EPTof course the flip side of the coin is that releasing information about what you're doing about being hacked can be used in the wrong hands. pat isn't going to tell us exactly what he's doing because security matters are often best left private.
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dreamseller
Australia914 Posts
of course the flip side of the coin is that releasing information about what you're doing about being hacked can be used in the wrong hands. pat isn't going to tell us exactly what he's doing because security matters are often best left private. | ||
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Vin{MBL}
5185 Posts
On September 08 2006 23:33 ToT)Testie( wrote: Whoever shit talks Pat should pretty much be banned as they show they are ungrateful little shits who need repeated spankings until they can join the community. agreed :D | ||
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~AreS]
Canada2170 Posts
We need to give him some time to think things through, to accept and deal with what has happened. Would you be expecting someone who just lost all his work to make a split second decision on how things are going to go? I, for one, believe it would be in our best interest to give him time to get a plan together; things that are rushed into action don't always turn out so good. But don't get me wrong, I understand both sides of the situation. But arguing won't make things any better, they can only make it worse. This is the time that the community needs to shine through, to be just that; a community. Don't give up on Pat now, he needs your patience and support. We all do. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On September 08 2006 19:08 RepeNt wrote: yea lets all kiss manifestos ass cuz hes a genius... The entire 12th page revolves around the truth behind this post. | ||
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ChoboCop
United States954 Posts
On September 08 2006 16:54 Manifesto7 wrote: I just think that most of this community really sucks balls these days. There are some mature people who put a lot of time and energy into keeping it running, and then there are masses of people who simply take and take. The moment something goes wrong, there are all these fucking tears about it. Imagine for an instant if just 5 sites decided to stop working. TL, GG.net, PGT, WGT, and SCL. What would happen to this community? No VODs, no news, no ladder, back to the bnet days. As I said, there are a small clutch of individuals allowing masses of people to continue to enjoy this game. Whining about their work when you do nothing on your own just makes me crazy face mad. A-Fucking-men. Thank you sir. But more importantly: Thank you Pat for PGTour. | ||
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Ashur
Czech Republic646 Posts
On September 08 2006 16:54 Manifesto7 wrote: Imagine for an instant if just 5 sites decided to stop working. TL, GG.net, PGT, WGT, and SCL. What would happen to this community? No VODs, no news, no ladder, back to the bnet days. And what? There is many more communities in touch with starcraft. There are always jerks in every community, even in the admin teams. PGT was for a long time the exception and idol or the fair play. PGT is Pat's dream, cheat-free ladder. And its mainly up to him if he will see the potential of his work and repair the database or not. Everything is about the will and about the ppl that would help. Entities have their beginning and their end. | ||
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NSDAP
Canada53 Posts
On September 09 2006 11:56 Ashur wrote: And what? There is many more communities in touch with starcraft. There are always jerks in every community, even in the admin teams. PGT was for a long time the exception and idol or the fair play. PGT is Pat's dream, cheat-free ladder. And its mainly up to him if he will see the potential of his work and repair the database or not. Everything is about the will and about the ppl that would help. Entities have their beginning and their end. wtf are you okay | ||
jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
On September 08 2006 23:33 ToT)Testie( wrote: Whoever shit talks Pat should pretty much be banned as they show they are ungrateful little shits who need repeated spankings until they can join the community. Amen. A-friggin-men. Mani said it well when he said there's a few mature people out there to keep these communities alive. Little unappreciative dicks come in and take everything for granted. Show some respect. You should be appreciating Mani and crew for actually being mature moderators and making TL the top BroodWar forum. | ||
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iCCup.Trent
Argentina451 Posts
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In)Spire
United States1323 Posts
Bitches that blame Pat for this have no heart or good morals. | ||
Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On September 08 2006 18:58 Xeris wrote: When you make a commitment to something, you have to be held responsible, regardless of whether or not you are being paid for it. I manage a clan, I spend hours per week doing stuff for the clan, planning and runnings multiple events, trying to get at least 3-4 clanwars per weekend, handling recruitment, gaming with members, and making sure we do well in WGTCL and BWCL. I've only missed about 3 clanwars in the 9 months I've been with my team, with my other team that I managed, I would wake up at 8 am every sunday to play clanleague for almost a year. I made a commitment, and I honored it, I don't complain, I just do my job. Maybe its just me, but again, this is my attitude towards things, if you commit to something, you should keep your responsibility. I know managing PGT and all that takes time, but the admins and everyone who do it knew this when they signed up. If people can't come through when theyre needed, then why do they commit to something in the first place. It's not me being an asshole and saying "OMG I WANT PGT UP SO I CAN PLAY." Don't try to sound like you are so much of a hero Manifesto. It was a simple question, "when will PGT be back up so I can plan accordingly." It was not a demand for anyone to "get off their ass" I just asked for a timetable. I know it takes time to repair and stuff, so if Pat would say, "hey we got some downtime, be back in 3-4 days while we fix problems" thats cool. Rather than "bnet-x wasnt really affected... we'll be back shortly" and meanwhile the week has passed and no word. This is something WGT staff has done many times, and I know how people are annoyed with that. As I said before, when you commit to something, you have a responsiblity for it. So when PGT goes down, obviously there are thousands of gamers who have come to depend on PGT for their gaming etc, so the admin staff is somewhat responsible for this, since they made the commitment to work with PGT. If I wasn't managing a clan, and if I knew how to program, I'd be on this shit all day until it was fixed, but I dont have the skill or time, so I don't make commitments I can't fulfill. Anyways, thats just my take, and my point of view, if you don't like it, oh well. None of what I said in any way means I don't appreciate PGT or the work they do, because I know I do appreciate PGT, I've come to almost exclusively play on PGT and like the server and the admins a lot, so don't try to assume anything. A simple question should have a simple answer. "When will PGT be back up?" ___________ good day. Picture Pat spending all his free time to get PGT up asap, ignoring his family, his friends, and his own needs to get it done. Is that what you want? Pat has responsibilities to a LOT of people, not just PGT's players. He has a responsiblity to his mental and physical well-being, too. Frankly, his job, family, and himself come before PGT: those committments are more important. Do you honestly believe Pat made an implicit committment to work extremely hard and get PGT back up quickly in the event that it gets hacked? There is NO WAY he could do such a thing without respecting his other, more important responsibilities. So obviously he could not make such a committment. Now, are you telling Pat, "Either commit to bust your ass if PGT gets hacked or don't start PGT at all"? Because that is the same as saying "I wish PGT never existed." Lastly, maybe Pat didn't say when PGT would be back because he has no idea himself. Now instead of being all bitchy about it, or demanding that he tell us "I don't know", why don't you cut him some slack on this trivial matter and just assume he doesn't know? Don't you think he deserves this TINY OUNCE of leeway for all he's done? Pat never committed to getting PGT back in a hurry if it ever got hacked. If you think it was implied by starting PGT, then you are saying PGT should never have started at all. And it is self-centred and inconsiderate to demand a time estimate when you could simply assume he doesn't know. After all he's done for us, the least we can do is cut him some slack for this and give him the benefit of the doubt. | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
I also trust Pat to tell us when PGTour will be back once he is confident that he knows the answer. After all that he's done for us, this is the least we can do for him. In my opinion, anyone who won't show Pat this simple trust is an inconsiderate jackass. | ||
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SchOOl_VicTIm
Greece2394 Posts
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maareek
United States2042 Posts
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In)Spire
United States1323 Posts
On September 09 2006 14:41 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote: or just 12 Im 13  | ||
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DeadVessel
United States6269 Posts
On September 09 2006 14:15 Bill307 wrote: Picture Pat spending all his free time to get PGT up asap, ignoring his family, his friends, and his own needs to get it done. Is that what you want? Pat has responsibilities to a LOT of people, not just PGT's players. He has a responsiblity to his mental and physical well-being, too. Frankly, his job, family, and himself come before PGT: those committments are more important. Do you honestly believe Pat made an implicit committment to work extremely hard and get PGT back up quickly in the event that it gets hacked? There is NO WAY he could do such a thing without respecting his other, more important responsibilities. So obviously he could not make such a committment. Now, are you telling Pat, "Either commit to bust your ass if PGT gets hacked or don't start PGT at all"? Because that is the same as saying "I wish PGT never existed." Lastly, maybe Pat didn't say when PGT would be back because he has no idea himself. Now instead of being all bitchy about it, or demanding that he tell us "I don't know", why don't you cut him some slack on this trivial matter and just assume he doesn't know? Don't you think he deserves this TINY OUNCE of leeway for all he's done? Pat never committed to getting PGT back in a hurry if it ever got hacked. If you think it was implied by starting PGT, then you are saying PGT should never have started at all. And it is self-centred and inconsiderate to demand a time estimate when you could simply assume he doesn't know. After all he's done for us, the least we can do is cut him some slack for this and give him the benefit of the doubt. Good post, but sadly there will still be people that are only worried about themselves and what they want  . Good luck Pat, take as long as you need. Don't be hasty and let a small thing get by you so we don't have this again (not blaming you  ). Again, Good Luck. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
obviously he has responsibilities to himself and family etc, I'm not dumb. I didnt imply that he drop his life and work on pgt till he drops dead. The fact that I and other people are spending time thinking to ask when PGT will be up is a sign that we do care about it and we'd be saddened if all of Pat's efforts went to waste by some little hacker. | ||
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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
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ToT)Testie(
Canada723 Posts
THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW Temporarily Down Be back shortly! In Pat we trust. | ||
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Zeller
United States1109 Posts
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