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On February 17 2018 04:47 crms wrote:
The best part of reading through the indictment so far has been the naming of the twitter account, @TEN_GOP. I know i had to tell Danglars at least once how bullshit that account was when he linked their tweets. Hilarious.
That account followed me on Twitter when I tweeted about the debates back in 2016, I didn't think too much about it then since it looked just like any other right-wing account
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The most important unsaid piece of the indictment today is the fact that Mueller had any of this information at all. You think Russia cooperated, and gave this information willingly? Nope.
It came from Americans. Because people knew. The CAMPAIGN knew. Mueller has only been interviewing campaign associates and members. There's literally nowhere else it could have come from. That means this case is already rock-solid.
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This kind of flew under the radar from the Russian indictments.
This is a Western name, I'd never heard of, running an online money-laundering scheme, which is somehow connected to all this. And now he's looking to plea!
So much fun!
On February 17 2018 03:43 Introvert wrote:
Schiff has been saying this since last summer basically. If you ignore Nunes ignore Schiff.
If only I had more than two eyes to roll. Make equivalencies! Obfuscate! Deflect!
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On February 17 2018 04:52 Leporello wrote:https://twitter.com/dfriedman33/status/964574545494593536This kind of flew under the radar from the Russian indictments. This is a Western name, I'd never heard of, running an online money-laundering scheme, which is somehow connected to all this. And now he's looking to plea! So much fun!
He apparently dealt with hundreds of bank accounts linked to this conspiracy from what I heard.
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Remind me how we'd all best be served by ignoring the Russia thing?
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On February 17 2018 04:53 NewSunshine wrote:
Remind me how we'd all best be served by ignoring the Russia thing?
Because the best course of action was always to let Mueller do his thing and come out with the case and then use that to get things done rather than work up a fervor that's built up this conspiracy-like angle to it from some people which just makes the political aspect of the whole thing much harder.
Plus on top of all this at worst you deal with Trump, but it doesn't necessarily mean that much for the Republicans who basically push the same agenda in a nicer looking package.
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I on the other hand think we should focus all of our attention on the Russia matter - who’s guilty, who talked to Spymaster Kislyak, who we could use as leverage to get Trump impeached, and so on. The investigation won’t conclude fast enough to get the result we need.
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On February 17 2018 05:06 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 04:53 NewSunshine wrote:
Remind me how we'd all best be served by ignoring the Russia thing? Because the best course of action was always to let Mueller do his thing and come out with the case and then use that to get things done rather than work up a fervor that's built up this conspiracy-like angle to it from some people which just makes the political aspect of the whole thing much harder. Plus on top of all this at worst you deal with Trump, but it doesn't necessarily mean that much for the Republicans who basically push the same agenda in a nicer looking package.
I'm not for pushing this into conspiracy territory, I'm into letting it run its course and see where it leads, naturally. Doesn't mean we should just act like it doesn't exist and not talk about it as things develop. I know certain people here would rather we didn't, but that's not how this stuff works.
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On February 17 2018 05:17 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 05:06 Logo wrote:On February 17 2018 04:53 NewSunshine wrote:
Remind me how we'd all best be served by ignoring the Russia thing? Because the best course of action was always to let Mueller do his thing and come out with the case and then use that to get things done rather than work up a fervor that's built up this conspiracy-like angle to it from some people which just makes the political aspect of the whole thing much harder. Plus on top of all this at worst you deal with Trump, but it doesn't necessarily mean that much for the Republicans who basically push the same agenda in a nicer looking package. I'm not for pushing this into conspiracy territory, I'm into letting it run its course and see where it leads, naturally. Doesn't mean we should just act like it doesn't exist and not talk about it as things develop. I know certain people here would rather we didn't, but that's not how this stuff works.
Yeah that I agree with for sure! It's interesting seeing where everything goes and what is coming out, but I'm just so tired of how casually some people are dipping into unfounded conspiracy talks and accusations.
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russia started this 1 year before i ran for president therefore no collusion
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The Mueller investigation has structural issues that keep it from being constant front page news. The Mueller team doesn't leak and isn't filled with treacherous flatterers who long for attention from WaPo and NYT reporters. Whereas the White House is stuffed to the brim with incompetent primadonnas who would happily leak every stupid thing Trump says or does to anyone who would listen at WaPo and NYT. Because Mueller runs an actual leak-proof operation, we can't sit here and learn in real time what he is doing. We only get to see things when they get filed as indictments or as people take plea deals. The mature response is to simply wait and see, but also acknowledge that every Republican shouting FAKE NEWS is completely full shit and always has been.
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The Russia "thing" or "matter" is very much tied to our political culture. We can argue how much effect it had on people's votes. But I don't trust the people most effected to now have the awareness to self-evaluate *cough cough*. It is the biggest political crime in American history, by far, I do believe.
Compare it to Nixon. Nixon didn't use foreign-assets to influence a campaign. Nixon's crimes were quite banal and meaningless when it comes to our political processes. What's happened is here is much more important than what happened with Nixon, explicitly because we are all involved and were impacted by this stuff. We learned today that Russia spent millions of dollars per month on this. They weren't burning money for the fuck of it. They had a goal and a purpose, and it involved everyday American minds.
Let's remember this is just one set of indictments. Trump's lawyer is acting like this is the end of the entire investigation. It obviously isn't. There are trials still to come, and no one knows if more indictments are coming. The Trump camp is eager to cast today's news as some exoneration, as these indictments don't include anyone from Trump's camp.
This rhetorical futility will meet its inevitable demise at the trial of Paul Manafort, if not sooner.
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Something about the lady and how much she protests.
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Apparently Donald missed the part in the "fake dossier" and elsewhere that alleges Russia has been cozying up to him since 2013, and possibly sooner.
He neglects to mention he ran for President in 2012.
He neglects to mention his "birth certificate" campaign against Obama. An extremely political act that started well before 2014.
People need to revisit Trump's "birther movement" -- which he started. When you look at the absurdity of it, how it came from "nowhere", and how he handled it -- that whole thing was straight out of the Russian pol-propaganda playbook. It is the type of absurd thing you'd expect Putin to say about a political opponent. My guess has long been that it was Putin, not just Trump, but via Trump, asking for Obama's birth-certificate.
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"Therefore, I'm going to continue bending over backwards to do things which help Russia, like not implementing these sanctions everyone voted for."
Good job Donald! No conspiracy here folks, you heard him!
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I'm surprised Twitter, and Facebook have not hit the nuclear button and gone on a rampage to find and destroy the accounts of bots, and their hosts but then again this is their bread and butter to appear relevant.
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On February 17 2018 05:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:I'm surprised Twitter, and Facebook have not hit the nuclear button and gone on a rampage to find and destroy the accounts of bots, and their hosts but then again this is their bread and butter to appear relevant. https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/964593937703981058
I'm just spitballing here but could it be that the activity generated by the bots/troll accounts brings in a ton of money from advertising revenue?
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That is pretty much it and since they are publicly traded companies they need those fake users to prop up the numbers to survive.
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