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On June 12 2013 23:28 ZeRoX-45 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:25 theking1 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:23 Douillos wrote:On June 12 2013 23:18 Steveling wrote:
I agree with this, excellent job Putin. And here I was thinking the greek were gay-friendly! Its not the greeks.The orthodox church is even more hardcore in Greece than in Russia.Mount Athos with the monks is there and monks would kill people for being gay.You really dont wanna find out what will happen to gays in hell according to the monks. You should be ashamed of your posts, really. This is complete nonsence.
No its actually true.I have red those books.If you insist I will post the links here where they describe the punishments the gays will receive in hell.Most of the books are in Romanian and greek since orthodoxy isnt spread into the English speaking world that much.
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On June 12 2013 23:35 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them. I really REALLY hope this is sarcasm.
Come to Romania! 
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On June 12 2013 23:36 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:35 packrat386 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them. I really REALLY hope this is sarcasm. Come to Romania!
I hear its nice but I probably won't be coming any time soon :/
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On June 12 2013 23:36 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:35 packrat386 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them. I really REALLY hope this is sarcasm. Come to Romania!
Only if the weather is ok! :p
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On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them.
The name already reveals the troll
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On June 12 2013 23:34 Silvanel wrote:
Church being influential is one thing, but i personally know a lot of people who shit on church (catholic one) and still are highly homophobic. Its much deeper issue. Part of entire culture here.
Those small groups of people can not influence politicians to change laws.The Church can.we are talking about a 100% vote in a Parliament.Random neonazy groups don't have that power.
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On June 12 2013 23:33 Reason wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:29 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:27 DertoQq wrote:On June 12 2013 23:15 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:59 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:56 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:53 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:51 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 12 2013 22:37 ZeRoX-45 wrote:
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I dont want to fight alone for gay people rights, I just do not care about them enough. If they can't accept socety the way it is, they could move in France and live normal life. I am sorry for them but there's nothing I can do.
It's not their responsibility to change themselves for society or move away because they're not accepted. That line of thought is straight from the 13th century. It's society's job to accept people the way they are as long as they do no harm to others. And I don't know about anyone else but I don't feel especially harmed when I meet a homosexual person. Well, try to come here or Ukraine, Russia, Georgia on pride. Then you will understand what I am talking about. It's not 13th century it's different opinion. Just if westerners think gay is ok, it doesen't mean it actually is acceptable to everyone. Not everyone are same. Yeah, some people are racist or homophobic, what's your point? If 90% of people are homophobic, country can't protect pride. Neither gay people, ergo, parade would be more damaging than useful. That's my point. But it differs from west (and 90% of posters aren't from few named countries) and that's why I am fighting the wind here. Don't act or speak out against racism if you live in a racist country. Don't act or speak out against homophobia if you live in a homophobic country. Is that your message? It's a poor one. No, my message is that our countries aren't identical in every matter and you can't compare pride in London and pride here. It has nothing to do with your country, it has everything to do with YOU. If you started not to be homophobic like 90% of your people, it would be a big improvement already. And you know what the best thing is ? You don't even have to do anything about it ! Just stay in front of your computer screen and be like "hu? maybe I was wrong, gay people should also have rights !". And when the time comes and you have kids, tell them that. Enough people do that and you solved the homophobic problem in your country ! Actually I am doing it, I am just stating reasons behind this law. Society isnt ready for it and you cant force people to be gay friendly in a few years. About gay rights, I cant agree with all, as much as I couldnt agree if people who does sex with animals (which would be some kinda new topic but it's example) would want ALL the rights. So instead of forcing people to be gay friendly you go completely the other direction and encourage homophobia? Don't equate homosexuality with bestiality unless you want to discredit yourself even further than you already have.
As someone who is pretty neutral on their opinion of gay...
I can totally see that perspective. It is not natural (as it isn't way we were supposed to be born), just as bestiality is, however being gay is a lot more widespread of course. And I would say pedophilia is the same kind of disorder.
THE DIFFERENCE is that being gay does not have negative impact on the rest of society, to me they are just generally annoying because they, like other people say, glorify being gay(I still think it's nothing to be proud of, but just accept the fact others are, and don't treat them poorly because of that), and just seem to have more "weird" values than the average person; by society standards anyway.
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On June 12 2013 23:19 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:16 mcc wrote:On June 12 2013 23:05 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2013 23:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:
436-0?
ZERO? did the mafia get involved and blackmail members of the parliament or something? how is this even possible Yep, it's the 0 that's actually pretty scary, and that's in isolation from whatever the legislation is. The lack of dissent is shocking, whatever is behind the lack of dissent must be terrifying and strong. Very surprising , I would expect the communist to be against it at least. Communists in Eastern Europe were never very gay-friendly (rather opposite), but they were also not considering gays as satanic evil. In communist Romania and even a few years after there was a death penalty for being gay.Don't know about the czech ones though.
In here it was decriminalized 1962, but I think it was tolerated long before than.
Interesting about Romania though, I knew they were officially unofficially discriminated, but not that it was that bad. Plus considering how progressive they were on women rights issues I thought that discriminating gays was more of a historical quirk, similar to their dislike of Jews as it does not fit well with communist ideology.
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On June 12 2013 23:39 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:33 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 23:29 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:27 DertoQq wrote:On June 12 2013 23:15 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:59 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:56 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:53 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:51 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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It's not their responsibility to change themselves for society or move away because they're not accepted. That line of thought is straight from the 13th century. It's society's job to accept people the way they are as long as they do no harm to others. And I don't know about anyone else but I don't feel especially harmed when I meet a homosexual person. Well, try to come here or Ukraine, Russia, Georgia on pride. Then you will understand what I am talking about. It's not 13th century it's different opinion. Just if westerners think gay is ok, it doesen't mean it actually is acceptable to everyone. Not everyone are same. Yeah, some people are racist or homophobic, what's your point? If 90% of people are homophobic, country can't protect pride. Neither gay people, ergo, parade would be more damaging than useful. That's my point. But it differs from west (and 90% of posters aren't from few named countries) and that's why I am fighting the wind here. Don't act or speak out against racism if you live in a racist country. Don't act or speak out against homophobia if you live in a homophobic country. Is that your message? It's a poor one. No, my message is that our countries aren't identical in every matter and you can't compare pride in London and pride here. It has nothing to do with your country, it has everything to do with YOU. If you started not to be homophobic like 90% of your people, it would be a big improvement already. And you know what the best thing is ? You don't even have to do anything about it ! Just stay in front of your computer screen and be like "hu? maybe I was wrong, gay people should also have rights !". And when the time comes and you have kids, tell them that. Enough people do that and you solved the homophobic problem in your country ! Actually I am doing it, I am just stating reasons behind this law. Society isnt ready for it and you cant force people to be gay friendly in a few years. About gay rights, I cant agree with all, as much as I couldnt agree if people who does sex with animals (which would be some kinda new topic but it's example) would want ALL the rights. So instead of forcing people to be gay friendly you go completely the other direction and encourage homophobia? Don't equate homosexuality with bestiality unless you want to discredit yourself even further than you already have. As someone who is pretty neutral on their opinion of gay... I can totally see that perspective. It is not natural (as it isn't way we were supposed to be born), just as bestiality is, however being gay is a lot more widespread of course. And I would say pedophilia is the same kind of disorder. THE DIFFERENCE is that being gay does not have negative impact on the rest of society, to me they are just generally annoying because they, like other people say, glorify being gay(I still think it's nothing to be proud of, but just accept the fact others are, and don't treat them poorly because of that), and just seem to have more "weird" values than the average person; by society standards anyway.
Pedophilia and child molestation are very different...
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On June 12 2013 23:20 Cinim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:12 DonKey_ wrote:On June 12 2013 23:08 Cinim wrote:On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote:Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women. Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever. I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago. Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again  USA isn't ahead on that, especially when you mention religion. In USA religion is used on a daily basis as an excuse for many thing, on that area USA is behind compared to most of the countries. The same goes with their attitude to the military. You're frequently being exposed to propaganda from both those areas, most other nations see it all the time in your shows, and whatnot. You're quite modern when it comes to tolerating homosexuality but not religion in general... The difference with the USA is that you will find much more opposition to the homophobic sentiments. You will still find plenty of homophobic individuals with an equal amount of hatred though. Not quite sure I know what you mean ^^ Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:12 Douillos wrote:On June 12 2013 23:08 Cinim wrote:On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote:Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women. Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever. I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago. Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again USA isn't ahead on that, especially when you mention religion. In USA religion is used on a daily basis as an excuse for many thing, on that area USA is behind compared to most of the countries. The same goes with their attitude to the military. You're frequently being exposed to propaganda from both those areas, most other nations see it all the time in your shows, and whatnot. You're quite modern when it comes to tolerating homosexuality but not religion in general... Yeah we Europeans sometime feel like we are ahead of the States in the way we separate the state and the church... And then right wing extremists start getting more and more votes, people protest every day against gay marriage, muslim grounds are vandalized (jewish ones also)... And then we remember that intolerance is just behind the corner and that it's an every day fight to keep the freedom we/our parents/grand-parents fought for. I didn't talk about all of europe as a whole, we are too diverse to say that. In scandinavia though, netherlands as well I know are very tolerant towards homosexuality. There has been only a few things in Denmark I know, where it's legal to get married as a gay couple but some priests didn't want to wed them. I don't know why you bring up the fight our previous generations were fighting in with the wards, you're talking about it as if we're in danger of another war. If you're implying that there is a "war" threatening the peace between us, within communites (straight vs gay or something) I think you're exaggerating quite significantly
Sorry I think I misunderstood your first post. I thought you were referring to the homosexuality bit, but I have re-read your post and that was not the case.
I think in general though the USA holds more opposition to to a greater amount of ideas, good or bad, more than just about any other country for better or worse. I believe it is this way as a result of the USA holding a larger amount of minority groups (not just racial) than any other country I can think of. For that reason I see the country as being naturally more divided on the majority of issues than a predominately homogeneous country.
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"3) We should feed starving people in Africa
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Athene would like to have a word with you.For them Kids!
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On June 12 2013 23:24 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:17 Jojo131 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:12 Klondikebar wrote:On June 12 2013 23:10 Jojo131 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:44 Douillos wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 Jojo131 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:28 jxx wrote:On June 12 2013 22:20 Jojo131 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:15 Mefano wrote:On June 12 2013 22:10 Jojo131 wrote:
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I'm almost convinced you just decided to sidestep what I just typed -_-
Being unable to empathize to biological processes of the opposite sex is a protruding disadvantage to same-sex couples, when the opportunity to seek external help isn't always available. According to what study? There's no statistics needed to be done. As a guy I can't invoke previous pains of being pregnant, or having a period. I cannot empathize with a woman's pain the same way another woman can. It's a type of emotional support I cannot provide as a man. This is completely ridiculous. So if your child loses a limb to some accident then he is gonna hate you because you can't empathize with that kind of pain since you never lost a limb? Everyone can understand pain and fathers/mothers feel more because there is a connection (love) involved, it doesn't matter if there aren't the same sex, when someone you love is in agony you feel for them and will be there for them no matter what, that is human nature. You can't anticipate that your child will lose a leg, so you have no agency in your inability to empathize in this situation. Being able to empathize with your child as she's pregnant/giving birth is dependent of whether you're a gay couple or not (ie. if you are then you cant, if you are not than you can). And of course you can still try to feel for them through love, but you're not as "there" with them as someone else who's shared the same experience. The significance of this factor is situational to the child and the incident. You did not answer my reply to you which insisted on the fact that a lot of people lack that kind of empathy though their parents, life is tough and not as many people as you think have both parents (accident, divorce, etc.)... But people seem to get through that and live happily anyways... Your argument is invalid because this case scenario already exists without Homoparentality. Then I dont think you understood my argument, which was (from the very beginning) that gay men couples are disadvantaged against heterosexual couples because they can't empathize with their pregnant daughters (when external help is not always available), because they can't provide the type of empathy which is exclusive to individual sex. It is NOT that gay men couples are disadvantaged against all other family structures, which seems to be where you were headed by drawing on single parents, divorces etc. You're correct in stating that other family structures (such as single parents) also cannot provide that type of empathy, in which case they are also disadvantaged (which shouldn't be too hard to understand right? 1<2?). But that does not shake the argument that there is a clear disadvantage for gay men couples with daughters, when external help is not always available. The significance of this ability to empathize is solely dependent on the child and the incident, whether she feels that she needs that type of support, which 2 men cannot provide. Like you though, I'm done beating on this dead horse. Thats all from me. Are you really truly done? Thank god. Because making claims with absolutely not evidence and straight up saying you don't need evidence for said claims is patently stupid. I'm guessing you didn't read my response to that message either, did you? It's like you're not reading what I'm saying, just so you can skip to your part just to tell me I'm wrong. Now that I'm done, please do go after everyone else making baseless claims (there's a lot more than just me. For the sake of being consistent of course. Dont make an exception for me just because I'm the only one who went up to say "I dont need stats to understand concepts that are relatively simple". (please actually do read what I said about that earlier message for clarity, geez" No. I've read all of your posts from start to finish. You provide a narrative, and then you say that narrative represents reality. Then when people ask you to demonstrate the connection with evidence, you refuse to because you say that your narrative speaks for itself. Logic doesn't work like that. If you want us to believe your narrative is in any way connected to reality, you have to provide evidence. Which you have not. If you truly believe that homosexual parents are disadvantaged at raising daughters because they cannot empathize with her biological functions, then you must be able to cite some study. If you have no study and simply made this theory up on the spot, then you have no reason for believing it and it's madness to expect us to believe it as well. And pretending like we don't believe you simply because we haven't read your narrative is moronic. Fiction doesn't become reality simply because the plot sounds good.
I agree with what you're saying, and would say the same if I was in your shoes and if this was a research paper. You're also correct to point out that my arguments are baseless. However, at least on the medium of an online discussion thread, purely for the sake of discussion, and provided that the claims aren't completely outlandish I think that this is fine. My question then is, do you expect everyone making a claim/argument here on TL to back it up with sources? Or that a discussion/narrative cannot be had online unless everyone else linked to a study? Anyone who draws a claim/narrative is projecting some type of reality, and if it's within reason (ie. pigs dont fly) then I don't feel it necessitates referencing given that this is just a discussion thread. If these are your expectations however, then I imagine you're well on your way to pointing out everyone else making claims for not having sources.
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On June 12 2013 23:39 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:33 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 23:29 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 23:27 DertoQq wrote:On June 12 2013 23:15 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:59 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:56 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:53 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:51 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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It's not their responsibility to change themselves for society or move away because they're not accepted. That line of thought is straight from the 13th century. It's society's job to accept people the way they are as long as they do no harm to others. And I don't know about anyone else but I don't feel especially harmed when I meet a homosexual person. Well, try to come here or Ukraine, Russia, Georgia on pride. Then you will understand what I am talking about. It's not 13th century it's different opinion. Just if westerners think gay is ok, it doesen't mean it actually is acceptable to everyone. Not everyone are same. Yeah, some people are racist or homophobic, what's your point? If 90% of people are homophobic, country can't protect pride. Neither gay people, ergo, parade would be more damaging than useful. That's my point. But it differs from west (and 90% of posters aren't from few named countries) and that's why I am fighting the wind here. Don't act or speak out against racism if you live in a racist country. Don't act or speak out against homophobia if you live in a homophobic country. Is that your message? It's a poor one. No, my message is that our countries aren't identical in every matter and you can't compare pride in London and pride here. It has nothing to do with your country, it has everything to do with YOU. If you started not to be homophobic like 90% of your people, it would be a big improvement already. And you know what the best thing is ? You don't even have to do anything about it ! Just stay in front of your computer screen and be like "hu? maybe I was wrong, gay people should also have rights !". And when the time comes and you have kids, tell them that. Enough people do that and you solved the homophobic problem in your country ! Actually I am doing it, I am just stating reasons behind this law. Society isnt ready for it and you cant force people to be gay friendly in a few years. About gay rights, I cant agree with all, as much as I couldnt agree if people who does sex with animals (which would be some kinda new topic but it's example) would want ALL the rights. So instead of forcing people to be gay friendly you go completely the other direction and encourage homophobia? Don't equate homosexuality with bestiality unless you want to discredit yourself even further than you already have. As someone who is pretty neutral on their opinion of gay... I can totally see that perspective. It is not natural (as it isn't way we were supposed to be born), just as bestiality is, however being gay is a lot more widespread of course. And I would say pedophilia is the same kind of disorder. THE DIFFERENCE is that being gay does not have negative impact on the rest of society, to me they are just generally annoying because they, like other people say, glorify being gay(I still think it's nothing to be proud of, but just accept the fact others are, and don't treat them poorly because of that), and just seem to have more "weird" values than the average person; by society standards anyway.
Impressive, you managed to get the buzzwords unnatural, bestiality and paedophilia into one post about homosexuality. My congratulations.
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On June 12 2013 21:25 Christ the Redeemer wrote:All I am saying is that for a healthy discussion.
So why would you support a law that essentially bans healthy discussion for a considerable group of people?
Denying information to people is pretty much never the way to go. Making it illegal to share information is generally simply stupid.
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I am not talking about neonazis lol. I am talking about young highly liberal , well educated people with good jobs. I know a lot of such people who have nothing aginst other races, religions, national minorities, but are strongly against gay rights.
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On June 12 2013 23:38 Cinim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them. The name already reveals the troll
No it doesn't.
But do explain, when a couple people share a voice about equality, why does everyone start to agree with them, and raise their voice to aid them. The only person you're screwing over with it is yourself(assuming you are straight).
I'm trying to find reasoning for this topic to be such an important topic to people. I've stayed out of this until now, because its like really... are we still going on about this? Why do people care so much?
EDIT: I'm trying to offer the more "radical" perspective here, just so people can actually have a second to think, no need to bash me for what I said. LOTS of people think what we don't here if it gets banned in countries, its not as if they don't have a brain. So analyze before you say the Russians are dumb/crazy/etc, and make an education decision whether it's a bad or good decision before being anti gay=awful. Maybe it's good for the common good in Russia.
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On June 12 2013 23:43 a_flayer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 21:25 Christ the Redeemer wrote:All I am saying is that for a healthy discussion. So why would you support a law that essentially bans healthy discussion for a considerable group of people? Denying information to people is pretty much never the way to go. Making it illegal to share information is generally simply stupid.
It goes without saying that when you deny bigots the ability to spread their bigotry they will play victim, even when there's tremendous irony in doing so. ^^
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It has nothing to do with religion.
Russia's population is dying. The death rate is much much higher than the birth rate, and the exorbitant amount of death during the Eastern front of World War II is remembered constantly by especially the older generation, which forms a considerable part of the Duma.
The result of this is that Russia is desperate to stabilize its population. I haven't seen it personally but I believe there is a government stipend for having a child on June 12, Russia Day. The point of all of this is that some in the government really want people to increase the birth rate, almost making it a patriotic duty.
Putin went on CNN before and said he was publicly discouraging homosexuality in an effort to encourage all to reproduce and possibly increase Russia's population. This is just an extension of that belief. The Church may support it and conservatives may support it but this is the underlying cause for a lot of the support among middle aged and older Russians.
I originally lived in Moscow and visit there at least once a year, my mom especially likes discussing this issue when it's brought up.
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On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them.
I think it has something to do with human intelligence, compassion, ethics. We need to transcend our "Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain" mentality. We are endowed with intelligence and wisdom to see other as our brothers and sisters.
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On June 12 2013 23:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Holy shit, finally something is being done.
So sick of this Gay movement thing all over the world, people are too squishy here, wanting to make everything fair and equal, they should know by now this isn't how the world operates.
If you are ontop of the food chain, why do you feel bad for all others to try and even everything out, I never understood it. Many examples are of this. Say you are a western white man, why do you all of the sudden feel:
1) Woman should have equal rights to you
2) No more slaves
3) We should feed starving people in Africa
4) Go liberalize the middle east or something
5) Give equal rights to homosexuals and bisexuals
6) No more animal cruelty
7) Helping incompetent disabled people
Not being a troll or anything, but seriously, if you are well off, why do you try and make everyone equal and make you poor in the process? Survival of the fittest, top of the food chain survives - which is the majority in the society. Maybe this is a crazy perspective, and I don't fully embrace it, but why is everyone so negative about this law? Are all the homosexuals on TL posting? Since to me everyone takes the group that is the well off, takes them as suckers, and tries to get to their level. And people buy that shit. Russia putting the hammer down, so good on them.
Because unlike the attitude you are displaying, people are not sociopaths.
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