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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
On June 12 2013 20:28 S:klogW wrote: I for one admire your bravery in posting this! Bravery through posting something as that anonymously on the Internet? I can't seem to see the bravery coming through. Just an act of ignorance. | ||
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cloneThorN
Denmark302 Posts
On June 12 2013 20:25 Ropid wrote: If you want to start comparing with Hitler... you don't have to rope Jews into this. Gays were persecuted in the Third Reich and died in concentrations camps during the Third Reich. Iknow, i just used the most commonly know group the nazi's persecuted(incase the other guy didn't know they did it) | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On June 12 2013 20:28 NeThZOR wrote: Doesn't this put Russia even further behind the rest of the world? What is so shocking to me is that none of the members of parliament stood up against this law being passed. An unanimous vote of 436 is astounding. Do Russians hate homosexuality so much because of their orthodox beliefs? I wonder. I doubt it has to do with their orthodox beliefs as you put it, since Romania is primarily orthodox christian as well, yet people don't really give a damn about whether or not someone is homosexual, except for maybe backwards rural areas (the same kind of areas that shelter hateful rednecks in the USA). I'd wager it has more to do with who these parliament members are and who is really pulling the strings on this. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On June 12 2013 20:30 NeThZOR wrote: Bravery through posting something as that anonymously on the Internet? I can't seem to see the bravery coming through. Just an act of ignorance. He's brave to stand up to all the E-HATE, obviously. | ||
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Christ the Redeemer
Brazil161 Posts
On June 12 2013 20:29 S:klogW wrote: But who would argue that being anti-gay is a good thing? I am not saying that being anti-gay is good. You can have good or bad opinion on the issue, but what is important is that you are allowed to argue it with a good amount of freedom. In the case of this OP, it is already clear that he does not want to hear what the religious conservative opinion on the matter is, and thus all comment lead to the same direction, calling the law retarded. | ||
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cloneThorN
Denmark302 Posts
On June 12 2013 20:26 Christ the Redeemer wrote: I was under the impression that neutrality and objectivity is important. But reading the op, it is obvious which side of the issue it already stands, thereby affecting the discussion. What about those who favor this law? OPs like this discourage a healthy discussion because they already manipulate the discussion to go on a specific way. I'm gonna go out on a limp here, but i think it's not healthy for anyone except for oppressors to disscus the "benefits" of oppression. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5296 Posts
besides, the church assumes you're not having sex until you get married anyway so there is plenty of time to learn about it after 18. it is discrimination but i don't know why, telling a preteen that he is gay, is always the right call. it may help him but it also may screw him over. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On June 12 2013 20:32 Christ the Redeemer wrote: I am not saying that being anti-gay is good. You can have good or bad opinion on the issue, but what is important is that you are allowed to argue it with a good amount of freedom. In the case of this OP, it is already clear that he does not want to hear what the religious conservative opinion on the matter is, and thus all comment lead to the same direction, calling the law retarded. Is it really a matter of opinion? Because as far as I know, arbitrary persecution is nothing but detrimental to both the targeted group and society as a whole. There is no "good" side to it. | ||
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Go0g3n
Russian Federation410 Posts
Until i find the copy of the law (which should be digitally published), I wouldn't believe BBC on this one, Russians aren't that stupid, although I met a number of anti-gay "thinkers". | ||
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Christ the Redeemer
Brazil161 Posts
On June 12 2013 20:27 MasterOfPuppets wrote: Nevermind, your name is Christ the Redeemer... -_- This is the bias I am talking about. FYI, Christ the Redeemer is a landmark in my country! For you not to even recognize that speaks volumes about your cultural ignorance. I have no problem if a person supports Satanism, unicorns, socialism, orthodox catholicism, believing in Catholic miracles, doing pagan rituals, whatever, but I have a problem when people are immediately disadvantaged in a discussion. The framing of this OP immediately puts the orthodox catholics at a disadvantage. | ||
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Friedrich Nietzsche
Germany171 Posts
On June 12 2013 20:32 Deleuze wrote: Can't we all just get along - is that so much to ask? It is. Have you not read Deleuze? | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4028 Posts
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cloneThorN
Denmark302 Posts
On June 12 2013 20:34 xM(Z wrote: i'm 50/50 about this but then again i would keep everyone under 18yrs (yes i know its arbitrary but it's the number used by russians) in the dark about everything related to sexuality. i feel bad for westerners trying to make sex at 13 legal. besides, the church assumes you're not having sex until you get married anyway so there is plenty of time to learn about it after 18. it is discrimination but i don't know why, telling a preteen that he is gay, is always the right call. it may help him but it also may screw him over. You DO realize, that whatever you want it or not, most humans begins to f!ck like rabbits around the age of 16 years, right? If no one teaches them about sex before that time, they are gonna be vulnarable to STD's. Teaching about sex is done because it's necessary for the childrens well being, not because we want to f!ck them. | ||
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Christ the Redeemer
Brazil161 Posts
On June 12 2013 20:36 MasterOfPuppets wrote: Is it really a matter of opinion? Because as far as I know, arbitrary persecution is nothing but detrimental to both the targeted group and society as a whole. There is no "good" side to it. See, you do not even want to listen to the opposing argument anymore. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On June 12 2013 20:36 Go0g3n wrote: Couldn't find much about it in the russian media, read it first here. I for one am for equal rights, however I do think that being gay is some sort of genetic disorder or whatever. Until i find the copy of the law (which should be digitally published), I wouldn't believe BBC on this one, Russians aren't that stupid, although I met a number of anti-gay "thinkers". Since you bothered to answer, is the speech about minorities true (that Putin gave, I think)? Meaning the one where it was stated that there will be no secondary language in Russia and everyone who lives there will learn Russian or can feel free to GTFO? Apparently it was met with standing ovations. I'm just curious if the war against minorities of any kind is as severe as the media makes it out to be. | ||
AxUU
Finland162 Posts
On June 12 2013 20:42 CubEdIn wrote: Since you bothered to answer, is the speech about minorities true (that Putin gave, I think)? Meaning the one where it was stated that there will be no secondary language in Russia and everyone who lives there will learn Russian or can feel free to GTFO? Apparently it was met with standing ovations. I'm just curious if the war against minorities of any kind is as severe as the media makes it out to be. It's not war against minorities. It's being equal with the native population. | ||
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Friedrich Nietzsche
Germany171 Posts
On June 12 2013 20:37 Christ the Redeemer wrote: This is the bias I am talking about. FYI, Christ the Redeemer is a landmark in my country! For you not to even recognize that speaks volumes about your cultural ignorance. I have no problem if a person supports Satanism, unicorns, socialism, orthodox catholicism, believing in Catholic miracles, doing pagan rituals, whatever, but I have a problem when people are immediately disadvantaged in a discussion. The framing of this OP immediately puts the orthodox catholics at a disadvantage. There are hundreds of years worth of discourse on this, and it is all under the bridge. Done. No further discussion necessary. Discriminating people because of their race, creed, and gender is morally indefensible. Society has grown much since the Inquisition, and we have become a more tolerant society. To even start to argue about religious justification of bigotry is worthy of hell, it's a shame it does not exist. Do your research, you have the power to liberate yourself from ignorance. | ||
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cloneThorN
Denmark302 Posts
On June 12 2013 20:41 Christ the Redeemer wrote: See, you do not even want to listen to the opposing argument anymore. Go ahead. Find a single reason, or more if you want, for persecuting homosexuals, that outweighs the inhumane treatment of said homosexuals. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6319 Posts
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