and casters didn't immediatly pick you up as one of them. Well, guess what, you've got to work, and work well, and be professional (which includes not making salty blogs) in order to succeed. I really don't get your Old Boys Club thingy, because if you think that someone like Apollo didn't create fucktons of content and didn't work a lot on his casting before becoming pretty much one of the most seen and heard caster in the scene right now, you're being delusional.

Actually, no. I just wanted every single event I could get in China and Taiwan. I hopped on with SC2 casting at its height in 2012. I was too late to go mainstream, and in many ways I was blinded by money and games and tournaments.

Saying that they are less qualified than you is pretty insulting as well. A guy like Apollo has 147 videos on his YT account, averaging 20:00 in lenght for each and made to help people at SC2, and countless hours spent casting or preparing his casts. A guy like TaKe or Pomf&Thud created whole companies, and are living off of them, from literally nothing but love for the game.

I addressed in my previous blog that I am not the product that people want. Dont misinterpret what I am saying either. If you want to compare how many SC2 VODs I have on my channel, well you can see that here: http://www.youtube.com/exebreaker

Some of my VODs are god awful, some of them are pretty decent.

This is already getting a bit out of hand because I am projecting one message, and others are reading it as another one.

BasetradeTV is a regular content provider, providing tournaments and casting. Same for TB, who also supports the scene by being a team owner and manager. Day9 made ~1 hours of DAILY content for several YEARS. Guys like Moonglade or ToD got casting gigs because they were pro players. Wolf was said to be a terrible caster last year, ate several humiliations, but is still going strong and has improved, because he put WORK into it and provided content instead of complaining. Where is your content?

I LOVE TOTAL BISCUIT, don't misinterpret what I am saying, again, please. I basically said that I can't watch EU or KR stuff without getting angry at some of the guys who burned me.

No, no one gave a fuck about you waking up at 3:00 in the morning 4 times a week, for four weeks in a row, 2 years ago to provide an English stream without qualifying for twitch partnership. Because people won't judge you on the efforts you make, but on the results you produce. If you failed, it's either because you targeted the wrong audience (honestly I'm not sure there are many EU/NA viewers interested in the Taiwanese scene) or because your work was subpar in either quality or quantity. The fact that you went to college and have an education is pretty much irrelevant, this is eSports casting we're talking about.

Additionally saying that you worked harder than the established casters but got "shot down" is not a productive nor professional mindset but, forgive me this expression, a Naniwesque mindset.

edit : and I mean the last part of your blog reads like "Look, now I am happy and successful, and I can say that SC2 sucks. How bad does that make you feel?". What's the point of this?

edit² : sorry if my post sounds harsh, but what you're basically saying is that guys like Tastosis, Apollo, etc etc are less qualified than you and are just lucky chaps, which I find is a pretty bold claim to make.

I think this video post will speak above all else to you:

I followed every piece of advice I was given by this guy for over a year. It got me almost nowhere.

What's the message you're projecting then? I am genuinely curious about that.
As for the Artosis thing, well yeah, you probably think that you followed this advice. I won't lie, I don't know much about you apart from your posts and blogs I see here on TL, but as I said above, if you failed, it's that your work is deficient either in quality or quantity.
edit :
and yeah I agree with boxerfred. Tbh it seems like you're a bit obsessed with success. Looking at that achievements list you linked, I see that you caster and took part in a lot of events. Why aren't you happy with that? Sure, Taiwan is not the new Korea, and thus you won't become the new Artosis, but you being a regular caster for things like TeSL or the WCS Taiwan/Hong Kong qualifiers looks like something that is not worthy of complaining about tbh)

boxerfred

Germany8360 Posts

March 03 2015 16:27 GMT

#24

While one can learn techniques to improve casting, I think first and foremost one has to be likeable and mediagenic. Imho, you are not. Please do not take this as a plain insult because it isn't, it is just my opinion on you. I also think Pughy isn't telegenic, but he has a certain charme that appears to me as very likeable. Posting your achievements doesn't make it any better - it's great for you to be absolutely fluent in chinese, but that probably won't help you for a fanbase. I think you should cut a clear difference:

1. behind the scenes. It is obvious that you are very involved in the taiwanese scene, having networked a lot, made tons of friends. Use that to do a job you love to do, but don't force yourself to have a measurable success.

2. on the stage (i.e. casting). Joining that imaginary club is possible. Winter actually casted Dreamhack and came to Krefeld to cast HSC. Wait, what? That guy who parts of the community dislike because they think he's viewbotting? Yeah, that guy. Don't tryhard. Have fun in what you do, that's the most important thing if you're not doing it for money.

To be honest, I think one can practice and improve as much as he ever wants or can - but if he's not made for casting because his voice sucks or his looks are bad, they will never ever be successful. You normally do not find ugly people in television or movies. Guess why. I don't want to imply that you're ugly or that your voice sucks, but I want to imply that you are appearing as good a caster as Apollo, Day9 or Artosis.

Zealously

East Gorteau22261 Posts

March 03 2015 16:42 GMT

#25

There is no surefire way to success in any area. Everyone can appreciate the sheer volume of work you have put into casting, but neither "Old Boys Club" nor any other excuse will shove away the fact that some people, no matter how hard they work, will not or can not become successful in an area. I won't comment on whether it is because of lack of ability or other factors such as the ones you outline in your blog, but you need to understand this basic fact.

boxerfred

Germany8360 Posts

March 03 2015 17:00 GMT

#26

On March 04 2015 01:42 Zealously wrote:
There is no surefire way to success in any area. Everyone can appreciate the sheer volume of work you have put into casting, but neither "Old Boys Club" nor any other excuse will shove away the fact that some people, no matter how hard they work, will not or can not become successful in an area. I won't comment on whether it is because of lack of ability or other factors such as the ones you outline in your blog, but you need to understand this basic fact.

You're so fluent in english, that's exactly what I actually wanted to express without being hostile or anything.

Grovbolle

Denmark3813 Posts

March 03 2015 17:05 GMT

#27

Hard work isn't always enough - people need to understand this and learn to deal with it.

CosmicSpiral

United States15275 Posts

March 03 2015 17:11 GMT

#28

Regardless of how credible your arguments may be, you are ruining any hopes of gaining sympathy simply by posting here. A diatribe which amounts to no more than petty, passive-aggressive potshots and self-aggrandizement sends all the wrong messages to everyone that matters.

I don't appreciate the accomplishments and hard work of others to at least not badmouth them.
I feel entitled to respect and benefits that I have not earned.
My lack of success is the fault of others; I don't take responsibility for my own failures.
Instead of solving my problems by taking positive steps within the industry, I complain to others who have no power to change my status.
I don't have the perseverance or long-term planning to get through inevitable rough patches; I give up as soon as adversity occurs.

Networking is an essential part of any business, and you don't need to be an established talking head to build it. You do have to own up to your own failings and stop blaming the world.

On March 04 2015 02:05 Grovbolle wrote:
Hard work isn't always enough - people need to understand this and learn to deal with it.

Yes. Successful people don't just work hard, they work intelligently.

BreAKerTV

Taiwan1658 Posts

March 03 2015 17:13 GMT

#29

On March 04 2015 02:05 Grovbolle wrote:

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Hard work isn't always enough - people need to understand this and learn to deal with it.

Zealously is correct. But I am being far too vague to actually assess what has happened to me over the years, the times when I was -figuratively speaking- fucked, and when I should have been selected or got totally dicked on this or that event.

I dont want anyone to look at me and think I am being salty. The truth is, I have twitch partnership now and I think I am on the road to becoming a better streamer, which is about having fun, not really so much being successful.

If there is a day when I retire, or feel that I have the right to do so, I will disclose the times when I was fucked.

As for everything SC2 and China / Taiwan related... Like I said, if anyone ever wants me to do it, I will do it. This isn't calling it quits with SC2 either. Who knows? Maybe one day my personality will change and when people consult me to do casting again, people will grow to like it (my personality, that is)?

EDIT: I donno if this will be my final post to this thread or not.

I told myself a long time ago, "If I go two years and make absolutely zero progress with casting, I'll just quit." Why two years? Axeltoss told me he was doing free coaching and stuff like that before he got hired on with MLG as a caster. Long term, I always wanted to come back here to Taiwan to work in eSports. There have been ups and downs and the first three months here in Taiwan were an emotional roller-coaster, to the extent that I had considered leaving Taiwan and going to Hong Kong for work. In the end, I chose to stay here because I signed a 2 year lease on an apartment and I have a 28 month phone contract.

OtherWorld

France17333 Posts

March 03 2015 17:23 GMT

#30

On March 04 2015 02:05 Grovbolle wrote:

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Hard work isn't always enough - people need to understand this and learn to deal with it.

Hard work is enough if you include "mindset" and "efficiency" in "hard work". Working 16h/day won't lead you to success 100%, but working 16h/day intelligently and with the right way of thinking will.

Grovbolle

Denmark3813 Posts

March 03 2015 17:29 GMT

#31

On March 04 2015 02:23 OtherWorld wrote:

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That depends on your criteria for succes.

JieXian

Malaysia4677 Posts

March 03 2015 17:30 GMT

#32

you remind me of a delusional person I know in real life and a more famous delusional person I don't know in real life

Amy thinks that there was some internet conspiracy against her and you think there's some old boy's club.

Kazahk

United States385 Posts

March 03 2015 18:28 GMT

#33

Holy shit the bitch in the youtube vid is crazy!

imJealous

United States1382 Posts

March 03 2015 19:11 GMT

#34

On March 03 2015 22:37 boxerfred wrote:
People actually do a good job in what they do and thus, they get hired again.

I don't feel like you do. I feel more like you're doing your work for the taiwanese scene and feel salty because you think noone cares. You took one of the few free spots that there is (before you, I don't remember a particular caster/streamer really caring for the Taiwanese scene) and established yourself in that spot. Now you do not get as much recognition as others (best proof for that? Your blog is not featured on TL.) and brag about it in quite an unfair way! You're saying that all the guys who actually started low and worked hard to get in the place where they are now are actively blocking new talent from getting up to their place. That is disgusting imho.

This pretty much sums up my perception of BreakerTV and his rants.

Ctone23

United States1839 Posts

March 03 2015 19:19 GMT

#35

Did you live in Taiwan when you got your degree at Oklahoma? I went there as well. Boomer Sooner! Didn't realize you could get your Bach of Arts studying abroad. I thought they only offered Associate degree programs via online.

I've found the old boys club exists in all aspects of life. I can appreciate your frustration. I personally learned to accept it and have moved on. I've since taken a new job that pays better, if that's any indication that things can get better. (I don't work in Esports)

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than to be good. And the lucky ones will tell you it was because of hard work.

GL

PhoenixVoid

Canada32746 Posts

March 03 2015 19:33 GMT

#36

I can appreciate your breadth and effort of work but the way life works isn't always fair. There are plenty of people who put thousands of hours of effort into their chosen hobby or career yet will never achieve the highest echelons of success and fame, either circumstance or their plan not working out. Maybe there is an "old boys club" but those are the guys who started from somewhere as well and a combination of effort, talent or the right place at the right time were involved, but quite honestly, you complaining about how you aren't in this level comes out as self-advertising and a bit selfish.

Rocket-Bear

3070 Posts

March 03 2015 21:32 GMT

#37

The old boys club is probably real. Just like in any profession ever, connection and networking is a huge part of being successful / getting employment. And because this community is kind of small, the ones at the top get to know each other well hence they have a bigger chance getting new casting gigs.

I really like the Taiwan scene and followed ECL and TeSL. I greatly appreciate the work you've done.

But sometimes things just aren't meant to be even if you work hard. If it was then there would be so many Korean sc2 pros who has made it even bigger etc. It requires talent within the field as well.

You can still make it big within eSports without being on camera if you want to. There are a ton of influencal people who is rarely seen like Nazgul. Maybe you should take a different direction in sc2?

Nontheless, good luck with your new streaming, happy it is working out for you. GL Breaker.

Kevin_Sorbo

Canada3217 Posts

March 04 2015 03:57 GMT

#38

every salty blog post you make is another nail in your virtual coffin.

I have watched your stream in the past only to find your attitude condescending and your game knowledge pretty limited.

Speaking chinese or having some random college degree doesnt set you apart. Be proud of what you do/accomplish instead of being jelly of what the others do; that is what sets you apart. Set some realistic goals for yourself. Try to be a positive influence to the people around you.

dont beat yourself over it. learn from it. If you never accept you did mistakes you are never going to fix them, like avilo during the blink all-in era. Lots of people have really constructive advice for you in this thread but you keep dismissing it. Those guys are the ones who arent watching your stream because of the things they mentioned in their posts.

my 2 cents
good luck.

btw you still have the ingredients to be successful in sc2 if you want to. you have Internet and #passion.

Parametric

Canada1261 Posts

March 04 2015 05:49 GMT

#39

What's your degree in?

Yorkie

United States12612 Posts

March 04 2015 06:50 GMT

#40

Tbh I watched your casts because I really like a lot of the Taiwanese/Chinese players. At the end of the day your commentary wasn't for me and if you're saying you followed all of Artosis's advice then I'm sorry but that's simply not true. I do however appreciate your effort to bring English content from that scene to us when nobody else would. GL in your future endeavors!

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