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dangthatsright
Profile Joined July 2011
1160 Posts
October 25 2014 17:16 GMT
#16941
On October 26 2014 02:13 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 02:12 dangthatsright wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:05 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:03 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:03 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:01 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:00 lopido wrote:
a Blizzcon without Flash, Rain and Soulkey will not be a good Blizzcon ;(

Sure it will. Flash hasn't had the best 2014, Rain's playing kinda off, and Soulkey's basically retired.

I feel like the quality of the games with them instead of some of the other players would just drop dramatically.

i wanted sOs and DRG D:

$O$ would've been cool to see and same with DRG, but it didn't happen. I mean... when you're only letting the top 16 players of a year play in Blizzcon, you're gonna lose out on some fantastic players.

its about to get fucking worse with region lock...in my opinion this will kill korean starcraft....


Hopefully WCS KR awards more points than other regions. Realistically you have to take into account the unique strength of korean national scene and to award even people who just qualify for code S ro32 large amounts of points.

the season finals kinda took care of giving wcs kr more points last year, while technically being a fair treatment of the regions
doesn't really help for people that don't make it far in the gsl though

the season finals were some of the best tournaments of the year...wtf were they removed this year???

scheduling was a pain in the ass
should be fine now though, gsl doesn't have the wcs kr branding anymore (and kespa ran their effectively-season-2-finals tournament after gsl started its third season) and esl runs both wcs na and wcs eu
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 25 2014 17:16 GMT
#16942
On October 26 2014 02:16 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 02:14 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:10 SC2Toastie wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:05 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:03 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:03 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:01 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:00 lopido wrote:
a Blizzcon without Flash, Rain and Soulkey will not be a good Blizzcon ;(

Sure it will. Flash hasn't had the best 2014, Rain's playing kinda off, and Soulkey's basically retired.

I feel like the quality of the games with them instead of some of the other players would just drop dramatically.

i wanted sOs and DRG D:

$O$ would've been cool to see and same with DRG, but it didn't happen. I mean... when you're only letting the top 16 players of a year play in Blizzcon, you're gonna lose out on some fantastic players.

its about to get fucking worse with region lock...in my opinion this will kill korean starcraft....

That.

It's more hilarious Jaedong qualified for Blizzcon by sheer EG Moneyz, he did nothing notable this year. Players like Maru, being on the top for the entire year, get shafted.

Region Lock is just another artificial solution to get more foreigners to the field, whilst WCS EU is actually proving foreigners are slowly catching up.

Result; A TON of Korean players will be forced to retire, as 3 seasons a year in which only 32 players get payed by earnings in individual leagues. Popularity drops off, Proleague seizes to exist, ggnore.

ORRRRRRRRRRR

We just enjoy Blizzcon because there's a ton of good names. Sure something will fill the gap Korean players will experience !


I wonder... if a lot of the top Koreans go back home, maybe they could start Proleague teams and make PL bigger. Just a thought, although I'm sure that it's not the first time someone suggested it.

Money, man, who's gonna pay for that?

Well, clearly nobody. Which is why you're right about a lot of retirements coming soon.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
October 25 2014 17:17 GMT
#16943
On October 26 2014 02:13 GumBa wrote:
Korea needs another tournament. There should be GSL and WCS there so it functions kinda like OSL and MSL back in the day. Add in a KESPA cup once a year and wcs points should be good in korea. With PL and smaller cups koreans will have plenty to play in then.

exactly but currently there is no way there is enough points for korea...they are going to get way to overloaded with pashun...if more tournaments with more points happen..then maybe...but region lock will greatly decrease the skill of foreigners EU at least proving that koreans promote growth and skill...for example, vortix. welmu, snute, bunny, etc...
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
October 25 2014 17:17 GMT
#16944
On October 26 2014 02:16 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 02:16 SC2Toastie wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:14 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:10 SC2Toastie wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:05 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:03 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:03 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:01 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:00 lopido wrote:
a Blizzcon without Flash, Rain and Soulkey will not be a good Blizzcon ;(

Sure it will. Flash hasn't had the best 2014, Rain's playing kinda off, and Soulkey's basically retired.

I feel like the quality of the games with them instead of some of the other players would just drop dramatically.

i wanted sOs and DRG D:

$O$ would've been cool to see and same with DRG, but it didn't happen. I mean... when you're only letting the top 16 players of a year play in Blizzcon, you're gonna lose out on some fantastic players.

its about to get fucking worse with region lock...in my opinion this will kill korean starcraft....

That.

It's more hilarious Jaedong qualified for Blizzcon by sheer EG Moneyz, he did nothing notable this year. Players like Maru, being on the top for the entire year, get shafted.

Region Lock is just another artificial solution to get more foreigners to the field, whilst WCS EU is actually proving foreigners are slowly catching up.

Result; A TON of Korean players will be forced to retire, as 3 seasons a year in which only 32 players get payed by earnings in individual leagues. Popularity drops off, Proleague seizes to exist, ggnore.

ORRRRRRRRRRR

We just enjoy Blizzcon because there's a ton of good names. Sure something will fill the gap Korean players will experience !


I wonder... if a lot of the top Koreans go back home, maybe they could start Proleague teams and make PL bigger. Just a thought, although I'm sure that it's not the first time someone suggested it.

Money, man, who's gonna pay for that?

Well, clearly nobody. Which is why you're right about a lot of retirements coming soon.


Unless a lot of them go abroad, playing for foreign teams and living in EU/AM ?
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
October 25 2014 17:18 GMT
#16945
On October 26 2014 02:16 dangthatsright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 02:13 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:12 dangthatsright wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:05 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:03 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:03 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:01 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:00 lopido wrote:
a Blizzcon without Flash, Rain and Soulkey will not be a good Blizzcon ;(

Sure it will. Flash hasn't had the best 2014, Rain's playing kinda off, and Soulkey's basically retired.

I feel like the quality of the games with them instead of some of the other players would just drop dramatically.

i wanted sOs and DRG D:

$O$ would've been cool to see and same with DRG, but it didn't happen. I mean... when you're only letting the top 16 players of a year play in Blizzcon, you're gonna lose out on some fantastic players.

its about to get fucking worse with region lock...in my opinion this will kill korean starcraft....


Hopefully WCS KR awards more points than other regions. Realistically you have to take into account the unique strength of korean national scene and to award even people who just qualify for code S ro32 large amounts of points.

the season finals kinda took care of giving wcs kr more points last year, while technically being a fair treatment of the regions
doesn't really help for people that don't make it far in the gsl though

the season finals were some of the best tournaments of the year...wtf were they removed this year???

scheduling was a pain in the ass
should be fine now though, gsl doesn't have the wcs kr branding anymore (and kespa ran their effectively-season-2-finals tournament after gsl started its third season) and esl runs both wcs na and wcs eu

they better bring them back next year...those were fantastic tournaments....
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
October 25 2014 17:18 GMT
#16946
On October 26 2014 02:17 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 02:13 GumBa wrote:
Korea needs another tournament. There should be GSL and WCS there so it functions kinda like OSL and MSL back in the day. Add in a KESPA cup once a year and wcs points should be good in korea. With PL and smaller cups koreans will have plenty to play in then.

exactly but currently there is no way there is enough points for korea...they are going to get way to overloaded with pashun...if more tournaments with more points happen..then maybe...but region lock will greatly decrease the skill of foreigners EU at least proving that koreans promote growth and skill...for example, vortix. welmu, snute, bunny, etc...

Tournaments happen in EU and NA.

Travel from KR to another region is taxing on the player and their teams' wallets...

We need more Hot6cup/Kespacup like tournaments taking place in Korea.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
October 25 2014 17:19 GMT
#16947
The Passion about KR scene dieing is big!
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 25 2014 17:20 GMT
#16948
On October 26 2014 02:19 SC2Toastie wrote:
The Passion about KR scene dieing is big!

Well, KR is the only reason StarCraft - in any form even existed as an eSport for a long time, and where I think the majority of the fanbase's favourites are located.
kiss kiss fall in love
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
October 25 2014 17:22 GMT
#16949
On October 26 2014 02:19 SC2Toastie wrote:
The Passion about KR scene dieing is big!


Passion and fear ! Without a healthy Korean scene, SCII as an e-sport is as good as dead...
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
October 25 2014 17:23 GMT
#16950
On October 26 2014 02:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 02:19 SC2Toastie wrote:
The Passion about KR scene dieing is big!


Passion and fear ! Without a healthy Korean scene, SCII as an e-sport is as good as dead...

It's alive as long as people play it >.>
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dangthatsright
Profile Joined July 2011
1160 Posts
October 25 2014 17:25 GMT
#16951
On October 26 2014 02:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 02:19 SC2Toastie wrote:
The Passion about KR scene dieing is big!


Passion and fear ! Without a healthy Korean scene, SCII as an e-sport is as good as dead...

at least they aren't kicking half the players out of the gsl with a team-based player limit
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
October 25 2014 17:25 GMT
#16952
On October 26 2014 02:23 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 02:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:19 SC2Toastie wrote:
The Passion about KR scene dieing is big!


Passion and fear ! Without a healthy Korean scene, SCII as an e-sport is as good as dead...

It's alive as long as people play it >.>


Most definitely, but if Koreans begin to retire left and right, the e-sport scene will most likely collapse. There will always be hundreds of people to play SCII, but a high level competitive scene is very dependent on the Korean scene as things stand.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
October 25 2014 17:26 GMT
#16953
On October 26 2014 02:23 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 02:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:19 SC2Toastie wrote:
The Passion about KR scene dieing is big!


Passion and fear ! Without a healthy Korean scene, SCII as an e-sport is as good as dead...

It's alive as long as people play it >.>

correct but region lock is insanely detrimental, remember that WCS is only a thing because Mike Morhaime likes SC and wants to invest heavily into it...blizzard is losing money on WCS not gaining it....
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
October 25 2014 17:27 GMT
#16954
On October 26 2014 02:25 dangthatsright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 02:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:19 SC2Toastie wrote:
The Passion about KR scene dieing is big!


Passion and fear ! Without a healthy Korean scene, SCII as an e-sport is as good as dead...

at least they aren't kicking half the players out of the gsl with a team-based player limit

jesus where did this hellish idea come from?
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
October 25 2014 17:30 GMT
#16955
On October 26 2014 02:26 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 02:23 The_Templar wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:19 SC2Toastie wrote:
The Passion about KR scene dieing is big!


Passion and fear ! Without a healthy Korean scene, SCII as an e-sport is as good as dead...

It's alive as long as people play it >.>

correct but region lock is insanely detrimental, remember that WCS is only a thing because Mike Morhaime likes SC and wants to invest heavily into it...blizzard is losing money on WCS not gaining it....

Blizzard also has LotV coming.
I also think cutting in the Korean scene is going to cost them a lot more money. For the first year or two, we'll have a lot of unknown/barely known US players because there's just not enough of them on top to ever have popped up. EU should be quite fine, but the Americas are getting shafted. Big risk is, China will dominate AM and we're none the wiser after that.

And Blizzard has a reputation to keep up. They won't just drop the game.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
JamesT
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
United States681 Posts
October 25 2014 17:30 GMT
#16956
On October 26 2014 02:27 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 02:25 dangthatsright wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:19 SC2Toastie wrote:
The Passion about KR scene dieing is big!


Passion and fear ! Without a healthy Korean scene, SCII as an e-sport is as good as dead...

at least they aren't kicking half the players out of the gsl with a team-based player limit

jesus where did this hellish idea come from?

Ongamenet is doing something similar with League
How are you doing today?
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 25 2014 17:31 GMT
#16957
On October 26 2014 02:30 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 02:26 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:23 The_Templar wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:19 SC2Toastie wrote:
The Passion about KR scene dieing is big!


Passion and fear ! Without a healthy Korean scene, SCII as an e-sport is as good as dead...

It's alive as long as people play it >.>

correct but region lock is insanely detrimental, remember that WCS is only a thing because Mike Morhaime likes SC and wants to invest heavily into it...blizzard is losing money on WCS not gaining it....

Blizzard also has LotV coming.
I also think cutting in the Korean scene is going to cost them a lot more money. For the first year or two, we'll have a lot of unknown/barely known US players because there's just not enough of them on top to ever have popped up. EU should be quite fine, but the Americas are getting shafted. Big risk is, China will dominate AM and we're none the wiser after that.

And Blizzard has a reputation to keep up. They won't just drop the game.

I think that China's gonna have to play pretty hard against AM. I don't really see them dominating, but maybe that's just me.
kiss kiss fall in love
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
October 25 2014 17:32 GMT
#16958
On October 26 2014 02:30 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 02:26 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:23 The_Templar wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:19 SC2Toastie wrote:
The Passion about KR scene dieing is big!


Passion and fear ! Without a healthy Korean scene, SCII as an e-sport is as good as dead...

It's alive as long as people play it >.>

correct but region lock is insanely detrimental, remember that WCS is only a thing because Mike Morhaime likes SC and wants to invest heavily into it...blizzard is losing money on WCS not gaining it....

Blizzard also has LotV coming.
I also think cutting in the Korean scene is going to cost them a lot more money. For the first year or two, we'll have a lot of unknown/barely known US players because there's just not enough of them on top to ever have popped up. EU should be quite fine, but the Americas are getting shafted. Big risk is, China will dominate AM and we're none the wiser after that.

And Blizzard has a reputation to keep up. They won't just drop the game.


Yeah for sure. It's the last competitive RTS, I hope they keep it alive and healthy for long, I can't stand MOBAs
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
October 25 2014 17:32 GMT
#16959
On October 26 2014 02:30 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 02:26 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:23 The_Templar wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:19 SC2Toastie wrote:
The Passion about KR scene dieing is big!


Passion and fear ! Without a healthy Korean scene, SCII as an e-sport is as good as dead...

It's alive as long as people play it >.>

correct but region lock is insanely detrimental, remember that WCS is only a thing because Mike Morhaime likes SC and wants to invest heavily into it...blizzard is losing money on WCS not gaining it....

Blizzard also has LotV coming.
I also think cutting in the Korean scene is going to cost them a lot more money. For the first year or two, we'll have a lot of unknown/barely known US players because there's just not enough of them on top to ever have popped up. EU should be quite fine, but the Americas are getting shafted. Big risk is, China will dominate AM and we're none the wiser after that.

And Blizzard has a reputation to keep up. They won't just drop the game.

legacy wont come anytime soon, the number of games they have released the past year and a half is more so than any other time period in blizz history... hearthstone, HOTS alpha...WoD...legacy will be saved for later...i wont be surprised if they dont talk about legacy at blizzcon either...
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-25 17:33:58
October 25 2014 17:33 GMT
#16960
On October 26 2014 02:32 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 02:30 SC2Toastie wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:26 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:23 The_Templar wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 02:19 SC2Toastie wrote:
The Passion about KR scene dieing is big!


Passion and fear ! Without a healthy Korean scene, SCII as an e-sport is as good as dead...

It's alive as long as people play it >.>

correct but region lock is insanely detrimental, remember that WCS is only a thing because Mike Morhaime likes SC and wants to invest heavily into it...blizzard is losing money on WCS not gaining it....

Blizzard also has LotV coming.
I also think cutting in the Korean scene is going to cost them a lot more money. For the first year or two, we'll have a lot of unknown/barely known US players because there's just not enough of them on top to ever have popped up. EU should be quite fine, but the Americas are getting shafted. Big risk is, China will dominate AM and we're none the wiser after that.

And Blizzard has a reputation to keep up. They won't just drop the game.


Yeah for sure. It's the last competitive RTS, I hope they keep it alive and healthy for long, I can't stand MOBAs

I'LL RAPE YOUR MOTHER NOOB *homophobic comment* GO AWAY DIE GET *disease* STOP FEEDING IDIDOT

Ugh. No thanks.
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