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ProBot
Canada170 Posts
On March 18 2014 12:26 oneofthem wrote: canada relies on pipeline running through the us to get its shit to terminals, no? Trains as well, altho that's probably going to come to an end pretty quick. There's been a couple fuel / oil tanker de-railings lately. One in Quebec and another in ... i want to say New York state but I may be wrong but it was a tanker from Canada I think. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On March 18 2014 12:59 oneofthem wrote: well yea the na oil infrastructure seems pretty dumb. are existing refinery owners keeping new ones down or something. I dont know why Canada has shit infrastructure, but I do know that in the states it was a combo of environmental permits and the fact that prior to the China commodity boom in the mid 2000s oil wasnt that profitable of a business for the costs involved. | ||
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sgtnoobkilla
Australia249 Posts
On March 18 2014 07:48 Nyxisto wrote: As bad as the situation is for the Ukraine, i hope they just pull back. Without Western backup this is not going to end well. To be fair, this is the fourth time they've announced mobilisation since this whole fiasco started (not counting all those times they mentioned mustering up the number of active reservists to 20k). Unless Putin really forces their hand, those troops won't be doing much. | ||
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
On March 18 2014 12:12 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Very stupid, especially considering that nuclear power is the future of sustainable power generation. There's lots of people afraid of nuclear power for the least rational reasons, and I don't know what the story was in Germany, but there are such circles in the US. It may not be for another 30-40 years, but nuclear fusion power will (hopefully) eliminate all the naysayers, as its a lot safer and cleaner than fission power (which currently exists). Last I checked, France was doing pretty well with nuclear power. But as far as the European Union goes overall, Russia's meeting demand more than anything. Personally, I think less demand would be a good thing for Russia, as it would push them to give more priority to other industries that I personally would consider more important, especially tech. Poland is going nuclear too. Germany goes away from nuclear to get "green" and envisioned using Russian gas for power production. Now however, they may have to reevaluate this stance, as it turns out being "green" may be of lesser importance than being safe when it comes to power sources. | ||
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discomatt
113 Posts
On March 18 2014 12:43 Sub40APM wrote: Some but not all. The real issue is that for some reason there arent enough refineers up there so they wanted to build that Keystone pipeline towards your refineries in the Gulf. I dont actually understand why there isnt a bunch of the refineries in Alberta, refined products usually sell for more and thats more jobs for Canadians... Extracting from the oil sands is dirty enough. Refining creates a TON of waste that Canadians in general don't want to deal with. We've had enough issues with mineral refineries in the past, at least here in BC - Company goes bankrupt and the gov't gets to foot the clean-up bill.. Doing it clean is incredibly expensive. On March 18 2014 13:31 Sub40APM wrote: I dont know why Canada has shit infrastructure, but I do know that in the states it was a combo of environmental permits and the fact that prior to the China commodity boom in the mid 2000s oil wasnt that profitable of a business for the costs involved. Oil sands are relatively new. Infrastructure is tied up with red tape at the moment - No one wants a huge pipe or increased tanker traffic in their back yard. We don't trust the oil companies to pay for the actual costs when a pipe ruptures in untouched temperate rainforest, or a tanker does a repeat of the Valdez. It's not if it happens, it's when, and that's an issue. Hope this clears up with a quick summary. If you want more details or reading feel free to PM me. No need to derail. | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
http://blog.seattlepi.com/candacewhiting/2014/02/21/exxon-mobil-ceo-sues-to-keep-fracking-project-away-from-his-property-but-supports-fracking-elsewhere/ tl;dr Basically the URL-title  Fracking is good and cheap and has only "unimportant" influence on the environment! ... also keep it away from me! So fracking in the Ukraine is the "best" the big US-oil/gas companies can hope for! But to be fair: I also always hate those "green" people, that vote for more solar and wind power ... and when there are plans to build a solar/wind plant near them they are the first to petition against them, because of the view and it will lower the value of their property (many green supports are quite wealthy middle class)! But while I think all this is quite important in this whole Ukrainian "mess", we get a little off topic here! | ||
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Gamlet
Ukraine336 Posts
On March 18 2014 01:08 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Will russia be leader of that? Or do all those countries have same rights? Yeah.I think Russia its strongest slavian country | ||
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Gamlet
Ukraine336 Posts
On March 18 2014 01:01 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: So basicly u don't mind to live in a big country full of imperialism? With friendship with China and witout dollar. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
Tough luck: | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/crimea-crisis-putin-approves-draft-bill-to-annex-crimea-1.2576631 Seriously, come on. And he's not going to stop here either... Pretty soon, people in Kharkiv and Donetsk and even coastal cities like Odessa are going to have "protection", Putin's way, sooner or later. Also, the end of the truce on March 21 is going to be disastrous if Ukrainian soldiers don't leave Crimea. | ||
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
On March 18 2014 16:34 Ghanburighan wrote: Tough luck: https://twitter.com/MahirZeynalov/status/445819304274296832 Tough indeed. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4756 Posts
Also some people who were against anexation are being evicted from their homes. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On March 18 2014 17:28 Silvanel wrote: Polish media reports that turnout during referendum in Sevastopol was 124%. 474k votes cats while theres 383k people registred in Sevastopol. Pretty funny that they still make those kinds of mistakes, i mean they should be pretty good at faking votings right now. Hell, why did they even bother? The general popultion was in favor of being anexed anyway. Also some people who were against anexation are being evicted from their homes. Yeah I was listening to the radio and they were talking to someone from, I think it was a crimean tatar tv-station, and they said they conducted an exeperiment where they had a person go vote several times. The person managed to vote 3 times. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On March 18 2014 16:49 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Wow, he's been doing nothing but trolling ever since Russian soldiers marched into Crimea. And this is in fact true, newly brought up. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/crimea-crisis-putin-approves-draft-bill-to-annex-crimea-1.2576631 Seriously, come on. And he's not going to stop here either... Pretty soon, people in Kharkiv and Donetsk and even coastal cities like Odessa are going to have "protection", Putin's way, sooner or later. Also, the end of the truce on March 21 is going to be disastrous if Ukrainian soldiers don't leave Crimea. He isnt the only one The Russian stock market was equally dismissive, with the rouble performing well on the day. Markets elsewhere in Europe rose, judging that the prospect of trade battles was receding. Kathleen Brooks, research director at Forex.com, told Associated Press: "So far, the sanctions seem fairly toothless and much less severe than had been expected last week. From the market's perspective, the biggest risk was that the referendum would trigger tough sanctions against Russia that could lead to another cold war." Weak sanctions just encourage further action. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On March 18 2014 17:28 Silvanel wrote: Polish media reports that turnout during referendum in Sevastopol was 124%. 474k votes cats while theres 383k people registred in Sevastopol. Pretty funny that they still make those kinds of mistakes, i mean they should be pretty good at faking votings right now. Hell, why did they even bother? The general popultion was in favor of being anexed anyway. Also some people who were against anexation are being evicted from their homes. Combo of propaganda for domestic purposes and the same reason he bothers rigging the elections in Russia, need for control is paramount. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On March 18 2014 12:39 oneofthem wrote: yea w/e but u should look into Non LNT models of radiation risk. it is a real scientific issue not simply sweeping costs undr. if europe is energy independent, and solar/wind aint gonna cut it lets not kid ourselves, then they can better respond to russia Solar + wind can absolutely cut it in the long term. Generation costs are already comparable to new nuclear capacity, the only issue is you need storage to deal with intermittency. The long term cost projections are also much more favourable for solar than nuclear. Nuclear doesn't even make that much sense for strategic reasons either, since it would take years for new capacity to come online. LNG from the US or even fracking in Europe would be more politically viable, significantly cheaper and faster. | ||
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myminerals
560 Posts
On March 18 2014 17:28 Silvanel wrote: Polish media reports that turnout during referendum in Sevastopol was 124%. 474k votes cats while theres 383k people registred in Sevastopol. Pretty funny that they still make those kinds of mistakes, i mean they should be pretty good at faking votings right now. Hell, why did they even bother? The general popultion was in favor of being anexed anyway. Also some people who were against anexation are being evicted from their homes. I am sure that 80% if not more of Crimea citizens would like to join Russia. Above that, the same thing can be said for all eastern cities of Ukraine, such as Donetsk or Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkiv and many others. Rigged or not this referendum does not prove anything. Crimea has always been a Russian territory with people who think of themselves as Russians and speak Russian, what other facts do you need? I am not saying that it was absolutely right to "annex" this territory now, but I can't disagree with the fact that russian people live there. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On March 18 2014 18:39 myminerals wrote: I am sure that 80% if not more of Crimea citizens would like to join Russia. Above that, the same thing can be said for all eastern cities of Ukraine, such as Donetsk or Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkiv and many others. Rigged or not this referendum does not prove anything. Crimea has always been a Russian territory with people who think of themselves as Russians and speak Russian, what other facts do you need? I am not saying that it was absolutely right to "annex" this territory now, but I can't disagree with the fact that russian people live there. wrong numbers about eastern cities, more closer to 30% | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On March 18 2014 18:39 myminerals wrote: I am sure that 80% if not more of Crimea citizens would like to join Russia. Above that, the same thing can be said for all eastern cities of Ukraine, such as Donetsk or Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkiv and many others. Rigged or not this referendum does not prove anything. Crimea has always been a Russian territory with people who think of themselves as Russians and speak Russian, what other facts do you need? I am not saying that it was absolutely right to "annex" this territory now, but I can't disagree with the fact that russian people live there. Was Hitler right when he invaded Austria? | ||
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