Russia: telling kids about gay is criminal - Page 22

On June 13 2013 00:05 SirStiggy wrote:
Today is my 32nd birthday, and the first time I've ever been embarrassed about a thread on TL. I have been a reader for years, (jaedong fighting) but I don't really post on here, because I always feel like I have missed the boat, and don't have time to read the 15 pages of posts and spot where someone smarter than me already posted my point on a topic. Generally, I brag about the readers and posters of this website to my non-video gaming friends. The intelligence it takes to get out of silver sort of implies that you are smarter than most people who walk around this earth, and yet far too many posts in this thread seem to be missing the point about this law.

I don't know much about Russia, but to me, this is about information and education. Is it illegal to inform children about the existence of bears? Is it illegal to inform children about the existence of Jesus? Whether you think being gay is wrong or not, whether you think it's a mental defect, or a choice only an adult can make, whether or not you want them prancing about next to your coffee shop, they exist, and frankly, throwing eggs at them is enough to prove they exist. If they chose this sinful lifestyle, or are subject to mother nature's attempt to thin the population, or are just real life trolls who want to defile the sanctity of marriage or even humanity, it is still hard to argue that they exist. To deny children the information about what exists is far more appalling than any ignorant person's opinion or belief.

I can argue about the existence of Jesus, and of Heaven and Hell, because there is very little evidence of any of it. It is impossible to argue that people who believe in this stuff exist, because they are flesh and blood human beings breathing the same air that I breathe. Are there other precedents of Russia suppressing any other reality based information like this? To attempt to put an entire generation into denial reminds me that there must be some country that tries to deny that the German Holocaust ever happened. A lot of time and money is spent in this country to inform children about "stranger danger," to address a small percentage of adults that want to kidnap and or molest small children. I would argue that this is in many ways a waste of money, but it is impossible for me to put myself into denial about the existence of dangerous strangers. At what age is it appropriate for a child to learn that unicorns or dragons don't exist? At what age is it appropriate for children to learn that poisonous berries exist? I venture to say that I would be less appalled if Russia passed a law to actively inform children that homosexuality is a terrible sin or a blight on society, because at least it doesn't require, by law, that you lie to children when they ask very innocent questions.

On June 13 2013 00:07 MasterOfPuppets wrote:


And yet I'm the one who posts ad hominems, right?



Just FYI, I bear disdain for all churches equally.

On June 13 2013 00:01 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I'm just going to stop posting guys, didn't think I'd get this much hate.

I never said I believe all I said, I was offering a different perspective, and just some food for thought, because just as some people look at gay's as "sub humans", you guys look at anti-gays as "sub humans", when you aren't understanding their logic. I was trying to get into their shoes and find their arguments and perspectives, and MANY of the posts just tried and argue my point by not even pointing out flaws in my logic, instead, calling my a sociopath, loling, etc.

So whatever, that's what you get when you try and provoke some thoughts.

On June 13 2013 00:08 Synapze wrote:
All marriage should be banned because its a stupid religious tradition thats unnatural. Why do people become militant athiests these days and yet still want to get married.. mind blowing.

You don't need a ring and a priest to make your love official, gay people should be fighting for marriage to be removed from law, not for marriage to be allowed by gay/lesbians.

On June 13 2013 00:06 ZeRoX-45 wrote:


English wannabe who hates Orthodox church. I am sick of you people.

On June 12 2013 23:57 cloneThorN wrote:


<-- White Hetrosexual male posting here, from Denmark.

The reason why i personally wants these things, is because i know that our current life is our only time of existance.

1 - I want equal rights for women, because i love my mother, i love my female friends, and i understand the fact, that women are usefull for society.

2 - I know what freedom truely means, so that is why i want to share it with everyone. The thing i hate most in this world, is people who think they own other people. If i could, i would personally beat the shit out of anyone who thinks they own others. Be they kings or gods.

3 - Because we have more than enough rescources atm. As long as we can make them self-sustaning in the long run, theres no reason at all to not help them(unless they don't want help).

4 - The only reason i want liberation of the middle east, is because i see religion as humanity's cancer. It's for our best to remove any influence i t have on society. People can still have personal belives and religions, however religion should have no political or social power at all.

5 - Because theres no difference between me and them except or taste in mates. I honstly don't even know why i should concern myself over someones sexuality. What defines a person, is the actions they take, and people like the man throwing eggs on the picture in the OP, is a person i would beat to a bloody pulp.

6 - Why the fuck would you go around randomly hurting/killing living things? Say we are talking about a bear. As long as it is not trying to eat me, and i don't want it eat, then i have no reason to torment it.

7 - Because it's not their fault how they where born. If you can't understand that, i seriously think you should go to a mental hospital, because you completely lack empathy. Imagin your that you break your back from falling, and you get paralyzed from the waist and down. Should we just let you die? Imagin if it was your mother, or your father, or your wife.

On June 13 2013 00:12 FiWiFaKi wrote:


Well is that what's best for society? Depends what you consider society as most decisions benefit one party, and negative impact the other. The gay oppression is just very hard to do because it's a 10%~ or so population you are oppressing, and because people have friends that are gay etc, they support it.

But take a look at homelessness, they are still very disregarded by very many people, and in my city, First Nation's living on the reserves are also oppressed, and poorly treated by society (Because they are a very small percentage).

In Calgary, pretty much the only group really supporting the First Natives is the government, and that pisses most citizen off, because lots of tax dollars go to them, when the general population here thinks they do anything useful and it's just a waste of money.

So it's really hard to say whether everyone SHOULD be equal, because usually that means its a detriment to other people that they aren't happy about, and that's why you still see oppression regardless of where you live. Usually the business owners have less of the humane traits, and economically are higher up, and therefore I'm saying compassion is a double edged sword; has it's positives and negatives.

To me it seems we are giving equal rights only to people that improve the common good(or help society).

On June 12 2013 19:42 Friedrich Nietzsche wrote:
The bill's co-author, Yelena Mizulina, is head of the Duma's Committee for Family, Women, and Children. She says the idea is to protect Russian children from information that rejects "traditional family values."

On June 13 2013 00:11 ZeRoX-45 wrote:


We weren't really arguing right now, I just insulted you for trying to be something you are not

On June 13 2013 00:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:


Uhh... what?

I don't see how being Eastern European and being cultured and educated are mutually exclusive, but then again with people like you around it's hard to tell.

On June 13 2013 00:09 Klondikebar wrote:


I said it's highly unlikely that you can be a bigot in one way and not any other way. I bet if you poked at your friend you'd fine she had some notions based on bigotry. And of course your logic is working fine for you, it always works just fine for bigots.