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On June 12 2013 20:40 cloneThorN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 20:34 xM(Z wrote:
i'm 50/50 about this but then again i would keep everyone under 18yrs (yes i know its arbitrary but it's the number used by russians) in the dark about everything related to sexuality. i feel bad for westerners trying to make sex at 13 legal.
besides, the church assumes you're not having sex until you get married anyway so there is plenty of time to learn about it after 18.
it is discrimination but i don't know why, telling a preteen that he is gay, is always the right call. it may help him but it also may screw him over. You DO realize, that whatever you want it or not, most humans begins to f!ck like rabbits around the age of 16 years, right? If no one teaches them about sex before that time, they are gonna be vulnarable to STD's. Teaching about sex is done because it's necessary for the childrens well being, not because we want to f!ck them.
sex at an early age is facilitated by society via information and ... gadgets.
did your (grand)grandparents start having sex ~16?.
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On June 12 2013 20:47 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 20:40 cloneThorN wrote:On June 12 2013 20:34 xM(Z wrote:
i'm 50/50 about this but then again i would keep everyone under 18yrs (yes i know its arbitrary but it's the number used by russians) in the dark about everything related to sexuality. i feel bad for westerners trying to make sex at 13 legal.
besides, the church assumes you're not having sex until you get married anyway so there is plenty of time to learn about it after 18.
it is discrimination but i don't know why, telling a preteen that he is gay, is always the right call. it may help him but it also may screw him over. You DO realize, that whatever you want it or not, most humans begins to f!ck like rabbits around the age of 16 years, right? If no one teaches them about sex before that time, they are gonna be vulnarable to STD's. Teaching about sex is done because it's necessary for the childrens well being, not because we want to f!ck them. sex at an early age is facilitated by society via information and ... gadgets. did your (grand)grandparents start having sex ~16?.
Probably, mine were married by 18.
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On June 12 2013 20:47 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 20:40 cloneThorN wrote:On June 12 2013 20:34 xM(Z wrote:
i'm 50/50 about this but then again i would keep everyone under 18yrs (yes i know its arbitrary but it's the number used by russians) in the dark about everything related to sexuality. i feel bad for westerners trying to make sex at 13 legal.
besides, the church assumes you're not having sex until you get married anyway so there is plenty of time to learn about it after 18.
it is discrimination but i don't know why, telling a preteen that he is gay, is always the right call. it may help him but it also may screw him over. You DO realize, that whatever you want it or not, most humans begins to f!ck like rabbits around the age of 16 years, right? If no one teaches them about sex before that time, they are gonna be vulnarable to STD's. Teaching about sex is done because it's necessary for the childrens well being, not because we want to f!ck them. sex at an early age is facilitated by society via information and ... gadgets. did your (grand)grandparents start having sex ~16?.
Probably. The idea the people shouldn't have sex until they're an 'adult' is a very new idea. For the vast majority of history people were getting married and having kids soon after puberty.
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You'd be surprised. People in the 30s and 40s married before they were in their 20s
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On June 12 2013 20:42 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 20:36 Go0g3n wrote:
Couldn't find much about it in the russian media, read it first here. I for one am for equal rights, however I do think that being gay is some sort of genetic disorder or whatever.
Until i find the copy of the law (which should be digitally published), I wouldn't believe BBC on this one, Russians aren't that stupid, although I met a number of anti-gay "thinkers". Since you bothered to answer, is the speech about minorities true (that Putin gave, I think)? Meaning the one where it was stated that there will be no secondary language in Russia and everyone who lives there will learn Russian or can feel free to GTFO? Apparently it was met with standing ovations. I'm just curious if the war against minorities of any kind is as severe as the media makes it out to be.
It is also a requirement for any immigrants moving to France that they MUST learn French. How can you exist in a society where you will often not be understood if you don't speak the language? You don't have to ONLY speak French, but you must be able to interact in society. And france is quite socialist about most issues, this is one I understand. Its silly for one or one hundred people to move to a country and expect the entire population to learn to speak to them, when it is they who chose to come to a new country. that said they do provide free classes to those who need it.
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On June 12 2013 20:48 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 20:47 xM(Z wrote:On June 12 2013 20:40 cloneThorN wrote:On June 12 2013 20:34 xM(Z wrote:
i'm 50/50 about this but then again i would keep everyone under 18yrs (yes i know its arbitrary but it's the number used by russians) in the dark about everything related to sexuality. i feel bad for westerners trying to make sex at 13 legal.
besides, the church assumes you're not having sex until you get married anyway so there is plenty of time to learn about it after 18.
it is discrimination but i don't know why, telling a preteen that he is gay, is always the right call. it may help him but it also may screw him over. You DO realize, that whatever you want it or not, most humans begins to f!ck like rabbits around the age of 16 years, right? If no one teaches them about sex before that time, they are gonna be vulnarable to STD's. Teaching about sex is done because it's necessary for the childrens well being, not because we want to f!ck them. sex at an early age is facilitated by society via information and ... gadgets. did your (grand)grandparents start having sex ~16?. Probably, mine were married by 18.
but then, church approves! and marriage makes STD sharing a 1 on 1 afair
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On June 12 2013 20:37 Christ the Redeemer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 20:27 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Nevermind, your name is Christ the Redeemer... -_- This is the bias I am talking about. FYI, Christ the Redeemer is a landmark in my country! For you not to even recognize that speaks volumes about your cultural ignorance. I have no problem if a person supports Satanism, unicorns, socialism, orthodox catholicism, believing in Catholic miracles, doing pagan rituals, whatever, but I have a problem when people are immediately disadvantaged in a discussion. The framing of this OP immediately puts the orthodox catholics at a disadvantage.
Do you realize that by allowing someone to support intolerance you become a hypocrite to what you are saying? The problem with allowing someone to support an intolerant agenda is that they then censor, among other things, the group they are intolerant against.
There is no "middle ground" where the hateful/intolerant and the tolerant can coexist. The hateful/intolerant actively seek to destroy the other group.
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On June 12 2013 20:45 Friedrich Nietzsche wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 20:37 Christ the Redeemer wrote:On June 12 2013 20:27 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Nevermind, your name is Christ the Redeemer... -_- This is the bias I am talking about. FYI, Christ the Redeemer is a landmark in my country! For you not to even recognize that speaks volumes about your cultural ignorance. I have no problem if a person supports Satanism, unicorns, socialism, orthodox catholicism, believing in Catholic miracles, doing pagan rituals, whatever, but I have a problem when people are immediately disadvantaged in a discussion. The framing of this OP immediately puts the orthodox catholics at a disadvantage. There are hundreds of years worth of discourse on this, and it is all under the bridge. Done. No further discussion necessary. Discriminating people because of their race, creed, and gender is morally indefensible. Society has grown much since the Inquisition, and we have become a more tolerant society. To even start to argue about religious justification of bigotry is worthy of hell, it's a shame it does not exist. Do your research, you have the power to liberate yourself from ignorance.
So far in this thread, there are 2 Russians, and they are both in favor of the law, Can we at least listen to them
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On June 12 2013 20:51 Christ the Redeemer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 20:45 Friedrich Nietzsche wrote:On June 12 2013 20:37 Christ the Redeemer wrote:On June 12 2013 20:27 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Nevermind, your name is Christ the Redeemer... -_- This is the bias I am talking about. FYI, Christ the Redeemer is a landmark in my country! For you not to even recognize that speaks volumes about your cultural ignorance. I have no problem if a person supports Satanism, unicorns, socialism, orthodox catholicism, believing in Catholic miracles, doing pagan rituals, whatever, but I have a problem when people are immediately disadvantaged in a discussion. The framing of this OP immediately puts the orthodox catholics at a disadvantage. There are hundreds of years worth of discourse on this, and it is all under the bridge. Done. No further discussion necessary. Discriminating people because of their race, creed, and gender is morally indefensible. Society has grown much since the Inquisition, and we have become a more tolerant society. To even start to argue about religious justification of bigotry is worthy of hell, it's a shame it does not exist. Do your research, you have the power to liberate yourself from ignorance. So far in this thread, there are 2 Russians, and they are both in favor of the law, Can we at least listen to them
1 russian said he is not.
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On June 12 2013 20:37 Christ the Redeemer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 20:27 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Nevermind, your name is Christ the Redeemer... -_- This is the bias I am talking about. FYI, Christ the Redeemer is a landmark in my country! For you not to even recognize that speaks volumes about your cultural ignorance. I have no problem if a person supports Satanism, unicorns, socialism, orthodox catholicism, believing in Catholic miracles, doing pagan rituals, whatever, but I have a problem when people are immediately disadvantaged in a discussion. The framing of this OP immediately puts the orthodox catholics at a disadvantage.
I am aware of the statue you're referring to. I'm also aware that you do nothing but bring religious debate into every single thread you post in, that this fact has gotten you banned already (why not permanently, I can only wonder) and you still do it to this very day. The reason you are disadvantaged in this discussion is not only the fact that you see any amount of good in persecution (ironically, while crying that you're being persecuted in this thread) but also your past conduct on these forums.
There have also been numerous comprehensive discussion that explored every facet and every aspect of such issues. This thread is not for religious debate. Go to a place that allows that, if that's what you're looking for. Or read up on our own closed threads.
There is no reason to allow whatever irrational justification you might find in the act of arbitrary persecution, because there isn't a thing that justifies it.
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On June 12 2013 20:41 Christ the Redeemer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 20:36 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 12 2013 20:32 Christ the Redeemer wrote:On June 12 2013 20:29 S:klogW wrote:On June 12 2013 20:26 Christ the Redeemer wrote:
I was under the impression that neutrality and objectivity is important. But reading the op, it is obvious which side of the issue it already stands, thereby affecting the discussion. What about those who favor this law? OPs like this discourage a healthy discussion because they already manipulate the discussion to go on a specific way. But who would argue that being anti-gay is a good thing? I am not saying that being anti-gay is good. You can have good or bad opinion on the issue, but what is important is that you are allowed to argue it with a good amount of freedom. In the case of this OP, it is already clear that he does not want to hear what the religious conservative opinion on the matter is, and thus all comment lead to the same direction, calling the law retarded. Is it really a matter of opinion? Because as far as I know, arbitrary persecution is nothing but detrimental to both the targeted group and society as a whole. There is no "good" side to it. See, you do not even want to listen to the opposing argument anymore.
Instead of complaining about the OP, just tell us your argument of why this law is so good, useful and fair !
yes, you should try not to be biased when making a thread, but sometime it is simply not possible. "Yesterday a man killed 27 babies with a chainsaw and then ate all of them. WAIT let me try to find a reason why he was right in doing that so I don't appear biased when telling the story to my friends !"
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On June 12 2013 20:47 Zeo wrote:
How is this anti-gay? All its doing is having kids find out about homosexuality when they are mature enough to make a conscious decision regarding it.
1st and most important one: I denies teaching. Let's say 15 year old son is attracted to a boy in his class. He will have no idea why, and will think something is wrong with him, because no one have ever taught him on the subject. And even if he tries to seek help with either his parents or authority figures, they are not allowed to tell him about it.
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Its unbelievable how cruel and retarded a lot of people are. Makes me feel like we are still in the dark ages tbh.
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On June 12 2013 20:43 AxUU wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 20:42 CubEdIn wrote:On June 12 2013 20:36 Go0g3n wrote:
Couldn't find much about it in the russian media, read it first here. I for one am for equal rights, however I do think that being gay is some sort of genetic disorder or whatever.
Until i find the copy of the law (which should be digitally published), I wouldn't believe BBC on this one, Russians aren't that stupid, although I met a number of anti-gay "thinkers". Since you bothered to answer, is the speech about minorities true (that Putin gave, I think)? Meaning the one where it was stated that there will be no secondary language in Russia and everyone who lives there will learn Russian or can feel free to GTFO? Apparently it was met with standing ovations. I'm just curious if the war against minorities of any kind is as severe as the media makes it out to be. It's not war against minorities. It's being equal with the native population.
What do you mean? Yes, it's not a war because they're not forcing anyone to stay in Russia, but if you're not allowed to teach your child about sexuality it's pretty clear that there is a strong bias against homosexuality, which is also a minority. You can't force a gay person to be "equal" with the rest.
Not saying that I agree with different "official" languages in the same country, if they choose to keep it at one that's fine, I was just curious on how accurate the media depicts these events.
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On June 12 2013 20:02 cloneThorN wrote:
The stupidity of this law aside, how are they ever gonna uphold this law?
Let's say i live in Russia, and i explain what homosexuality is to my 10 year old son, because he heard the word in school...
1. What are they gonna do about it? If the teachers reported it, i could just say a stranger told him.
2. What are they gonna do about it, if my son starts to explain his fellow classmates and friends about it? Are they gonna fine a bunch of kids for something they don't understand at all, and will have no clue is even forbidden?(teachers can't mention homosexuality, so they won't know it's a crime).
They are going to ask CIA to give them all their online records on your and your son and find something to pin on you :D
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On June 12 2013 20:50 DonKey_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 20:37 Christ the Redeemer wrote:On June 12 2013 20:27 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Nevermind, your name is Christ the Redeemer... -_- This is the bias I am talking about. FYI, Christ the Redeemer is a landmark in my country! For you not to even recognize that speaks volumes about your cultural ignorance. I have no problem if a person supports Satanism, unicorns, socialism, orthodox catholicism, believing in Catholic miracles, doing pagan rituals, whatever, but I have a problem when people are immediately disadvantaged in a discussion. The framing of this OP immediately puts the orthodox catholics at a disadvantage. Do you realize that by allowing someone to support intolerance you become a hypocrite to what you are saying? The problem with allowing someone to support an intolerant agenda is that they then censor, among other things, the group they are intolerant against. There is no "middle ground" where the hateful/intolerant and the tolerant can coexist. The hateful/intolerant actively seek to destroy the other group.
The tolerant can tolerate the other. While the intolerant does not allow the other to even express its opinion. The discussion here except for the two Russians is intolerant of opposing views.
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On June 12 2013 20:49 HotShizz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 20:42 CubEdIn wrote:On June 12 2013 20:36 Go0g3n wrote:
Couldn't find much about it in the russian media, read it first here. I for one am for equal rights, however I do think that being gay is some sort of genetic disorder or whatever.
Until i find the copy of the law (which should be digitally published), I wouldn't believe BBC on this one, Russians aren't that stupid, although I met a number of anti-gay "thinkers". Since you bothered to answer, is the speech about minorities true (that Putin gave, I think)? Meaning the one where it was stated that there will be no secondary language in Russia and everyone who lives there will learn Russian or can feel free to GTFO? Apparently it was met with standing ovations. I'm just curious if the war against minorities of any kind is as severe as the media makes it out to be. It is also a requirement for any immigrants moving to France that they MUST learn French. How can you exist in a society where you will often not be understood if you don't speak the language? You don't have to ONLY speak French, but you must be able to interact in society. And france is quite socialist about most issues, this is one I understand. Its silly for one or one hundred people to move to a country and expect the entire population to learn to speak to them, when it is they who chose to come to a new country. that said they do provide free classes to those who need it.
You do realize it's not about immigrants, right? Russia is about 80% russians, the rest are minorities that live in the same place they always have, in territories that have been annexed by Russia earlier in history.
Not surprised at all at this law, Russia is socially backwards, and Putin uses every trick in the populist handbook to remain in power.
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What if...
I'm playing 1v1 ladder on EU server and I get cheesed by a russian player.
I get really angry and unleash my frustration via the chat and call him a bastard child.
In my rage episode, I let slip that he's probably gay for trying such a strategy in 1 v 1 (even tho it has no relation).
What is the Russian governement gonna do about the internet kids like me?!
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On June 12 2013 20:56 ezk wrote:
What if...
I'm playing 1v1 ladder on EU server and I get cheesed by a russian player.
I get really angry and unleash my frustration via the chat and call him a bastard child.
In my rage episode, I let slip that he's probably gay for trying such a strategy in 1 v 1 (even tho it has no relation).
What is the Russian governement gonna do about the internet kids like me?!
Invade Canada obviously.
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On June 12 2013 20:56 ezk wrote:
What if...
I'm playing 1v1 ladder on EU server and I get cheesed by a russian player.
I get really angry and unleash my frustration via the chat and call him a bastard child.
In my rage episode, I let slip that he's probably gay for trying such a strategy in 1 v 1 (even tho it has no relation).
What is the Russian governement gonna do about the internet kids like me?!
They are going to kill the russian kid... He knows too much !
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