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On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them.
Compassion, I guess.
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On June 12 2013 23:37 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:36 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 12 2013 23:35 packrat386 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them. I really REALLY hope this is sarcasm. Come to Romania!  I hear its nice but I probably won't be coming any time soon :/
Romania is beautiful, you should visit
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wow are we with the biblical boyscouts here?
no but srsly this is rly messed up :/
i just cant get myself to understand why people would do sth like this :'(
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they prob did this so they can squeeze people for bribes and what not.
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On June 12 2013 23:45 Silvanel wrote:
I am not talking about neonazis lol. I am talking about young highly liberal , well educated people with good jobs. I know a lot of such people who have nothing aginst other races, religions, national minorities, but are strongly against gay rights.
I can promise you, if they truly have nothing against other races, religions, or national minorities, they also have nothing against gay rights. If they have something against gay rights, then they aren't nearly as tolerant of other minorities as you're claiming. Bigotry isn't rational and it's never compartmentalized.
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On June 12 2013 23:48 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them. Compassion, I guess.
How far do we go before Individual Selfishness > Compassion?
Because in history we were always very Selfish it seems, and people saying "Compassion is a human trait" is only so true, I think we are really being educated to value compassion a lot, but it's interesting, because 100 years ago this would be agreed upon by almost all people...
And it's not like, those people weren't "human".
EDIT: Compassionate people are usually easier to control, less outspoken, more peaceful... I think our society really tries to teach us in this way for the sole reason of us being easier to control, and make society more fluid. But it's always good to look at the other perspectives.
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On June 12 2013 23:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
It has nothing to do with religion.
Russia's population is dying. The death rate is much much higher than the birth rate, and the exorbitant amount of death during the Eastern front of World War II is remembered constantly by especially the older generation, which forms a considerable part of the Duma.
The result of this is that Russia is desperate to stabilize its population. I haven't seen it personally but I believe there is a government stipend for having a child on June 12, Russia Day. The point of all of this is that some in the government really want people to increase the birth rate, almost making it a patriotic duty.
Putin went on CNN before and said he was publicly discouraging homosexuality in an effort to encourage all to reproduce and possibly increase Russia's population. This is just an extension of that belief. The Church may support it and conservatives may support it but this is the underlying cause for a lot of the support among middle aged and older Russians.
I originally lived in Moscow and visit there at least once a year, my mom especially likes discussing this issue when it's brought up.
So the 150 million population of Russia can not multiply because of a few hundred homosexuals.God damnit so thats the new excuse.A few gay people having sex in their bedrooms prevent 150 million russians form having sex.Where do homophobes come up with this stuff.Putin is a politician he needs the church to subdue the masses.But really homosexuals being responsible for depopulation.Thats a new one.
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On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them.
I'll begin my post by asking you. Do you feel that power justifies oppression of those who are "weaker" than you? I mean with the logic you are using here:
"If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out"
Why does the rich man tolerate the poor. Why doesn't he just enslave all of those who are more disadvantaged than himself.
I take it you are probably not a millionaire, so let's say hypothetically, a millionaire sees you on the street one day and suddenly starts beating you. Naturally you are confused and ask him "why are you beating me" and replies "shut up poor boy, I'm better than you, I can do what I want." Is that the type of world you are trying to advocate?
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On June 12 2013 23:39 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:33 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 23:29 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:27 DertoQq wrote:On June 12 2013 23:15 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:59 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:56 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:53 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:51 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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It's not their responsibility to change themselves for society or move away because they're not accepted. That line of thought is straight from the 13th century. It's society's job to accept people the way they are as long as they do no harm to others. And I don't know about anyone else but I don't feel especially harmed when I meet a homosexual person. Well, try to come here or Ukraine, Russia, Georgia on pride. Then you will understand what I am talking about. It's not 13th century it's different opinion. Just if westerners think gay is ok, it doesen't mean it actually is acceptable to everyone. Not everyone are same. Yeah, some people are racist or homophobic, what's your point? If 90% of people are homophobic, country can't protect pride. Neither gay people, ergo, parade would be more damaging than useful. That's my point. But it differs from west (and 90% of posters aren't from few named countries) and that's why I am fighting the wind here. Don't act or speak out against racism if you live in a racist country. Don't act or speak out against homophobia if you live in a homophobic country. Is that your message? It's a poor one. No, my message is that our countries aren't identical in every matter and you can't compare pride in London and pride here. It has nothing to do with your country, it has everything to do with YOU. If you started not to be homophobic like 90% of your people, it would be a big improvement already. And you know what the best thing is ? You don't even have to do anything about it ! Just stay in front of your computer screen and be like "hu? maybe I was wrong, gay people should also have rights !". And when the time comes and you have kids, tell them that. Enough people do that and you solved the homophobic problem in your country ! Actually I am doing it, I am just stating reasons behind this law. Society isnt ready for it and you cant force people to be gay friendly in a few years. About gay rights, I cant agree with all, as much as I couldnt agree if people who does sex with animals (which would be some kinda new topic but it's example) would want ALL the rights. So instead of forcing people to be gay friendly you go completely the other direction and encourage homophobia? Don't equate homosexuality with bestiality unless you want to discredit yourself even further than you already have. As someone who is pretty neutral on their opinion of gay... I can totally see that perspective. It is not natural (as it isn't way we were supposed to be born), just as bestiality is, however being gay is a lot more widespread of course. And I would say pedophilia is the same kind of disorder. THE DIFFERENCE is that being gay does not have negative impact on the rest of society, to me they are just generally annoying because they, like other people say, glorify being gay(I still think it's nothing to be proud of, but just accept the fact others are, and don't treat them poorly because of that), and just seem to have more "weird" values than the average person; by society standards anyway.
Awesome. I love being compared to pedophiles and dog-fuckers. Great way to start my day on some forums.
We see homosexuality in nature (in other animal species), and it boggles my mind what
(as it isn't way we were supposed to be born)
actually means. What do you mean by supposed? God? Evolution? I'm really always baffled by this particular invocation of the naturalistic fallacy.
Also, we celebrate being gay because heteros tend to fetishize it. Marvelosity has some excellent analysis here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416897¤tpage=5#100
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On June 12 2013 23:51 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:48 Jojo131 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them. Compassion, I guess. How far do we go before Individual Selfishness > Compassion? Because in history we were always very Selfish it seems, and people saying "Compassion is a human trait" is only so true, I think we are really being educated to value compassion a lot, but it's interesting, because 100 years ago this would be agreed upon by almost all people... And it's not like, those people weren't "human".
How on earth does oppressing minorities satisfy your individual selfishness? At best, it makes you a sadist, not selfish. But, expanding freedoms for all groups does satisfy your selfishness in the long run because if you ever become a minority it means you're less likely to be oppressed yourself. If you defend the freedoms of others it ultimately makes your freedoms more secure.
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Yeah, because You know my friends so well....A friend of mine has a black boyfriend (shes a white girl) i am going to tell her she is fucking racist because she doesnt support gay rights....
Thats just one example. You are talking nonsense dude.
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On June 12 2013 23:39 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:33 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 23:29 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:27 DertoQq wrote:On June 12 2013 23:15 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:59 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:56 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:53 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:51 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:
[quote]
It's not their responsibility to change themselves for society or move away because they're not accepted. That line of thought is straight from the 13th century. It's society's job to accept people the way they are as long as they do no harm to others. And I don't know about anyone else but I don't feel especially harmed when I meet a homosexual person. Well, try to come here or Ukraine, Russia, Georgia on pride. Then you will understand what I am talking about. It's not 13th century it's different opinion. Just if westerners think gay is ok, it doesen't mean it actually is acceptable to everyone. Not everyone are same. Yeah, some people are racist or homophobic, what's your point? If 90% of people are homophobic, country can't protect pride. Neither gay people, ergo, parade would be more damaging than useful. That's my point. But it differs from west (and 90% of posters aren't from few named countries) and that's why I am fighting the wind here. Don't act or speak out against racism if you live in a racist country. Don't act or speak out against homophobia if you live in a homophobic country. Is that your message? It's a poor one. No, my message is that our countries aren't identical in every matter and you can't compare pride in London and pride here. It has nothing to do with your country, it has everything to do with YOU. If you started not to be homophobic like 90% of your people, it would be a big improvement already. And you know what the best thing is ? You don't even have to do anything about it ! Just stay in front of your computer screen and be like "hu? maybe I was wrong, gay people should also have rights !". And when the time comes and you have kids, tell them that. Enough people do that and you solved the homophobic problem in your country ! Actually I am doing it, I am just stating reasons behind this law. Society isnt ready for it and you cant force people to be gay friendly in a few years. About gay rights, I cant agree with all, as much as I couldnt agree if people who does sex with animals (which would be some kinda new topic but it's example) would want ALL the rights. So instead of forcing people to be gay friendly you go completely the other direction and encourage homophobia? Don't equate homosexuality with bestiality unless you want to discredit yourself even further than you already have. As someone who is pretty neutral on their opinion of gay... I can totally see that perspective. It is not natural (as it isn't way we were supposed to be born), just as bestiality is, however being gay is a lot more widespread of course. And I would say pedophilia is the same kind of disorder. THE DIFFERENCE is that being gay does not have negative impact on the rest of society, to me they are just generally annoying because they, like other people say, glorify being gay(I still think it's nothing to be proud of, but just accept the fact others are, and don't treat them poorly because of that), and just seem to have more "weird" values than the average person; by society standards anyway.
Assuming you're referring only to comparing homosexuality with bestiality....
Having sex with animals doesn't negatively impact the rest of society, it's merely deemed animal cruelty and is illegal in most civilised countries, homosexuality is not.
Homosexuality is prevalent throughout the animal kingdom but interspecies relations are not.
Gay people aren't "annoying" because they glorify being gay. Gay people are "annoying" because they don't want to be treated as sub-humans and if that makes them annoying to you then I'd reconsider your pet peeves.
Gay people have weird values?
lol dude please...
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I don't see what's the big deal. Talking about sex to a kid is already a much avoided subject between adults and children. Teaching kids about homosexuality and homosexuals is going to be just as awkward.
Imagine you're the teacher in a class and you're teaching sex ed and a some darn kid decide to ask is doing a guy or a girl better. You can be neutral, and say they're both good, then the kid asks you "which one do you do?" And before you know it, you got parents bombarding you. With this law implemented, it makes it easy for educators, even if it's not true.
Hell, anyone who pursuit sciences and engineering knows that the simple formulas and models aren't true and yet we're teaching them because we have to start somewhere. So unless someone wants to say with 100% confidence how we should teach our kids about homosexuals with minimal effect on altering their sexuality then I don't see why avoiding the whole subject at all should be bad. Kids are young, one moment they're the jolliest thing in the world the other moment they're emo out of their mind. If anyone watched Modern Family should know what I'm talking about with Lily. lol.
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On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them.
This is actually one of the most neonazy posts I have red on this website.The slave/disabled people are part of nazy ideology.But even the nazys weren't promoting animal cruelty and discrimination against women.You must be one sick bastard.
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On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them.
<-- White Hetrosexual male posting here, from Denmark.
The reason why i personally wants these things, is because i know that our current life is our only time of existance.
1 - I want equal rights for women, because i love my mother, i love my female friends, and i understand the fact, that women are usefull for society.
2 - I know what freedom truely means, so that is why i want to share it with everyone. The thing i hate most in this world, is people who think they own other people. If i could, i would personally beat the shit out of anyone who thinks they own others. Be they kings or gods.
3 - Because we have more than enough rescources atm. As long as we can make them self-sustaning in the long run, theres no reason at all to not help them(unless they don't want help).
4 - The only reason i want liberation of the middle east, is because i see religion as humanity's cancer. It's for our best to remove any influence i t have on society. People can still have personal belives and religions, however religion should have no political or social power at all.
5 - Because theres no difference between me and them except or taste in mates. I honstly don't even know why i should concern myself over someones sexuality. What defines a person, is the actions they take, and people like the man throwing eggs on the picture in the OP, is a person i would beat to a bloody pulp.
6 - Why the fuck would you go around randomly hurting/killing living things? Say we are talking about a bear. As long as it is not trying to eat me, and i don't want it eat, then i have no reason to torment it.
7 - Because it's not their fault how they where born. If you can't understand that, i seriously think you should go to a mental hospital, because you completely lack empathy. Imagin your that you break your back from falling, and you get paralyzed from the waist and down. Should we just let you die? Imagin if it was your mother, or your father, or your wife.
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On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them.
so basically what you are saying is that I (western white male) am not SUPPOSED to care about everything bad that happens to people "below" me in the food chain?
I can understand why you would say that about animals and if you want to think of humans in such a pessimistic way that's up to you to decide but my personal definition of the human race goes much beyond just acting on instincts and egoism not caring about others at all and I really have a difficult time understanding why some people would think about the human race in such a way
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On June 12 2013 23:51 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:48 Jojo131 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them. Compassion, I guess. How far do we go before Individual Selfishness > Compassion? Because in history we were always very Selfish it seems, and people saying "Compassion is a human trait" is only so true, I think we are really being educated to value compassion a lot, but it's interesting, because 100 years ago this would be agreed upon by almost all people... And it's not like, those people weren't "human".
Knowledge grows. We keep getting better and better as a society. Whereas before we only see thing in the context of our tribe, village, country, we will eventually learn that we are all brothers and sisters and we must work together to achieve justice and equality.
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On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them.
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
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On June 12 2013 23:51 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:48 Jojo131 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them. Compassion, I guess. How far do we go before Individual Selfishness > Compassion? Because in history we were always very Selfish it seems, and people saying "Compassion is a human trait" is only so true, I think we are really being educated to value compassion a lot, but it's interesting, because 100 years ago this would be agreed upon by almost all people... And it's not like, those people weren't "human".
You could think of it as "the common good". Society as a whole tends to progress more when all people are given equal rights. (less fighting, more productivity/workers, more happy people, etc)
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On June 12 2013 23:33 Reason wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:29 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:27 DertoQq wrote:On June 12 2013 23:15 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:59 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:56 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:53 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:51 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 12 2013 22:37 ZeRoX-45 wrote:
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I dont want to fight alone for gay people rights, I just do not care about them enough. If they can't accept socety the way it is, they could move in France and live normal life. I am sorry for them but there's nothing I can do.
It's not their responsibility to change themselves for society or move away because they're not accepted. That line of thought is straight from the 13th century. It's society's job to accept people the way they are as long as they do no harm to others. And I don't know about anyone else but I don't feel especially harmed when I meet a homosexual person. Well, try to come here or Ukraine, Russia, Georgia on pride. Then you will understand what I am talking about. It's not 13th century it's different opinion. Just if westerners think gay is ok, it doesen't mean it actually is acceptable to everyone. Not everyone are same. Yeah, some people are racist or homophobic, what's your point? If 90% of people are homophobic, country can't protect pride. Neither gay people, ergo, parade would be more damaging than useful. That's my point. But it differs from west (and 90% of posters aren't from few named countries) and that's why I am fighting the wind here. Don't act or speak out against racism if you live in a racist country. Don't act or speak out against homophobia if you live in a homophobic country. Is that your message? It's a poor one. No, my message is that our countries aren't identical in every matter and you can't compare pride in London and pride here. It has nothing to do with your country, it has everything to do with YOU. If you started not to be homophobic like 90% of your people, it would be a big improvement already. And you know what the best thing is ? You don't even have to do anything about it ! Just stay in front of your computer screen and be like "hu? maybe I was wrong, gay people should also have rights !". And when the time comes and you have kids, tell them that. Enough people do that and you solved the homophobic problem in your country ! Actually I am doing it, I am just stating reasons behind this law. Society isnt ready for it and you cant force people to be gay friendly in a few years. About gay rights, I cant agree with all, as much as I couldnt agree if people who does sex with animals (which would be some kinda new topic but it's example) would want ALL the rights. So instead of forcing people to be gay friendly you go completely the other direction and encourage homophobia? Don't equate homosexuality with bestiality unless you want to discredit yourself even further than you already have.
If I was cynical brit now I would say, forcing people to be gay friendly would be discriminatory towards straight. But I am not impolite as you sir. No one talked about encouraging homophobia, but if it's easier to insult then think, go for it.
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