EPTEdit: Innovation to code B, unfortunately.
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Fewest Terran in GSL history
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bearhug
United States999 Posts
Edit: Innovation to code B, unfortunately. | ||
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
Also another 6 terrans, 3 of which are in 2 terran groups, are still to play. There's definitely a sharp decline in terran representation but it's not just maru and bbyong. Probably. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On January 22 2014 19:44 iaguz wrote: Worth pointing out a lot of good terrans aren't playing in this (taeja, bomber, polt, jjakji, MMA and more). Also terrans are doing quite well in Proleague right now. Kind of weird considering that people claim that protoss shine in bo1 formats, huh? Should be the other way around then, terran performing better in GSL and protoss performing better in Proleague. | ||
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
On January 22 2014 19:44 iaguz wrote: Worth pointing out a lot of good terrans aren't playing in this (taeja, bomber, polt, jjakji, MMA and more). Also terrans are doing quite well in Proleague right now. Also another 6 terrans, 3 of which are in 2 terran groups, are still to play. There's definitely a sharp decline in terran representation but it's not just maru and bbyong. Probably. Taeja, very likely considering his latest results. Bomber, polt, this is already very arguable. Jikaji, MMA ? Watch their latest games, they even lost to Foreigner Protoss. So this makes it +0-2 Terrans AT MAX, and supposing (for some weird reasons) that all T staid in Korea. Besides, your claim is unscientific since it is completly unveryfiable. "If these players plaid in Korea, they would probably beat good Korean P and get in code S". | ||
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
On January 22 2014 19:46 JustPassingBy wrote: Kind of weird considering that people claim that protoss shine in bo1 formats, huh? Should be the other way around then, terran performing better in GSL and protoss performing better in Proleague. The stake is a lot higher in GSL. We see protosses do weird builds and lose in proleague but then proceed to look very solid in code A (IM protosses, Zest ...). They might have not tried very hard in the team league. | ||
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ETisME
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now I am just confused | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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MiCroLiFe
Norway275 Posts
I stimmed 20 marines and the toss deffended whit ONE STALKER. GOOD JOBB BLIZZARD. Admins. dont give me a warnig for this. Its retarded if i get warning for statin something THAT is completly True. Toss is broken against terran. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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MiCroLiFe
Norway275 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:01 ETisME wrote: used to think tvp is imbalanced until I saw the result of fantasy beating yonghwa 2-0 now I am just confused Fantasy also beats flash. Fantasy is a really good terran. toss is stil broken | ||
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massivez
Belgium653 Posts
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:01 ETisME wrote: used to think tvp is imbalanced until I saw the result of fantasy beating yonghwa 2-0 now I am just confused It's late, YH is already in code S, he wanted to sleep. Progamer don't treat every event equally. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:08 massivez wrote: Every Korean Terran struggles against protoss atm. Maybe its time to realize that PvT cannot be "every Protoss best match up" for the reason that its their best match up, but rather that its favored towards Protoss in the current state. | ||
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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
On January 22 2014 19:44 iaguz wrote: Worth pointing out a lot of good terrans aren't playing in this (taeja, bomber, polt, jjakji, MMA and more). Also terrans are doing quite well in Proleague right now. Also another 6 terrans, 3 of which are in 2 terran groups, are still to play. There's definitely a sharp decline in terran representation but it's not just maru and bbyong. Probably. most of the terrans wins are from Maru and Ty/Flash thou.. | ||
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jotmang
Korea (South)16 Posts
A: Protoss Q: Which race is most broken from a game design perspective? A: Protoss Conclusion: Dustin Browder is a fucking idiot who has no business designing games. Extra: Dustin Browder, David Kim, and Jay Wilson are in charge of Heroes of the Storm development. Buyers Beware!!! User was banned for this post. | ||
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Melliflue
United Kingdom1389 Posts
On January 22 2014 19:56 SiroKO wrote: Taeja, very likely considering his latest results. Bomber, polt, this is already very arguable. Jikaji, MMA ? Watch their latest games, they even lost to Foreigner Protoss. So this makes it +0-2 Terrans AT MAX, and supposing (for some weird reasons) that all T staid in Korea. Besides, your claim is unscientific since it is completly unveryfiable. "If these players plaid in Korea, they would probably beat good Korean P and get in code S". jjakji would have been in Code S after being in the top 8 of the previous GSL. He forfeited the spot to move to EU. If he wanted to be in Code S he would have been. | ||
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massivez
Belgium653 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:13 Killmouse wrote: most of the terrans wins are from Maru and Ty/Flash thou.. But they struggle against Toss in tournament qualifiers. | ||
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
What i mean is look at the achievements of protoss players who qualified and compare them to zergs. Not to mention terrans who didnt qualify. | ||
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KawaiiRice
United States2914 Posts
On January 22 2014 19:56 SiroKO wrote: Taeja, very likely considering his latest results. Bomber, polt, this is already very arguable. Jikaji, MMA ? Watch their latest games, they even lost to Foreigner Protoss. So this makes it +0-2 Terrans AT MAX, and supposing (for some weird reasons) that all T staid in Korea. Besides, your claim is unscientific since it is completly unveryfiable. "If these players plaid in Korea, they would probably beat good Korean P and get in code S". unrelated but this is a hilarious typo | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
yeah, everyone knows his name is Jumanji. RIP in peace terran. obviously it's not GSL's fault but i'm not sure i'll watch too much of this season considering the race i enjoy watching most is almost not represented and the least fun race to watch has huge representation. zerg is fine as long as it's not mass ZvZ though. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:08 massivez wrote: Every Korean Terran struggles against protoss atm. Maru doesnt | ||
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Luolis
Finland7164 Posts
Every other one. | ||
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TheFlexN
Israel472 Posts
 We will see how this GSL will go, there are still really cool players in there. Time will tell I guess. | ||
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m0ck
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neptunusfisk
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Diogenes
United States132 Posts
ZvP is even worse from the games we saw from Life versus Afrotoss. A terrible game on Daedulus followed by 45 minute swarmhost game that was already over basically 10 minutes into the game. This entire season is PvP and ZvP guys. Have fun! .... | ||
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TheFlexN
Israel472 Posts
Liquidpedia isnt updated for 2013 that much, so I guess we need to wait for that info. | ||
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AxiomBlurr
786 Posts
Answer: No one is to blame except for the Code A Terran players failing to produce results.... | ||
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Val_
Ukraine156 Posts
:D | ||
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Samba
Germany452 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:24 Schelim wrote: yeah, everyone knows his name is Jumanji. RIP in peace terran. obviously it's not GSL's fault but i'm not sure i'll watch too much of this season considering the race i enjoy watching most is almost not represented and the least fun race to watch has huge representation. zerg is fine as long as it's not mass ZvZ though. Off topic: What´s up with all the RIP in piece?! Am i the one being stupid or does nobody actually know what RIP means?! It´s literally everywhere nowadays... | ||
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:15 jotmang wrote: Q: Which race received the most 'WHAT'S COOOOOOL' treatment from Dustin Browder? A: Protoss Q: Which race is most broken from a game design perspective? A: Protoss Conclusion: Dustin Browder is a fucking idiot who has no business designing games. Extra: Dustin Browder, David Kim, and Jay Wilson are in charge of Heroes of the Storm development. Buyers Beware!!! User was banned for this post. I just hope when the time comes for Warcraft 4 in a few years , these guys have nothing to do with it. | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
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ShakkaFL
Norway647 Posts
Although Proleague is fun as hell these days. | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:43 Diogenes wrote: This entire season is PvP and ZvP guys. Have fun! .... And ZvZ aswell | ||
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Rainmansc
Netherlands216 Posts
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On January 22 2014 19:46 JustPassingBy wrote: Kind of weird considering that people claim that protoss shine in bo1 formats, huh? Should be the other way around then, terran performing better in GSL and protoss performing better in Proleague. I think a lot of this has to do with the map pool, and the fact that GSL maps are picked instead of pre-determined, unlike Proleague. That eliminates the bias and favoring of the map selection process. For once, I might actually say that Proleague has less shit-tier maps than GSL. Funny, that. On January 22 2014 20:46 Samba wrote:Off topic: What´s up with all the RIP in piece?! Am i the one being stupid or does nobody actually know what RIP means?! It´s literally everywhere nowadays... RIP = Rest In Peace. It's commonly said for those who have died (tombstones / graves). But, the internet got ahold of it, and starting saying RIP in peace (obviously does not make sense, but that's what's funny about it. It's now Rest In Peace in peace!). | ||
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AxiomBlurr
786 Posts
Cry babies please find some objectivity... | ||
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:45 AxiomBlurr wrote: Why is protoss to blame? Why not Zerg? Zerg will end up with 11 or 12 players in Code S too. Answer: No one is to blame except for the Code A Terran players failing to produce results.... So Gumiho,Flash,Keen,Fantasy and Innovation are code A players,yet Classic,Ruin,YongHwa,MyuNgSiK,Panic,Zest,Stork and hero aren't ?!? Go click on nexus tossboy. | ||
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iGX
Australia414 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:45 AxiomBlurr wrote: Why is protoss to blame? Why not Zerg? Zerg will end up with 11 or 12 players in Code S too. Answer: No one is to blame except for the Code A Terran players failing to produce results.... this is probably the most intelligent answer all thread. i agree that the racial distribution is ridiculous for code S this season but it's no ones fault but the players themselves. all other leagues aside, protoss rarely gets a chance to shine in the GSL and the moment they get some form of momentum, a good percentage of non-protoss players start saying it's an easy race and/or blame david kim. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:55 AxiomBlurr wrote: Considering ZvP is the most dynamic match up (the match up with the highest variety of playstyles/units utilized) I cant wait for Code S!!!~~ Cry babies please find some objectivity... Enjoy your 2h games of SH v Voidrays. To each their own. | ||
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AxiomBlurr
786 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:56 Liman wrote: So Gumiho,Flash,Keen,Fantasy and Innovation are code A players,yet Classic,Ruin,YongHwa,MyuNgSiK,Panic,Zest,Stork and hero aren't ?!? Go click on nexus tossboy. That is correct...did you watch the matches?? yeah the defensive photon overcharge is to blame... | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:55 AxiomBlurr wrote: Considering ZvP is the most swarm host/infestory match up I cant wait for Code S!!!~~ Cry babies please find some new allins... Fixed that for you! No need to thank me. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:56 Liman wrote: So Gumiho,Flash,Keen,Fantasy and Innovation are code A players,yet Classic,Ruin,YongHwa,MyuNgSiK,Panic,Zest,Stork and hero aren't ?!? Go click on nexus tossboy. *Code B | ||
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Xarles
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
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AxiomBlurr
786 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:59 imrusty269 wrote: So code S games will be like 5 minutes PvP followed by 1 hour ZvP followed by 5 minutes PvP ..... Do you even watch this game? In Code A tonight for example...the vast majority of PvP games went to 3 bases.... | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
Mary will win agaisnt lesser protoss but will lose to Parting, Dear, etc. In fact he will have 50% WR vP , so game is balanced. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Maru has free reign in PL over Toss. Protoss only throw out their sneaky do or die strats there and he just outmicroes them. Just like last PL, where Protoss wins mostly came from a sort of early game thing. Which was the reason why the "play standard and just have better mechanics" Terrans took alot of wins. | ||
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CrayonPopChoa
Canada761 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On January 22 2014 21:00 Gamegene wrote: People shouldn't be that salty about it when you consider the # of Terrans playing the last two WCS/GSL seasons have been getting thinner and thinner on top of the declining performances of Flash and Innovation (on top of Taeja leaving for America). A big part of the salt comes from watching the actual games and seeing what protoss players are getting away with. When they keep winning with scouted blink all-ins game after game, I think some salt is warranted. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 22 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote: A big part of the salt comes from watching the actual games and seeing what protoss players are getting away with. When they keep winning with scouted blink all-ins game after game, I think some salt is warranted. you can get more eco/tech/upgs out of 6g blink than the T anyway... | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:55 AxiomBlurr wrote: Considering ZvP is the most dynamic match up (the match up with the highest variety of playstyles/units utilized) I cant wait for Code S!!!~~ Cry babies please find some objectivity... Swarm hosts aren't fun to watch. Nor are Void rays. Sry. I'm only upset because the Terrans are losing to a bunch of horribly designed units (Oracle, Mothership Core, Blink stalkers). Terrans are in a position where they HAVE to be ready to defend both oracles (6+ marines) AND blink stalkers (need marauders). Since the two do not really overlap, Terrans are forced to scout thoroughly and early or else they risk losing to one of the aggressive builds. Blink stalkers aren't the worst thing ever designed, but when there is the MSC, the Protoss doesn't have to make a robotics for the high-ground vision, speeding up the attack considerably. In addition, the MSC has one of the strongest abilities ever (GIANT AOE SLOW THAT IS CASTED BY A FLYING UNIT). If that doesn't reek of poor design, I don't know what does. Humorously, all of the other abilities that the MSC has are also poorly designed. So, please don't give us that "objectivity" bullshit, because there's nothing more obnoxious than that. Of the Terrans left, I suspect only Supernova and Ryung will get out, leaving us with a whopping 4! | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On January 22 2014 21:10 sAsImre wrote: you can get more eco/tech/upgs out of 6g blink than the T anyway... Youre right, my bad, its not really an all in considering the follow ups we see. But it can still easily win the game. #protossbuilds | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 22 2014 21:12 Bagi wrote: Youre right, my bad, its not really an all in considering the follow ups we see. But it can still easily win the game. #protossbuilds it was an all in, i don't think anything other than 1basing or a massive gate only push is all in for P in its current form, which is imo the core of the problem. You can pressure but committing to it should've consequencies like it does for Z/T | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On January 22 2014 21:03 FeyFey wrote: Maru has free reign in PL over Toss. Protoss only throw out their sneaky do or die strats there and he just outmicroes them. Just like last PL, where Protoss wins mostly came from a sort of early game thing. Which was the reason why the "play standard and just have better mechanics" Terrans took alot of wins. Let's see how Maru does against these Code S protoss. He honestly had no chance against Dear in the grand scheme of things, he was soundly beaten both times. Curious to see how he'd go against protoss players like PartinG as well. | ||
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Detri
United Kingdom683 Posts
On January 22 2014 21:05 ChoiSulli wrote: I have said this befoe in WoL but to me it seems stupid for an RTS game to be able to macro up easily to three base and equal your opponents army and then be forced to pull all scvs to kill them in one attack...like I cant imagine being able to do that in BW and yet in this game its like one of the most viable options for Terran in TvP.. It is kinda sad to have to see someone like Flash do this simply because he gets tricked with an early build order. Like serious the best BW Terran of all time can get a free pass to late game and that is what he determines is his best chance to win. that really is one of the biggest things that pisses me off with SC2. I completely agree. Late game toss is kinda broken. I have tweeted, posted, screamed, cried, yelled and moaned "Nerf warpgates, make it so it has an OPPORTUNITY COST to morph a warpgate from a gateway." Please for the love of the Gods change it so only gateways can be chronoboosted. It's not like chargelots and stalkers are slow... 1 bad engagement vs toss and you have lost the game. 0 defenders advantage, how can a RTS have gotten so popular with such a flawed fundamental game mechanic (that one is free blizzard, I called the mech upgrade buff 2 fracking years ago) | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25658 Posts
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