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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-31 14:57:34
March 31 2014 14:40 GMT
#7761
On March 31 2014 22:59 PaleMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 21:01 m4ini wrote:
On March 31 2014 20:55 PaleMan wrote:
On March 31 2014 20:49 m4ini wrote:
On March 31 2014 19:30 PaleMan wrote:
On March 31 2014 19:25 hypercube wrote:
On March 31 2014 19:17 PaleMan wrote:
ah I see, so basically you must be strong and big, so you can do whatever you want, right?
and if you are small and weak you must ally with big and strong and you can do whatever you want

i now understand what Putin plan is: to make Russia stronger and bigger, so we can do anything we want just like USA

well well well

sounds like a good plan to me



I hate to break it to you but Russia will never be big and strong again. That shipped has sailed.


sorry to dissapoint you, but Russia already big and strong
looky look - Russia took Crimea aaaaaand... got away with it

imagine what will happen with some other country (not counting USA) if they tried to do this trick


So stronk that your economy already is wobbling, after what, a couple of weeks of crisis - even without real sanctions.


oh really? i think you mixed up your dreams with reality


Rich from someone like you. oO


sounds like you a little bit disappointed
i can understand you - somebody does his thing and you can't do anything about it



I don't need to. See, in civilized countries, we tend to have at least to some degree capable medias. I know, someone who solely relies on rt.com doesn't understand this, but i, in your skin, would try other (even russian) medias. Russian officials even talk about an "economical crisis". I know, hard to grasp for someone whos view is as narrow as "we has tanks, so we mighty", but in the end, you kinda only look stupid.

PS: i don't want Ukraine in the EU, so why would i be disappointed.


oh we have crisis since the end of 2012 - i cannot see how it is connected to Crimea situation


Oh i wouldn't doubt for a second that you "cannot see it". All the better that even your government talks about a real crisis with the weight of the ukraine incident now.

I could list what happened to russias economy just in the last 3-4 weeks, how much money you guys lost and what big of an impact it had on the (i agree there) already measly economy, stuff like 0% projected growth, MICEX/RTS down by 8% in a single week (just one week, not the whole 4 weeks), recession almost not dodgable, rouble continuously on an all time low, etc - i sincerly doubt though, that you have any grasp on reality left to understand what that leads to. Small tip: not "big and strong."

US army is very weak, your troops are struggling to defeat tribes in Afganistan or Iraq while having air superiority, better equipment etc.


I remember that happening before, somewhere in the 80s (you forgot that you guys lost there as well, np). Might be the fact that guerilla and asymmetric wars are not the easiest wars to fight for a conventional army.
On track to MA1950A.
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-31 15:09:34
March 31 2014 15:04 GMT
#7762
@deb

it's significantly below standards for being used as a positive example (?) in the context of legislation that probably will / would be used for silencing dissent. hate-speech / extremism just labaelling used to justify oppression, not important in itself.

however i find the implication that the us has comparatively more freedom of expression for the average jack to make up for it's shortcomings in press freedom dubious. rather i think the index is indicative of the general whatsup.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
March 31 2014 15:08 GMT
#7763
On March 31 2014 23:40 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 22:59 PaleMan wrote:
On March 31 2014 21:01 m4ini wrote:
On March 31 2014 20:55 PaleMan wrote:
On March 31 2014 20:49 m4ini wrote:
On March 31 2014 19:30 PaleMan wrote:
On March 31 2014 19:25 hypercube wrote:
On March 31 2014 19:17 PaleMan wrote:
ah I see, so basically you must be strong and big, so you can do whatever you want, right?
and if you are small and weak you must ally with big and strong and you can do whatever you want

i now understand what Putin plan is: to make Russia stronger and bigger, so we can do anything we want just like USA

well well well

sounds like a good plan to me



I hate to break it to you but Russia will never be big and strong again. That shipped has sailed.


sorry to dissapoint you, but Russia already big and strong
looky look - Russia took Crimea aaaaaand... got away with it

imagine what will happen with some other country (not counting USA) if they tried to do this trick


So stronk that your economy already is wobbling, after what, a couple of weeks of crisis - even without real sanctions.


oh really? i think you mixed up your dreams with reality


Rich from someone like you. oO


sounds like you a little bit disappointed
i can understand you - somebody does his thing and you can't do anything about it



I don't need to. See, in civilized countries, we tend to have at least to some degree capable medias. I know, someone who solely relies on rt.com doesn't understand this, but i, in your skin, would try other (even russian) medias. Russian officials even talk about an "economical crisis". I know, hard to grasp for someone whos view is as narrow as "we has tanks, so we mighty", but in the end, you kinda only look stupid.

PS: i don't want Ukraine in the EU, so why would i be disappointed.


oh we have crisis since the end of 2012 - i cannot see how it is connected to Crimea situation


Oh i wouldn't doubt for a second that you "cannot see it". All the better that even your government talks about a real crisis with the weight of the ukraine incident now.

I could list what happened to russias economy just in the last 3-4 weeks, how much money you guys lost and what big of an impact it had on the (i agree there) already measly economy, stuff like 0% projected growth, MICEX/RTS down by 8% in a single week (just one week, not the whole 4 weeks), recession almost not dodgable, rouble continuously on an all time low, etc - i sincerly doubt though, that you have any grasp on reality left to understand what that leads to. Small tip: not "big and strong."

Show nested quote +
US army is very weak, your troops are struggling to defeat tribes in Afganistan or Iraq while having air superiority, better equipment etc.


I remember that happening before, somewhere in the 80s (you forgot that you guys lost there as well, np). Might be the fact that guerilla and asymmetric wars are not the easiest wars to fight for a conventional army.

Man, do not even argue with this guy, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. Really stop feeding a troll as he is, some days he would argue why autocracy is better than democracy, now he is into some weirdo dick measuring contest.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 31 2014 16:05 GMT
#7764
On April 01 2014 00:08 Roman666 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 23:40 m4ini wrote:
On March 31 2014 22:59 PaleMan wrote:
On March 31 2014 21:01 m4ini wrote:
On March 31 2014 20:55 PaleMan wrote:
On March 31 2014 20:49 m4ini wrote:
On March 31 2014 19:30 PaleMan wrote:
On March 31 2014 19:25 hypercube wrote:
On March 31 2014 19:17 PaleMan wrote:
ah I see, so basically you must be strong and big, so you can do whatever you want, right?
and if you are small and weak you must ally with big and strong and you can do whatever you want

i now understand what Putin plan is: to make Russia stronger and bigger, so we can do anything we want just like USA

well well well

sounds like a good plan to me



I hate to break it to you but Russia will never be big and strong again. That shipped has sailed.


sorry to dissapoint you, but Russia already big and strong
looky look - Russia took Crimea aaaaaand... got away with it

imagine what will happen with some other country (not counting USA) if they tried to do this trick


So stronk that your economy already is wobbling, after what, a couple of weeks of crisis - even without real sanctions.


oh really? i think you mixed up your dreams with reality


Rich from someone like you. oO


sounds like you a little bit disappointed
i can understand you - somebody does his thing and you can't do anything about it



I don't need to. See, in civilized countries, we tend to have at least to some degree capable medias. I know, someone who solely relies on rt.com doesn't understand this, but i, in your skin, would try other (even russian) medias. Russian officials even talk about an "economical crisis". I know, hard to grasp for someone whos view is as narrow as "we has tanks, so we mighty", but in the end, you kinda only look stupid.

PS: i don't want Ukraine in the EU, so why would i be disappointed.


oh we have crisis since the end of 2012 - i cannot see how it is connected to Crimea situation


Oh i wouldn't doubt for a second that you "cannot see it". All the better that even your government talks about a real crisis with the weight of the ukraine incident now.

I could list what happened to russias economy just in the last 3-4 weeks, how much money you guys lost and what big of an impact it had on the (i agree there) already measly economy, stuff like 0% projected growth, MICEX/RTS down by 8% in a single week (just one week, not the whole 4 weeks), recession almost not dodgable, rouble continuously on an all time low, etc - i sincerly doubt though, that you have any grasp on reality left to understand what that leads to. Small tip: not "big and strong."

US army is very weak, your troops are struggling to defeat tribes in Afganistan or Iraq while having air superiority, better equipment etc.


I remember that happening before, somewhere in the 80s (you forgot that you guys lost there as well, np). Might be the fact that guerilla and asymmetric wars are not the easiest wars to fight for a conventional army.

Man, do not even argue with this guy, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. Really stop feeding a troll as he is, some days he would argue why autocracy is better than democracy, now he is into some weirdo dick measuring contest.


Most likely you're right, but he's like a big trainwreck - you can't just not look.
On track to MA1950A.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
March 31 2014 16:45 GMT
#7765
On March 31 2014 23:04 LaughingTulkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 20:55 PaleMan wrote:
On March 31 2014 20:49 m4ini wrote:
On March 31 2014 19:30 PaleMan wrote:
On March 31 2014 19:25 hypercube wrote:
On March 31 2014 19:17 PaleMan wrote:
ah I see, so basically you must be strong and big, so you can do whatever you want, right?
and if you are small and weak you must ally with big and strong and you can do whatever you want

i now understand what Putin plan is: to make Russia stronger and bigger, so we can do anything we want just like USA

well well well

sounds like a good plan to me



I hate to break it to you but Russia will never be big and strong again. That shipped has sailed.


sorry to dissapoint you, but Russia already big and strong
looky look - Russia took Crimea aaaaaand... got away with it

imagine what will happen with some other country (not counting USA) if they tried to do this trick


So stronk that your economy already is wobbling, after what, a couple of weeks of crisis - even without real sanctions.


oh really? i think you mixed up your dreams with reality

Sounds extremely strong to me. Get back in your cave, it's people living in the past (like you) who make this world a shitty place.


sounds like you a little bit disappointed
i can understand you - somebody does his thing and you can't do anything about it


I wouldn't go so far as to say "can't". If the USA fought a war with Russia the results would be pretty one-sided. Lets say "won't do anything about it except talk and perhaps some sanctions that won't affect much" and then we can all agree.

I do think it's interesting that after a while you stop trying to justify the actions in Crimea as "justified" or "correct" and admit that it's simply the case of Russia taking what it wants because it deserves it and because it wants to be big and strong. On the whole, I think forced annexation of territory, including the real, actual people who live there, is not the behavior of a civilized country.

There is absolutely no chance of a war between Russia and the US. Though you are right that it would be one sided, the whole world will be on the losing side.
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
March 31 2014 18:24 GMT
#7766
On April 01 2014 01:05 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 00:08 Roman666 wrote:
On March 31 2014 23:40 m4ini wrote:
On March 31 2014 22:59 PaleMan wrote:
On March 31 2014 21:01 m4ini wrote:
On March 31 2014 20:55 PaleMan wrote:
On March 31 2014 20:49 m4ini wrote:
On March 31 2014 19:30 PaleMan wrote:
On March 31 2014 19:25 hypercube wrote:
On March 31 2014 19:17 PaleMan wrote:
ah I see, so basically you must be strong and big, so you can do whatever you want, right?
and if you are small and weak you must ally with big and strong and you can do whatever you want

i now understand what Putin plan is: to make Russia stronger and bigger, so we can do anything we want just like USA

well well well

sounds like a good plan to me



I hate to break it to you but Russia will never be big and strong again. That shipped has sailed.


sorry to dissapoint you, but Russia already big and strong
looky look - Russia took Crimea aaaaaand... got away with it

imagine what will happen with some other country (not counting USA) if they tried to do this trick


So stronk that your economy already is wobbling, after what, a couple of weeks of crisis - even without real sanctions.


oh really? i think you mixed up your dreams with reality


Rich from someone like you. oO


sounds like you a little bit disappointed
i can understand you - somebody does his thing and you can't do anything about it



I don't need to. See, in civilized countries, we tend to have at least to some degree capable medias. I know, someone who solely relies on rt.com doesn't understand this, but i, in your skin, would try other (even russian) medias. Russian officials even talk about an "economical crisis". I know, hard to grasp for someone whos view is as narrow as "we has tanks, so we mighty", but in the end, you kinda only look stupid.

PS: i don't want Ukraine in the EU, so why would i be disappointed.


oh we have crisis since the end of 2012 - i cannot see how it is connected to Crimea situation


Oh i wouldn't doubt for a second that you "cannot see it". All the better that even your government talks about a real crisis with the weight of the ukraine incident now.

I could list what happened to russias economy just in the last 3-4 weeks, how much money you guys lost and what big of an impact it had on the (i agree there) already measly economy, stuff like 0% projected growth, MICEX/RTS down by 8% in a single week (just one week, not the whole 4 weeks), recession almost not dodgable, rouble continuously on an all time low, etc - i sincerly doubt though, that you have any grasp on reality left to understand what that leads to. Small tip: not "big and strong."

US army is very weak, your troops are struggling to defeat tribes in Afganistan or Iraq while having air superiority, better equipment etc.


I remember that happening before, somewhere in the 80s (you forgot that you guys lost there as well, np). Might be the fact that guerilla and asymmetric wars are not the easiest wars to fight for a conventional army.

Man, do not even argue with this guy, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. Really stop feeding a troll as he is, some days he would argue why autocracy is better than democracy, now he is into some weirdo dick measuring contest.


Most likely you're right, but he's like a big trainwreck - you can't just not look.

His posts are amusing, the most recent ones, with this whole delusion of grandeur, made me burst into laughter several times. You should treat it this way too, it is the only healthy way of coping with it.
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
March 31 2014 18:41 GMT
#7767
On March 31 2014 23:40 m4ini wrote:
Oh i wouldn't doubt for a second that you "cannot see it". All the better that even your government talks about a real crisis with the weight of the ukraine incident now.

Ah well, for his part, there is another country that already couldn't pay it's bills and lives on the brink of poverty and only keeps up by getting more and more into dept... so, crisis anyone?

Getting back to topic ... not much topic there... maybe the reporters are getting bored, but there is not much new I'm reading about! Maybe it IS cooling down for now!
There can only be one Geisterkarle
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
March 31 2014 18:48 GMT
#7768
On April 01 2014 03:41 Geisterkarle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 23:40 m4ini wrote:
Oh i wouldn't doubt for a second that you "cannot see it". All the better that even your government talks about a real crisis with the weight of the ukraine incident now.

Ah well, for his part, there is another country that already couldn't pay it's bills and lives on the brink of poverty and only keeps up by getting more and more into dept... so, crisis anyone?

Getting back to topic ... not much topic there... maybe the reporters are getting bored, but there is not much new I'm reading about! Maybe it IS cooling down for now!


"But...America" and "nothing happening here." Were the soviets this bad back then?
Influ
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany780 Posts
March 31 2014 19:12 GMT
#7769
I wish the EU would have a stronger, more united voice to tell USA and Russia to finally stop their dick measurement on the back of others but sadly east europe is too scared of russia because of the past, western europe is money addicted and the middle is both and on top of it too pussy to speak it's mind.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-31 19:40:54
March 31 2014 19:17 GMT
#7770
Ah well, for his part, there is another country that already couldn't pay it's bills and lives on the brink of poverty and only keeps up by getting more and more into dept... so, crisis anyone?


So how many countries are there which are not russia or ukraine, which this thread is about?

Lets see. Countries not capable of paying bills, greek springs to mind, completely irrelevant in here, even though yes, pretty huge crisis - america, ish, not being able to decide on a budget, pretty huge crisis, as far as i remember - yes again there, and what other countries who have no business here in this thread we don't need to talk about?

There's pretty much going on though, don't know why you advertise differently.
On track to MA1950A.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 31 2014 19:56 GMT
#7771
On April 01 2014 03:41 Geisterkarle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 23:40 m4ini wrote:
Oh i wouldn't doubt for a second that you "cannot see it". All the better that even your government talks about a real crisis with the weight of the ukraine incident now.

Ah well, for his part, there is another country that already couldn't pay it's bills and lives on the brink of poverty and only keeps up by getting more and more into dept... so, crisis anyone?

Getting back to topic ... not much topic there... maybe the reporters are getting bored, but there is not much new I'm reading about! Maybe it IS cooling down for now!


There's less `breaking news' but there are finally some in-depth analyses emerging. Those are much more interesting to me.. but it leads to less discussion in the thread, I guess...

As for deescalation, it's not happening. Russia is poised with an invasion force, has officially mentioned Transnistria (looking at the map, that's a bad sign if their troops are east of Donetsk), and they are making new demands on Ukraine - asking for it to become a federation. It's still on the brink, but there's plenty of push-back, so it might die down eventually.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
March 31 2014 19:59 GMT
#7772
Polish media report that there was a shooting in Kiev, reportedly conducted by Right Sector member. City councilman got injured in shooting.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 31 2014 19:59 GMT
#7773
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/russia-is-remaking-itself-as-the-leader-of-the-anti-western-world/2014/03/30/8461f548-b681-11e3-8cc3-d4bf596577eb_story.html
In short, Putin intends to save the world from the West. He has started with Crimea. When he says he is protecting ethnic Russians in Ukraine, he means he is protecting them from the many terrible things that come from the West. A few days after the December address, Alexei Pushkov, head of the Duma committee on foreign relations, defined that threat on the floor of the chamber: “European Union advisers in practically every ministry of any significance, control over the flow of finances and over national programs, and a broadening of the sphere of gay culture, which has become the European Union’s official policy.”

Three months later, this is exactly how Russians see the events in Ukraine: The West is literally taking over, and only Russian troops can stand between the Slavic country’s unsuspecting citizens and the homosexuals marching in from Brussels.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-31 21:32:49
March 31 2014 21:22 GMT
#7774
On April 01 2014 00:04 nunez wrote:
@deb

it's significantly below standards for being used as a positive example (?) in the context of legislation that probably will / would be used for silencing dissent. hate-speech / extremism just labaelling used to justify oppression, not important in itself.

however i find the implication that the us has comparatively more freedom of expression for the average jack to make up for it's shortcomings in press freedom dubious. rather i think the index is indicative of the general whatsup.


never said it made up for it

you just have a really really hard time responding only to what i actually say

i think you are clinging to the index because you have literally nothing else. just keep acting like press freedom is the be-all end-all of expression and that reporters without borders is sole legitimate authority on press freedom, it's again literally the only way you can maintain your position.

US army is very weak, your troops are struggling to defeat tribes in Afganistan or Iraq while having air superiority, better equipment etc.


US army has

superior (both in quality and number) tanks
superior (both in quality and number) helicopters
superior (both in quality and numbers) APCs
superior logistics
superior (in quality) artillery
superior combined arms doctrine
(vastly) superior communications
superior UAVs for scouting and for missile attacks

not to mention US air force > russian air force pretty bad

saying us army would be weak against russia because it struggled to stop tribes from hiding and attacking civilians (us never militarily had a problem in straight up engagements, that's why the tribes fought guerilla warfare duh) is apples and oranges unless you think russia would try to fight a guerilla war against the US which would make no sense because any US-Russia land war would be taking place in central Europe where any guerilla action other than special forces would be against the Russians.

US Russia land war would be conventional and US outclasses Russia in every way in a conventional land war this isn't 1947 when the Red Army had the best tanks and almost ten million soldiers.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
March 31 2014 22:21 GMT
#7775
On March 31 2014 18:50 PaleMan wrote:
by the way, there is no democracy in Qatar too - it's an absolute monarchy
but nobody cares

and you know why?

because Qatar is long time USA ally


Or because Qatar doesn't invade foreign countries, and largely focuses on peacemaking and diplomatic efforts. Wherever they've gotten off that track, they've taken serious flak.

US army is very weak, your troops are struggling to defeat tribes in Afganistan or Iraq while having air superiority, better equipment etc.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan

Just sayin'.

Seriously, no-one thinks Russia could beat the US in a stand-up fight. Could the U.S. successfully occupy and pacify Russia? Probably not. But we're pretty good at smashing opposing armies. Russia, on the other hand, had a hard time putting down Georgia's troops in direct field combat, despite every imaginable superiority. The only remaining geopolitical card Russia carries is its nuclear arsenal.

Don't get me wrong: Europe, on its own, would have a hard time dealing with Russian aggression against, say, the Baltics. Hell, alone in a land war, they would have trouble with the Russian military head-to-head. But they wouldn't be alone.
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
April 01 2014 04:19 GMT
#7776
On April 01 2014 04:59 Sub40APM wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/russia-is-remaking-itself-as-the-leader-of-the-anti-western-world/2014/03/30/8461f548-b681-11e3-8cc3-d4bf596577eb_story.html
Show nested quote +
In short, Putin intends to save the world from the West. He has started with Crimea. When he says he is protecting ethnic Russians in Ukraine, he means he is protecting them from the many terrible things that come from the West. A few days after the December address, Alexei Pushkov, head of the Duma committee on foreign relations, defined that threat on the floor of the chamber: “European Union advisers in practically every ministry of any significance, control over the flow of finances and over national programs, and a broadening of the sphere of gay culture, which has become the European Union’s official policy.”

Three months later, this is exactly how Russians see the events in Ukraine: The West is literally taking over, and only Russian troops can stand between the Slavic country’s unsuspecting citizens and the homosexuals marching in from Brussels.

Yeah man, gays will invade Ukraine on pink tanks with rubber barrels.

Sadly, they are able to make a propaganda out of it.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
April 01 2014 05:12 GMT
#7777
On April 01 2014 06:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
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On April 01 2014 00:04 nunez wrote:
@deb

it's significantly below standards for being used as a positive example (?) in the context of legislation that probably will / would be used for silencing dissent. hate-speech / extremism just labaelling used to justify oppression, not important in itself.

however i find the implication that the us has comparatively more freedom of expression for the average jack to make up for it's shortcomings in press freedom dubious. rather i think the index is indicative of the general whatsup.


never said it made up for it

you just have a really really hard time responding only to what i actually say

i think you are clinging to the index because you have literally nothing else. just keep acting like press freedom is the be-all end-all of expression and that reporters without borders is sole legitimate authority on press freedom, it's again literally the only way you can maintain your position.

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US army is very weak, your troops are struggling to defeat tribes in Afganistan or Iraq while having air superiority, better equipment etc.


US army has

superior (both in quality and number) tanks
superior (both in quality and number) helicopters
superior (both in quality and numbers) APCs
superior logistics
superior (in quality) artillery
superior combined arms doctrine
(vastly) superior communications
superior UAVs for scouting and for missile attacks

not to mention US air force > russian air force pretty bad

saying us army would be weak against russia because it struggled to stop tribes from hiding and attacking civilians (us never militarily had a problem in straight up engagements, that's why the tribes fought guerilla warfare duh) is apples and oranges unless you think russia would try to fight a guerilla war against the US which would make no sense because any US-Russia land war would be taking place in central Europe where any guerilla action other than special forces would be against the Russians.

US Russia land war would be conventional and US outclasses Russia in every way in a conventional land war this isn't 1947 when the Red Army had the best tanks and almost ten million soldiers.

A friend of mine who is a pilot in the USAF says that basically no one ever shoots down F22's in training exercises -- even the Israeli pilots, who are the best in the world (according to him). The kill ratio is retarded. Long story short, the Russian air force wouldn't stand a chance against the Americans.
Dlash23
Profile Joined October 2012
Russian Federation38 Posts
April 01 2014 05:36 GMT
#7778
On April 01 2014 14:12 xDaunt wrote:
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On April 01 2014 06:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On April 01 2014 00:04 nunez wrote:
@deb

it's significantly below standards for being used as a positive example (?) in the context of legislation that probably will / would be used for silencing dissent. hate-speech / extremism just labaelling used to justify oppression, not important in itself.

however i find the implication that the us has comparatively more freedom of expression for the average jack to make up for it's shortcomings in press freedom dubious. rather i think the index is indicative of the general whatsup.


never said it made up for it

you just have a really really hard time responding only to what i actually say

i think you are clinging to the index because you have literally nothing else. just keep acting like press freedom is the be-all end-all of expression and that reporters without borders is sole legitimate authority on press freedom, it's again literally the only way you can maintain your position.

US army is very weak, your troops are struggling to defeat tribes in Afganistan or Iraq while having air superiority, better equipment etc.


US army has

superior (both in quality and number) tanks
superior (both in quality and number) helicopters
superior (both in quality and numbers) APCs
superior logistics
superior (in quality) artillery
superior combined arms doctrine
(vastly) superior communications
superior UAVs for scouting and for missile attacks

not to mention US air force > russian air force pretty bad

saying us army would be weak against russia because it struggled to stop tribes from hiding and attacking civilians (us never militarily had a problem in straight up engagements, that's why the tribes fought guerilla warfare duh) is apples and oranges unless you think russia would try to fight a guerilla war against the US which would make no sense because any US-Russia land war would be taking place in central Europe where any guerilla action other than special forces would be against the Russians.

US Russia land war would be conventional and US outclasses Russia in every way in a conventional land war this isn't 1947 when the Red Army had the best tanks and almost ten million soldiers.

A friend of mine who is a pilot in the USAF says that basically no one ever shoots down F22's in training exercises -- even the Israeli pilots, who are the best in the world (according to him). The kill ratio is retarded. Long story short, the Russian air force wouldn't stand a chance against the Americans.


it's a good thing that you think so =))
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
April 01 2014 06:46 GMT
#7779
On April 01 2014 06:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 00:04 nunez wrote:
@deb

it's significantly below standards for being used as a positive example (?) in the context of legislation that probably will / would be used for silencing dissent. hate-speech / extremism just labaelling used to justify oppression, not important in itself.

however i find the implication that the us has comparatively more freedom of expression for the average jack to make up for it's shortcomings in press freedom dubious. rather i think the index is indicative of the general whatsup.


never said it made up for it

you just have a really really hard time responding only to what i actually say

i think you are clinging to the index because you have literally nothing else. just keep acting like press freedom is the be-all end-all of expression and that reporters without borders is sole legitimate authority on press freedom, it's again literally the only way you can maintain your position.


seems like the most comprehensive and unbiased metric on the subject. stands well on its own too, i will stop defending it.

if there's no comparative advantage then the us is still a poor example in the general case. your links doesn't show any comparative advantage.

freedom of press is a significant part of freedom of speech, i think you'll agree.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
April 01 2014 06:47 GMT
#7780
What this thread went down too: it's fairly obvious that best (for Russia) outcome in theoretical war is a draw, as i n everyone dies from nukes.
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