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On January 23 2018 04:16 Introvert wrote:


I thought that at the very least the committee has to vote to release it. I can see why the Democrats would block the memo, but I think they are also blocking the whole thing.

I don't think Nunes can release it by himself.

Democrats caved to end the shutdown. Just ask them.

You don't need me to tell you that Democrats just caved when it comes to ending the government shutdown; even some of their leading senators are admitting it. Here's Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.), a potential 2020 Democratic presidential candidate:

Here's another critic, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.):


And here's a statement from OFA, the political offshoot of Barack Obama's presidential campaigns: “Let’s be clear: This stopgap measure is not a solution. It’s merely a band-aid for a self-inflicted wound that remains untreated.” Another liberal group, CREDO Action, offered this:


To be clear, most Senate Democrats wound up voting to reopen the government. They did so after a deal was struck in which Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) was assured that the Senate would vote on some kind of immigration deal by Feb. 8 — and if they didn't have a deal, there would be an up-or-down vote on DACA, the program protecting the children of illegal immigrants from deportation. Just 16 of the 49 members of the Senate Democratic caucus voted no, and it's a group that is full of potential 2020 contenders like Harris who have a clear interest in appealing to the base.

But that's also the point. Those members have made appealing to the Democratic base their raison d'etre, and they've quickly wagered that this thing isn't going to fly with that same base. The base was cheering Democrats for taking a stand on behalf of so-called dreamers and demanding that they be protected; instead, Schumer has merely been assured of a vote on something to-be-determined that may or may not succeed.

On January 23 2018 04:17 IyMoon wrote:


The committee is not under democrat control afaik. So if it really hurts the dems, the Rs would release it

On January 23 2018 04:16 Introvert wrote:


I thought that at the very least the committee has to vote to release it. I can see why the Democrats would block the memo, but I think they are also blocking the whole thing.

I don't think Nunes can release it by himself.

On January 23 2018 04:16 IyMoon wrote:


I think this is a great play for the long game. If the R can't keep their promises then the next shutdown in 3 weeks has a whole new reason behind it.

On January 23 2018 04:16 Introvert wrote:


I thought that at the very least the committee has to vote to release it. I can see why the Democrats would block the memo, but I think they are also blocking the whole thing.

I don't think Nunes can release it by himself.

On January 23 2018 04:17 IyMoon wrote:


The committee is not under democrat control afaik. So if it really hurts the dems, the Rs would release it

On January 23 2018 04:16 Introvert wrote:


I thought that at the very least the committee has to vote to release it. I can see why the Democrats would block the memo, but I think they are also blocking the whole thing.

I don't think Nunes can release it by himself.

On January 23 2018 04:24 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:


The democrats want him to release the memo. Nunes is crying about releasing a memo that he has the power to release.

That article is about a partial release so that Republicans can release bits and pieces that discredit the investigation and shield transition members like Nunes who knew about Russian interference during the election.

On January 23 2018 04:28 Danglars wrote:

Democrats have repeatedly said its false and argued against its release. See: Schiff. Most recently on the record justifying the stance by saying Americans wouldn’t understand it. This guy rofl.

On January 23 2018 04:35 Plansix wrote:
If it’s classified, why is Nunes yelling about it to the press? That isn’t how stuff being classified is supposed to work.

On Monday afternoon, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer addressed a scrum of reporters in the Capitol to announce that Democrats would provide the votes to keep the government open until February 8, given Mitch McConnell’s agreement to address “Dreamers” on the Senate floor next month.

The White House was quick to boast that Democrats had “cave[d].” “Win for White House; Loss for Schumer,” one official who had been involved in the talks texted me. “He didn’t really get much.”

Of course, the reality is that President Donald Trump didn’t have much to do with the deal—his last meeting with Schumer to avoid a shutdown was famously unproductive. Yet the official, speaking on condition of anonymity so as to describe confidential conversations, assured me that Trump’s legislative affairs team has been on the Hill in the last several days “working this” and giving “regular updates” to the president, who, the source added, “has been very engaged.” The official added that a group of senators supportive of Trump’s immigration vision were meeting at the White House on Monday afternoon.

Democrats are already struggling with how to spin this development, especially when, just three days ago, they held a hard line against funding the government, energizing their base with the promise to protect DACA recipients. But one Senate Democratic source, who asked not to be named so as to discuss private conversations with senators, told me that something like reality has shone through in the interim. The Democratic caucus became increasingly uncomfortable with the “mixed poll numbers” on which side would take the blame should the shutdown continue. And with Democrats’ edge over Republicans in the upcoming midterm elections softening, continuing the shutdown didn’t seem worth the gamble. I asked the source how Democrats would try to frame the day, and the source, who’s been on the Hill for over a decade, was at a loss: “If you had told me yesterday this is where we’d be, I would not have believed it. Yet here we are.”

House Republicans are “confused” as to what Democrats expect to happen on DACA, one senior Republican staffer told me. The staffer, who requested anonymity due to the confidential nature of the discussions, said House Republicans had “no clue” what legislation to address DACA would even look like in this moment—a sign of the flimsiness of the deal to which Schumer assented. “Sooner or later we’ll have to vote on something here [regarding DACA], but what that is, I don’t know,” the source said. “I don’t know the substance. I don’t know the process.”

The three-week stopgap bill to fund the government will sail through the House, the staffer said, “as fast as they can get the papers turned around.” The fate of a bipartisan compromise on DACA, however—not to mention one that both chambers can agree on—is far less promising.

On January 23 2018 04:46 IyMoon wrote:


People always say that 'X' is on their way out. I would be surprised if this is true

On January 23 2018 04:49 Mohdoo wrote:

Yeah, how long ago did we hear tillerson was moments from quitting?

On January 23 2018 04:49 Introvert wrote:
I posted the whole thing because it's so short, sorry web traffic!



https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/gop-shutdown/551159/

Edit: and look at this politico headline lol: Democrats get rolled in shutdown standoff

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/22/government-shutdown-deal-democrats-lose-355997