On June 12 2013 22:21 theking1 wrote: I am suprised that so many homophobic posters exist in this forum.Sadly humanity until a great genocide happens does not learn its lesson.The Jews were persecuted for hundreds of years and only after Hitler commited the Hollocaust was antisemitism finally condemned.Now the gays are going to a simmilar process.until many of them are butchered no one will take any actions against inhumane violence against a group of human beings who have done nothing to no one and wish to live their life the way they decide .
I am here via phone so sry for not quoting you previous post. Aside from your terrible try to act as intelectual by writing my psychological profile, you completely misunderstood my point. I dont hate someone just for being gay, jew, black or whatever, I just dont want someone murdered or beatan up or damaged whole city just so they can walk 2 kms. If society doeeent approve it, deal with it, or youre saying its easier to change 7 million peoples then few hundreds of gays?
Hey serbian homophobe thank you for replying! The discussion isnt about damage done to public space.the discussion is about this comment of yours:
"I agree. I havent said that I wouldnt give them (some)rights. They are people after all. I would just like to stop parading and spreading homosexualism that much. But main thing is that here, parades arent really made for gays to get rights but to "inject finger in the eye" of straight people. Plus they get much of publicity as a unrelevant minority."
Now answer my previous question:
Would you say the same if a swiss politician decided to ban Serbian restaurants and Serbian dinner manifestations simply because he feels that serbians are "inject finger in the eye" of the western european populace and are an unrelevant minority?Just asking.
Thank you in advance for your answer
If society isn't ready to accept homosexualism why would you want to march on parades knowing that there would be some kind of trouble?
If small group of Serbs in Switzerland would be unwanted just by their existing(from any reason), and country couldn't protect them, then I would request for ban personally for restaurant. It's not fair to Serbs but it is for other 99% of people living. You can't have perfect world where everyone is happy and satisfied.
Thanks for manners Romanian realist!
I am quite shocked on how easily you would agree to discrimination against your peers based on your perceived idea of democracy.Democracy and human rights mean rule of the majority and PROTECTION OF MINORITIES.If 99% of swiss do not want serbians in their country they can't do anythng about it because Switzwrland is a democracy signatary of human rights and after centuries of world wars and genocides western nations how you call them have realised that discriminationa against a minority if not humane and hence was made illlegal.Being tolerant goes a long way if you want other people being tolerant to you.
I would fight for it because it's in my interest, but gay people isn't. You must be realistic sometimes and deal with something, not scream around like Kalimero "this isnt fair". Also, there is no perfect democracy, there never was. It's ideal and no one can reach it, gays, blacks or anyone else, maybe whites will one day be minority without rights.
Democracy is like perfection. It's not reachable, however we should all do our best to get as close as possible. Also, just an afterthought. I have no clue at all, as to why some people hate homosexuals. The only idea i can come up with, is that they have nightmares about this guy
On June 12 2013 23:03 evilfatsh1t wrote: 436-0? ZERO? did the mafia get involved and blackmail members of the parliament or something? how is this even possible
Yep, it's the 0 that's actually pretty scary, and that's in isolation from whatever the legislation is. The lack of dissent is shocking, whatever is behind the lack of dissent must be terrifying and strong.
Very surprising , I would expect the communist to be against it at least. Communists in Eastern Europe were never very gay-friendly (rather opposite), but they were also not considering gays as satanic evil.
In communist Romania and even a few years after there was a death penalty for being gay.Don't know about the czech ones though.
On June 12 2013 22:21 theking1 wrote: I am suprised that so many homophobic posters exist in this forum.Sadly humanity until a great genocide happens does not learn its lesson.The Jews were persecuted for hundreds of years and only after Hitler commited the Hollocaust was antisemitism finally condemned.Now the gays are going to a simmilar process.until many of them are butchered no one will take any actions against inhumane violence against a group of human beings who have done nothing to no one and wish to live their life the way they decide .
I am here via phone so sry for not quoting you previous post. Aside from your terrible try to act as intelectual by writing my psychological profile, you completely misunderstood my point. I dont hate someone just for being gay, jew, black or whatever, I just dont want someone murdered or beatan up or damaged whole city just so they can walk 2 kms. If society doeeent approve it, deal with it, or youre saying its easier to change 7 million peoples then few hundreds of gays?
Hey serbian homophobe thank you for replying! The discussion isnt about damage done to public space.the discussion is about this comment of yours:
"I agree. I havent said that I wouldnt give them (some)rights. They are people after all. I would just like to stop parading and spreading homosexualism that much. But main thing is that here, parades arent really made for gays to get rights but to "inject finger in the eye" of straight people. Plus they get much of publicity as a unrelevant minority."
Now answer my previous question:
Would you say the same if a swiss politician decided to ban Serbian restaurants and Serbian dinner manifestations simply because he feels that serbians are "inject finger in the eye" of the western european populace and are an unrelevant minority?Just asking.
Thank you in advance for your answer
If society isn't ready to accept homosexualism why would you want to march on parades knowing that there would be some kind of trouble?
If small group of Serbs in Switzerland would be unwanted just by their existing(from any reason), and country couldn't protect them, then I would request for ban personally for restaurant. It's not fair to Serbs but it is for other 99% of people living. You can't have perfect world where everyone is happy and satisfied.
Thanks for manners Romanian realist!
I am quite shocked on how easily you would agree to discrimination against your peers based on your perceived idea of democracy.Democracy and human rights mean rule of the majority and PROTECTION OF MINORITIES.If 99% of swiss do not want serbians in their country they can't do anythng about it because Switzwrland is a democracy signatary of human rights and after centuries of world wars and genocides western nations how you call them have realised that discriminationa against a minority if not humane and hence was made illlegal.Being tolerant goes a long way if you want other people being tolerant to you.
I would fight for it because it's in my interest, but gay people isn't. You must be realistic sometimes and deal with something, not scream around like Kalimero "this isnt fair". Also, there is no perfect democracy, there never was. It's ideal and no one can reach it, gays, blacks or anyone else, maybe whites will one day be minority without rights.
If you have no interest in gay rights one way or another, then why are you posting in a thread about gay rights? If you were truly apathetic, you might have read the OP, shrugged, and moved on. But you stayed to post. So no one believes that this is not of interest to you.
On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote: Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?
Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women.
Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever.
I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago.
Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again
USA isn't ahead on that, especially when you mention religion. In USA religion is used on a daily basis as an excuse for many thing, on that area USA is behind compared to most of the countries. The same goes with their attitude to the military. You're frequently being exposed to propaganda from both those areas, most other nations see it all the time in your shows, and whatnot. You're quite modern when it comes to tolerating homosexuality but not religion in general...
The difference with the USA is that you will find much more opposition to the homophobic sentiments. You will still find plenty of homophobic individuals with an equal amount of hatred though.
On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote: Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?
Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women.
Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever.
I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago.
Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again
USA isn't ahead on that, especially when you mention religion. In USA religion is used on a daily basis as an excuse for many thing, on that area USA is behind compared to most of the countries. The same goes with their attitude to the military. You're frequently being exposed to propaganda from both those areas, most other nations see it all the time in your shows, and whatnot. You're quite modern when it comes to tolerating homosexuality but not religion in general...
Yeah we Europeans sometime feel like we are ahead of the States in the way we separate the state and the church... And then right wing extremists start getting more and more votes, people protest every day against gay marriage, muslim grounds are vandalized (jewish ones also)... And then we remember that intolerance is just behind the corner and that it's an every day fight to keep the freedom we/our parents/grand-parents fought for.
I didn't talk about all of europe as a whole, we are too diverse to say that. In scandinavia though, netherlands as well I know are very tolerant towards homosexuality. There has been only a few things in Denmark I know, where it's legal to get married as a gay couple but some priests didn't want to wed them. I don't know why you bring up the fight our previous generations were fighting in with the wards, you're talking about it as if we're in danger of another war. If you're implying that there is a "war" threatening the peace between us, within communites (straight vs gay or something) I think you're exaggerating quite significantly
On June 12 2013 23:03 evilfatsh1t wrote: 436-0? ZERO? did the mafia get involved and blackmail members of the parliament or something? how is this even possible
I think some of the representatives were just scared of being labelled "gayfriend". Belive me or not, in some conservative countries that kind of label can be super hurtfull. Even if some of them probably dont have anything against gay rights they were afraid of being singled out.
Russian governement showing its true colors (as always, but since this time its about something which west cares about there will some reaction) (or at least i hope there will be).
On June 12 2013 23:18 Steveling wrote: I agree with this, excellent job Putin.
Let me guess you are a greek orthodox.would you say the same if a german politician would give a law banning german kids form learning about greeks because he perceives them as lazy and have huge debts and would give a bad economical example?
On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote: Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?
Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women.
Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever.
I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago.
Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again
USA isn't ahead on that, especially when you mention religion. In USA religion is used on a daily basis as an excuse for many thing, on that area USA is behind compared to most of the countries. The same goes with their attitude to the military. You're frequently being exposed to propaganda from both those areas, most other nations see it all the time in your shows, and whatnot. You're quite modern when it comes to tolerating homosexuality but not religion in general...
What exactly are you basing your assertion that religion in the US is somehow used to excuse bad stuff? The US is not a paragon of Human rights (although in this case its definitely ahead of Russia) but its generally a pretty tolerant society since core values of freedom are important to people. Usually when making attempts to justify things like discrimination against gays the justification is emphasis on family and legal difficulties with interpreting homosexuality.
On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote: Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?
Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women.
Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever.
I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago.
Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again
Rape is also natural in animals, it doesn't mean it's good
Also: Come on Murrica. Free the shit out of them. Redeem yourself for all the wars you did for oil, do one for freedom.
They're most likely not capable of doing that, or they would have already.
That's not how politics and international relations work... -_-
Jesus christ how old are you?!
I know well enough that they don't work like that... But who knows what the USA will do, they do have a notorious reputation for going on a "freeing" rampage.
On June 12 2013 22:21 theking1 wrote: I am suprised that so many homophobic posters exist in this forum.Sadly humanity until a great genocide happens does not learn its lesson.The Jews were persecuted for hundreds of years and only after Hitler commited the Hollocaust was antisemitism finally condemned.Now the gays are going to a simmilar process.until many of them are butchered no one will take any actions against inhumane violence against a group of human beings who have done nothing to no one and wish to live their life the way they decide .
I am here via phone so sry for not quoting you previous post. Aside from your terrible try to act as intelectual by writing my psychological profile, you completely misunderstood my point. I dont hate someone just for being gay, jew, black or whatever, I just dont want someone murdered or beatan up or damaged whole city just so they can walk 2 kms. If society doeeent approve it, deal with it, or youre saying its easier to change 7 million peoples then few hundreds of gays?
Hey serbian homophobe thank you for replying! The discussion isnt about damage done to public space.the discussion is about this comment of yours:
"I agree. I havent said that I wouldnt give them (some)rights. They are people after all. I would just like to stop parading and spreading homosexualism that much. But main thing is that here, parades arent really made for gays to get rights but to "inject finger in the eye" of straight people. Plus they get much of publicity as a unrelevant minority."
Now answer my previous question:
Would you say the same if a swiss politician decided to ban Serbian restaurants and Serbian dinner manifestations simply because he feels that serbians are "inject finger in the eye" of the western european populace and are an unrelevant minority?Just asking.
Thank you in advance for your answer
If society isn't ready to accept homosexualism why would you want to march on parades knowing that there would be some kind of trouble?
If small group of Serbs in Switzerland would be unwanted just by their existing(from any reason), and country couldn't protect them, then I would request for ban personally for restaurant. It's not fair to Serbs but it is for other 99% of people living. You can't have perfect world where everyone is happy and satisfied.
Thanks for manners Romanian realist!
I am quite shocked on how easily you would agree to discrimination against your peers based on your perceived idea of democracy.Democracy and human rights mean rule of the majority and PROTECTION OF MINORITIES.If 99% of swiss do not want serbians in their country they can't do anythng about it because Switzwrland is a democracy signatary of human rights and after centuries of world wars and genocides western nations how you call them have realised that discriminationa against a minority if not humane and hence was made illlegal.Being tolerant goes a long way if you want other people being tolerant to you.
I would fight for it because it's in my interest, but gay people isn't. You must be realistic sometimes and deal with something, not scream around like Kalimero "this isnt fair". Also, there is no perfect democracy, there never was. It's ideal and no one can reach it, gays, blacks or anyone else, maybe whites will one day be minority without rights.
Democracy is like perfection. It's not reachable, however we should all do our best to get as close as possible. Also, just an afterthought. I have no clue at all, as to why some people hate homosexuals. The only idea i can come up with, is that they have nightmares about this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6A2WhUcNec
I agree but I am saying that percentage of homophobic people isn't same in every country.
If Serbia is seriously full of homophobic people(and that's what you said) or at least of people like you who don't seem to give a shit if minorities get suppressed or not, i seriously wonder why Serbia wants to join the EU.
Citizens actually wont. 60% of them roughly. Me neither But our corrupted goverment is doing a good work for Bruxelles, being their puppet for a more then a decade already.
On June 12 2013 22:21 theking1 wrote: I am suprised that so many homophobic posters exist in this forum.Sadly humanity until a great genocide happens does not learn its lesson.The Jews were persecuted for hundreds of years and only after Hitler commited the Hollocaust was antisemitism finally condemned.Now the gays are going to a simmilar process.until many of them are butchered no one will take any actions against inhumane violence against a group of human beings who have done nothing to no one and wish to live their life the way they decide .
I am here via phone so sry for not quoting you previous post. Aside from your terrible try to act as intelectual by writing my psychological profile, you completely misunderstood my point. I dont hate someone just for being gay, jew, black or whatever, I just dont want someone murdered or beatan up or damaged whole city just so they can walk 2 kms. If society doeeent approve it, deal with it, or youre saying its easier to change 7 million peoples then few hundreds of gays?
Hey serbian homophobe thank you for replying! The discussion isnt about damage done to public space.the discussion is about this comment of yours:
"I agree. I havent said that I wouldnt give them (some)rights. They are people after all. I would just like to stop parading and spreading homosexualism that much. But main thing is that here, parades arent really made for gays to get rights but to "inject finger in the eye" of straight people. Plus they get much of publicity as a unrelevant minority."
Now answer my previous question:
Would you say the same if a swiss politician decided to ban Serbian restaurants and Serbian dinner manifestations simply because he feels that serbians are "inject finger in the eye" of the western european populace and are an unrelevant minority?Just asking.
Thank you in advance for your answer
If society isn't ready to accept homosexualism why would you want to march on parades knowing that there would be some kind of trouble?
If small group of Serbs in Switzerland would be unwanted just by their existing(from any reason), and country couldn't protect them, then I would request for ban personally for restaurant. It's not fair to Serbs but it is for other 99% of people living. You can't have perfect world where everyone is happy and satisfied.
Thanks for manners Romanian realist!
I am quite shocked on how easily you would agree to discrimination against your peers based on your perceived idea of democracy.Democracy and human rights mean rule of the majority and PROTECTION OF MINORITIES.If 99% of swiss do not want serbians in their country they can't do anythng about it because Switzwrland is a democracy signatary of human rights and after centuries of world wars and genocides western nations how you call them have realised that discriminationa against a minority if not humane and hence was made illlegal.Being tolerant goes a long way if you want other people being tolerant to you.
I would fight for it because it's in my interest, but gay people isn't. You must be realistic sometimes and deal with something, not scream around like Kalimero "this isnt fair". Also, there is no perfect democracy, there never was. It's ideal and no one can reach it, gays, blacks or anyone else, maybe whites will one day be minority without rights.
If you have no interest in gay rights one way or another, then why are you posting in a thread about gay rights? If you were truly apathetic, you might have read the OP, shrugged, and moved on. But you stayed to post. So no one believes that this is not of interest to you.
I said I am against the pride's lol.
You are pride of being a Serbian,I am proud of being a romanian,they are proud of being gay.Where is the issue?
On June 12 2013 22:03 Reason wrote: [quote] The argument has no value, it's commonly known homosexual parents are just as good at bringing up children as heterosexual parents.
I'm almost convinced you just decided to sidestep what I just typed -_- Being unable to empathize to biological processes of the opposite sex is a protruding disadvantage to same-sex couples, when the opportunity to seek external help isn't always available.
According to what study?
There's no statistics needed to be done.
As a guy I can't invoke previous pains of being pregnant, or having a period. I cannot empathize with a woman's pain the same way another woman can. It's a type of emotional support I cannot provide as a man.
This is completely ridiculous. So if your child loses a limb to some accident then he is gonna hate you because you can't empathize with that kind of pain since you never lost a limb? Everyone can understand pain and fathers/mothers feel more because there is a connection (love) involved, it doesn't matter if there aren't the same sex, when someone you love is in agony you feel for them and will be there for them no matter what, that is human nature.
You can't anticipate that your child will lose a leg, so you have no agency in your inability to empathize in this situation.
Being able to empathize with your child as she's pregnant/giving birth is dependent of whether you're a gay couple or not (ie. if you are then you cant, if you are not than you can).
And of course you can still try to feel for them through love, but you're not as "there" with them as someone else who's shared the same experience. The significance of this factor is situational to the child and the incident.
You did not answer my reply to you which insisted on the fact that a lot of people lack that kind of empathy though their parents, life is tough and not as many people as you think have both parents (accident, divorce, etc.)...
But people seem to get through that and live happily anyways... Your argument is invalid because this case scenario already exists without Homoparentality.
Then I dont think you understood my argument, which was (from the very beginning) that gay men couples are disadvantaged against heterosexual couples because they can't empathize with their pregnant daughters (when external help is not always available), because they can't provide the type of empathy which is exclusive to individual sex.
It is NOT that gay men couples are disadvantaged against all other family structures, which seems to be where you were headed by drawing on single parents, divorces etc.
You're correct in stating that other family structures (such as single parents) also cannot provide that type of empathy, in which case they are also disadvantaged (which shouldn't be too hard to understand right? 1<2?). But that does not shake the argument that there is a clear disadvantage for gay men couples with daughters, when external help is not always available.
The significance of this ability to empathize is solely dependent on the child and the incident, whether she feels that she needs that type of support, which 2 men cannot provide.
Like you though, I'm done beating on this dead horse. Thats all from me.
Are you really truly done? Thank god. Because making claims with absolutely not evidence and straight up saying you don't need evidence for said claims is patently stupid.
I'm guessing you didn't read my response to that message either, did you? It's like you're not reading what I'm saying, just so you can skip to your part just to tell me I'm wrong. Now that I'm done, please do go after everyone else making baseless claims (there's a lot more than just me. For the sake of being consistent of course. Dont make an exception for me just because I'm the only one who went up to say "I dont need stats to understand concepts that are relatively simple". (please actually do read what I said about that earlier message for clarity, geez"
No. I've read all of your posts from start to finish. You provide a narrative, and then you say that narrative represents reality. Then when people ask you to demonstrate the connection with evidence, you refuse to because you say that your narrative speaks for itself. Logic doesn't work like that. If you want us to believe your narrative is in any way connected to reality, you have to provide evidence. Which you have not.
If you truly believe that homosexual parents are disadvantaged at raising daughters because they cannot empathize with her biological functions, then you must be able to cite some study. If you have no study and simply made this theory up on the spot, then you have no reason for believing it and it's madness to expect us to believe it as well. And pretending like we don't believe you simply because we haven't read your narrative is moronic. Fiction doesn't become reality simply because the plot sounds good.
On June 12 2013 23:15 guN-viCe wrote: Statutory rape is illegal in many countries including the USA. In the example given by shekelberg, he states a 14 year old with a 40 year old.
I never disputed that it is illegal.
On June 12 2013 23:15 guN-viCe wrote: This is not a grey zone, any way you slice it. In this example, an older person is preying upon and exploiting a naive child.
Feel free to prove the fact that no 14 year old anywhere in the world is capable of deciding about whether or not they love someone and feel ready to have intercourse, any kind of exterior pressure notwithstanding. Oh, you can't? Why's that? Oh, because you should never generalize an entire category of people and draw conclusions that are ultimately inaccurate? Yeah... The law against statutory rape might do more good than harm, but to say it's perfect is beyond absurd.
On June 12 2013 23:15 guN-viCe wrote: Please don't use strawman's or fallacious arguments, it degrades the discussion.
Wherein lay the fallacies?
On June 12 2013 23:15 guN-viCe wrote: My post might have confused you because I was responding to shekelberg's 2 posts, within my single post. My post wasn't ironic, funny or sad.
No, it is ironic because you harp on shekelberg for his intolerance and bigotry (which is reasonable), while at the same time advocating intolerance against every single man who has ever had or intended to have a relationship with a significantly younger woman, simply because you believe that no teenager is capable of making that kind of decisions on their own. Furthermore you make your case not as "I believe this is wrong" but as "lol these people are fucked in the head" without even considering outliers and exceptions, or you know, the fact that the legal system will never cover every single exception without becoming completely subjective.
As parting words, I'd like to point out that beyond any fetishes or personal preferences, men are biologically wired to be more sexually attracted to teenagers and young adult women than to older ones.
On June 12 2013 22:21 theking1 wrote: I am suprised that so many homophobic posters exist in this forum.Sadly humanity until a great genocide happens does not learn its lesson.The Jews were persecuted for hundreds of years and only after Hitler commited the Hollocaust was antisemitism finally condemned.Now the gays are going to a simmilar process.until many of them are butchered no one will take any actions against inhumane violence against a group of human beings who have done nothing to no one and wish to live their life the way they decide .
I am here via phone so sry for not quoting you previous post. Aside from your terrible try to act as intelectual by writing my psychological profile, you completely misunderstood my point. I dont hate someone just for being gay, jew, black or whatever, I just dont want someone murdered or beatan up or damaged whole city just so they can walk 2 kms. If society doeeent approve it, deal with it, or youre saying its easier to change 7 million peoples then few hundreds of gays?
Hey serbian homophobe thank you for replying! The discussion isnt about damage done to public space.the discussion is about this comment of yours:
"I agree. I havent said that I wouldnt give them (some)rights. They are people after all. I would just like to stop parading and spreading homosexualism that much. But main thing is that here, parades arent really made for gays to get rights but to "inject finger in the eye" of straight people. Plus they get much of publicity as a unrelevant minority."
Now answer my previous question:
Would you say the same if a swiss politician decided to ban Serbian restaurants and Serbian dinner manifestations simply because he feels that serbians are "inject finger in the eye" of the western european populace and are an unrelevant minority?Just asking.
Thank you in advance for your answer
If society isn't ready to accept homosexualism why would you want to march on parades knowing that there would be some kind of trouble?
If small group of Serbs in Switzerland would be unwanted just by their existing(from any reason), and country couldn't protect them, then I would request for ban personally for restaurant. It's not fair to Serbs but it is for other 99% of people living. You can't have perfect world where everyone is happy and satisfied.
Thanks for manners Romanian realist!
I am quite shocked on how easily you would agree to discrimination against your peers based on your perceived idea of democracy.Democracy and human rights mean rule of the majority and PROTECTION OF MINORITIES.If 99% of swiss do not want serbians in their country they can't do anythng about it because Switzwrland is a democracy signatary of human rights and after centuries of world wars and genocides western nations how you call them have realised that discriminationa against a minority if not humane and hence was made illlegal.Being tolerant goes a long way if you want other people being tolerant to you.
I would fight for it because it's in my interest, but gay people isn't. You must be realistic sometimes and deal with something, not scream around like Kalimero "this isnt fair". Also, there is no perfect democracy, there never was. It's ideal and no one can reach it, gays, blacks or anyone else, maybe whites will one day be minority without rights.
If you have no interest in gay rights one way or another, then why are you posting in a thread about gay rights? If you were truly apathetic, you might have read the OP, shrugged, and moved on. But you stayed to post. So no one believes that this is not of interest to you.
I said I am against the pride's lol.
You are pride of being a Serbian,I am proud of being a romanian,they are proud of being gay.Where is the issue?
By pride's He means the carnival like marches that happen once a year.
On June 12 2013 23:18 Steveling wrote: I agree with this, excellent job Putin.
And here I was thinking the greek were gay-friendly!
Its not the greeks.The orthodox church is even more hardcore in Greece than in Russia.Mount Athos with the monks is there and monks would kill people for being gay.You really dont wanna find out what will happen to gays in hell according to the monks.
On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote: Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?
Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women.
Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever.
I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago.
Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again
USA isn't ahead on that, especially when you mention religion. In USA religion is used on a daily basis as an excuse for many thing, on that area USA is behind compared to most of the countries. The same goes with their attitude to the military. You're frequently being exposed to propaganda from both those areas, most other nations see it all the time in your shows, and whatnot. You're quite modern when it comes to tolerating homosexuality but not religion in general...
What exactly are you basing your assertion that religion in the US is somehow used to excuse bad stuff? The US is not a paragon of Human rights (although in this case its definitely ahead of Russia) but its generally a pretty tolerant society since core values of freedom are important to people. Usually when making attempts to justify things like discrimination against gays the justification is emphasis on family and legal difficulties with interpreting homosexuality.
I didn't talk about homosexuality in general, I was making a basic point, to talk about homosexuality. I'm not talking about those massacres or something, it's a bit more hidden in the USA. One example is all those companies harvesting lumber in the Amazon rainforrest. A common reason for them justifying what they are doing to the environment there they use the bible, it says something about man has to take care of earth, so they believe that earth is theirs to do with as they want, according to the bible.
On June 12 2013 23:18 Steveling wrote: I agree with this, excellent job Putin.
And here I was thinking the greek were gay-friendly!
Its not the greeks.The orthodox church is even more hardcore in Greece than in Russia.Mount Athos with the monks is there and monks would kill people for being gay.You really dont wanna find out what will happen to gays in hell according to the monks.
Yeah I know i'm just fuckin' around. Getting a bit bored as we have finished this piñata approx 200 posts ago.
EPT
But our corrupted goverment is doing a good work for Bruxelles, being their puppet for a more then a decade already. 
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