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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18017 Posts
February 16 2018 14:04 GMT
#198381
On February 16 2018 22:52 Plansix wrote:
There are going to be a bunch of journalists at the WSJ that are going to be rethinking how long they want to stay at a paper that buries stories like that.

Huh? It was the "National Enquirer" that buried it, not the WSJ... and if you work at that tabloid trash, I don't think you give a shit about what your boss publishes or not.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-16 14:06:37
February 16 2018 14:05 GMT
#198382
Sanders will blame the FBI at today's press briefing, just watch.

One of former White House staff secretary Rob Porter's ex-wives provided photos of a black eye that Porter allegedly gave her to the FBI a week after President Trump's inauguration last year, according to a CNN report.

The ex-wife, Colbie Holderness, gave the photos to the FBI as part of a security clearance background check on Porter.

It is not clear if the photos were given to the White House, CNN reported, but it is likely that the FBI would have at least provided a synopsis of the images.

Porter resigned from his White House post last week after allegations emerged publicly that the aide had physically and emotionally abused Holderness and another one of his ex-wives. Porter has denied those allegations.

The episode has raised questions about what senior White House officials knew about the allegations, and when. It has also prompted questions about why Porter was allowed to continue working in a position that required him to handle classified material, even though he never obtained a full security clearance.

Media reports have indicated that senior White House officials, including White House counsel Don McGahn, new about the allegations for months before they surfaced publicly.

The White House has said that senior officials were unaware of the full extent of the allegations until last week, when photos of Holderness' black eye began circulating.

Under past presidential administrations, according to CNN, security clearance lawyers in the White House counsel's office would have been given access to an official's background check file if the FBI returned it to the White House personnel security office.

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said this week that the White House followed the same clearance procedures as past administrations.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 16 2018 14:07 GMT
#198383
On February 16 2018 23:04 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2018 22:52 Plansix wrote:
There are going to be a bunch of journalists at the WSJ that are going to be rethinking how long they want to stay at a paper that buries stories like that.

Huh? It was the "National Enquirer" that buried it, not the WSJ... and if you work at that tabloid trash, I don't think you give a shit about what your boss publishes or not.

Woops, my bad. I misread that on my phone and thought the journal bought the story.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 16 2018 14:21 GMT
#198384
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23257 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-16 14:33:26
February 16 2018 14:24 GMT
#198385
On February 16 2018 23:21 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/964477447600263169


Didn't even make it to the house eh?

We sure it would have passed if it did (and got a vote)?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 16 2018 14:40 GMT
#198386
On February 16 2018 23:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2018 23:21 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/964477447600263169


Didn't even make it to the house eh?

We sure it would have passed if it did (and got a vote)?

Its weird that you mock people for hoping a bill passes and 1.8 million people don’t get deported. Its like you enjoy it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-16 14:52:53
February 16 2018 14:52 GMT
#198387
Of the four plans voted on, the Trump backed one got the fewest votes (39). Apparently the House version is closest to that one, so it will die in the Senate too.

Starting to worry these fools may actually fuck up what should be a layup...
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23257 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-16 14:54:03
February 16 2018 14:53 GMT
#198388
On February 16 2018 23:40 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2018 23:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:21 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/964477447600263169


Didn't even make it to the house eh?

We sure it would have passed if it did (and got a vote)?

Its weird that you mock people for hoping a bill passes and 1.8 million people don’t get deported. Its like you enjoy it.


No, it's not weird that I would call attention to people hopelessly putting blind faith in a group that abandoned them a long time ago. Hoping, that maybe, just maybe, their righteous anger will eventually turn the right direction.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 16 2018 14:59 GMT
#198389
He's the one who ended DACA...

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 16 2018 15:00 GMT
#198390
On February 16 2018 23:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2018 23:40 Plansix wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:21 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/964477447600263169


Didn't even make it to the house eh?

We sure it would have passed if it did (and got a vote)?

Its weird that you mock people for hoping a bill passes and 1.8 million people don’t get deported. Its like you enjoy it.


No, it's not weird that I would call attention to people hopelessly putting blind faith in a group that abandoned them a long time ago. Hoping, that maybe, just maybe, their righteous anger will eventually turn the right direction.

There is a US service member who served two tours currently in detention because he is an illegal immigrant and he is starving himself to death because he wants to die in America. It is weird that you revel in it and take joy in saying “I told you so”. Its like you want people to dislike you.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
February 16 2018 15:07 GMT
#198391
Mitt Romney launches Utah Senate campaign with dig at Trump

Former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney has announced he is running for a US Senate seat in Utah, while taking a dig at President Donald Trump.

In a Facebook campaign video, he lamented that Washington was sending "a message of exclusion" to immigrants.

A vocal critic of Mr Trump, Mr Romney is seen as a shoo-in for outgoing Republican Senator Orrin Hatch's seat.

The ex-private equity manager has kept a low profile since losing his 2012 race to oust President Barack Obama.

Touting his management of the 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Olympics, Mr Romney said his adopted home state was a model for Washington DC.

"Utah welcomes legal immigrants from around the world," he said in a Facebook campaign video.

"Washington sends them a message of exclusion."

Since his failed White House campaign, Mr Romney has served as a chairman of his son's investment firm and on the board of directors of Marriott International.

... (There's more but this is the core)

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43088376




Not to anyone's surprise really.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23257 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-16 15:12:29
February 16 2018 15:08 GMT
#198392
On February 17 2018 00:00 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2018 23:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:40 Plansix wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:21 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/964477447600263169


Didn't even make it to the house eh?

We sure it would have passed if it did (and got a vote)?

Its weird that you mock people for hoping a bill passes and 1.8 million people don’t get deported. Its like you enjoy it.


No, it's not weird that I would call attention to people hopelessly putting blind faith in a group that abandoned them a long time ago. Hoping, that maybe, just maybe, their righteous anger will eventually turn the right direction.

There is a US service member who served two tours currently in detention because he is an illegal immigrant and he is starving himself to death because he wants to die in America. It is weird that you revel in it and take joy in saying “I told you so”. Its like you want people to dislike you.


No, I desperately want your goodwill to be pointed in a direction that will help the exploited not those doing the exploiting. They're using you and you're actually really close to seeing it. Maybe me being so confrontational contributes to your unwillingness to let go, the nature of the internet probably helps too, but please, don't let yourself keep getting wrapped up in their kabuki if you really want to help people like the service member you mention.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
February 16 2018 15:30 GMT
#198393
Get ready for the Trump tweet calling Romney a loser.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 16 2018 15:35 GMT
#198394
On February 17 2018 00:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2018 00:00 Plansix wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:40 Plansix wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:21 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/964477447600263169


Didn't even make it to the house eh?

We sure it would have passed if it did (and got a vote)?

Its weird that you mock people for hoping a bill passes and 1.8 million people don’t get deported. Its like you enjoy it.


No, it's not weird that I would call attention to people hopelessly putting blind faith in a group that abandoned them a long time ago. Hoping, that maybe, just maybe, their righteous anger will eventually turn the right direction.

There is a US service member who served two tours currently in detention because he is an illegal immigrant and he is starving himself to death because he wants to die in America. It is weird that you revel in it and take joy in saying “I told you so”. Its like you want people to dislike you.


No, I desperately want your goodwill to be pointed in a direction that will help the exploited not those doing the exploiting. They're using you and you're actually really close to seeing it. Maybe me being so confrontational contributes to your unwillingness to let go, the nature of the internet probably helps too, but please, don't let yourself keep getting wrapped up in their kabuki if you really want to help people like the service member you mention.

Come November that could happen. But this issue has to be solved before March 5, 2018. That TRO in place isn’t going to slow own ICE.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23257 Posts
February 16 2018 15:39 GMT
#198395
On February 17 2018 00:35 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2018 00:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 17 2018 00:00 Plansix wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:40 Plansix wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:21 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/964477447600263169


Didn't even make it to the house eh?

We sure it would have passed if it did (and got a vote)?

Its weird that you mock people for hoping a bill passes and 1.8 million people don’t get deported. Its like you enjoy it.


No, it's not weird that I would call attention to people hopelessly putting blind faith in a group that abandoned them a long time ago. Hoping, that maybe, just maybe, their righteous anger will eventually turn the right direction.

There is a US service member who served two tours currently in detention because he is an illegal immigrant and he is starving himself to death because he wants to die in America. It is weird that you revel in it and take joy in saying “I told you so”. Its like you want people to dislike you.


No, I desperately want your goodwill to be pointed in a direction that will help the exploited not those doing the exploiting. They're using you and you're actually really close to seeing it. Maybe me being so confrontational contributes to your unwillingness to let go, the nature of the internet probably helps too, but please, don't let yourself keep getting wrapped up in their kabuki if you really want to help people like the service member you mention.

Come November that could happen. But this issue has to be solved before March 5, 2018. That TRO in place isn’t going to slow own ICE.


Ask yourself "what will?"
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 16 2018 15:43 GMT
#198396
On February 17 2018 00:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2018 00:35 Plansix wrote:
On February 17 2018 00:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 17 2018 00:00 Plansix wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:40 Plansix wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:21 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/964477447600263169


Didn't even make it to the house eh?

We sure it would have passed if it did (and got a vote)?

Its weird that you mock people for hoping a bill passes and 1.8 million people don’t get deported. Its like you enjoy it.


No, it's not weird that I would call attention to people hopelessly putting blind faith in a group that abandoned them a long time ago. Hoping, that maybe, just maybe, their righteous anger will eventually turn the right direction.

There is a US service member who served two tours currently in detention because he is an illegal immigrant and he is starving himself to death because he wants to die in America. It is weird that you revel in it and take joy in saying “I told you so”. Its like you want people to dislike you.


No, I desperately want your goodwill to be pointed in a direction that will help the exploited not those doing the exploiting. They're using you and you're actually really close to seeing it. Maybe me being so confrontational contributes to your unwillingness to let go, the nature of the internet probably helps too, but please, don't let yourself keep getting wrapped up in their kabuki if you really want to help people like the service member you mention.

Come November that could happen. But this issue has to be solved before March 5, 2018. That TRO in place isn’t going to slow own ICE.


Ask yourself "what will?"

Nothing. They are out of power. If they shut down the government, the Trump administration will force all the government workers to work without pay and blame the democrats for shutting down the government to save illegal immigrants. The conservatives want these people deported and are willing to pay the price in November 2018 for doing it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23257 Posts
February 16 2018 15:51 GMT
#198397
On February 17 2018 00:43 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2018 00:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 17 2018 00:35 Plansix wrote:
On February 17 2018 00:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 17 2018 00:00 Plansix wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:40 Plansix wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 16 2018 23:21 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/964477447600263169


Didn't even make it to the house eh?

We sure it would have passed if it did (and got a vote)?

Its weird that you mock people for hoping a bill passes and 1.8 million people don’t get deported. Its like you enjoy it.


No, it's not weird that I would call attention to people hopelessly putting blind faith in a group that abandoned them a long time ago. Hoping, that maybe, just maybe, their righteous anger will eventually turn the right direction.

There is a US service member who served two tours currently in detention because he is an illegal immigrant and he is starving himself to death because he wants to die in America. It is weird that you revel in it and take joy in saying “I told you so”. Its like you want people to dislike you.


No, I desperately want your goodwill to be pointed in a direction that will help the exploited not those doing the exploiting. They're using you and you're actually really close to seeing it. Maybe me being so confrontational contributes to your unwillingness to let go, the nature of the internet probably helps too, but please, don't let yourself keep getting wrapped up in their kabuki if you really want to help people like the service member you mention.

Come November that could happen. But this issue has to be solved before March 5, 2018. That TRO in place isn’t going to slow own ICE.


Ask yourself "what will?"

Nothing. They are out of power. If they shut down the government, the Trump administration will force all the government workers to work without pay and blame the democrats for shutting down the government to save illegal immigrants. The conservatives want these people deported and are willing to pay the price in November 2018 for doing it.


There are lots of people slowing down ICE and preventing deportations and they aren't waiting until November or for congress's shame or hypocrisy overwhelm them.

How easily they can slip the mind of someone distracted with the play.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4781 Posts
February 16 2018 15:55 GMT
#198398
They could have agreed to a massive larger-than-DACA amnesty if they weren't so committed to keeping the spigot open. Instead that plan was "making America white again" (which was incorrect). T hs GOP wass so desperate for something many of them accepted 1.8 million path to citizenship instead of legal status for 700k.

The few "Dreamers" that might get deported is worth the PR for the Democrats.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18017 Posts
February 16 2018 15:56 GMT
#198399
On February 16 2018 23:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
He's the one who ended DACA...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/964512164865363968

Not only that, but if the Republicans were truly working hard, they could pass a DACA bill with no help from the democrats at all. You want to see bad publicity? A democrat fillibustering a bill that would actually help Dreamers.. that would end their career, lol. But the Republicans haven't even managed a bill that can pass a simple senate majority yet.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 16 2018 16:00 GMT
#198400
On February 17 2018 00:55 Introvert wrote:
They could have agreed to a massive larger-than-DACA amnesty if they weren't so committed to keeping the spigot open. Instead that plan was "making America white again" (which was incorrect). T hs GOP wass so desperate for something many of them accepted 1.8 million path to citizenship instead of legal status for 700k.

The few "Dreamers" that might get deported is worth the PR for the Democrats.

Trump killed the bill. His administration’s bill only got 39 votes. The master plan to cut down on legal immigration will never through congress because it is a terrible idea and no one by the limited number of immigration hardliners supports it. You can whine all you want about the democrats, but it was the WH that said it would veto the bill that had the best chance of passing.
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