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Russian Federation117 Posts
On March 18 2014 02:31 Sent. wrote:
From reading this thread I understand that Russians from Russia support annexation of Crimea because they think that Sevastopol is a Russian city. Can Putin use the same excuse to justify taking cities like Donetsk or Kharkiv?
Kharkiv or Krakov, yes, something like this. I think we can take both to protect people from ukrainian/polish fascists.
Hell, I know there are Moscow and St-Petersburg in USA. I am sure they need out protection from the american fascists!
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Russia is probably very happy that the west is not coordinated enough. Hopefully this doesn't give Russia confidence to expand their little invasion although reports say they may aim at Donetsk or something now.
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On March 18 2014 03:25 darkness wrote:Russia is probably very happy that the west is not coordinated enough. Hopefully this doesn't give Russia confidence to expand their little invasion although reports say they may aim at Donetsk or something now.
As I see it, the `sanctions' are an invitation to invade whoever they want. The only hope I have is that the Lithuanian FM said there will be more sanctions in a few days. But if they keep the same type of sanctions up, it won't matter even a little bit.
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Also, 1000 esports dollars to whoever predicted that Putin won't annex Crimea but will create a grey zone instead:
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
Was anyone doubting it? :D
On March 18 2014 02:54 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 02:43 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 18 2014 02:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On March 18 2014 02:19 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 18 2014 02:13 Sent. wrote:
I know Eastern Ukraine is more pro Russian than Western part but can you tell me if it's dominated by ethnic Russians like Crimea or by Russian speaking Ukrainians? To be completely honest, it's hard to find this pattern between them, especially 23 years since USSR disband. Same with Ukranians here, you basically never know besides accent sometimes that it's Ukranian Russian and not native. To be frank, younger generations are almost completely turned to west, elder to east. Kharkov for example, is the biggest student city, with big amount of highschools. Hard to find a common language between students and pre-pensionary age people. I started a conversation with few people, and I said that I will never support pro-russian strikes and big Russian flag on our streets, and few minutes later couple of people already called me as Banderovets. How can it be, that tine reason to call me an ultra radical? Russian speaking banderovets? Those people were close to 30, some of them from Russia, some of the from Donetsk, and some from Kharkov. In their eyes, if I'm not supporting this kind of strikes, and if I'm supporting pro-russian vector - i'm Banderovets. Pro-Ukranian* :D It's logical i guess, that young generations turn to West, universities and stuff are tempting. People just tend to exaggerate each side of conflict without even trying to find some common points. It is very complicated to find a common language, my grandma thought that every girl i'm talking is a whore, cause they used cosmetics, she thought that PC is a source of evil and it ruins my mind, and she told me so many cool stories about USSR, how everything was perfect, sun was shining brightly and so on...At the same time she was "close to church", which was out of law in USSR. U can't just simply find a common language with those generations, they are different.
It's all about people, i guess. Some are reacting nice, some don't want to change their minds.
That's it.
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I guess he was mad at the Crimean guys. "95.5? What are you, Kadyrov? I said an even 60% !"
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On March 18 2014 03:13 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 03:02 darkness wrote:On March 18 2014 02:54 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On March 18 2014 02:43 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 18 2014 02:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On March 18 2014 02:19 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 18 2014 02:13 Sent. wrote:
I know Eastern Ukraine is more pro Russian than Western part but can you tell me if it's dominated by ethnic Russians like Crimea or by Russian speaking Ukrainians? To be completely honest, it's hard to find this pattern between them, especially 23 years since USSR disband. Same with Ukranians here, you basically never know besides accent sometimes that it's Ukranian Russian and not native. To be frank, younger generations are almost completely turned to west, elder to east. Kharkov for example, is the biggest student city, with big amount of highschools. Hard to find a common language between students and pre-pensionary age people. I started a conversation with few people, and I said that I will never support pro-russian strikes and big Russian flag on our streets, and few minutes later couple of people already called me as Banderovets. How can it be, that tine reason to call me an ultra radical? Russian speaking banderovets? Those people were close to 30, some of them from Russia, some of the from Donetsk, and some from Kharkov. In their eyes, if I'm not supporting this kind of strikes, and if I'm supporting pro-russian vector - i'm Banderovets. Pro-Ukranian* :D It's logical i guess, that young generations turn to West, universities and stuff are tempting. People just tend to exaggerate each side of conflict without even trying to find some common points. It is very complicated to find a common language, my grandma thought that every girl i'm talking is a whore, cause they used cosmetics, she thought that PC is a source of evil and it ruins my mind, and she told me so many cool stories about USSR, how everything was perfect, sun was shining brightly and so on...At the same time she was "close to church", which was out of law in USSR. U can't just simply find a common language with those generations, they are different. Yes, I can confirm this USSR nostalgia is still common among mainly the older generations (basically, grandfathers and grandmothers). They always try to represent USSR as some very cool thing, and then this "evil democracy" has come to rip off everyone, lol. But then again, here are some of downsides of USSR (as they were in Bulgaria): - You had to wait for a car. I've heard the time to wait for was like 10 years. - You had at least one day of Russian TV. - Russian was a mandatory language to learn. - You weren't allowed to travel outside USSR territories. However, some exceptions were made (e.g. if there was a concert). - People were getting the same salary even if some of their colleagues were harder. Basically, no reward for harder work. - People were able to bypass exams, and apply for universities just based on political bonds not performance. - If you were not from the communist party, you had little work opportunity if any at all. - The Big Brother thing, everyone was spied. Too much police on street. I take this time to criticise UK's excessive CCTV as well. - There wasn't certain food in shops, e.g. bananas. People were waiting on queues to get some, and I think that was on a special day. - Prices were kept static, so you can imagine that inflation was dealt with without people's knowledge. Then, it backfired because it was one of the reasons Bulgaria bankrupted. Too many loans. Disclaimer: This is what I've been heard from older generation. I wasn't born during USSR times. Yes, everything is correct. Although food was cheap, Police worked pretty fine, medcine was free, people were more in sports. It was the only thing that I see were good.
food was cheap too bad there was none ;O
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But aren't all "republics" in Russian federations "independed"?
idk will russia take crimea into russian federation but isnt this the way to do it?
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On March 18 2014 03:46 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:But aren't all "republics" in Russian federations "independed"? idk will russia take crimea into russian federation but isnt this the way to do it?
It seems to be a modern European trend. Large nations breaking down and instead forming huge unions. Scotland, Venice, Catalan are all going in that direction right now. I don't really have anything against this trend. If UK, France and Germany breaks into a few parts EU has a shot at functioning well.
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On March 18 2014 03:13 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 03:02 darkness wrote:On March 18 2014 02:54 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On March 18 2014 02:43 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 18 2014 02:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On March 18 2014 02:19 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 18 2014 02:13 Sent. wrote:
I know Eastern Ukraine is more pro Russian than Western part but can you tell me if it's dominated by ethnic Russians like Crimea or by Russian speaking Ukrainians? To be completely honest, it's hard to find this pattern between them, especially 23 years since USSR disband. Same with Ukranians here, you basically never know besides accent sometimes that it's Ukranian Russian and not native. To be frank, younger generations are almost completely turned to west, elder to east. Kharkov for example, is the biggest student city, with big amount of highschools. Hard to find a common language between students and pre-pensionary age people. I started a conversation with few people, and I said that I will never support pro-russian strikes and big Russian flag on our streets, and few minutes later couple of people already called me as Banderovets. How can it be, that tine reason to call me an ultra radical? Russian speaking banderovets? Those people were close to 30, some of them from Russia, some of the from Donetsk, and some from Kharkov. In their eyes, if I'm not supporting this kind of strikes, and if I'm supporting pro-russian vector - i'm Banderovets. Pro-Ukranian* :D It's logical i guess, that young generations turn to West, universities and stuff are tempting. People just tend to exaggerate each side of conflict without even trying to find some common points. It is very complicated to find a common language, my grandma thought that every girl i'm talking is a whore, cause they used cosmetics, she thought that PC is a source of evil and it ruins my mind, and she told me so many cool stories about USSR, how everything was perfect, sun was shining brightly and so on...At the same time she was "close to church", which was out of law in USSR. U can't just simply find a common language with those generations, they are different. Yes, I can confirm this USSR nostalgia is still common among mainly the older generations (basically, grandfathers and grandmothers). They always try to represent USSR as some very cool thing, and then this "evil democracy" has come to rip off everyone, lol. But then again, here are some of downsides of USSR (as they were in Bulgaria): - You had to wait for a car. I've heard the time to wait for was like 10 years. - You had at least one day of Russian TV. - Russian was a mandatory language to learn. - You weren't allowed to travel outside USSR territories. However, some exceptions were made (e.g. if there was a concert). - People were getting the same salary even if some of their colleagues were harder. Basically, no reward for harder work. - People were able to bypass exams, and apply for universities just based on political bonds not performance. - If you were not from the communist party, you had little work opportunity if any at all. - The Big Brother thing, everyone was spied. Too much police on street. I take this time to criticise UK's excessive CCTV as well. - There wasn't certain food in shops, e.g. bananas. People were waiting on queues to get some, and I think that was on a special day. - Prices were kept static, so you can imagine that inflation was dealt with without people's knowledge. Then, it backfired because it was one of the reasons Bulgaria bankrupted. Too many loans. Disclaimer: This is what I've been heard from older generation. I wasn't born during USSR times. Yes, everything is correct. Although food was cheap, Police worked pretty fine, medcine was free, people were more in sports. It was the only thing that I see were good.
According to my history professor (Russian Canadian), the police would pull him over and ask for money, and they would get annoyed when he said he had no money. So he says "I have some vodka in the trunk", and the policeman has my prof pour him a big glass of vodka. Then my prof drives away and he sees the policeman pull over a dumpling truck! 
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On March 16 2014 18:35 Roman666 wrote:
I have a gut feeling that regardless the result, Kremlin will not allow Crimea to join RF, leaving it in limbo like Transnistria. That will give it another blackmail opportunity should it has anything to negotiate with Kiev in the future.
I will PM you my bank account number. 
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On March 18 2014 03:50 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 03:46 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:But aren't all "republics" in Russian federations "independed"? idk will russia take crimea into russian federation but isnt this the way to do it? It seems to be a modern European trend. Large nations breaking down and instead forming huge unions. Scotland, Venice, Catalan are all going in that direction right now. I don't really have anything against this trend. If UK, France and Germany breaks into a few parts EU has a shot at functioning well.
Well yes and no. If your EU then you have gave up on your souverinity in almost every way. So yes, i.e. catalan could hold a referendum for an independant state but then they still would not have souverinity (except breamcrumbpolicies and little details) as they are part of the EU. But im pretty sure that catalan will never be seperated from spain tho.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 18 2014 03:46 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:But aren't all "republics" in Russian federations "independed"? idk will russia take crimea into russian federation but isnt this the way to do it?
Nah, there is nothing independed in Russia.
Republics just can have their own language as second, that's all.
On March 18 2014 03:50 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 03:46 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:But aren't all "republics" in Russian federations "independed"? idk will russia take crimea into russian federation but isnt this the way to do it? It seems to be a modern European trend. Large nations breaking down and instead forming huge unions. Scotland, Venice, Catalan are all going in that direction right now. I don't really have anything against this trend. If UK, France and Germany breaks into a few parts EU has a shot at functioning well.
30 more countries in EU? Lel.
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On March 18 2014 04:08 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 03:46 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:But aren't all "republics" in Russian federations "independed"? idk will russia take crimea into russian federation but isnt this the way to do it? Nah, there is nothing independed in Russia. Republics just can have their own language as second, that's all. Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 03:50 Yurie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:46 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:But aren't all "republics" in Russian federations "independed"? idk will russia take crimea into russian federation but isnt this the way to do it? It seems to be a modern European trend. Large nations breaking down and instead forming huge unions. Scotland, Venice, Catalan are all going in that direction right now. I don't really have anything against this trend. If UK, France and Germany breaks into a few parts EU has a shot at functioning well. 30 more countries in EU? Lel.
You don't have to go back all that far in history to find those countries. If they can stay in EU after voting themselves out of their current country then I see no downside to splitting into smaller pieces.
The way Crimea did it wasn't a good example. I think if they did it without any overt Russian influence with international monitors on the voting nobody except Spain would have complained in the EU zone. The current way of doing it sets a bad example of breaking up a country next to you to gobble it up.
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On March 18 2014 04:02 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 18:35 Roman666 wrote:
I have a gut feeling that regardless the result, Kremlin will not allow Crimea to join RF, leaving it in limbo like Transnistria. That will give it another blackmail opportunity should it has anything to negotiate with Kiev in the future. I will PM you my bank account number.
I'll keep that on hold until Tuesday, though. Easy come, easy go.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 18 2014 04:15 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 04:08 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 18 2014 03:46 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:But aren't all "republics" in Russian federations "independed"? idk will russia take crimea into russian federation but isnt this the way to do it? Nah, there is nothing independed in Russia. Republics just can have their own language as second, that's all. On March 18 2014 03:50 Yurie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:46 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:But aren't all "republics" in Russian federations "independed"? idk will russia take crimea into russian federation but isnt this the way to do it? It seems to be a modern European trend. Large nations breaking down and instead forming huge unions. Scotland, Venice, Catalan are all going in that direction right now. I don't really have anything against this trend. If UK, France and Germany breaks into a few parts EU has a shot at functioning well. 30 more countries in EU? Lel. You don't have to go back all that far in history to find those countries. If they can stay in EU after voting themselves out of their current country then I see no downside to splitting into smaller pieces. The way Crimea did it wasn't a good example. I think if they did it without any overt Russian influence with international monitors on the voting nobody except Spain would have complained in the EU zone. The current way of doing it sets a bad example of breaking up a country next to you to gobble it up.
Is it a good idea anyway? How will those 30 countries survive?
I'm just curious because i highly doubt that for example every German part is as rich as Bayern, same with other.
Yugoslavia already separated few times and i highly doubt that country which had one of the biggest level of life in Europe was worse than stuff which is there now.
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On March 18 2014 04:19 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 04:15 Yurie wrote:On March 18 2014 04:08 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 18 2014 03:46 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:But aren't all "republics" in Russian federations "independed"? idk will russia take crimea into russian federation but isnt this the way to do it? Nah, there is nothing independed in Russia. Republics just can have their own language as second, that's all. On March 18 2014 03:50 Yurie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:46 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:But aren't all "republics" in Russian federations "independed"? idk will russia take crimea into russian federation but isnt this the way to do it? It seems to be a modern European trend. Large nations breaking down and instead forming huge unions. Scotland, Venice, Catalan are all going in that direction right now. I don't really have anything against this trend. If UK, France and Germany breaks into a few parts EU has a shot at functioning well. 30 more countries in EU? Lel. You don't have to go back all that far in history to find those countries. If they can stay in EU after voting themselves out of their current country then I see no downside to splitting into smaller pieces. The way Crimea did it wasn't a good example. I think if they did it without any overt Russian influence with international monitors on the voting nobody except Spain would have complained in the EU zone. The current way of doing it sets a bad example of breaking up a country next to you to gobble it up. Is it a good idea anyway? How will those 30 countries survive? I'm just curious because i highly doubt that for example every German part is as rich as Bayern, same with other. Yugoslavia already separated few times and i highly doubt that country which had one of the biggest level of life in Europe was worse than stuff which is there now.
Size isnt everything, otherwise Russians would be the richest people in the world.
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On March 18 2014 04:15 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 04:08 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 18 2014 03:46 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:But aren't all "republics" in Russian federations "independed"? idk will russia take crimea into russian federation but isnt this the way to do it? Nah, there is nothing independed in Russia. Republics just can have their own language as second, that's all. On March 18 2014 03:50 Yurie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:46 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:But aren't all "republics" in Russian federations "independed"? idk will russia take crimea into russian federation but isnt this the way to do it? It seems to be a modern European trend. Large nations breaking down and instead forming huge unions. Scotland, Venice, Catalan are all going in that direction right now. I don't really have anything against this trend. If UK, France and Germany breaks into a few parts EU has a shot at functioning well. 30 more countries in EU? Lel. You don't have to go back all that far in history to find those countries. If they can stay in EU after voting themselves out of their current country then I see no downside to splitting into smaller pieces. The way Crimea did it wasn't a good example. I think if they did it without any overt Russian influence with international monitors on the voting nobody except Spain would have complained in the EU zone. The current way of doing it sets a bad example of breaking up a country next to you to gobble it up.
The downside is that they can't get to an agreement having 28 member states, imagine what it would be with 58.
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