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The 2014 NHL Season - Two Accounts, No Cups - Page 205
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LeeDawg
United States1306 Posts
PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR HATE. | ||
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
On June 03 2014 15:20 LeeDawg wrote: everyone please pick the kings. If you're right, then you're right. If you're wrong, then your hate will propel one of my teams (I'm a die hard fan of the Jets, Rangers, and Pirates) to the first title since I was able to comprehend what the hell that means. PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR HATE. No hate to give. Your team simply has no chance. Sorry, I was rooting against the Kings the whole way. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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L1ghtning
Sweden353 Posts
I couldn't care less about you disagreeing, seeing as you haven't even backed up your opinion. Leave the personal insults out of here. | ||
Jer99
Canada8159 Posts
On June 03 2014 11:05 oneofthem wrote: people have been underrating the rangers speed all post season and it's not going to stop until they win. in baseball you have something called Batting Average on Balls in Play, which is at least somewhat random. seems analogous to puck luck and whatnot factors affecting shot conversion % in hockey. rangers haven't been very good at converting scoring chances but that may change at any time. regular season stats, which is largely what people are judging the odds on, is compiled under a different intensity of play and probably won't matter that much here. it will not be a short series and i don't really see how one can be confident in the kings to blow the rangers out of the water. I feel as though the Kings have the best chances to conversion % out of all the teams, just watching them it feels like everytime they get the puck in front of the net is seems to go in. They really like to skate around the net and throw it in front, hoping someone is there to clap it in On June 04 2014 00:49 L1ghtning wrote: I couldn't care less about you disagreeing, seeing as you haven't even backed up your opinion. Leave the personal insults out of here. And you backed up your opinion how? The rangers have more skilled players individually, better skating, playmaking, stickhandling and so on. this is your own opinion; it doesn't back anything up.Here are some stats: - L.A. has 5 of the top 10 players in points, even though they only played 1 more game than the rangers. - L.A. has 6 players either equal to or above the highest point ranger player - L.A. has been getting 3.48 GPG compared to the 2.70 of NYR - PP for L.A. is 25.4%, and 13.6% for NYR. P.K. sits at 85.9% for NYR vs the 81.2% for L.A. - Quick has a save% of .906 and a G.A.A. of 2.86 vs the Lundqvist save% of .928 and G.A.A. of 2.03 Seems to me like L.A. has many more advantages going into this series over the rangers. The only category that the rangers edge out L.A. is in the goaltending departement. I'm saying the Kings in 5 | ||
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
While the speed of the Rangers is definitely a plus, the Kings have plenty of speed across all lines. It is interesting to see though that the two teams in the finals are 1. The best shot-differential team of the past few years, who has made three straight conference finals and could win 2 Cups in those years. 2. A coach in Vigneault who uses matchup and usage data as a main factor in his game plan. People who still have not accepted that shot differential (Shots/Corse/Fenwick) and usage (where you start, who you play against/who you play with) are basic stats need to get on board. | ||
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L1ghtning
Sweden353 Posts
On June 04 2014 02:37 Jer99 wrote: I feel as though the Kings have the best chances to conversion % out of all the teams, just watching them it feels like everytime they get the puck in front of the net is seems to go in. They really like to skate around the net and throw it in front, hoping someone is there to clap it in It doesn't take a genius to realize that LA have the best conversion % out of all teams, but they owe it a lot to their opponents being crappy defensively. LA have never been this efficient in the regular season or in the playoffs, and neither have any of the other teams in the modern era. The Rangers D is one of the best in the league, and they will not give them as much space as they've had against the western teams. And you backed up your opinion how? I have only said that the Rangers have more skilled players than LA. Someone disagreed. I responding by explaining how I think they're more skilled, things like skating. I can't prove that this is the case. It would be impossible to scientifically prove that a group of players is more skilled than another group of players, but if you look at things like puck possession, it says a lot about how skilled the players are, and puck possession has been a strength of the rangers in this playoffs, and a weakness for LA. LA have had tougher opponents, which without a doubt have contributed, but I would still give the Rangers the edge here. Here are some stats: - L.A. has 5 of the top 10 players in points, even though they only played 1 more game than the rangers. - L.A. has 6 players either equal to or above the highest point ranger player - L.A. has been getting 3.48 GPG compared to the 2.70 of NYR - PP for L.A. is 25.4%, and 13.6% for NYR. P.K. sits at 85.9% for NYR vs the 81.2% for L.A. - Quick has a save% of .906 and a G.A.A. of 2.86 vs the Lundqvist save% of .928 and G.A.A. of 2.03 Seems to me like L.A. has many more advantages going into this series over the rangers. The only category that the rangers edge out L.A. is in the goaltending departement. I'm saying the Kings in 5 Why are you making this into a team production comparison? I never claimed that the Rangers were the better team or that they would win. In fact I have claimed the opposite. What I've said in favour of NYR is that they have more individual skill, and that they most likely will have the puck possession advantage. But this is just a part of it. And looking at those figures, NYR have the advantage in terms of Goals - Goals Against, and they have one advantage each in PP/PK, so I can't see how you can make the claim that LA has more advantages, based on those stats. Either way, it's silly to compare the teams based on these stats since they haven't been facing the same opposition. If you look at 82 games against more or less the same opponents then you could make somewhat valid analyzes. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32106 Posts
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Flaccid
8862 Posts
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dont-give-the-stanley-cup-to-the-kings-just-yet/ Except it isn’t that simple, and not just because hockey is a sport disproportionately fueled by luck. The Rangers have a case to make — even on paper. The stats give them a real shot. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32106 Posts
On June 04 2014 03:58 sharkeyanti wrote: 1. The best shot-differential team of the past few years, who has made three straight conference finals and could win 2 Cups in those years. 2. A coach in Vigneault who uses matchup and usage data as a main factor in his game plan. People who still have not accepted that shot differential (Shots/Corse/Fenwick) and usage (where you start, who you play against/who you play with) are basic stats need to get on board. GET OUT WITH YOUR SORCERY but yeah, as flaccid pointed out, I think this series will be much closer than people are predicting. two really similar teams, both pretty darn good at puck possession | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On June 03 2014 17:19 oneofthem wrote: le kings went 7 games against everybody would be a huge surprise to see them take it in a short one sharks > Rangers Ducks >>> Rangers Hawks >>>>>>>>Rangers But you are right, if NY has any chance it is because the Kings have played loooots of spring hockey recently ( 60 playoff games in the last 3 seasons ) To the guy who thinks NY has less skill than LA : LA's top 6 is much stronger, they have the best d-man in the series by miles and guys like Richards, St-Louis and Nash are either past their prime or will never get there ( Nash ). Add to that the fact that the Kings are MUCH faster and play MUCH tougher than any other team NY has faced this spring. It would be cool if the Rangers could make it close because more/better hockey is always good. Just dont set your hopes to high. But if I was a Rangers fan I think I would be more obnoxious than something like 10 JJR accounts. You guys made it there, you might not lift the precious but you still have some bragging rights for about 10 days!! | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32106 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On the other hand, the first 10 minutes of the game might be rough for them. Theyll probably be a bit rusty. edit: I also loved Flower's comments today when he totally dickstomped Pacioretty and Vanek saying they were regular season guys and that you cant win with guys like that. The legend himself shits on their best sniper I lllllove it! | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 04 2014 00:49 L1ghtning wrote: I couldn't care less about you disagreeing, seeing as you haven't even backed up your opinion. Leave the personal insults out of here. Are you trying to say you did? You generalized and you are entitled to having an opinion even if it's a ridiculous one. Here's the thing, many people wouldn't agree with what you said at all. The only argument one could possibly make is goaltending and please tell us in the blue hell you think the Rangers have more individual skill. I want a good laugh. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32106 Posts
On June 05 2014 06:45 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: it will have a positive impact for sure. On the other hand, the first 10 minutes of the game might be rough for them. Theyll probably be a bit rusty. edit: I also loved Flower's comments today when he totally dickstomped Pacioretty and Vanek saying they were regular season guys and that you cant win with guys like that. The legend himself shits on their best sniper I lllllove it! Yeah I read about that. That was silly to say the least. Pax is far and away their best forward, and he's not some floaty offense only dude. Vanek is a diff story perhaps, but i thought that was way off base with patches. he wasnt invisible. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On June 05 2014 08:03 QuanticHawk wrote: Yeah I read about that. That was silly to say the least. Pax is far and away their best forward, and he's not some floaty offense only dude. Vanek is a diff story perhaps, but i thought that was way off base with patches. he wasnt invisible. I know but Lafleur is still some kind of hockey god and he always has something juicy to say whenever they put a mike under his nose. So reporters do it. But he is a really classy guy. | ||
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L1ghtning
Sweden353 Posts
On June 05 2014 07:14 StarStruck wrote: Are you trying to say you did? You generalized and you are entitled to having an opinion even if it's a ridiculous one. Here's the thing, many people wouldn't agree with what you said at all. The only argument one could possibly make is goaltending What it all boils down to is that you didn't have anything to add to the discussion, and still found it justified to hand out insults. I can tolerate a fair amount of harsh language, but I don't tolerate personal attacks, especially not from someone who adds nothing to a discussion. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14075 Posts
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
But LA is a really likable team and they've shown such adversity in all their games that it's hard not to root for them. I mean, they came back from 3-0 to beat the Sharks, down 3-2 to beat the Ducks and then beat the Blackhawks, former SC champions, only to lose to the NY Rangers? lol. I wouldn't count NY out, though. Besides goaltending, I think they're definitely the more hungrier of the two teams for SC given that they haven't won one yet and they have players like Nash and Lundquist that are only missing that from their resumes. The only thing preventing me from fully rooting for NY over LA is the whole Martin St. Louis fiasco because I really don't like seeing whiny bitches get rewarded and I don't want it to set a precedence for other players in the future... Hoping this series goes the whole way and is not as lopsided as predicted! | ||
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