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On February 17 2018 03:41 Ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 03:39 ticklishmusic wrote:
Nothing implicating Trump (yet), but seems like official recognition that Russians were fucking with the election is a fairly important milestone. Actually: "Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said Wednesday that the House Intelligence Committee has an “abundance” of information that is not yet public, including evidence that President Trump's campaign colluded with Russia and that his administration obstructed justice. “There is certainly an abundance of non-public information that we’ve gathered in the investigation. And I think some of that non-public evidence is evidence on the issue of collusion and some ... on the issue of obstruction,” Schiff said, according to The Guardian." http://thehill.com/homenews/house/373985-schiff-house-russia-probe-has-evidence-of-collusion-obstructionIt's literally a 2 piece puzzle.
Schiff has been saying this since last summer basically. If you ignore Nunes ignore Schiff.
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On February 17 2018 03:39 ticklishmusic wrote:
Nothing implicating Trump (yet), but seems like official recognition that Russians were fucking with the election is a fairly important milestone.
I think there are a lot of weird societal dynamics in play. The psychology of tribalism doesn't make it very easy to suddenly declare "your team" did something bad. You have to massage people into having some amount of open mindedness before anyone is ever willing to say the tribe they identify with may have done something bad.
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On February 17 2018 03:43 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 03:41 Ayaz2810 wrote:On February 17 2018 03:39 ticklishmusic wrote:
Nothing implicating Trump (yet), but seems like official recognition that Russians were fucking with the election is a fairly important milestone. Actually: "Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said Wednesday that the House Intelligence Committee has an “abundance” of information that is not yet public, including evidence that President Trump's campaign colluded with Russia and that his administration obstructed justice. “There is certainly an abundance of non-public information that we’ve gathered in the investigation. And I think some of that non-public evidence is evidence on the issue of collusion and some ... on the issue of obstruction,” Schiff said, according to The Guardian." http://thehill.com/homenews/house/373985-schiff-house-russia-probe-has-evidence-of-collusion-obstructionIt's literally a 2 piece puzzle. Schiff has been saying this since last summer basically. If you ignore Nunes ignore Schiff.
Uh... no. One is working for the WH, the other is performing an investigation. Equating the two is the dumbest shit I've seen posted in this thread (and I've seen a lot of dumb shit).
Don't even try to play that game.
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Russian meddling has been the official government position since when, Dec 2016?
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On February 17 2018 03:45 Ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 03:43 Introvert wrote:On February 17 2018 03:41 Ayaz2810 wrote:On February 17 2018 03:39 ticklishmusic wrote:
Nothing implicating Trump (yet), but seems like official recognition that Russians were fucking with the election is a fairly important milestone. Actually: "Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said Wednesday that the House Intelligence Committee has an “abundance” of information that is not yet public, including evidence that President Trump's campaign colluded with Russia and that his administration obstructed justice. “There is certainly an abundance of non-public information that we’ve gathered in the investigation. And I think some of that non-public evidence is evidence on the issue of collusion and some ... on the issue of obstruction,” Schiff said, according to The Guardian." http://thehill.com/homenews/house/373985-schiff-house-russia-probe-has-evidence-of-collusion-obstructionIt's literally a 2 piece puzzle. Schiff has been saying this since last summer basically. If you ignore Nunes ignore Schiff. Uh... no. One is working for the WH, the other is performing an investigation. Equating the two is the dumbest shit I've seen posted in this thread (and I've seen a lot of dumb shit). Don't even try to play that game.
Yes, Schiff had provided great evidence that he's an impartrial truth seeker.
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On February 17 2018 03:46 Introvert wrote:
Russian meddling has been the official government position since when, Dec 2016?
Depends on what your vague "official government position" line means.Trump has always denied it, so does that make it still unofficial? Regardless, it's been going on a lot longer.
"September 2015 - The FBI contacts the Democratic National Committee's help desk, cautioning the IT department that at least one computer has been compromised by Russian hackers. A technician scans the system and does not find anything suspicious."
https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html
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On February 17 2018 03:47 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 03:45 Ayaz2810 wrote:On February 17 2018 03:43 Introvert wrote:On February 17 2018 03:41 Ayaz2810 wrote:On February 17 2018 03:39 ticklishmusic wrote:
Nothing implicating Trump (yet), but seems like official recognition that Russians were fucking with the election is a fairly important milestone. Actually: "Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said Wednesday that the House Intelligence Committee has an “abundance” of information that is not yet public, including evidence that President Trump's campaign colluded with Russia and that his administration obstructed justice. “There is certainly an abundance of non-public information that we’ve gathered in the investigation. And I think some of that non-public evidence is evidence on the issue of collusion and some ... on the issue of obstruction,” Schiff said, according to The Guardian." http://thehill.com/homenews/house/373985-schiff-house-russia-probe-has-evidence-of-collusion-obstructionIt's literally a 2 piece puzzle. Schiff has been saying this since last summer basically. If you ignore Nunes ignore Schiff. Uh... no. One is working for the WH, the other is performing an investigation. Equating the two is the dumbest shit I've seen posted in this thread (and I've seen a lot of dumb shit). Don't even try to play that game. Yes, Schiff had provided great evidence that he's an impartrial truth seeker.
I know you're being sarcastic, but that's literally what he's done thus far.
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On February 17 2018 03:46 Introvert wrote:
Russian meddling has been the official government position since when, Dec 2016?
Depends on how you define official and how you define meddling. The government (absent Trump and toadies) has been in pretty much lockstep since October 2016 on the issue (joint intelligence statement). starting with the DNC hacks and continuing on.
I think more than anything these indictments are to try to make things harder for similar interventions in the midterms (especially since we recently had congressional testimony that we're wholly unprepared). We'll see though.
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On February 17 2018 03:49 Ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 03:46 Introvert wrote:
Russian meddling has been the official government position since when, Dec 2016? Depends on what your vague "official government position" line means.Trump has always denied it, so does that make it still unofficial? Regardless, it's been going on a lot longer. "September 2015 - The FBI contacts the Democratic National Committee's help desk, cautioning the IT department that at least one computer has been compromised by Russian hackers. A technician scans the system and does not find anything suspicious." https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html
Look at the date on the story. It was around end 2016 that they publicly said something, if memory serves.
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I mean, the Justice Department has been investigating interference (which we pretty much all knew happened), and now they've come out and said "yeah, so that definitely happened". It's a bit of a formality, but one that I think matters. Now you have the official Trump line vs the official Justice Dept line out there.
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On February 17 2018 03:54 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 03:49 Ayaz2810 wrote:On February 17 2018 03:46 Introvert wrote:
Russian meddling has been the official government position since when, Dec 2016? Depends on what your vague "official government position" line means.Trump has always denied it, so does that make it still unofficial? Regardless, it's been going on a lot longer. "September 2015 - The FBI contacts the Democratic National Committee's help desk, cautioning the IT department that at least one computer has been compromised by Russian hackers. A technician scans the system and does not find anything suspicious." https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html Look at the date on the story. It was around end 2016 that they publicly said something, if memory serves.
It was released before that on the Home Land Security website, the day the access Hollywood story broke. Internally it was the position of the government for longer, but they did not want to appear to be influencing the election by bringing up top until that date.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/us/politics/jeh-johnson-testimony-russian-election-hacking.html
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On February 17 2018 03:54 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 03:49 Ayaz2810 wrote:On February 17 2018 03:46 Introvert wrote:
Russian meddling has been the official government position since when, Dec 2016? Depends on what your vague "official government position" line means.Trump has always denied it, so does that make it still unofficial? Regardless, it's been going on a lot longer. "September 2015 - The FBI contacts the Democratic National Committee's help desk, cautioning the IT department that at least one computer has been compromised by Russian hackers. A technician scans the system and does not find anything suspicious." https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html Look at the date on the story. It was around end 2016 that they publicly said something, if memory serves.
It was September I think. I'll have to dig a bit. The fact remains that it was going on for years. And while it was originally intended to just sow discord and distrust in one another and the process, at some point it changed to getting Trump elected. Given what we already know, like statements from Papadapolous offering to set up a meeting with Putin, it looks increasingly likely that this conspiracy involved the campaign. It's practically certain simply based on publicly available information and reporting. We are just waiting for the official word is all.
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On February 17 2018 03:56 ticklishmusic wrote:
I mean, the Justice Department has been investigating interference (which we pretty much all knew happened), and now they've come out and said "yeah, so that definitely happened". It's a bit of a formality, but one that I think matters. Now you have the official Trump line vs the official Justice Dept line out there.
The Mueller investigation is not the same as the DoJ.
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Edit: Nvm misread.
With Gates also dealing soon, things are going to get interesting soon I feel.
Also, glad to see this indictment in light of our Russian interference argument on these forums recently. Everyone knows they were involved. Well, except maybe Trump.
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On February 17 2018 04:00 On_Slaught wrote:
Edit: Nvm misread.
Lots of weird head-in-the-sand posting going on. Reminds me of the people who yap about Rob Porter and "due process" etc.
"Bro, we don't REALLY know."
Yes we do.
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On February 17 2018 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 03:56 ticklishmusic wrote:
I mean, the Justice Department has been investigating interference (which we pretty much all knew happened), and now they've come out and said "yeah, so that definitely happened". It's a bit of a formality, but one that I think matters. Now you have the official Trump line vs the official Justice Dept line out there. The Mueller investigation is not the same as the DoJ.
Rosenstein came out and did a presser about it. He's the head of the DoJ, so him saying it even if it was because of the Mueller investigation pretty much makes it the official line.
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Epic timing is epic.
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/O7GpIxJ.png)
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I say again, head-in-the-sand.
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/e3tGVm0.png)
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The best part of reading through the indictment so far has been the naming of the twitter account, @TEN_GOP. I know i had to tell Danglars at least once how bullshit that account was when he linked their tweet about CNN coverage. Hilarious.
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On February 17 2018 04:47 crms wrote:
The best part of reading through the indictment so far has been the naming of the twitter account, @TEN_GOP. I know i had to tell Danglars at least once how bullshit that account was when he linked their tweets. Hilarious.
Over 100k followers. People are so gullible.
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