Ranked matchmaking coming to Dota 2 - Page 70

On December 28 2013 01:26 MotherOfRunes wrote:

there are misplaced people no doubt, for example people who dont use smurfs when teaching ultra hard noob friends for months....believe me your MMR will suffer und u end up somewhere u shouldnt be. the thing is though prolly 99% of people are in the wrong place, and there are way to many cry babies compared to the 1 % who maybe is misplaced. i bet if i would replay stalk the most of those cry babies here i would have a good laugh and witness people who just are in the pool where they belong :D

On December 28 2013 02:19 Kupon3ss wrote:
I think he meant that 99% of them are in the right place

On December 28 2013 03:53 Kupon3ss wrote:
the only constant factor in all of your losses is you

On December 28 2013 04:01 konadora wrote:
so is it supposed to correct that regardless of how i play, loss is a loss, i still lose same points?

look at this:
+ Show Spoiler +

i lose same points as when on the days i play really bad, even when i play well, no thanks to stupid teammates.

this is stupid -_- i'm honestly never going to get out of this ELO hell hole

On December 28 2013 04:24 NotYango wrote:

You will get unwinnable games some of the time. The thing is, the negative experience of those games overly biases you toward the times when that happens. Additionally, people tend to be more critical of people worse than them than they are of people better than them. So it will feel like 80% of the time you have at least one "stupid teammate" because you will not be the worst player on your team in 80% of your games even if matchmaking was perfect.

There are honestly probably many winnable games that you would actually win if you played just a little bit better.

EDIT: In fact, I would argue that most people are totally imperceptive to the skill level of other players unless the differences are very pronounced. I would actually guess that the times where you think you just "played really bad" you're actually playing the same as normal but happened to be playing one of those 40% games where you are the worst or 2nd-worst player on your team--so your mistakes are punished more often and you think you're playing worse when you're playing the same as always.

On December 28 2013 04:46 konadora wrote:

the thing is, if my teammate/i played bad, i understand. i'm not good enough, that much i'd admit. but when i'm stuck with teammates who flame, just afks in base, starts intentional feeding etc and it's like 30% of my games... it just really sucks. i pray hard every game i just get a decent fun game, regardless of win or loss. but because i get so many stupid games, and because the point difference never changes, i seem to be stuck in this hellhole where i keep getting the same kind of people due to the ranking ._.

maybe my point wasn't clear, but i just wish if you performed better but still lost, you'd at least lose less points :/

edit: just went 10-3-23 on shadow demon and i got +28.. 3 more than average lol. it's gonna take a loooooot of games...

On December 28 2013 03:53 Kupon3ss wrote:
the only constant factor in all of your losses is you

On December 28 2013 04:24 NotYango wrote:

You will get unwinnable games some of the time. The thing is, the negative experience of those games overly biases you toward the times when that happens. Additionally, people tend to be more critical of people worse than them than they are of people better than them. So it will feel like 80% of the time you have at least one "stupid teammate" because you will not be the worst player on your team in 80% of your games even if matchmaking was perfect.

There are honestly probably many winnable games that you would actually win if you played just a little bit better.

EDIT: In fact, I would argue that most people are totally imperceptive to the skill level of other players unless the differences are very pronounced. I would actually guess that the times where you think you just "played really bad" you're actually playing the same as normal but happened to be playing one of those 40% games where you are the worst or 2nd-worst player on your team--so your mistakes are punished more often and you think you're playing worse when you're playing the same as always.

On December 28 2013 05:04 Fatalize wrote:

Wrong. There's an other constant and that's the shit matchmaking algorithm

It doesnt even matter if I pick skywrath every game and rape every lanes with him, I will be matched 75% of the time with people thatb have no fucking idea how to play the game and will feed afterwards, and this is supposed to be 1% best players.

On December 28 2013 05:10 SKC wrote:
You win the games where the system puts the players that "don't know how to play" on the other team. You can't honestly believe it has a personal bias against you, which would be the only explanation. If it happens to you, it happens to the other team. Somehow, other people manage to win and rise up in ranks.

On December 28 2013 05:18 cilinder007 wrote:

yes ofcorse you do but there is no way in hell it can be done by having these 40 game win streaks like peeople are saying, the matchmaking is just too random for this sort of thing
I mean this for solo que, might not be the same if you stack

On December 28 2013 04:01 konadora wrote:
so is it supposed to correct that regardless of how i play, loss is a loss, i still lose same points?

look at this:
+ Show Spoiler +

i lose same points as when on the days i play really bad, even when i play well, no thanks to stupid teammates.

this is stupid -_- i'm honestly never going to get out of this ELO hell hole