EPTRanked matchmaking coming to Dota 2 - Page 70
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On December 28 2013 01:26 MotherOfRunes wrote: there are misplaced people no doubt, for example people who dont use smurfs when teaching ultra hard noob friends for months....believe me your MMR will suffer und u end up somewhere u shouldnt be. the thing is though prolly 99% of people are in the wrong place, and there are way to many cry babies compared to the 1 % who maybe is misplaced. i bet if i would replay stalk the most of those cry babies here i would have a good laugh and witness people who just are in the pool where they belong :D Wait, if 99% are in the wrong place, and 1% might be in the wrong place, then <1% are in the right place. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On December 28 2013 02:19 Kupon3ss wrote: I think he meant that 99% of them are in the right place yes.... derp :D...edited | ||
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MidgetExplosion
United States137 Posts
His MMR is higher than mine. | ||
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Greenstripe
United States164 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
look at this: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Gwm2p9K.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4SaBKoG.png) i lose same points as when on the days i play really bad, even when i play well, no thanks to stupid teammates. this is stupid -_- i'm honestly never going to get out of this ELO hell hole | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
On December 28 2013 03:53 Kupon3ss wrote: the only constant factor in all of your losses is you haha, harsh but true, nice way of thinking about it. | ||
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
On December 28 2013 04:01 konadora wrote: so is it supposed to correct that regardless of how i play, loss is a loss, i still lose same points? look at this: + Show Spoiler + i lose same points as when on the days i play really bad, even when i play well, no thanks to stupid teammates. this is stupid -_- i'm honestly never going to get out of this ELO hell hole You will get unwinnable games some of the time. The thing is, the negative experience of those games overly biases you toward the times when that happens. Additionally, people tend to be more critical of people worse than them than they are of people better than them. So it will feel like 80% of the time you have at least one "stupid teammate" because you will not be the worst player on your team in 80% of your games even if matchmaking was perfect. There are honestly probably many winnable games that you would actually win if you played just a little bit better. EDIT: In fact, I would argue that most people are totally imperceptive to the skill level of other players unless the differences are very pronounced. I would actually guess that the times where you think you just "played really bad" you're actually playing the same as normal but happened to be playing one of those 40% games where you are the worst or 2nd-worst player on your team--so your mistakes are punished more often and you think you're playing worse when you're playing the same as always. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
On December 28 2013 04:24 NotYango wrote: You will get unwinnable games some of the time. The thing is, the negative experience of those games overly biases you toward the times when that happens. Additionally, people tend to be more critical of people worse than them than they are of people better than them. So it will feel like 80% of the time you have at least one "stupid teammate" because you will not be the worst player on your team in 80% of your games even if matchmaking was perfect. There are honestly probably many winnable games that you would actually win if you played just a little bit better. EDIT: In fact, I would argue that most people are totally imperceptive to the skill level of other players unless the differences are very pronounced. I would actually guess that the times where you think you just "played really bad" you're actually playing the same as normal but happened to be playing one of those 40% games where you are the worst or 2nd-worst player on your team--so your mistakes are punished more often and you think you're playing worse when you're playing the same as always. the thing is, if my teammate/i played bad, i understand. i'm not good enough, that much i'd admit. but when i'm stuck with teammates who flame, just afks in base, starts intentional feeding etc and it's like 30% of my games... it just really sucks. i pray hard every game i just get a decent fun game, regardless of win or loss. but because i get so many stupid games, and because the point difference never changes, i seem to be stuck in this hellhole where i keep getting the same kind of people due to the ranking ._. maybe my point wasn't clear, but i just wish if you performed better but still lost, you'd at least lose less points :/ edit: just went 10-3-23 on shadow demon and i got +28.. 3 more than average lol. it's gonna take a loooooot of games... | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On December 28 2013 04:46 konadora wrote: the thing is, if my teammate/i played bad, i understand. i'm not good enough, that much i'd admit. but when i'm stuck with teammates who flame, just afks in base, starts intentional feeding etc and it's like 30% of my games... it just really sucks. i pray hard every game i just get a decent fun game, regardless of win or loss. but because i get so many stupid games, and because the point difference never changes, i seem to be stuck in this hellhole where i keep getting the same kind of people due to the ranking ._. maybe my point wasn't clear, but i just wish if you performed better but still lost, you'd at least lose less points :/ edit: just went 10-3-23 on shadow demon and i got +28.. 3 more than average lol. it's gonna take a loooooot of games... Look through your games, for every game where you feel like you lost despite your team. There are games where your team won without any major contributions from you. If you were to accept less points for those games you'll probably realize that the net change would end up being minimal. | ||
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Fatalize
France5210 Posts
On December 28 2013 03:53 Kupon3ss wrote: the only constant factor in all of your losses is you Wrong. There's an other constant and that's the shit matchmaking algorithm It doesnt even matter if I pick skywrath every game and rape every lanes with him, I will be matched 75% of the time with people thatb have no fucking idea how to play the game and will feed afterwards, and this is supposed to be 1% best players. | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On December 28 2013 04:24 NotYango wrote: You will get unwinnable games some of the time. The thing is, the negative experience of those games overly biases you toward the times when that happens. Additionally, people tend to be more critical of people worse than them than they are of people better than them. So it will feel like 80% of the time you have at least one "stupid teammate" because you will not be the worst player on your team in 80% of your games even if matchmaking was perfect. There are honestly probably many winnable games that you would actually win if you played just a little bit better. EDIT: In fact, I would argue that most people are totally imperceptive to the skill level of other players unless the differences are very pronounced. I would actually guess that the times where you think you just "played really bad" you're actually playing the same as normal but happened to be playing one of those 40% games where you are the worst or 2nd-worst player on your team--so your mistakes are punished more often and you think you're playing worse when you're playing the same as always. So what if Im probably the best player in the game almost every game and keep losing because once I start getting a lot of kills the enemy team goes as 5 and my team just doesn't want to deal with that and lets them push free towers and they really really don't want to listen to me if I tell them we sould also keep together | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On December 28 2013 05:04 Fatalize wrote: Wrong. There's an other constant and that's the shit matchmaking algorithm It doesnt even matter if I pick skywrath every game and rape every lanes with him, I will be matched 75% of the time with people thatb have no fucking idea how to play the game and will feed afterwards, and this is supposed to be 1% best players. surely you've also lost in inhouses, wraithnight, or against unfair bots | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On December 28 2013 05:10 SKC wrote: You win the games where the system puts the players that "don't know how to play" on the other team. You can't honestly believe it has a personal bias against you, which would be the only explanation. If it happens to you, it happens to the other team. Somehow, other people manage to win and rise up in ranks. yes ofcorse you do but there is no way in hell it can be done by having these 40 game win streaks like peeople are saying, the matchmaking is just too random for this sort of thing I mean this for solo que, might not be the same if you stack | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On December 28 2013 05:18 cilinder007 wrote: yes ofcorse you do but there is no way in hell it can be done by having these 40 game win streaks like peeople are saying, the matchmaking is just too random for this sort of thing I mean this for solo que, might not be the same if you stack No reasonable person believes you can only move up in MMR by getting a 40 game win streak. An average player with a 40 win streak could probally end up at the very top of matchmaking. It's just absurdly unlikely for a stablished account. The game is too random for this kind of thing, I wouldn't bet on Navi getting a 40 win streak against an average team, it has nothing to do with matchmaking. | ||
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Vadrigar
Bulgaria2379 Posts
On December 28 2013 04:01 konadora wrote: so is it supposed to correct that regardless of how i play, loss is a loss, i still lose same points? look at this: + Show Spoiler + i lose same points as when on the days i play really bad, even when i play well, no thanks to stupid teammates. this is stupid -_- i'm honestly never going to get out of this ELO hell hole K/D/A ratio has 0 effect on MMR. The only thing that affects it is win or lose. You see fluctuations in points gained/lost (25-28 or whatever) because of the people you got matched AGAINST. If they had a bit more than the ideal average MMR for your rank and you win you get a bit more points and vice-verse. | ||
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Fatalize
France5210 Posts
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