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On June 12 2013 23:23 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:20 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:16 Klondikebar wrote:On June 12 2013 23:13 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:55 theking1 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:50 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 theking1 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:32 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:21 theking1 wrote:I am suprised that so many homophobic posters exist in this forum.Sadly humanity until a great genocide happens does not learn its lesson.The Jews were persecuted for hundreds of years and only after Hitler commited the Hollocaust was antisemitism finally condemned.Now the gays are going to a simmilar process.until many of them are butchered no one will take any actions against inhumane violence against a group of human beings who have done nothing to no one and wish to live their life the way they decide  . I am here via phone so sry for not quoting you previous post. Aside from your terrible try to act as intelectual by writing my psychological profile, you completely misunderstood my point. I dont hate someone just for being gay, jew, black or whatever, I just dont want someone murdered or beatan up or damaged whole city just so they can walk 2 kms. If society doeeent approve it, deal with it, or youre saying its easier to change 7 million peoples then few hundreds of gays? Hey serbian homophobe thank you for replying! The discussion isnt about damage done to public space.the discussion is about this comment of yours: "I agree. I havent said that I wouldnt give them (some)rights. They are people after all. I would just like to stop parading and spreading homosexualism that much. But main thing is that here, parades arent really made for gays to get rights but to "inject finger in the eye" of straight people. Plus they get much of publicity as a unrelevant minority." Now answer my previous question: Would you say the same if a swiss politician decided to ban Serbian restaurants and Serbian dinner manifestations simply because he feels that serbians are "inject finger in the eye" of the western european populace and are an unrelevant minority?Just asking. Thank you in advance for your answer If society isn't ready to accept homosexualism why would you want to march on parades knowing that there would be some kind of trouble? If small group of Serbs in Switzerland would be unwanted just by their existing(from any reason), and country couldn't protect them, then I would request for ban personally for restaurant. It's not fair to Serbs but it is for other 99% of people living. You can't have perfect world where everyone is happy and satisfied. Thanks for manners Romanian realist! I am quite shocked on how easily you would agree to discrimination against your peers based on your perceived idea of democracy.Democracy and human rights mean rule of the majority and PROTECTION OF MINORITIES.If 99% of swiss do not want serbians in their country they can't do anythng about it because Switzwrland is a democracy signatary of human rights and after centuries of world wars and genocides western nations how you call them have realised that discriminationa against a minority if not humane and hence was made illlegal.Being tolerant goes a long way if you want other people being tolerant to you. I would fight for it because it's in my interest, but gay people isn't. You must be realistic sometimes and deal with something, not scream around like Kalimero "this isnt fair". Also, there is no perfect democracy, there never was. It's ideal and no one can reach it, gays, blacks or anyone else, maybe whites will one day be minority without rights. If you have no interest in gay rights one way or another, then why are you posting in a thread about gay rights? If you were truly apathetic, you might have read the OP, shrugged, and moved on. But you stayed to post. So no one believes that this is not of interest to you. I said I am against the pride's lol. You are pride of being a Serbian,I am proud of being a romanian,they are proud of being gay.Where is the issue?
Pride is parade you know? I stated all reasons and wont be doing it again.
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On June 12 2013 23:20 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:18 Steveling wrote:
I agree with this, excellent job Putin. Let me guess you are a greek orthodox.would you say the same if a german politician would give a law banning german kids form learning about greeks because he perceives them as lazy and have huge debts and would give a bad economical example?
Off topic?
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On June 12 2013 23:15 ZeRoX-45 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:59 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:56 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:53 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:51 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 12 2013 22:37 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:29 DertoQq wrote:On June 12 2013 22:20 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:14 DertoQq wrote:
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If I go to a restaurant and get beat up by the waiter for no reasons, he would be fired and probably arrested. The boss would give me free meal for life and then I would happily go back to this restaurant again !
yep, that's how it feels living in a civilized country. I pointed out example where anyone cant protect you. In some countries, police cant protect gqys since there is multiple times more people against gays then there is police. One more reason to actually fight for your rights (and by "you" I mean them/us fighting people like you you). If you can't go outside because you are afraid of getting beaten up, then there is something seriously wrong with your country. (and no, locking those people inside isn't a solution). If everyone were like you, black people would still be slaves in America and we would still have a king in France. I dont want to fight alone for gay people rights, I just do not care about them enough. If they can't accept socety the way it is, they could move in France and live normal life. I am sorry for them but there's nothing I can do. It's not their responsibility to change themselves for society or move away because they're not accepted. That line of thought is straight from the 13th century. It's society's job to accept people the way they are as long as they do no harm to others. And I don't know about anyone else but I don't feel especially harmed when I meet a homosexual person. Well, try to come here or Ukraine, Russia, Georgia on pride. Then you will understand what I am talking about. It's not 13th century it's different opinion. Just if westerners think gay is ok, it doesen't mean it actually is acceptable to everyone. Not everyone are same. Yeah, some people are racist or homophobic, what's your point? If 90% of people are homophobic, country can't protect pride. Neither gay people, ergo, parade would be more damaging than useful. That's my point. But it differs from west (and 90% of posters aren't from few named countries) and that's why I am fighting the wind here. Don't act or speak out against racism if you live in a racist country. Don't act or speak out against homophobia if you live in a homophobic country. Is that your message? It's a poor one. No, my message is that our countries aren't identical in every matter and you can't compare pride in London and pride here.
It has nothing to do with your country, it has everything to do with YOU. If you started not to be homophobic like 90% of your people, it would be a big improvement already. And you know what the best thing is ? You don't even have to do anything about it ! Just stay in front of your computer screen and be like "hu? maybe I was wrong, gay people should also have rights !". And when the time comes and you have kids, tell them that.
Enough people do that and you solved the homophobic problem in your country !
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On June 12 2013 23:25 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:23 Douillos wrote:On June 12 2013 23:18 Steveling wrote:
I agree with this, excellent job Putin. And here I was thinking the greek were gay-friendly! Its not the greeks.The orthodox church is even more hardcore in Greece than in Russia.Mount Athos with the monks is there and monks would kill people for being gay.You really dont wanna find out what will happen to gays in hell according to the monks.
You should be ashamed of your posts, really. This is complete nonsence.
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On June 12 2013 23:26 Christ the Redeemer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:20 theking1 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:18 Steveling wrote:
I agree with this, excellent job Putin. Let me guess you are a greek orthodox.would you say the same if a german politician would give a law banning german kids form learning about greeks because he perceives them as lazy and have huge debts and would give a bad economical example? Off topic?
Stop trying to passive-aggressively backseat moderate this thread without posting anything of substance. Thanks.
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On June 12 2013 23:27 DertoQq wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:15 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:59 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:56 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:53 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:51 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 12 2013 22:37 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:29 DertoQq wrote:On June 12 2013 22:20 ZeRoX-45 wrote:
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I pointed out example where anyone cant protect you. In some countries, police cant protect gqys since there is multiple times more people against gays then there is police. One more reason to actually fight for your rights (and by "you" I mean them/us fighting people like you you). If you can't go outside because you are afraid of getting beaten up, then there is something seriously wrong with your country. (and no, locking those people inside isn't a solution). If everyone were like you, black people would still be slaves in America and we would still have a king in France. I dont want to fight alone for gay people rights, I just do not care about them enough. If they can't accept socety the way it is, they could move in France and live normal life. I am sorry for them but there's nothing I can do. It's not their responsibility to change themselves for society or move away because they're not accepted. That line of thought is straight from the 13th century. It's society's job to accept people the way they are as long as they do no harm to others. And I don't know about anyone else but I don't feel especially harmed when I meet a homosexual person. Well, try to come here or Ukraine, Russia, Georgia on pride. Then you will understand what I am talking about. It's not 13th century it's different opinion. Just if westerners think gay is ok, it doesen't mean it actually is acceptable to everyone. Not everyone are same. Yeah, some people are racist or homophobic, what's your point? If 90% of people are homophobic, country can't protect pride. Neither gay people, ergo, parade would be more damaging than useful. That's my point. But it differs from west (and 90% of posters aren't from few named countries) and that's why I am fighting the wind here. Don't act or speak out against racism if you live in a racist country. Don't act or speak out against homophobia if you live in a homophobic country. Is that your message? It's a poor one. No, my message is that our countries aren't identical in every matter and you can't compare pride in London and pride here. It has nothing to do with your country, it has everything to do with YOU. If you started not to be homophobic like 90% of your people, it would be a big improvement already. And you know what the best thing is ? You don't even have to do anything about it ! Just stay in front of your computer screen and be like "hu? maybe I was wrong, gay people should also have rights !". And when the time comes and you have kids, tell them that. Enough people do that and you solved the homophobic problem in your country !
Actually I am doing it, I am just stating reasons behind this law. Society isnt ready for it and you cant force people to be gay friendly in a few years.
About gay rights, I cant agree with all, as much as I couldnt agree if people who does sex with animals (which would be some kinda new topic but it's example) would want ALL the rights.
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On June 12 2013 23:27 DertoQq wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:15 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:59 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:56 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:53 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:51 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 12 2013 22:37 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:29 DertoQq wrote:On June 12 2013 22:20 ZeRoX-45 wrote:
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I pointed out example where anyone cant protect you. In some countries, police cant protect gqys since there is multiple times more people against gays then there is police. One more reason to actually fight for your rights (and by "you" I mean them/us fighting people like you you). If you can't go outside because you are afraid of getting beaten up, then there is something seriously wrong with your country. (and no, locking those people inside isn't a solution). If everyone were like you, black people would still be slaves in America and we would still have a king in France. I dont want to fight alone for gay people rights, I just do not care about them enough. If they can't accept socety the way it is, they could move in France and live normal life. I am sorry for them but there's nothing I can do. It's not their responsibility to change themselves for society or move away because they're not accepted. That line of thought is straight from the 13th century. It's society's job to accept people the way they are as long as they do no harm to others. And I don't know about anyone else but I don't feel especially harmed when I meet a homosexual person. Well, try to come here or Ukraine, Russia, Georgia on pride. Then you will understand what I am talking about. It's not 13th century it's different opinion. Just if westerners think gay is ok, it doesen't mean it actually is acceptable to everyone. Not everyone are same. Yeah, some people are racist or homophobic, what's your point? If 90% of people are homophobic, country can't protect pride. Neither gay people, ergo, parade would be more damaging than useful. That's my point. But it differs from west (and 90% of posters aren't from few named countries) and that's why I am fighting the wind here. Don't act or speak out against racism if you live in a racist country. Don't act or speak out against homophobia if you live in a homophobic country. Is that your message? It's a poor one. No, my message is that our countries aren't identical in every matter and you can't compare pride in London and pride here. It has nothing to do with your country, it has everything to do with YOU. If you started not to be homophobic like 90% of your people, it would be a big improvement already. And you know what the best thing is ? You don't even have to do anything about it ! Just stay in front of your computer screen and be like "hu? maybe I was wrong, gay people should also have rights !". And when the time comes and you have kids, tell them that. Enough people do that and you solved the homophobic problem in your country !
Theking1 has brought an interesting element that goes against what you are saying and that is the power of the orthodox church in most of eastern Europe. I believe that you would need less church for homophobia to disappear from these countries.
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On June 12 2013 23:25 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:23 Douillos wrote:On June 12 2013 23:18 Steveling wrote:
I agree with this, excellent job Putin. And here I was thinking the greek were gay-friendly! Its not the greeks.The orthodox church is even more hardcore in Greece than in Russia.Mount Athos with the monks is there and monks would kill people for being gay.You really dont wanna find out what will happen to gays in hell according to the monks.
They are like the pinnacle of ignorance. Their parents probably feel ashamed of them.
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On June 12 2013 23:28 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:26 Christ the Redeemer wrote:On June 12 2013 23:20 theking1 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:18 Steveling wrote:
I agree with this, excellent job Putin. Let me guess you are a greek orthodox.would you say the same if a german politician would give a law banning german kids form learning about greeks because he perceives them as lazy and have huge debts and would give a bad economical example? Off topic? Stop trying to passive-aggressively backseat moderate this thread without posting anything of substance. Thanks.
Coolest way to tell someone to fuck off EVER.
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On June 12 2013 23:28 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:26 Christ the Redeemer wrote:On June 12 2013 23:20 theking1 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:18 Steveling wrote:
I agree with this, excellent job Putin. Let me guess you are a greek orthodox.would you say the same if a german politician would give a law banning german kids form learning about greeks because he perceives them as lazy and have huge debts and would give a bad economical example? Off topic? Stop trying to passive-aggressively backseat moderate this thread without posting anything of substance. Thanks.
Be careful, I already received a warning in this very thread for backseat moderating by requesting a ban for this intelligent individual.
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On June 12 2013 23:26 ZeRoX-45 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:23 theking1 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:20 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:16 Klondikebar wrote:On June 12 2013 23:13 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:55 theking1 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:50 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 theking1 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:32 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:21 theking1 wrote:I am suprised that so many homophobic posters exist in this forum.Sadly humanity until a great genocide happens does not learn its lesson.The Jews were persecuted for hundreds of years and only after Hitler commited the Hollocaust was antisemitism finally condemned.Now the gays are going to a simmilar process.until many of them are butchered no one will take any actions against inhumane violence against a group of human beings who have done nothing to no one and wish to live their life the way they decide . I am here via phone so sry for not quoting you previous post. Aside from your terrible try to act as intelectual by writing my psychological profile, you completely misunderstood my point. I dont hate someone just for being gay, jew, black or whatever, I just dont want someone murdered or beatan up or damaged whole city just so they can walk 2 kms. If society doeeent approve it, deal with it, or youre saying its easier to change 7 million peoples then few hundreds of gays? Hey serbian homophobe thank you for replying! The discussion isnt about damage done to public space.the discussion is about this comment of yours: "I agree. I havent said that I wouldnt give them (some)rights. They are people after all. I would just like to stop parading and spreading homosexualism that much. But main thing is that here, parades arent really made for gays to get rights but to "inject finger in the eye" of straight people. Plus they get much of publicity as a unrelevant minority." Now answer my previous question: Would you say the same if a swiss politician decided to ban Serbian restaurants and Serbian dinner manifestations simply because he feels that serbians are "inject finger in the eye" of the western european populace and are an unrelevant minority?Just asking. Thank you in advance for your answer If society isn't ready to accept homosexualism why would you want to march on parades knowing that there would be some kind of trouble? If small group of Serbs in Switzerland would be unwanted just by their existing(from any reason), and country couldn't protect them, then I would request for ban personally for restaurant. It's not fair to Serbs but it is for other 99% of people living. You can't have perfect world where everyone is happy and satisfied. Thanks for manners Romanian realist! I am quite shocked on how easily you would agree to discrimination against your peers based on your perceived idea of democracy.Democracy and human rights mean rule of the majority and PROTECTION OF MINORITIES.If 99% of swiss do not want serbians in their country they can't do anythng about it because Switzwrland is a democracy signatary of human rights and after centuries of world wars and genocides western nations how you call them have realised that discriminationa against a minority if not humane and hence was made illlegal.Being tolerant goes a long way if you want other people being tolerant to you. I would fight for it because it's in my interest, but gay people isn't. You must be realistic sometimes and deal with something, not scream around like Kalimero "this isnt fair". Also, there is no perfect democracy, there never was. It's ideal and no one can reach it, gays, blacks or anyone else, maybe whites will one day be minority without rights. If you have no interest in gay rights one way or another, then why are you posting in a thread about gay rights? If you were truly apathetic, you might have read the OP, shrugged, and moved on. But you stayed to post. So no one believes that this is not of interest to you. I said I am against the pride's lol. You are pride of being a Serbian,I am proud of being a romanian,they are proud of being gay.Where is the issue? Pride is parade you know? I stated all reasons and wont be doing it again.
Parades are just manifestations of pride.You would be surprised but most embassyes have special celebrations in their host countries during national days.For example the Dutch embassy planted tulips in Bucharest during the Netherlands national day and made a tulip exhibition  It is also a simbol of national pride albeit it is not a parade.Portoricans celebrate portorican day each year in the USA with a parade.Should that be illegal to?Also last year a couple of Romanian Parlamentarians were invited at the Serbian Embassy in Timisoara during serbia's national day.Inviting foreign officials during your national day is also a sign of pride.Should I protest?
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On June 12 2013 23:30 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:27 DertoQq wrote:On June 12 2013 23:15 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:59 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:56 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:53 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:51 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 12 2013 22:37 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:29 DertoQq wrote:
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One more reason to actually fight for your rights (and by "you" I mean them/us fighting people like you you). If you can't go outside because you are afraid of getting beaten up, then there is something seriously wrong with your country. (and no, locking those people inside isn't a solution).
If everyone were like you, black people would still be slaves in America and we would still have a king in France.
I dont want to fight alone for gay people rights, I just do not care about them enough. If they can't accept socety the way it is, they could move in France and live normal life. I am sorry for them but there's nothing I can do. It's not their responsibility to change themselves for society or move away because they're not accepted. That line of thought is straight from the 13th century. It's society's job to accept people the way they are as long as they do no harm to others. And I don't know about anyone else but I don't feel especially harmed when I meet a homosexual person. Well, try to come here or Ukraine, Russia, Georgia on pride. Then you will understand what I am talking about. It's not 13th century it's different opinion. Just if westerners think gay is ok, it doesen't mean it actually is acceptable to everyone. Not everyone are same. Yeah, some people are racist or homophobic, what's your point? If 90% of people are homophobic, country can't protect pride. Neither gay people, ergo, parade would be more damaging than useful. That's my point. But it differs from west (and 90% of posters aren't from few named countries) and that's why I am fighting the wind here. Don't act or speak out against racism if you live in a racist country. Don't act or speak out against homophobia if you live in a homophobic country. Is that your message? It's a poor one. No, my message is that our countries aren't identical in every matter and you can't compare pride in London and pride here. It has nothing to do with your country, it has everything to do with YOU. If you started not to be homophobic like 90% of your people, it would be a big improvement already. And you know what the best thing is ? You don't even have to do anything about it ! Just stay in front of your computer screen and be like "hu? maybe I was wrong, gay people should also have rights !". And when the time comes and you have kids, tell them that. Enough people do that and you solved the homophobic problem in your country ! Theking1 has brought an interesting element that goes against what you are saying and that is the power of the orthodox church in most of eastern Europe. I believe that you would need less church for homophobia to disappear from these countries.
Well, the only thing that leads to less churches, is more eduction for the general public. The trend in EU, is that the more educated people are, the less likely they are to belive in crazy things like religion.
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Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them.
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On June 12 2013 23:29 ZeRoX-45 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:27 DertoQq wrote:On June 12 2013 23:15 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:59 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:56 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:53 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:51 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 12 2013 22:37 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:29 DertoQq wrote:
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One more reason to actually fight for your rights (and by "you" I mean them/us fighting people like you you). If you can't go outside because you are afraid of getting beaten up, then there is something seriously wrong with your country. (and no, locking those people inside isn't a solution).
If everyone were like you, black people would still be slaves in America and we would still have a king in France.
I dont want to fight alone for gay people rights, I just do not care about them enough. If they can't accept socety the way it is, they could move in France and live normal life. I am sorry for them but there's nothing I can do. It's not their responsibility to change themselves for society or move away because they're not accepted. That line of thought is straight from the 13th century. It's society's job to accept people the way they are as long as they do no harm to others. And I don't know about anyone else but I don't feel especially harmed when I meet a homosexual person. Well, try to come here or Ukraine, Russia, Georgia on pride. Then you will understand what I am talking about. It's not 13th century it's different opinion. Just if westerners think gay is ok, it doesen't mean it actually is acceptable to everyone. Not everyone are same. Yeah, some people are racist or homophobic, what's your point? If 90% of people are homophobic, country can't protect pride. Neither gay people, ergo, parade would be more damaging than useful. That's my point. But it differs from west (and 90% of posters aren't from few named countries) and that's why I am fighting the wind here. Don't act or speak out against racism if you live in a racist country. Don't act or speak out against homophobia if you live in a homophobic country. Is that your message? It's a poor one. No, my message is that our countries aren't identical in every matter and you can't compare pride in London and pride here. It has nothing to do with your country, it has everything to do with YOU. If you started not to be homophobic like 90% of your people, it would be a big improvement already. And you know what the best thing is ? You don't even have to do anything about it ! Just stay in front of your computer screen and be like "hu? maybe I was wrong, gay people should also have rights !". And when the time comes and you have kids, tell them that. Enough people do that and you solved the homophobic problem in your country ! Actually I am doing it, I am just stating reasons behind this law. Society isnt ready for it and you cant force people to be gay friendly in a few years. About gay rights, I cant agree with all, as much as I couldnt agree if people who does sex with animals (which would be some kinda new topic but it's example) would want ALL the rights.
So instead of forcing people to be gay friendly you go completely the other direction and encourage homophobia?
Don't equate homosexuality with bestiality unless you want to discredit yourself even further than you already have.
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Church being influential is one thing, but i personally know a lot of people who shit on church (catholic one) and still are highly homophobic. Its much deeper issue. Part of entire culture here.
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On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this movement? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them.
Too obvious bro! Gotta be more subtil!
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On June 12 2013 23:30 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:27 DertoQq wrote:On June 12 2013 23:15 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:59 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:56 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:53 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:51 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 12 2013 22:37 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:29 DertoQq wrote:
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One more reason to actually fight for your rights (and by "you" I mean them/us fighting people like you you). If you can't go outside because you are afraid of getting beaten up, then there is something seriously wrong with your country. (and no, locking those people inside isn't a solution).
If everyone were like you, black people would still be slaves in America and we would still have a king in France.
I dont want to fight alone for gay people rights, I just do not care about them enough. If they can't accept socety the way it is, they could move in France and live normal life. I am sorry for them but there's nothing I can do. It's not their responsibility to change themselves for society or move away because they're not accepted. That line of thought is straight from the 13th century. It's society's job to accept people the way they are as long as they do no harm to others. And I don't know about anyone else but I don't feel especially harmed when I meet a homosexual person. Well, try to come here or Ukraine, Russia, Georgia on pride. Then you will understand what I am talking about. It's not 13th century it's different opinion. Just if westerners think gay is ok, it doesen't mean it actually is acceptable to everyone. Not everyone are same. Yeah, some people are racist or homophobic, what's your point? If 90% of people are homophobic, country can't protect pride. Neither gay people, ergo, parade would be more damaging than useful. That's my point. But it differs from west (and 90% of posters aren't from few named countries) and that's why I am fighting the wind here. Don't act or speak out against racism if you live in a racist country. Don't act or speak out against homophobia if you live in a homophobic country. Is that your message? It's a poor one. No, my message is that our countries aren't identical in every matter and you can't compare pride in London and pride here. It has nothing to do with your country, it has everything to do with YOU. If you started not to be homophobic like 90% of your people, it would be a big improvement already. And you know what the best thing is ? You don't even have to do anything about it ! Just stay in front of your computer screen and be like "hu? maybe I was wrong, gay people should also have rights !". And when the time comes and you have kids, tell them that. Enough people do that and you solved the homophobic problem in your country ! Theking1 has brought an interesting element that goes against what you are saying and that is the power of the orthodox church in most of eastern Europe. I believe that you would need less church for homophobia to disappear from these countries.
I have to disagree. Brazil is a widely catholic country and yet it also has one of the biggest acceptance rates for homossexuals.
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On June 12 2013 23:30 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:27 DertoQq wrote:On June 12 2013 23:15 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:59 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:56 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:53 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:51 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 12 2013 22:37 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:29 DertoQq wrote:
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One more reason to actually fight for your rights (and by "you" I mean them/us fighting people like you you). If you can't go outside because you are afraid of getting beaten up, then there is something seriously wrong with your country. (and no, locking those people inside isn't a solution).
If everyone were like you, black people would still be slaves in America and we would still have a king in France.
I dont want to fight alone for gay people rights, I just do not care about them enough. If they can't accept socety the way it is, they could move in France and live normal life. I am sorry for them but there's nothing I can do. It's not their responsibility to change themselves for society or move away because they're not accepted. That line of thought is straight from the 13th century. It's society's job to accept people the way they are as long as they do no harm to others. And I don't know about anyone else but I don't feel especially harmed when I meet a homosexual person. Well, try to come here or Ukraine, Russia, Georgia on pride. Then you will understand what I am talking about. It's not 13th century it's different opinion. Just if westerners think gay is ok, it doesen't mean it actually is acceptable to everyone. Not everyone are same. Yeah, some people are racist or homophobic, what's your point? If 90% of people are homophobic, country can't protect pride. Neither gay people, ergo, parade would be more damaging than useful. That's my point. But it differs from west (and 90% of posters aren't from few named countries) and that's why I am fighting the wind here. Don't act or speak out against racism if you live in a racist country. Don't act or speak out against homophobia if you live in a homophobic country. Is that your message? It's a poor one. No, my message is that our countries aren't identical in every matter and you can't compare pride in London and pride here. It has nothing to do with your country, it has everything to do with YOU. If you started not to be homophobic like 90% of your people, it would be a big improvement already. And you know what the best thing is ? You don't even have to do anything about it ! Just stay in front of your computer screen and be like "hu? maybe I was wrong, gay people should also have rights !". And when the time comes and you have kids, tell them that. Enough people do that and you solved the homophobic problem in your country ! Theking1 has brought an interesting element that goes against what you are saying and that is the power of the orthodox church in most of eastern Europe. I believe that you would need less church for homophobia to disappear from these countries.
I can't refute any of what Theking1 is saying, but I have to chime in that as a Romanian, not I nor anyone in my family (or extended family, for that matter), circle of friends or network of acquaintances is influenced by church or really gives a damn about it to any significant extent (although most people do claim to be earnest christians, they simply don't act like it, whether in theory or in practice  )
I also live in a small city (or large town, however you want to call it, approx. 50 thousand people) in a predominantly rural county, so if anything we should feel church influences more?
I don't know...
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On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them.
I really REALLY hope this is sarcasm.
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On June 12 2013 23:34 Silvanel wrote:
Church being influential is one thing, but i personally know a lot of people who shit on church (catholic one) and still are highly homophobic. Its much deeper issue. Part of entire culture here.
Good point.
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