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yeah the sentiment that there is too much reliance on advanced stats without context (the quality of shots and what not) is valid. he just sounds like a total fucking idiot when he cant even rattle off basic stats, or doesnt explain their method of determining talent
the comments about orr and mclaren say enough though. Orr is, and has always been, fucking useless if it wasn't punching things, and I say that as someone who always loved him. Horrible skater, no hands to speak of, not totally horrible in his own end but certainly not the lower line guy you wanna put out for an important defensive zone draw. he's the type of dude you stick out when you need stuff punched or if your moron coach realizes he ran his top three lines into the ground and is now forced to play orr as a breather.
but yeah, the stuff about the stats and being more concerned about the final outcome than the underlying numbers that scream luck. it's no different than some donk in poker playing some awful hand, getting lucky, and thinking it was something they did
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On July 18 2013 04:37 JimmiC wrote:
Bruins would be my favorite based on hard they are to play against in a 7 game series and thats not going to change as long as Chara is still useful. On top of that they dealt with some pretty massive injuries esspecially on there D and still almost own.
Horton is a loss no doubt but in the short Term Iginla isn't that big of a drop off, he still produced in the playoffs. And he will only be asked to be the 6th or 7th best forward on the Bruins.
Ericksson is a HUGE upgrade for next year. Yeah Seguin could be better in 3-7 years, but the Bruins are in win now mode.
The Bruins also have one of the most consistant Goalies in the leauge, 2 super exciting young Dman who hopefully can continue to Develope and improove. And Siedenberg and Boychuck are incredibly solid and underated.
MY vote for most overrated is the Oilers. Everyyear they are going to break through with all there young talent and then they don't. I see that trend continueing. They don't play a system well, their goaltending is bad, there Dman are bad at defence and there forwards are terrible defensively. Everyone loves potential but and youth is exciting because of what it turns into. But there are tons of 1st overall's who didn't turn into Crosby, and Stamkos is great but it's not TB is a lock for the playoffs so it's going to take a lot more in EDM then more hype and youth.
Oh look who comes out of the woodwork! ho ho ho. I guess you never did come to the T Dot, huh? hue hue hue. Considering the role Seguin's going to have in Dallas his numbers will only go up. Can you say the same for Ericksson in the role he will have for Boston? I find it highly unlikely. No matter what Ericksson has big shoes to fill considering Boston's recent success. Huge upgrade my foot!
On July 19 2013 03:41 QuanticHawk wrote:
yeah the sentiment that there is too much reliance on advanced stats without context (the quality of shots and what not) is valid. he just sounds like a total fucking idiot when he cant even rattle off basic stats, or doesnt explain their method of determining talent
the comments about orr and mclaren say enough though. Orr is, and has always been, fucking useless if it wasn't punching things, and I say that as someone who always loved him. Horrible skater, no hands to speak of, not totally horrible in his own end but certainly not the lower line guy you wanna put out for an important defensive zone draw. he's the type of dude you stick out when you need stuff punched or if your moron coach realizes he ran his top three lines into the ground and is now forced to play orr as a breather.
but yeah, the stuff about the stats and being more concerned about the final outcome than the underlying numbers that scream luck. it's no different than some donk in poker playing some awful hand, getting lucky, and thinking it was something they did
Well, the players are working with Barb on their skating and apparently Kadri's already made great strides (takes him two and a half less strides to get around the rink apparently). Trying to remember if it was Orr that Randy sat down with sometime before the last offseason begun and gave him a to do list if he wanted to make it back to the NHL and he hit all those marks. Yup, turns out I was right:
Toronto Maple Leafs win as coach Randy Carlyle about more than defence.
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Seguin is gonna get legit first line minutes now, without a doubt, but why wouldn't Eriksson?? Iggy isn't gonna get time over him, and neither will Looch. One is slowly starting to decline, and the other just flat out isn't nearly as skilled.
I agree, very big shoes to fill because of who they moved, but I can't imagine a scenario where a healthy eriksson doesnt come close to the 20toi/g he was getting in dallas. he can eat up es,pk and pp time and hes a natural winger. that's why they got him
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On July 19 2013 04:11 QuanticHawk wrote:
Seguin is gonna get legit first line minutes now, without a doubt, but why wouldn't Eriksson?? Iggy isn't gonna get time over him, and neither will Looch. One is slowly starting to decline, and the other just flat out isn't nearly as skilled.
I agree, very big shoes to fill because of who they moved, but I can't imagine a scenario where a healthy eriksson doesnt come close to the 20toi/g he was getting in dallas. he can eat up es,pk and pp time and hes a natural winger. that's why they got him
That's the point if we go by the numbers it doesn't look good. You will have to judge him by the intangibles & specialty teams. What line you putting him on Hawk? I see Eriksson as a role player. Boston has a ridiculous amount of depth.
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On July 16 2013 10:12 Slaughter wrote:
Ugh lets get to page two asap so I don't have to look at Patrick Kane's dumb face.
I am somewhat disappointed that the Red Wings decided to sign an aging Alfredsson and let the young guy with potential (Brunner) walk. Its not like they are in WIN NOW mode....
I don't believe Brunner had much potential, the guy plays way too scared, as soon as he hears a noise around him, he turns the puck over to avoid any potential physical contact. Whatever offense he did bring, was easily offset by his lack of defense and turnovers.
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On July 19 2013 04:22 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 04:11 QuanticHawk wrote:
Seguin is gonna get legit first line minutes now, without a doubt, but why wouldn't Eriksson?? Iggy isn't gonna get time over him, and neither will Looch. One is slowly starting to decline, and the other just flat out isn't nearly as skilled.
I agree, very big shoes to fill because of who they moved, but I can't imagine a scenario where a healthy eriksson doesnt come close to the 20toi/g he was getting in dallas. he can eat up es,pk and pp time and hes a natural winger. that's why they got him That's the point if we go by the numbers it doesn't look good. You will have to judge him by the intangibles & specialty teams. What line you putting him on Hawk? I see Eriksson as a role player. Boston has a ridiculous amount of depth.
wait, what doesn't look good? I must be misunderstanding something. the dude has very good numbers.
Eriksson's been a 70ish pt guy for a number of years, and had a bit of a down year last year on a bad dallas team (as did Jamie Benn, indicating it isnt the start of some decline). he had .6ppg last year, and had been running near or better than .8ppg for four years running, led dallas forwards for toi, and played 3m/pp and 1.5m/pk per game. He's basically Bergeron but at wing.
Why wouldn't he be a top 3 TOI forward for the b's at the end of the season? He's better than any winger there right now, and if no other reason, I can't imagine they trade their future star center for a dude to put him in a role position. Plus they lost two top 6 forwards (seguin bounced in and out of it during the year but finished third for forward toi).
re alfredsson and brunner, I think it was silly because, for any faults he may have had, brunner is much younger nad a this point, alfie just ain't that good anymore. They potentially gave up on a useful player to bring in a guy who has maybe two more years under his belt, and he's gona be repidly declining then
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D-Brown confirmed at 8/$5.875M ($47M total)
It is a minor overpayment, but not by much I don't think. He was due a pretty sizable bump from 3.1 or whatever he was at. Brown is very consistent in his production, bring a lot more than just offense, plays hard in all zones, etc and most importantly when looking at those long term deals, he has barely missed any time.
shorter term woulda been nicer obviously but not all that bad. beats the shit out of clarkson deal. dude is a fraction of a player that dbo is
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You didn't really answer my question Hawk. Where would you put him in your line-up? Goes back to what I said about depth and big bodies and that's one of the reasons Tyler didn't receive a whole lot of ice time. If Eriksson is going to make any impact on the Bruins it's mostly through specialty teams. That's where he's going to get his minutes too. The points aren't the real point if we're looking for a trade-off between the two. It's the specialty teams.
As for D-Brown. You know I hate anything over 5 years and technically almost every player who are over their entry level contracts are overpaid. o;
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Yeah I agree anything over 5 for a non superstar is gonna be at least kinda bad because of that. I think all the other things I mentioned about dbo, it makes it probably the least offensive of all of the long term deals for non superstars. ok is probably a fair term.
as for Loui, first for sure, but he probably moves around depending on who they are playing and what they are trying to do that day. Boston is similar to montreal in that they dont really have a clear cut first and give time that way. I am not sure who can play both wings or not (I think marchand can off hand but not sure) but something like:
Eriksson-Krejci-Iggy (even though I dont think iggy is worth that kind of money now)
Lucic-Berg-Marchand
is really balanced. You could also flip eriksson and lucic to have a defensive line with offensive talent with bergeron, and lucic and iggy together to bang around bodies.
i dunno i just really cant see any situation where eriksson falls out of top 3 toi for boston. he is pretty much bergeon on the wing, and berg and krejci are the two dudes who have a chance to out pace him as far as toi. erikson is way better in every sense than lucic except for hits and fights. marchand i really like a lot actually, but he is not at that level yet.
seguin did get a lot of ice time last year
http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20132BOSFAFALL&sort=timeOnIce&viewName=timeOnIce
his averages were a bit odd bc there was games where they rolled him on the third for chunks of the game because he was a lot better at C than W (or made a big deal about it, depending on if you believe the media about that) and on a coaching level, having that kinda talent playing weak opponents is pretty nice too.
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On July 19 2013 07:13 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 04:04 StarStruck wrote:On July 18 2013 04:37 JimmiC wrote:
Bruins would be my favorite based on hard they are to play against in a 7 game series and thats not going to change as long as Chara is still useful. On top of that they dealt with some pretty massive injuries esspecially on there D and still almost own.
Horton is a loss no doubt but in the short Term Iginla isn't that big of a drop off, he still produced in the playoffs. And he will only be asked to be the 6th or 7th best forward on the Bruins.
Ericksson is a HUGE upgrade for next year. Yeah Seguin could be better in 3-7 years, but the Bruins are in win now mode.
The Bruins also have one of the most consistant Goalies in the leauge, 2 super exciting young Dman who hopefully can continue to Develope and improove. And Siedenberg and Boychuck are incredibly solid and underated.
MY vote for most overrated is the Oilers. Everyyear they are going to break through with all there young talent and then they don't. I see that trend continueing. They don't play a system well, their goaltending is bad, there Dman are bad at defence and there forwards are terrible defensively. Everyone loves potential but and youth is exciting because of what it turns into. But there are tons of 1st overall's who didn't turn into Crosby, and Stamkos is great but it's not TB is a lock for the playoffs so it's going to take a lot more in EDM then more hype and youth.
Oh look who comes out of the woodwork! ho ho ho. I guess you never did come to the T Dot, huh? hue hue hue. Considering the role Seguin's going to have in Dallas his numbers will only go up. Can you say the same for Ericksson in the role he will have for Boston? I find it highly unlikely. No matter what Ericksson has big shoes to fill considering Boston's recent success. Huge upgrade my foot! On July 19 2013 03:41 QuanticHawk wrote:
yeah the sentiment that there is too much reliance on advanced stats without context (the quality of shots and what not) is valid. he just sounds like a total fucking idiot when he cant even rattle off basic stats, or doesnt explain their method of determining talent
the comments about orr and mclaren say enough though. Orr is, and has always been, fucking useless if it wasn't punching things, and I say that as someone who always loved him. Horrible skater, no hands to speak of, not totally horrible in his own end but certainly not the lower line guy you wanna put out for an important defensive zone draw. he's the type of dude you stick out when you need stuff punched or if your moron coach realizes he ran his top three lines into the ground and is now forced to play orr as a breather.
but yeah, the stuff about the stats and being more concerned about the final outcome than the underlying numbers that scream luck. it's no different than some donk in poker playing some awful hand, getting lucky, and thinking it was something they did Well, the players are working with Barb on their skating and apparently Kadri's already made great strides (takes him two and a half less strides to get around the rink apparently). Trying to remember if it was Orr that Randy sat down with sometime before the last offseason begun and gave him a to do list if he wanted to make it back to the NHL and he hit all those marks. Yup, turns out I was right: Toronto Maple Leafs win as coach Randy Carlyle about more than defence. I usually post in the TL + forums to avoid people like you. No I havn't been to TO in the last 2 weeks. I go there about once every two years with work and when I do I will still PM you, I can't wait to see all 5'8 150 pounds of you and giggle. I never once said I would be there shortly but I see your comprehension has not improved nor has you ability to be in touch with reality. Yes seguin's goals and assists will go up more then Ericksson. But guess whats thats not what matters. Basically every single Hockey writer and analyst says that Bruins upgraded big time short term. And basically every one that knows anything about hockey agree's. I would say the shoes arn't that big since Seguin was a thirdliner in the recent run and produced like a third liner. It's sad to me that you post with such conviction when you clearly have no clue. It's also sad that TL + doesn't let you filter people out. Maybe I will ask for a Mute button =-) I'm going to use my own personal mute button ( just ignore you) on you, since you add no value and you have no capacity to learn. Bye Bye
rofl. I see your still making assumptions! Yeah you did, you said you would be there in a few weeks but you keep telling yourself that bucko. If anyone needs a reality check it's you and you will learn the hard way. The only clueless hack is you. Stop projecting your inadequacies and know when to quit. Cannot handle the heat then get out. The so-called mute button is just another weak excuse like your bored comment. Just tell me when your in town and I'll accommodate ya so you can learn first hand what it's all about.
Also, everything you said just coincided with what I said so what are talking about Willis? Yeah, like I have no idea what I'm talking about. If you want to place some bets on the upcoming season considering you love your betting websites. Make a few wagers with me.
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On July 19 2013 04:32 kukarachaa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 10:12 Slaughter wrote:
Ugh lets get to page two asap so I don't have to look at Patrick Kane's dumb face.
I am somewhat disappointed that the Red Wings decided to sign an aging Alfredsson and let the young guy with potential (Brunner) walk. Its not like they are in WIN NOW mode.... I don't believe Brunner had much potential, the guy plays way too scared, as soon as he hears a noise around him, he turns the puck over to avoid any potential physical contact. Whatever offense he did bring, was easily offset by his lack of defense and turnovers.
better brunner who still has the ability to skate than crippled cleary taking top 6 minutes because Babcock and Holland love their pluggers. And better Cleary than that cripple Samuelsson who takes up 3m for the 20 games he isnt on IR. Red Wings need to actually seriously start training top forwards again, Datsyuk better not get the Lidstrom treatment of being surrounded and forced to elevate garbage on his way out of the league. And if Tatar and Nyquist arent getting at least half the season in the top 6 while Cleary/Abdelkader/Samuelson/Bertuzi do then what do they expect to do in another 3 years than the last of the golden boys drafted in the late 90s retire? be the new toronto?
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On July 19 2013 04:22 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 04:11 QuanticHawk wrote:
Seguin is gonna get legit first line minutes now, without a doubt, but why wouldn't Eriksson?? Iggy isn't gonna get time over him, and neither will Looch. One is slowly starting to decline, and the other just flat out isn't nearly as skilled.
I agree, very big shoes to fill because of who they moved, but I can't imagine a scenario where a healthy eriksson doesnt come close to the 20toi/g he was getting in dallas. he can eat up es,pk and pp time and hes a natural winger. that's why they got him That's the point if we go by the numbers it doesn't look good. You will have to judge him by the intangibles & specialty teams. What line you putting him on Hawk? I see Eriksson as a role player. Boston has a ridiculous amount of depth.
Huh? Erickson is going to be their number 1 LW. I am sure he will get something like 80 points.
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On July 19 2013 07:44 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +Eriksson-Krejci-Iggy (even though I dont think iggy is worth that kind of money now)
Lucic-Berg-Marchand I think they will keep Krejci and Lucic together. They play off each other well and Lucic needs Krejci puck control and passing to be at his best. For all his strengths he's not a great decision maker with the puck. I assumed Eriksson could be switched with iggy to the first but I think he will start 2nd with Berg and March.
Indeed. What do you know another thing we agree on yet I bet you'll find a way to spin this one around as well. ho ho ho.
On July 19 2013 07:43 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 04:22 StarStruck wrote:On July 19 2013 04:11 QuanticHawk wrote:
Seguin is gonna get legit first line minutes now, without a doubt, but why wouldn't Eriksson?? Iggy isn't gonna get time over him, and neither will Looch. One is slowly starting to decline, and the other just flat out isn't nearly as skilled.
I agree, very big shoes to fill because of who they moved, but I can't imagine a scenario where a healthy eriksson doesnt come close to the 20toi/g he was getting in dallas. he can eat up es,pk and pp time and hes a natural winger. that's why they got him That's the point if we go by the numbers it doesn't look good. You will have to judge him by the intangibles & specialty teams. What line you putting him on Hawk? I see Eriksson as a role player. Boston has a ridiculous amount of depth. Huh? Erickson is going to be their number 1 LW. I am sure he will get something like 80 points.
I don't see that happening.
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On July 19 2013 07:51 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 07:25 StarStruck wrote:On July 19 2013 07:13 JimmiC wrote:On July 19 2013 04:04 StarStruck wrote:On July 18 2013 04:37 JimmiC wrote:
Bruins would be my favorite based on hard they are to play against in a 7 game series and thats not going to change as long as Chara is still useful. On top of that they dealt with some pretty massive injuries esspecially on there D and still almost own.
Horton is a loss no doubt but in the short Term Iginla isn't that big of a drop off, he still produced in the playoffs. And he will only be asked to be the 6th or 7th best forward on the Bruins.
Ericksson is a HUGE upgrade for next year. Yeah Seguin could be better in 3-7 years, but the Bruins are in win now mode.
The Bruins also have one of the most consistant Goalies in the leauge, 2 super exciting young Dman who hopefully can continue to Develope and improove. And Siedenberg and Boychuck are incredibly solid and underated.
MY vote for most overrated is the Oilers. Everyyear they are going to break through with all there young talent and then they don't. I see that trend continueing. They don't play a system well, their goaltending is bad, there Dman are bad at defence and there forwards are terrible defensively. Everyone loves potential but and youth is exciting because of what it turns into. But there are tons of 1st overall's who didn't turn into Crosby, and Stamkos is great but it's not TB is a lock for the playoffs so it's going to take a lot more in EDM then more hype and youth.
Oh look who comes out of the woodwork! ho ho ho. I guess you never did come to the T Dot, huh? hue hue hue. Considering the role Seguin's going to have in Dallas his numbers will only go up. Can you say the same for Ericksson in the role he will have for Boston? I find it highly unlikely. No matter what Ericksson has big shoes to fill considering Boston's recent success. Huge upgrade my foot! On July 19 2013 03:41 QuanticHawk wrote:
yeah the sentiment that there is too much reliance on advanced stats without context (the quality of shots and what not) is valid. he just sounds like a total fucking idiot when he cant even rattle off basic stats, or doesnt explain their method of determining talent
the comments about orr and mclaren say enough though. Orr is, and has always been, fucking useless if it wasn't punching things, and I say that as someone who always loved him. Horrible skater, no hands to speak of, not totally horrible in his own end but certainly not the lower line guy you wanna put out for an important defensive zone draw. he's the type of dude you stick out when you need stuff punched or if your moron coach realizes he ran his top three lines into the ground and is now forced to play orr as a breather.
but yeah, the stuff about the stats and being more concerned about the final outcome than the underlying numbers that scream luck. it's no different than some donk in poker playing some awful hand, getting lucky, and thinking it was something they did Well, the players are working with Barb on their skating and apparently Kadri's already made great strides (takes him two and a half less strides to get around the rink apparently). Trying to remember if it was Orr that Randy sat down with sometime before the last offseason begun and gave him a to do list if he wanted to make it back to the NHL and he hit all those marks. Yup, turns out I was right: Toronto Maple Leafs win as coach Randy Carlyle about more than defence. I usually post in the TL + forums to avoid people like you. No I havn't been to TO in the last 2 weeks. I go there about once every two years with work and when I do I will still PM you, I can't wait to see all 5'8 150 pounds of you and giggle. I never once said I would be there shortly but I see your comprehension has not improved nor has you ability to be in touch with reality. Yes seguin's goals and assists will go up more then Ericksson. But guess whats thats not what matters. Basically every single Hockey writer and analyst says that Bruins upgraded big time short term. And basically every one that knows anything about hockey agree's. I would say the shoes arn't that big since Seguin was a thirdliner in the recent run and produced like a third liner. It's sad to me that you post with such conviction when you clearly have no clue. It's also sad that TL + doesn't let you filter people out. Maybe I will ask for a Mute button =-) I'm going to use my own personal mute button ( just ignore you) on you, since you add no value and you have no capacity to learn. Bye Bye rofl. I see your still making assumptions! Yeah you did, you said you would be there in a few weeks but you keep telling yourself that bucko. If anyone needs a reality check it's you and you will learn the hard way. The only clueless hack is you. Stop projecting your inadequacies and know when to quit. Cannot handle the heat then get out. The so-called mute button is just another weak excuse like your bored comment. Just tell me when your in town and I'll accommodate ya so you can learn first hand what it's all about. Also, everything you said just coincided with what I said so what are talking about Willis? Yeah, like I have no idea what I'm talking about. If you want to place some bets on the upcoming season considering you love your betting websites. Make a few wagers with me. I admit it, I'm weak I should just ignore you but when you blatenly lie its so hard. here is what I said "I was there 2 weeks ago for work I'll be there again eventually we should really meet, I would be happy to find out what it is that makes you over compensate this hard." How that means I'm going to be there in a couple weeks I have no idea. The rest of what u say goes back again to the over compensation thing I also brought it my post. You must live a sad sad life. I do enjoy sports betting. But I do it with real money. And I do it based on the odds I have quoted in the past. Odds you put no value in because you say they are meaningless. LOL I'm not going to make some unenforceable bet with some guy who will just change facts and make crap up. If you want to make a actual real money betting account and share your bets before events you are more then welcome to. I did in TL + relating to MMA and won about 1000. so it was good times. Any ways you have lots of posts to respond to because I see others are calling you on your nonsense also. GL!
Again your making baseless assumptions. So because I call out people for making hack job comments on forums that makes me live a sad life? Did I miss something here? If you honestly think I'm overcompensating for anything at all then that's more than enough reason for you and I to meet face-to-face. Stop projecting. Unlike you I call what I see, so if I see a stupid comment you bet your ass I'm going to call it out. I'm not going to make up shit about you. As for the two weeks thing I could have sworn you said you were coming here in two weeks. At least you went back to check. I sure as hell didn't because I was looking forward to you coming. If you can go back to grab that shit then it's beyond me why you couldn't take the time to format a PM.
We can make bets by all means.
Also don't spin my words around. I said I don't care about the odds when free agency was just under way because there's still a lot of variables up in the air. That has little to no meaning to me. Don't mince my words.
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On July 19 2013 07:43 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 04:22 StarStruck wrote:On July 19 2013 04:11 QuanticHawk wrote:
Seguin is gonna get legit first line minutes now, without a doubt, but why wouldn't Eriksson?? Iggy isn't gonna get time over him, and neither will Looch. One is slowly starting to decline, and the other just flat out isn't nearly as skilled.
I agree, very big shoes to fill because of who they moved, but I can't imagine a scenario where a healthy eriksson doesnt come close to the 20toi/g he was getting in dallas. he can eat up es,pk and pp time and hes a natural winger. that's why they got him That's the point if we go by the numbers it doesn't look good. You will have to judge him by the intangibles & specialty teams. What line you putting him on Hawk? I see Eriksson as a role player. Boston has a ridiculous amount of depth. Huh? Erickson is going to be their number 1 LW. I am sure he will get something like 80 points.
I think high 60s low 70s is more realistic. Boston isn't that open offensively, and they like to spread the offense around the top 6, but the team puts up points and he will get his for sure.
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