Ukraine Crisis - Page 334

On March 18 2014 07:35 oneofthem wrote:
sechin is not 'some guy in russia.' he's the fsb front man in the oil industry. didn't he take that yukos guy's stuff.

On March 18 2014 07:37 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:


So, an oil man from 'terrible, stupid' Russia where everyone is supposedly a complete idiot is able to manhandle one of the world's greatest energy companies? That is the only point that's being made.

On March 18 2014 07:28 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:


HAHAHA! Now you're so desperate, that you're making completely irrelevant analogies. Saddam Hussein and the Baath took over a country through a political coup that established them as ruling the country. Nationalizing the oil was a policy of their government, and it was within their own country, and nor was it the works of capitalist economics but standard government seizure and nationalization of resources, which is often done in developing countries. That is no work of genius. That is aggressive political takeover and using that power. Last I checked, Sechin didn't take over a country. This is easily one of the worst analogies I've seen to businessmen of any kind.

And yet, your analogy fails further. Even as a political entity and big oil player, I don't think the Iraqi govt. was still powerful enough to tell BP what to do XD. Then some guy from Russia, not even Putin or the Russian government at that, is telling BP what to do, and BP complies. Your analogy would probably have worked better if you said Sechin took power in Russia and then took the entire energy industry and then told BP to give him money, but of course, that never happened.

But to say the least, I'm glad to have established that you're Russophobic. I should take things with as much weight as I would from Americaphobes.

On March 18 2014 07:38 oneofthem wrote:

i believe the convo was about the oligarchs' competency independent of the russian state. what sechin did certainly does not show this.

On March 18 2014 07:40 Acertos wrote:

I don't think he is russophobic but russogovernooligarchophobic and russopropagandaphobic. He must want to prove that Putin is a bastard taking advantage of the situation in Ukraine but also the history of Russia.
The leaders are hated not the people.

On March 18 2014 07:40 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:

The Russian state is the most powerful entity in Russia. You're either with them or against them. No one, not anyone from anywhere, can hope to be successful or competent in that situation.

On March 18 2014 07:41 oneofthem wrote:

idk how this helps your argument but ok

On March 18 2014 07:40 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:

The Russian state is the most powerful entity in Russia. You're either with them or against them. No one, not anyone from anywhere, can hope to be successful or competent in that situation.


Russophobic can be interpreted in many ways, but usually the denonym for a country is often times applied its government and elite as well. When people say "The Americans wanted to bomb Syria" back when it was getting pushed by Obama, the US govt. is meant, not the US people.
With that said, he has Ukrainian heritage, so it's no surprise he is the 1st or 2nd most active anti-Russia guy in this thread, even more than actual Ukrainians.

On March 18 2014 07:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:


You can be the greatest mind in business, but if I don't like you and I have the power to put you down, you will not be successful. This is the case of the Russian state and business leaders "independent" of the Russian state, who fall out of the picture when they try to go Mr. Independent and play by their own rules.
Have you made any argument yet btw? It almost feels like a discussion of semantics and Q&A thus far, and ignores the very original point about Russian acquisition of German energy industries, that yes, whatever entity you want to point to has the business power in Russia (and you can nitpick all day if you want), they aren't idiots to make a move like that given circumstances, according to a select few who know nothing of that specific picture (none of us do) and automatically assume it's a "typical" action by "stupid" Russians.

They all know Russia has a free hand in Crimea. Just look at McCain’s punchline: “A gas station masquerading as a country,” Why “gas station”? Because Russia is now the world’s #1 oil exporting nation, topping Saudi Arabia—that beacon of democracy and fine American ally—by more than a million barrels a day.

With reserves estimated at 80 billion barrels, Russia will have a stash of what everybody wants for a long, long time.

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The only media that seem willing to acknowledge this are the finance sites. They can’t afford to let jingoism affect their bets, so they’ve been surprisingly clear-headed, saying outright that there’s nothing the West can do

Analysts from Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Bank of America Corp. and Morgan Stanley have said Europe probably won’t back sanctions that limit flows of Russia’s oil and gas. European members of the Paris-based International Energy Agency imported 32 percent of their raw crude oil, fuels and gas-based chemical feedstocks from Russia in 2012.

It’s a sad day for America when you have to get your honest news from the pigs at Goldman Sachs, B of A, and Morgan Stanley. Kind of like Clarice having to walk through a gauntlet of tossed cum to hear Hannibal Lecter’s take on the latest serial killer.

Russia is invading Ukraine in the shadows.” The proof? Eli don’t need no stinkin’ proof.

On March 18 2014 08:35 nunez wrote:
oneofthem's referring to competence in 'free market' of state power.

ahh, finally war nerd piece on crimea:
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Nobody but the poor Armenians has had to live so long with a genocide that never makes the media.

On March 18 2014 09:01 Nyxisto wrote:

From your article nunez.

How can people still claim this. I simply don't get it. We have footage of Russian military vehicles with Russian license plates and Russian soldiers that tell journalists :"Hey I'm from Russia, I was sent here, so that's that."

That's like travelling around the world one time and still not believing that the earth is not flat.

On March 18 2014 09:08 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
From the article, it appears Eli Lake claims that Russian forces are all over Ukraine, not just in Crimea. The article's author is not stating that Russians are not attacking Ukraine. He's bringing to light Lake's belief that Russian forces are all over Ukraine.

On March 18 2014 09:18 Nyxisto wrote:

I don't know if the author has forgotten that Crimea actually was a part of Ukraine until like a few days ago. How nice of the Russians that they're not invading Ukraine completely. He kind of seems to forget the whole 'Russia is invading a country which it has guaranteed sovereignty 20 years ago' part.