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On June 12 2013 22:58 zmsFlood wrote:
Well done Russia. Way to be a backwater fking country
I'm all for people being happy being themselves but I don't think this makes them a back water country.
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On June 12 2013 22:54 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:50 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 theking1 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:32 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:21 theking1 wrote:I am suprised that so many homophobic posters exist in this forum.Sadly humanity until a great genocide happens does not learn its lesson.The Jews were persecuted for hundreds of years and only after Hitler commited the Hollocaust was antisemitism finally condemned.Now the gays are going to a simmilar process.until many of them are butchered no one will take any actions against inhumane violence against a group of human beings who have done nothing to no one and wish to live their life the way they decide  . I am here via phone so sry for not quoting you previous post. Aside from your terrible try to act as intelectual by writing my psychological profile, you completely misunderstood my point. I dont hate someone just for being gay, jew, black or whatever, I just dont want someone murdered or beatan up or damaged whole city just so they can walk 2 kms. If society doeeent approve it, deal with it, or youre saying its easier to change 7 million peoples then few hundreds of gays? Hey serbian homophobe thank you for replying! The discussion isnt about damage done to public space.the discussion is about this comment of yours: "I agree. I havent said that I wouldnt give them (some)rights. They are people after all. I would just like to stop parading and spreading homosexualism that much. But main thing is that here, parades arent really made for gays to get rights but to "inject finger in the eye" of straight people. Plus they get much of publicity as a unrelevant minority." Now answer my previous question: Would you say the same if a swiss politician decided to ban Serbian restaurants and Serbian dinner manifestations simply because he feels that serbians are "inject finger in the eye" of the western european populace and are an unrelevant minority?Just asking. Thank you in advance for your answer If society isn't ready to accept homosexualism why would you want to march on parades knowing that there would be some kind of trouble? If small group of Serbs in Switzerland would be unwanted just by their existing(from any reason), and country couldn't protect them, then I would request for ban personally for restaurant. It's not fair to Serbs but it is for other 99% of people living. You can't have perfect world where everyone is happy and satisfied. Thanks for manners Romanian realist! You really don't understand. The burden of change is on society, not on homosexuals to change or hide. Society is in the wrong, society must make itself right. In the meantime, because society has forced so many homosexuals to hide for so long, homosexuals have to have pride parades to show other gay people that they don't have to hide and that they aren't alone. It's a way to identify themselves. You're telling gay people to assimilate and hide instead of telling the shithead bigots to quit being bigots. You're part of the problem, you're not contributing to the solution.
Who are you to tell who has to change? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and whatnot, are they not?
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On June 12 2013 23:01 HaRuHi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:48 Douillos wrote:On June 12 2013 22:48 DonKey_ wrote:On June 12 2013 22:39 shekelberg wrote:On June 12 2013 22:36 HaRuHi wrote:On June 12 2013 22:28 shekelberg wrote:On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote:Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women. Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever. I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago. Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again Rape is also natural in animals, it doesn't mean it's good I am shocked and hurt. You do get the differnce between rape and the consensual act of love? Also: Come on Murrica. Free the shit out of them. Redeem yourself for all the wars you did for oil, do one for freedom. A 14 year old and a 40 year old both consent "in the name of love" do you support that too? When did pedophilia come into this and how does it relate on a 1:1 scale to homosexuality? Either you are just nitpicking his statement which has no relation to the thread or you are comparing homosexuality to pedophilia. Which if you do not know the difference between the two you can find the definitions quite easily or I can find them for you, as they are very different. He compared rape and homosexuality a few posts ago. Don't feed him, he gets uglier... Great, I hope you are happy. The poor thing starved before it had a chance to deliver pure internet gold.
I thought it was a good idea to stop him when he started talking about dolphins raping humans. :D
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436-0?
ZERO? did the mafia get involved and blackmail members of the parliament or something? how is this even possible
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On June 12 2013 23:01 gosublade wrote:
I bret that woman wants to scissor so hard that she gets dew every time she sees an attractive woman. but the peer pressure of surrounding mental midgets is too overwhelming to handle.
Russians arent born bad people, just more instinctly agressive than most others. Unfortunately the government turns that potential to control with hate. I have some extremely good hearted russian friends. I wonder how the people of russia responded to this.
I repeat for the hundreth time.Putin and other politicians do not care about gays.It is the Orthodox Church that blackmails and forces politicians to impose anti gay legislation.And considering over 80% of russins identify themselves as Orthodox the politicians do not stand a chance,
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On June 12 2013 23:00 cloneThorN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:33 theking1 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:28 shekelberg wrote:On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote:Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women. Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever. I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago. Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again Rape is also natural in animals, it doesn't mean it's good Do you have any evidence of rape in animals or are you just pulling facts up like the roman one some animals do rape, an example would be this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottlenose_dolphinTheres also a kind of scorpion(i think it's a scorpion, however i can't remember it's classefication) that wanders in desolated desserts, and only meet a female once or twice in it's entire life, so it's forced to rape the female in order to secure the survival of the species(it can't afford a rejection).
Why are you talking about animal rape ni this thread lol
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Think of how many movies will be banned from TV, and other areas where there is a risk of kids being exposed to even the slightest hints of gayness. Also, will how I met your mother be banned because one of the actors is gay in real life??
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On June 12 2013 23:03 AxUU wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:54 Klondikebar wrote:On June 12 2013 22:50 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 theking1 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:32 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:21 theking1 wrote:I am suprised that so many homophobic posters exist in this forum.Sadly humanity until a great genocide happens does not learn its lesson.The Jews were persecuted for hundreds of years and only after Hitler commited the Hollocaust was antisemitism finally condemned.Now the gays are going to a simmilar process.until many of them are butchered no one will take any actions against inhumane violence against a group of human beings who have done nothing to no one and wish to live their life the way they decide . I am here via phone so sry for not quoting you previous post. Aside from your terrible try to act as intelectual by writing my psychological profile, you completely misunderstood my point. I dont hate someone just for being gay, jew, black or whatever, I just dont want someone murdered or beatan up or damaged whole city just so they can walk 2 kms. If society doeeent approve it, deal with it, or youre saying its easier to change 7 million peoples then few hundreds of gays? Hey serbian homophobe thank you for replying! The discussion isnt about damage done to public space.the discussion is about this comment of yours: "I agree. I havent said that I wouldnt give them (some)rights. They are people after all. I would just like to stop parading and spreading homosexualism that much. But main thing is that here, parades arent really made for gays to get rights but to "inject finger in the eye" of straight people. Plus they get much of publicity as a unrelevant minority." Now answer my previous question: Would you say the same if a swiss politician decided to ban Serbian restaurants and Serbian dinner manifestations simply because he feels that serbians are "inject finger in the eye" of the western european populace and are an unrelevant minority?Just asking. Thank you in advance for your answer If society isn't ready to accept homosexualism why would you want to march on parades knowing that there would be some kind of trouble? If small group of Serbs in Switzerland would be unwanted just by their existing(from any reason), and country couldn't protect them, then I would request for ban personally for restaurant. It's not fair to Serbs but it is for other 99% of people living. You can't have perfect world where everyone is happy and satisfied. Thanks for manners Romanian realist! You really don't understand. The burden of change is on society, not on homosexuals to change or hide. Society is in the wrong, society must make itself right. In the meantime, because society has forced so many homosexuals to hide for so long, homosexuals have to have pride parades to show other gay people that they don't have to hide and that they aren't alone. It's a way to identify themselves. You're telling gay people to assimilate and hide instead of telling the shithead bigots to quit being bigots. You're part of the problem, you're not contributing to the solution. Who are you to tell who has to change? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and whatnot, are they not?
As long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of other human beings. -_-
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On June 12 2013 23:02 HTOMario wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:58 zmsFlood wrote:
Well done Russia. Way to be a backwater fking country I'm all for people being happy being themselves but I don't think this makes them a back water country.
No, but adding this to all of the other intolerable things going on in Russia nowadays, raises some serious questions....
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On June 12 2013 23:04 Christ the Redeemer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:00 cloneThorN wrote:On June 12 2013 22:33 theking1 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:28 shekelberg wrote:On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote:Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women. Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever. I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago. Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again Rape is also natural in animals, it doesn't mean it's good Do you have any evidence of rape in animals or are you just pulling facts up like the roman one some animals do rape, an example would be this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottlenose_dolphinTheres also a kind of scorpion(i think it's a scorpion, however i can't remember it's classefication) that wanders in desolated desserts, and only meet a female once or twice in it's entire life, so it's forced to rape the female in order to secure the survival of the species(it can't afford a rejection). Why are you talking about animal rape ni this thread lol
Look at the posts he replied to??
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On June 12 2013 23:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:
436-0?
ZERO? did the mafia get involved and blackmail members of the parliament or something? how is this even possible
Yep, it's the 0 that's actually pretty scary, and that's in isolation from whatever the legislation is. The lack of dissent is shocking, whatever is behind the lack of dissent must be terrifying and strong.
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On June 12 2013 22:36 HaRuHi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:28 shekelberg wrote:On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote:Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women. Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever. I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago. Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again Rape is also natural in animals, it doesn't mean it's good Also: Come on Murrica. Free the shit out of them. Redeem yourself for all the wars you did for oil, do one for freedom.
They're most likely not capable of doing that, or they would have already.
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On June 12 2013 23:04 Christ the Redeemer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:00 cloneThorN wrote:On June 12 2013 22:33 theking1 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:28 shekelberg wrote:On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote:Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women. Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever. I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago. Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again Rape is also natural in animals, it doesn't mean it's good Do you have any evidence of rape in animals or are you just pulling facts up like the roman one some animals do rape, an example would be this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottlenose_dolphinTheres also a kind of scorpion(i think it's a scorpion, however i can't remember it's classefication) that wanders in desolated desserts, and only meet a female once or twice in it's entire life, so it's forced to rape the female in order to secure the survival of the species(it can't afford a rejection). Why are you talking about animal rape ni this thread lol
I was just brining facts to a debate a fw posts back. I wasn't participating in it, just acting like a referee :p
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On June 12 2013 22:55 cloneThorN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:18 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:06 cloneThorN wrote:On June 12 2013 21:59 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 21:55 cloneThorN wrote:On June 12 2013 21:43 ZeRoX-45 wrote:
I am supportive about Russia and Ukraine about anti-homo laws. I wish my goverment could bring in the same legislative about this topic.
Main thing to question here is kind of the society you live in. In my country, Russia or some others, beng gay is unacceptable by large majority of people. So I do not understand the need if having marriages or parades if you know that people will brake half of the city apart that day or burn something if they accept gay marriages in some law. It's almost fault of gays as much as fault of people who do not want them on the streets.
On the other side, I know I can't change someones sexual behaviours but also I dont need to look at them few days per year. I dont also think orthodox chiristianity has something to do with this subject but here church(also Orthodox) is strongly opposing "pride" marches and that is one if the reasons here pride never sucedeed and never will. I would let them do whatever they want behind their walls but do not make us and our children watch that attrocious parade in the middle of capital. I agree on the pride thing. However, you said youself that you would "let them do whatever they want behind their walls", so why not just give them the same rights straights have? For instance, it will not affect straights at all, if gays are allowed to be married.(just an example). So why not just get it over with? The gay pride parades is a result of you oppressing them, so it's 100% your fault. You could easely make them stop the parades if you just give them the rights they want. I agree. I havent said that I wouldnt give them (some)rights. They are people after all. I would just like to stop parading and spreading homosexualism that much. But main thing is that here, parades arent really made for gays to get rights but to "inject finger in the eye" of straight people. Plus they get much of publicity as a unrelevant minority. I see two things wrong in your post, so i made them bold. 1st one is that you think homosexuality is srpead. Just like you can't convert gays to straights, you can't convert straighs to gays. 2nd one is your idea that the gay parade is to annoy straight people. The gay prides sole function is to make oppressed gays feel like they are welcome somewhere in society. Well, in my society they are not welcome. Thats why I think that parade isnt solely because of gay rights. Last gay parade, city was damaged like it was war and few millions of Euro's had to be payed ti repair it. And few times pride was stopped like that, so tell me how gays had profit from that? Let alone conversions, if you know current state of opinion about gays in some society, "spreading homo content" would maybe create more gays and more violence/damage to country. Call it stone age, but thats just the way it is here and probably in Russia. I think its much different in other European countries. Probably parades are peaceful and something normal. But if the pride's pourpose is to "get rights" why are there prides in countries which already claimed LGBT rights? I'm sorry, but reading this post made my head hurt. - As explained in my previous post, the purpose of pride parade, is to comfort oppressed homosexuals. The more you oppress them, the stronger need for a parade. - A few million euros worth of damagde was caused. Ok, tell me, who started this riot? Personally i think it's the same ind of scum, as the people throwing eggs like the ones in the bbc article. - Again, Homosexuality is not like a virus, it's not spread. - The reason we have pride parades in the west, is because there are still alot of people(nearly 100% of them are religious), that actively persecuted homosexuals. For example, here in Denmark, 20 year old man, was brutally murdered for no other reason than being gay. A fellow student knew he was gay, and stabbed him to death in full public. They also lack alot of rights. Only last year did some churches begin to accept homo marrigdes.
Well the main point of our disagreement is probably because you believe you can change millions of people and because you think goverment is so mighty, I think it's not. You can't just call millions of people scum, or large portion of believers just for having different of opinion. You can't be tolerant to everything.
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On June 12 2013 23:05 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:
436-0?
ZERO? did the mafia get involved and blackmail members of the parliament or something? how is this even possible Yep, it's the 0 that's actually pretty scary, and that's in isolation from whatever the legislation is. The lack of dissent is shocking, whatever is behind the lack of dissent must be terrifying and strong.
Orthodox Church+dictator putin=gg
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On June 12 2013 23:06 ZeRoX-45 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:55 cloneThorN wrote:On June 12 2013 22:18 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:06 cloneThorN wrote:On June 12 2013 21:59 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 21:55 cloneThorN wrote:On June 12 2013 21:43 ZeRoX-45 wrote:
I am supportive about Russia and Ukraine about anti-homo laws. I wish my goverment could bring in the same legislative about this topic.
Main thing to question here is kind of the society you live in. In my country, Russia or some others, beng gay is unacceptable by large majority of people. So I do not understand the need if having marriages or parades if you know that people will brake half of the city apart that day or burn something if they accept gay marriages in some law. It's almost fault of gays as much as fault of people who do not want them on the streets.
On the other side, I know I can't change someones sexual behaviours but also I dont need to look at them few days per year. I dont also think orthodox chiristianity has something to do with this subject but here church(also Orthodox) is strongly opposing "pride" marches and that is one if the reasons here pride never sucedeed and never will. I would let them do whatever they want behind their walls but do not make us and our children watch that attrocious parade in the middle of capital. I agree on the pride thing. However, you said youself that you would "let them do whatever they want behind their walls", so why not just give them the same rights straights have? For instance, it will not affect straights at all, if gays are allowed to be married.(just an example). So why not just get it over with? The gay pride parades is a result of you oppressing them, so it's 100% your fault. You could easely make them stop the parades if you just give them the rights they want. I agree. I havent said that I wouldnt give them (some)rights. They are people after all. I would just like to stop parading and spreading homosexualism that much. But main thing is that here, parades arent really made for gays to get rights but to "inject finger in the eye" of straight people. Plus they get much of publicity as a unrelevant minority. I see two things wrong in your post, so i made them bold. 1st one is that you think homosexuality is srpead. Just like you can't convert gays to straights, you can't convert straighs to gays. 2nd one is your idea that the gay parade is to annoy straight people. The gay prides sole function is to make oppressed gays feel like they are welcome somewhere in society. Well, in my society they are not welcome. Thats why I think that parade isnt solely because of gay rights. Last gay parade, city was damaged like it was war and few millions of Euro's had to be payed ti repair it. And few times pride was stopped like that, so tell me how gays had profit from that? Let alone conversions, if you know current state of opinion about gays in some society, "spreading homo content" would maybe create more gays and more violence/damage to country. Call it stone age, but thats just the way it is here and probably in Russia. I think its much different in other European countries. Probably parades are peaceful and something normal. But if the pride's pourpose is to "get rights" why are there prides in countries which already claimed LGBT rights? I'm sorry, but reading this post made my head hurt. - As explained in my previous post, the purpose of pride parade, is to comfort oppressed homosexuals. The more you oppress them, the stronger need for a parade. - A few million euros worth of damagde was caused. Ok, tell me, who started this riot? Personally i think it's the same ind of scum, as the people throwing eggs like the ones in the bbc article. - Again, Homosexuality is not like a virus, it's not spread. - The reason we have pride parades in the west, is because there are still alot of people(nearly 100% of them are religious), that actively persecuted homosexuals. For example, here in Denmark, 20 year old man, was brutally murdered for no other reason than being gay. A fellow student knew he was gay, and stabbed him to death in full public. They also lack alot of rights. Only last year did some churches begin to accept homo marrigdes. Well the main point of our disagreement is probably because you believe you can change millions of people and because you think goverment is so mighty, I think it's not. You can't just call millions of people scum, or large portion of believers just for having different of opinion. You can't be tolerant to everything.
True tolerance is being tolerant to intolerance. You're welcome.
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On June 12 2013 23:07 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 23:05 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2013 23:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:
436-0?
ZERO? did the mafia get involved and blackmail members of the parliament or something? how is this even possible Yep, it's the 0 that's actually pretty scary, and that's in isolation from whatever the legislation is. The lack of dissent is shocking, whatever is behind the lack of dissent must be terrifying and strong. Orthodox Church+dictator putin=gg
no re (if possible! 
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On June 12 2013 23:06 AxUU wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:36 HaRuHi wrote:On June 12 2013 22:28 shekelberg wrote:On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote:Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women. Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever. I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago. Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again Rape is also natural in animals, it doesn't mean it's good Also: Come on Murrica. Free the shit out of them. Redeem yourself for all the wars you did for oil, do one for freedom. They're most likely not capable of doing that, or they would have already.
That's not how politics and international relations work... -_-
Jesus christ how old are you?!
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On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote:Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women. Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever. I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago. Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again
USA isn't ahead on that, especially when you mention religion. In USA religion is used on a daily basis as an excuse for many thing, on that area USA is behind compared to most of the countries. The same goes with their attitude to the military. You're frequently being exposed to propaganda from both those areas, most other nations see it all the time in your shows, and whatnot. You're quite modern when it comes to tolerating homosexuality but not religion in general...
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On June 12 2013 23:00 ZeRoX-45 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:54 Klondikebar wrote:On June 12 2013 22:50 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:40 theking1 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:32 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:21 theking1 wrote:I am suprised that so many homophobic posters exist in this forum.Sadly humanity until a great genocide happens does not learn its lesson.The Jews were persecuted for hundreds of years and only after Hitler commited the Hollocaust was antisemitism finally condemned.Now the gays are going to a simmilar process.until many of them are butchered no one will take any actions against inhumane violence against a group of human beings who have done nothing to no one and wish to live their life the way they decide . I am here via phone so sry for not quoting you previous post. Aside from your terrible try to act as intelectual by writing my psychological profile, you completely misunderstood my point. I dont hate someone just for being gay, jew, black or whatever, I just dont want someone murdered or beatan up or damaged whole city just so they can walk 2 kms. If society doeeent approve it, deal with it, or youre saying its easier to change 7 million peoples then few hundreds of gays? Hey serbian homophobe thank you for replying! The discussion isnt about damage done to public space.the discussion is about this comment of yours: "I agree. I havent said that I wouldnt give them (some)rights. They are people after all. I would just like to stop parading and spreading homosexualism that much. But main thing is that here, parades arent really made for gays to get rights but to "inject finger in the eye" of straight people. Plus they get much of publicity as a unrelevant minority." Now answer my previous question: Would you say the same if a swiss politician decided to ban Serbian restaurants and Serbian dinner manifestations simply because he feels that serbians are "inject finger in the eye" of the western european populace and are an unrelevant minority?Just asking. Thank you in advance for your answer If society isn't ready to accept homosexualism why would you want to march on parades knowing that there would be some kind of trouble? If small group of Serbs in Switzerland would be unwanted just by their existing(from any reason), and country couldn't protect them, then I would request for ban personally for restaurant. It's not fair to Serbs but it is for other 99% of people living. You can't have perfect world where everyone is happy and satisfied. Thanks for manners Romanian realist! You really don't understand. The burden of change is on society, not on homosexuals to change or hide. Society is in the wrong, society must make itself right. In the meantime, because society has forced so many homosexuals to hide for so long, homosexuals have to have pride parades to show other gay people that they don't have to hide and that they aren't alone. It's a way to identify themselves. You're telling gay people to assimilate and hide instead of telling the shithead bigots to quit being bigots. You're part of the problem, you're not contributing to the solution. I agree but I am saying that percentage of homophobic people isn't same in every country.
If that's really all you're saying, then you're not telling us anything that isn't obvious and you're not saying anything meaningful. Perhaps you'd be better served by simply reading the thread instead of trying to contribute.
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