EPTThis is just like the bipartisan immigration reform deal in 2013. Passes the senate but who cares because the house won’t do squat
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
This is just like the bipartisan immigration reform deal in 2013. Passes the senate but who cares because the house won’t do squat | ||
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LegalLord
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
On January 23 2018 05:04 KOFgokuon wrote: Without any agreement that the house will take up DACa this deal is toothless This is just like the bipartisan immigration reform deal in 2013. Passes the senate but who cares because the house won’t do squat The difference here is that the shutdown can happen again. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 23 2018 05:13 KOFgokuon wrote: Dems already showed that they will blink first. And now the messaging is way worse. They caved for nothing They got CHIP funded, assurances that DACA will be voted on and only gave of three weeks of funding. I wish every issue I cared about in congress could be handled every 3 weeks. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
On January 23 2018 05:13 KOFgokuon wrote: Dems already showed that they will blink first. And now the messaging is way worse. They caved for nothing I disagree, the context was far more muddled going into the weekend and should the shutdown happen again, the link with Republican promises is far more clear. | ||
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ticklishmusic
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 23 2018 05:56 IyMoon wrote: I think people are really underestimating how this went for dems. But it really all comes down to what the DACA deal looks like. I have already had to remind a couple left leaning fiends that the goal is to pass DACA, not beat the Republicans. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
On January 23 2018 05:56 IyMoon wrote: I think people are really underestimating how this went for dems. But it really all comes down to what the DACA deal looks like. Pretty much every news outlet decrying the Dems moves today are the same that acted as though the original shutdown move was a clear and obvious win for Dems. I think this view will change as we get closer to the possibility of another shutdown predicated on terms far more obvious than they were last week's end. | ||
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Plansix
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On January 23 2018 04:53 IyMoon wrote: The better question is how many TIMES have we heard he was quitting. There was one episode with Tillerson, and one with Sessions. It's quite possible they were close to being fired. It's a certainty that Sessions was close, considering Trump's public comments on Sessions at the time. Trump also publicly threw some shade at Tillerson with the IQ comment (and Tillerson did not deny calling Trump a moron). I don't think the press makes these sources and quotes up. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 23 2018 06:03 farvacola wrote: Pretty much every news outlet decrying the Dems moves today are the same that acted as though the original shutdown move was a clear and obvious win for Dems. I think this view will change as we get closer to the possibility of another shutdown predicated on terms far more obvious than they were last week's end. You could argue this is going amazingly for Dems because there will not be a single Democrat against the shut down in 3 weeks. People keep pretending this is the end or some bullshit. Lots of moderate Dems didn't like the idea of a shutdown. This allows for those people to be rallied in favor of a shutdown once turtle breaks his word. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
17 days until February 8, 2018. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 23 2018 06:55 Plansix wrote: https://twitter.com/HorsleyScott/status/955556441791791105 17 days until February 8, 2018. So government 100% getting shut down "for real" next time. Graham not even being invited certainly shows the way they intend to do things. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 23 2018 07:20 Mohdoo wrote: So government 100% getting shut down "for real" next time. Graham not even being invited certainly shows the way they intend to do things. We will have to see. But I can’t see the immigration deal working if they are leading it. And the bipartisan group that Trump meet with last time seems to have been frozen out. Democrats aren’t going to work with someone like Cotton. If McConnell can’t get that bipartisan group back in charge of the deal, this thing will be dead. Yeah, ok. This plan is pretty clear, to pressure democrats from red states. Not really convinced this is going to get them to 60 on February 8, 2018. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On January 23 2018 07:28 Plansix wrote: We will have to see. But I can’t see the immigration deal working if they are leading it. And the bipartisan group that Trump meet with last time seems to have been frozen out. Democrats aren’t going to work with someone like Cotton. If McConnell can’t get that bipartisan group back in charge of the deal, this thing will be dead. https://twitter.com/HorsleyScott/status/955564795641712641 Yeah, ok. This plan is pretty clear, to pressure democrats from red states. Not really convinced this is going to get them to 60 on February 8, 2018. I don't get going after Jones. he has to know that he can't win in 2020 so why fuck over the dems | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22459 Posts
"The Dems put forward unreasonable demands, we can't accept them. Their fault for not compromising." My gut tells me we will be in the exact same position in 3 weeks because McConnel and Ryan are not in control. An acceptable deal for the Dems won't get accepted by the Tea Party. Can the Dems + moderate Republicans avoid a filibuster without the tea party? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Jones otoh, it's a very steep uphill battle. However, I do think he has a shot at retaining his seat, though even if he does really, really well as a senator and gets a solid approval rating it will largely depend on who's on top of the 2020 ticket for Republicans. If McConnell is true to his word and lets DACA go up for a vote in the senate, it gets through. I think Ryan, who is reportedly stepping down after midterms, will let it go up for a vote too and tell the hardliners to screw off. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 23 2018 07:51 Gorsameth wrote: What is to stop the same optics next time as now? "The Dems put forward unreasonable demands, we can't accept them. Their fault for not compromising." My gut tells me we will be in the exact same position in 3 weeks because McConnel and Ryan are not in control. An acceptable deal for the Dems won't get accepted by the Tea Party. Can the Dems + moderate Republicans avoid a filibuster without the tea party? In the senate, yes. But then it needs to get through the house. | ||
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