Ukraine Crisis - Page 378

On March 28 2014 01:57 Kupon3ss wrote:
one's not a war and has no bombing of innocent civilians and the embassies of other nations so they're not similar at all

On March 28 2014 02:18 Yurie wrote:


Is there any place one can look up the international definitions of a de facto declaration of war? I would assume it would include moving military forces into the country and occupying part of it, but I don't know.

On March 28 2014 01:57 Kupon3ss wrote:
one's not a war and has no bombing of innocent civilians and the embassies of other nations so they're not similar at all

International definitions of war are actually more loose than "bombing of innocent civilians and the embassies of other nations" if you look at international definitions war is only truly "war" when it is officially declared and accepted as declared internationally

but just in case you'd like to know, the Germans did actually declare war

Categorical theory, under which the power to declare war includes "the power to control all decisions to enter war". This means that the power to 'declare war' in effect rests with the ability to engage in combat.

Categorical theory, under which the power to declare war includes "the power to control all decisions to enter war". This means that the power to 'declare war' in effect rests with the ability to engage in combat.

On March 28 2014 03:10 Kupon3ss wrote:
The existence of a state of war must be notified to the neutral Powers without delay, and shall not take effect in regard to them until after the receipt of a notification, which may, however, be given by telegraph. Neutral Powers, nevertheless, cannot rely on the absence of notification if it is clearly established that they were in fact aware of the existence of a state of war.[15]

3 September 1939 – United Kingdom, India, France, Australia and New Zealand declared war on Germany.


Which is precisely contradictory to the point you made about Germany not declaring war

3 September 1939 – United Kingdom, India, France, Australia and New Zealand declared war on Germany.

On March 28 2014 03:24 m4ini wrote:


Okay. So the allied forces declared war on germany, which i never disputed. We're talking about the german attack on poland. Show me where germany declared war, since now i'm curious.

By above definition, poland declared war on germany way before the 1.9. (which btw was the attack, so 3.9. is kinda pointless to cite, since it's the reaction to something that happened). It obviously doesn't fit in this regard, by those definitions (it's three, i cited one of them) the one stating that an army marching into another country is so obvious that it doesn't need an official declaration of war anymore.

But these are not "official definitions", but something a dude whos name i can't spell (and never heard of before) developed. By official standards (traditional, the ones you cited), germany never declared war to poland. Germany was declared war on BECAUSE of that attack, that's what you cited, yes.

Still, i wanna see where that nonsense about germany declaring war comes from.

Edit: dude above me's right though, feel free to pm me the link

On March 28 2014 01:54 m4ini wrote:


See the fun part is, a court ruled it illegal and lifted the ban. Not to mention that there's civil unrests in turkey because of that. It's a retard on the top-position, people want to get rid of him. See the difference to russia? Hint, the difference is not the dictatorship (which is remarkebly similar), but the people.

About kosovo: it was illegal, no doubt there. Was it necessary or legitimate? Lets just say, if russians find mass graves over and over again, sometimes with more than 800 russians in them, i will support russias decision. As for now, no. It's actually extremely different. And the argument "but look at kosovo nao!" is none, since nobody knows how the world works in crimea a couple of years from now.

People kinda forgot why the kosovo conflict erupted. It didn't have to do with 213 americans living there. Zeo, being a serbian, should now what reports led to the airstrikes.

So, no. I don't really see similarities between those two "wars" other than that both were illegal, but one legitimate. And that's not the crimean one.

On March 28 2014 03:58 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
I will probably interrupt your argue about war.

Right Sector's activists are storming Verhovna Rada's building right now according to RBK-Ukraine.

On March 28 2014 03:56 zeo wrote:

I'm not quite sure I understood what you said now. You mentioned why the Kosovo conflict erupted. The Racak 'massacre'? It has been proven numerous times that the 40 or so 'civilians' that were found dead in Racak were all of military age, all but one male, they wore mismatched clothes that had bullet holes in them that did not match the bullet holes found in the bodies, they were shot at from a large distance and they all had gunpowder residue on their hands and arms from firing weapons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQCmuEy0xRo

Here is an article by Chomsky if anyone wants to learn more about the conflict: http://www.chomsky.info/articles/200005--.htm

On March 28 2014 04:06 SilentchiLL wrote:


Have they given reasons for their actions already?

On March 28 2014 04:12 Roman666 wrote:

Seeing as they want Avakov pitchforked I would suspect it relates to the death of Oleksandr Muzychko.

On March 28 2014 04:10 Sub40APM wrote:

When did Chomsky become an expert on Serbian-Albanian relations?

On March 28 2014 04:06 SilentchiLL wrote:


Have they given reasons for their actions already?

On March 28 2014 04:13 SilentchiLL wrote:


Okay, I know I've been really busy with uni stuff this week but it seems like I missed something.
Who in the what died when and why?