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Please keep the QQ to a minimum if you do not like this update. We are happy to hear your reasoning for not liking a ranked system, but no "OMG VOLVO WHY" posts.
Snorkle
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 14 2013 16:47 GMT
#601
Are people finding ranked matches without getting max search range? I have AP turned off and every single one of my matches so far has been max search range leading to large discrepancies in skill level between players. I am not complaining that my team is worse or anything, the other team obviously has an equally large range of skill in their players so most games come down to hoping that the lowest skilled player on your team doesn't go mid against the highest skilled player on the opposite team. Honestly I had more fun just matchmaking (very high bracket) before Ranked was a thing. The search time was faster and the players within the teams were closer in skill level.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-14 17:08:22
December 14 2013 17:06 GMT
#602
On December 15 2013 01:17 philqatw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 01:08 SKC wrote:
On December 15 2013 01:04 philqatw wrote:
On December 15 2013 00:40 govie wrote:
On December 15 2013 00:34 philqatw wrote:
How Ranked MMR will be calculated? Only in these 10 qualifying games? Or on previous games and these 10 games?


if i understand it correctly they take ur old hidden MMR and adjust it "a bit" after 10 games. That means that a scrub like me can not start out with dendiMMR.. in ranked matchmaking after winning 10 - 0...... grumblegrunble
however then it is just stupid, because how these 10 games can really change MMR, if i have 3k games :D It only can be fuken hard changing MMR by these 10 games

By changing you uncertainty, making it easier to change your future MMR. But more importantly, why does it need to be easy to change your MMR? You have 3k games, the system should have a good idea of how good you are. If you start winning games you are supposed to lose or the other way around too often, you uncertainty increases and your MMR adjusts anyway.

That's all is ok. Ranked MMR and Default MMR are different things. Volvo can just use Default MMR as initial Ranked MMR without 10 qualifying games these can change a bit MMR.


I dont know Valves reasons but it could be there are alot of trollgames inbetween the games. Each time i played a carry/gankerhero would be a troll game for me. It would infect my data in a way that it could i.e. stall true MMR (putting good players in bronze and maybe even bad players in masters). So, in general, if u want a good as possible mmr, these 10 games can get u where u belong faster. But the above is all speculation (and maybe a bit of truth mixed in).
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
December 14 2013 17:08 GMT
#603
Is it normal I can't see my match history anymore ? I open my profiel and everything is there except my match history.
HungrySC2
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States191 Posts
December 14 2013 17:30 GMT
#604
On December 14 2013 16:39 rob.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 15:39 HungrySC2 wrote:
Finished ranking matches with 4113. I really doubt that I'm a top 1% player in Dota. Are MMR inflated or something?


How many placement matches did you win?


I think I went 6-4.
"First say to yourself what you would be; And then do what you have to do. (Epictetus)
Teejing
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany1360 Posts
December 14 2013 17:46 GMT
#605
Its even worse for me going 2-8 in matches and getting 4200 rating. On top of that i lost some matches on my own trying out that new hero who i am bad with apparently.
Actually i was content with a low rating so i could ascend the ladder.
Since im only on page 10-20 right now in live matches more or less i would guess the top players have 5000+ rating.
sninja
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland207 Posts
December 14 2013 17:56 GMT
#606
On December 15 2013 02:08 BlitzerSC wrote:
Is it normal I can't see my match history anymore ? I open my profiel and everything is there except my match history.


i dont have it either. Makes me wonder whether they decided to drop it or is it a bug.
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-14 19:01:21
December 14 2013 18:59 GMT
#607
On December 15 2013 01:47 Snorkle wrote:
Are people finding ranked matches without getting max search range? I have AP turned off and every single one of my matches so far has been max search range leading to large discrepancies in skill level between players. I am not complaining that my team is worse or anything, the other team obviously has an equally large range of skill in their players so most games come down to hoping that the lowest skilled player on your team doesn't go mid against the highest skilled player on the opposite team. Honestly I had more fun just matchmaking (very high bracket) before Ranked was a thing. The search time was faster and the players within the teams were closer in skill level.


The smaller number of variable you pick, the longer the queue takes. For instance if ur only searching CM and CD on USE, you will take way longer on average than most because most of the ranked players atm are just playing AP to get their 10 games done as fast as possible. Once the system has been in a while, more and more will move to CM and CD and ur queue times will shorten somewhat. If you add more servers or more mode options, ur queue will go down but you will be playing a lot of AP ;p

I've actually found that queuing all 3 i get roughly 1/3 of each game type, which isn't so bad and exactly what you would hope for statistically ;p
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-14 19:02:50
December 14 2013 19:02 GMT
#608
I havent played 1 ranked yet. I must say that CM and CD are relaxed now without the ranging bulls in unranked
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willstertben
Profile Joined May 2013
427 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-14 19:37:06
December 14 2013 19:36 GMT
#609
oh wow ranked ap is retarded.
tryhard stacks picking auto win compositions. fun game mode valve!
guess i'll just go cm or cd for ranked games then.
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-14 19:51:17
December 14 2013 19:48 GMT
#610
On December 15 2013 04:36 willstertben wrote:
oh wow ranked ap is retarded.
tryhard stacks picking auto win compositions. fun game mode valve!
guess i'll just go cm or cd for ranked games then.


or you could just hit the option that stops you playing against parties when ur solo........

edit: i actually can't find that option anymore lol
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
December 14 2013 19:49 GMT
#611
On December 15 2013 04:48 emythrel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 04:36 willstertben wrote:
oh wow ranked ap is retarded.
tryhard stacks picking auto win compositions. fun game mode valve!
guess i'll just go cm or cd for ranked games then.


or you could just hit the option that stops you playing against parties when ur solo........


it doesnt exist anymore

and people at the top mmrs are hardcore picking whether stacked or not
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
December 14 2013 19:56 GMT
#612
On December 15 2013 04:36 willstertben wrote:
oh wow ranked ap is retarded.
tryhard stacks picking auto win compositions. fun game mode valve!
guess i'll just go cm or cd for ranked games then.

how on earth are you surprised by that?
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 14 2013 19:57 GMT
#613
On December 15 2013 04:36 willstertben wrote:
oh wow ranked ap is retarded.
tryhard stacks picking auto win compositions. fun game mode valve!
guess i'll just go cm or cd for ranked games then.

Did you expect them to fuck around and pick trash line ups in ranked?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
December 14 2013 20:02 GMT
#614
On December 15 2013 04:49 Klonere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 04:48 emythrel wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:36 willstertben wrote:
oh wow ranked ap is retarded.
tryhard stacks picking auto win compositions. fun game mode valve!
guess i'll just go cm or cd for ranked games then.


or you could just hit the option that stops you playing against parties when ur solo........


it doesnt exist anymore

and people at the top mmrs are hardcore picking whether stacked or not


im picking properly too, usually i just random every game. But i'm just waiting to see what my tam pick to round out the team now, which seems to be the best thing. I'm not try harding, just being intelligent, now that it actually matter a little whether i win or lose and whether my team perform well
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 14 2013 20:40 GMT
#615
5 for 5, best support out there. I buy all the wards.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
December 14 2013 20:43 GMT
#616
On December 15 2013 04:57 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 04:36 willstertben wrote:
oh wow ranked ap is retarded.
tryhard stacks picking auto win compositions. fun game mode valve!
guess i'll just go cm or cd for ranked games then.

Did you expect them to fuck around and pick trash line ups in ranked?


Silly ranked ladder for some imaginary "points"? Sure I wouldn't be surprised if they fucked around. Most pros do just fuck around half the time on ladder because they can pull it off.

A serious tournament with money and reputation on the line? Nah they'd probably pick mostly serious but we can clearly see even there that some teams decide "we want to just have some fun this game".
Enlightened in an age of anti-intellectualism and quotidian repetitiveness of asinine assumptive thinking. Best lycan guide evar --> "Fixing solo queue all pick one game at a time." ~KwarK-
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34501 Posts
December 14 2013 20:48 GMT
#617
On December 15 2013 05:43 sCCrooked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 04:57 Plansix wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:36 willstertben wrote:
oh wow ranked ap is retarded.
tryhard stacks picking auto win compositions. fun game mode valve!
guess i'll just go cm or cd for ranked games then.

Did you expect them to fuck around and pick trash line ups in ranked?


Silly ranked ladder for some imaginary "points"? Sure I wouldn't be surprised if they fucked around. Most pros do just fuck around half the time on ladder because they can pull it off.

A serious tournament with money and reputation on the line? Nah they'd probably pick mostly serious but we can clearly see even there that some teams decide "we want to just have some fun this game".

At the same time the ranked matchmaking ladder is now the most competitive mode accessible to the average player, so I'm not surprised if people go into there with the intent to pull out TI4 winning compositions and what not.
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sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
December 14 2013 20:52 GMT
#618
On December 15 2013 05:48 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 05:43 sCCrooked wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:57 Plansix wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:36 willstertben wrote:
oh wow ranked ap is retarded.
tryhard stacks picking auto win compositions. fun game mode valve!
guess i'll just go cm or cd for ranked games then.

Did you expect them to fuck around and pick trash line ups in ranked?


Silly ranked ladder for some imaginary "points"? Sure I wouldn't be surprised if they fucked around. Most pros do just fuck around half the time on ladder because they can pull it off.

A serious tournament with money and reputation on the line? Nah they'd probably pick mostly serious but we can clearly see even there that some teams decide "we want to just have some fun this game".

At the same time the ranked matchmaking ladder is now the most competitive mode accessible to the average player, so I'm not surprised if people go into there with the intent to pull out TI4 winning compositions and what not.


Oh I'm sure there's a good % that will take ladder more seriously than normal unranked, but my point was its rather common even in "serious ladder mode" to find people good enough they want to try something weird or new that might interest them. It even happens in pro tournaments with huge money on the line, I'm sure it would happen in a free realm.
Enlightened in an age of anti-intellectualism and quotidian repetitiveness of asinine assumptive thinking. Best lycan guide evar --> "Fixing solo queue all pick one game at a time." ~KwarK-
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
December 14 2013 22:05 GMT
#619
Huh, my experience with ranked so far is pretty good. Nice people playing well. And I was queueing with a front-page-game guy, so I was way out of my depth. They were still forgiving of my mistakes.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Retvets
Profile Joined April 2013
1781 Posts
December 15 2013 00:51 GMT
#620
These validation ranking matches are more QQ material than good feeling.....
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