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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-16 18:09:06
February 16 2018 18:08 GMT
#198421
Guarantee you the only way this will be mentioned on Fox is quoting that the indictment says the Trump campaign was unwitting when it coordinated with these individuals.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 16 2018 18:10 GMT
#198422
On February 17 2018 03:02 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2018 03:00 Plansix wrote:

Didn't someone say that the investigation had moved on to Obstruction of Justice because they found nothing on Russia trying to interfere in the elections?

Also, I wonder if these Russians are in the US where they can be arrested or if they are in Russia who will (I assume) never ever extradite them.


Yeah, definitely just a symbolic gesture if they aren't anywhere in the American empire.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5027 Posts
February 16 2018 18:14 GMT
#198423
On February 17 2018 02:40 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2018 02:34 Introvert wrote:
On February 17 2018 02:23 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Hey Introvert, whilst you are actively posting, do republicans want to, or don't want to deport dreamers, or is the cognitive dissonance too great for you yet?


I don't really know you or why you have been such a massive ass the few times you've posted at me but it doesn't make me feel like responding would be useful.

But for the posters in this thread who are still using their brains: No, the large majority of GOP politicians don't want Dreamers deported and know if this fails very few will (as the Democrats know as well). Reporting has indicated this as well.


Maybe the misunderstanding is coming from the question of why republicans don't want to deport dreamers. Why do GOP politicians not want to deport dreamers? Because it is a messed up thing to do or other reasons?


Many of them feel bad for them, I'm sure. I'm not sure that's important though.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 16 2018 18:15 GMT
#198424
On February 17 2018 03:14 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2018 02:40 Mohdoo wrote:
On February 17 2018 02:34 Introvert wrote:
On February 17 2018 02:23 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Hey Introvert, whilst you are actively posting, do republicans want to, or don't want to deport dreamers, or is the cognitive dissonance too great for you yet?


I don't really know you or why you have been such a massive ass the few times you've posted at me but it doesn't make me feel like responding would be useful.

But for the posters in this thread who are still using their brains: No, the large majority of GOP politicians don't want Dreamers deported and know if this fails very few will (as the Democrats know as well). Reporting has indicated this as well.


Maybe the misunderstanding is coming from the question of why republicans don't want to deport dreamers. Why do GOP politicians not want to deport dreamers? Because it is a messed up thing to do or other reasons?


Many of them feel bad for them, I'm sure. I'm not sure that's important though.


What is important? What would motivate a GOP politician to vote in favor of protecting dreamers?
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5027 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-16 18:20:33
February 16 2018 18:16 GMT
#198425
Nah, Russian interference is not collusion. Nor
is even the attempt to find the useful idiots in the Trump campaign. Remember Rosenstein made Mueller's mandate so broad that this part of the investigation is under his purview, when it could presumably be part of regular DOJ activities.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 16 2018 18:18 GMT
#198426
"Some Defendants, posing as US persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5027 Posts
February 16 2018 18:19 GMT
#198427
On February 17 2018 03:15 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2018 03:14 Introvert wrote:
On February 17 2018 02:40 Mohdoo wrote:
On February 17 2018 02:34 Introvert wrote:
On February 17 2018 02:23 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Hey Introvert, whilst you are actively posting, do republicans want to, or don't want to deport dreamers, or is the cognitive dissonance too great for you yet?


I don't really know you or why you have been such a massive ass the few times you've posted at me but it doesn't make me feel like responding would be useful.

But for the posters in this thread who are still using their brains: No, the large majority of GOP politicians don't want Dreamers deported and know if this fails very few will (as the Democrats know as well). Reporting has indicated this as well.


Maybe the misunderstanding is coming from the question of why republicans don't want to deport dreamers. Why do GOP politicians not want to deport dreamers? Because it is a messed up thing to do or other reasons?


Many of them feel bad for them, I'm sure. I'm not sure that's important though.


What is important? What would motivate a GOP politician to vote in favor of protecting dreamers?


Why does it matter? Most of them are willing, for whatever for their own reason. You are trying to go back to the moral question without addressing the other half of it.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-16 18:20:54
February 16 2018 18:19 GMT
#198428
Well, holy shit. They employed a day shift and a night shift to make sure they had 24 hour coverage.

EDIT: I think we're reaching end-game personally.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/374233-russians-charged-with-interfering-in-us-elections
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 16 2018 18:19 GMT
#198429
On February 17 2018 03:18 xDaunt wrote:
"Some Defendants, posing as US persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities."


lol what are you quoting
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 16 2018 18:20 GMT
#198430
Collusion isn't a crime, so it doesn't matter. Conspiracy to receive or obtain material support from a foreign power is a crime, however. Along with obstruction of justice. And considering that a bunch of people close to Trump's camp have plea deals, there is not conclusion as to how many people may have committed crimes.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
February 16 2018 18:21 GMT
#198431
On February 17 2018 03:19 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2018 03:18 xDaunt wrote:
"Some Defendants, posing as US persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities."


lol what are you quoting



Read my post above yours.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 16 2018 18:22 GMT
#198432
On February 17 2018 03:19 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2018 03:18 xDaunt wrote:
"Some Defendants, posing as US persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities."


lol what are you quoting

Part of the indictment. It makes it clear that these charges have nothing to do with the Trump campaign. It doesn't mean that Trump's out of the woods, but it certainly doesn't hurt him.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 16 2018 18:22 GMT
#198433
On February 17 2018 03:19 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2018 03:18 xDaunt wrote:
"Some Defendants, posing as US persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities."


lol what are you quoting

The story from the Hill. It also has this quote:

“From in or around 2014 to the present, Defendants knowingly and intentionally conspired with each other (and with persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury) to defraud the United States by impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful functions of the government through fraud and deceit for the purpose of interfering with the U.S. political and electoral processes, including the presidential election of 2016,” the indictment reads.


http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/374233-russians-charged-with-interfering-in-us-elections
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
February 16 2018 18:26 GMT
#198434
[image loading]
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5027 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-16 18:34:53
February 16 2018 18:33 GMT
#198435
The "throw it at the wall strat." Some fun items in the whole thread.




LOL




Sorry for all the tweets.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 16 2018 18:35 GMT
#198436
On February 17 2018 03:26 Ayaz2810 wrote:
[image loading]

Pales in comparison to this one.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
February 16 2018 18:38 GMT
#198437
On February 17 2018 03:35 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2018 03:26 Ayaz2810 wrote:
[image loading]

Pales in comparison to this one.


LOL. It's not really funny, but it kinda is. Know what I mean?
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 16 2018 18:39 GMT
#198438
Nothing implicating Trump (yet), but seems like official recognition that Russians were fucking with the election is a fairly important milestone.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
February 16 2018 18:41 GMT
#198439
On February 17 2018 03:39 ticklishmusic wrote:
Nothing implicating Trump (yet), but seems like official recognition that Russians were fucking with the election is a fairly important milestone.


Actually:

"Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said Wednesday that the House Intelligence Committee has an “abundance” of information that is not yet public, including evidence that President Trump's campaign colluded with Russia and that his administration obstructed justice.

“There is certainly an abundance of non-public information that we’ve gathered in the investigation. And I think some of that non-public evidence is evidence on the issue of collusion and some ... on the issue of obstruction,” Schiff said, according to The Guardian."

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/373985-schiff-house-russia-probe-has-evidence-of-collusion-obstruction

It's literally a 2 piece puzzle.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 16 2018 18:42 GMT
#198440
On February 17 2018 03:33 Introvert wrote:
The "throw it at the wall strat." Some fun items in the whole thread.

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/964561782953136128


LOL

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/964563694599528449


Sorry for all the tweets.

The nice thing about this is that is dispels any concept that there was a master plan. The goal was to just do anything and see what people latched on to. Quantity over quality. The money sent to buy the cage is a great example. It’s really dumb, but after Trump’s robo cop style acceptable speech at the Republican national convention, it doesn’t seem “completely” impossible. If someone wants to believe it, they will.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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