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JimmiC
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NonY
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On July 31 2015 07:32 GreenHorizons wrote: I think it's stupid, I'm just saying asserting your rights against someone more powerful than you usually ends up bad for you. I've been hearing it my whole life, that's why it's so amusing to see people who are generally silent when it happens in far more important aspects of life in a tizzy over this. Not that I'm referring to you specifically. But this is like the most pathetic case to make the "I don't believe that someone who is innocent should sit back and take a punishment" case for. I've read some people saying that this is an excellent case for the NFLPA to use to take a stand against the NFL's "judicial system" and authority over the players. It's not so much about Brady and his suspension and how significant any alleged air pressure cheating is. It's about this case possibly being a good opportunity for the NFLPA to challenge the NFL's way of doing things. At the very least I think the NFL should have to use independent investigators and arbitrators for cases involving discipline this severe. And maybe think about having a different standard of evidence than "more likely than not." Right now there are so many gray areas in the NFL. There's so much rule breaking that doesn't get enforced. The NFL can investigate and enforce things however they want. I don't think they do it unfairly, like playing favorites, although that could be happening. What I think is definitely happening is that when the media is running a particular story (blowing inflategate out of proportion) then the NFL decides to take action for PR reasons. The media (and the fans, and the fucking non-fans who stick their noses in) should not be influencing the NFL's disciplinary behavior. The NFLPA wants the NFL to stand WITH players who are under the scrutiny of the media and to tell them to stfu when they're being idiots. The NFL shouldn't be caving to pressure put on by the masses and the media. There should be some independent organization that can prevent the NFL from using discipline on players and teams as a method for improving their public image. Anyway, the only real way changes like that are gonna come about is from law suits in real courts. Those suits will come about from any random case like this, but their real purpose (for most people) would be to permanently change the authority of the NFL over its players. | ||
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giftdgecko
United States2126 Posts
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On July 31 2015 23:50 andrewlt wrote: Losing the draft picks will hurt more than losing Brady. They started 2-2 last year because the OL sucked and still won the Superbowl. They could start 2-2 this year without Brady as long as the rest of the team performs. Absolutely, but it seems that the deal was accepting the greater punishment and having the lesser one dropped. The NFL went back on their word, it would appear. On August 01 2015 02:36 NonY wrote: I've read some people saying that this is an excellent case for the NFLPA to use to take a stand against the NFL's "judicial system" and authority over the players. It's not so much about Brady and his suspension and how significant any alleged air pressure cheating is. It's about this case possibly being a good opportunity for the NFLPA to challenge the NFL's way of doing things. At the very least I think the NFL should have to use independent investigators and arbitrators for cases involving discipline this severe. And maybe think about having a different standard of evidence than "more likely than not." Right now there are so many gray areas in the NFL. There's so much rule breaking that doesn't get enforced. The NFL can investigate and enforce things however they want. I don't think they do it unfairly, like playing favorites, although that could be happening. What I think is definitely happening is that when the media is running a particular story (blowing inflategate out of proportion) then the NFL decides to take action for PR reasons. The media (and the fans, and the fucking non-fans who stick their noses in) should not be influencing the NFL's disciplinary behavior. The NFLPA wants the NFL to stand WITH players who are under the scrutiny of the media and to tell them to stfu when they're being idiots. The NFL shouldn't be caving to pressure put on by the masses and the media. There should be some independent organization that can prevent the NFL from using discipline on players and teams as a method for improving their public image. Anyway, the only real way changes like that are gonna come about is from law suits in real courts. Those suits will come about from any random case like this, but their real purpose (for most people) would be to permanently change the authority of the NFL over its players. I agree 100%. As much as I hate Brady and the Pats and hope that he remains suspended for his "who me?" attitude after being accused when it is pretty clear SOMEONE did something and knew about it, there's a couple of really nasty precedents that will be set that go far beyond the pressure of footballs: 1. The NFL can suspend a player for not cooperating with an investigation, even though the investigation is not a legal one. 2. The NFL is permitted to hire an "impartial investigator" who appears anything but impartial and permit that party to conduct the investigation. 3. The NFL is permitted to suspend a player for a perceived offense when the alleged documentation methods include Walt Anderson not actually recording the pressure or doing so on a piece of tape. Despite all the reports that Walt Anderson meticulously measures the balls personally, we don't have any documentation of the pressures before the game. Basically, the NFL can suspend a guy because they think he did something, despite little to no evidence. Number 3 is the really dangerous one. While it appears to any reasonable observer that the Pats clearly did SOMETHING (phone destruction, firing/suspension of the two stooges from the Pats, general past shadiness looking to get an edge), that probably shouldn't be worth suspending anyone over. They didn't interfere with a legal investigation, they cooperated within their limit of privacy, and there is no evidence they did do anything. The NFLPA seems to have a really good claim here, but then again, I'm no lawyer. In other news, has anyone seen this Sheldon Richardson stuff? Popped for 4 games for violating the substance abuse policy a few weeks ago, he was pulled over/arrested for the following: 1. Driving 143 mph after being involved in a street race and being tagged by 3 different cops going from 120 to 143 mph. 2. Having a loaded semiautomatic in the car. 3. Running from the police. 4. Violating various traffic laws. 5. Having his car strongly smell of weed. 6. Doing all this with a 12 year old in the vehicle. He won't be in the league for long. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32132 Posts
I also agree with you about Brady (minus that he should be suspended) part. Even though I am pretty damn sure he knows. ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLQ-2HgWwAA8aiU.jpg) So JJP sure looks like he lost a thumb unless they've taped it bending down for some reason | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On August 02 2015 01:08 QuanticHawk wrote: Yeah Richardson is a fucking piece of shit. If anything deserves a massive suspension, it's doing that shit with a kid in the car. I also agree with you about Brady (minus that he should be suspended) part. Even though I am pretty damn sure he knows. So JJP sure looks like he lost a thumb unless they've taped it bending down for some reason You do or don't think he should be suspended? I'm still up in the air. As for JPP, I'm taking the stance that I normally take when someone takes a picture of a guy in training camp looking 60 pounds overweight (Eddy Lacy, anyone?): it's a picture. Let's see the thing removed and in motion before we start jumping to conclusions. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On August 02 2015 02:05 AgentW wrote: You do or don't think he should be suspended? I'm still up in the air. As for JPP, I'm taking the stance that I normally take when someone takes a picture of a guy in training camp looking 60 pounds overweight (Eddy Lacy, anyone?): it's a picture. Let's see the thing removed and in motion before we start jumping to conclusions. I wish I could make out what his shirt said | ||
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
Same. It's something about a mistake. And I'm sure it's just his right index finger since we saw his actual medical chart. | ||
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whatisthisasheep
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Dez Bryant punches Tyler Patmon at training camp. Sheldon Richardson resisting arrest, possessing an automatic weapon, driving under the influence. What did Brady do again? | ||
Shellshock
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JimmiC
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On July 31 2015 23:59 JimmiC wrote: Russell Wilson signed his deal by agreeing to a four-year, $87.6 million contract extension, making Wilson, for now, the second-highest-paid player in NFL history. The deal includes a $31 million signing bonus and approximately $60 million in guarantees. Guess h'es not messing around and either are the seahawks. It will be interesting to see what kind of team they can keep together now when that hits the books. The other interesting factor is it 4 years where most of the recent deals are 6. It's either the seahawks protecting them selves of RW betting on himself. Well we've locked up several key players for the next couple years already: Earl Thomas Kam Chancellor Richard Sherman Michael Bennett Cliff Avril KJ Wright Bobby Wagner Marshawn Lynch Jimmy Graham Doug Baldwin Russell Wilson We're gonna lose some people of course but we have a lot of our core guys set (minus holdouts, but theyre still have to play for us regardless). | ||
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giftdgecko
United States2126 Posts
On August 04 2015 07:38 Supamang wrote: Well we've locked up several key players for the next couple years already: Earl Thomas Kam Chancellor Richard Sherman Michael Bennett Cliff Avril KJ Wright Bobby Wagner Marshawn Lynch Jimmy Graham Doug Baldwin Russell Wilson We're gonna lose some people of course but we have a lot of our core guys set (minus holdouts, but theyre still have to play for us regardless). Honestly they are in better shape than the Pats were during their "dynasty" | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23919 Posts
On August 04 2015 07:38 Supamang wrote: Well we've locked up several key players for the next couple years already: Earl Thomas Kam Chancellor Richard Sherman Michael Bennett Cliff Avril KJ Wright Bobby Wagner Marshawn Lynch Jimmy Graham Doug Baldwin Russell Wilson We're gonna lose some people of course but we have a lot of our core guys set (minus holdouts, but theyre still have to play for us regardless). Damn, Just Damn. That's a menacing line up. Graham, Lynch, and Wilson.... Good luck stopping that within 10 yards of the end zone | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On August 04 2015 12:47 GreenHorizons wrote: Damn, Just Damn. That's a menacing line up. Graham, Lynch, and Wilson.... Good luck stopping that within 10 yards of the end zone I know.... it still kills me thinking, "What if we had Jimmy Graham for that 1 yard pass play instead of Ricardo Lockette?"..... | ||
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giftdgecko
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Shellshock
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