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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 23 2018 03:25 ticklishmusic wrote: And Nunes has his memo detailing wrongdoing at the FBI which he refuses to release. "I have here in my hand a list of 205 . . . a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department. . . ." | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 23 2018 03:29 Mohdoo wrote: In many ways, it doesn't matter if it was some kinda official guarantee. If democrats make such a clear gesture towards reaching an agreement, and things don't go well in 3 weeks, they can pretty much do whatever they want without being the bad guys. This is more of an optics thing, the fight happens again in 3 weeks. This just gives democrats more room to be obnoxious later. I took her language to mean private commitment. As in, she doubts McConnell made any commitment to Schumer to later go back on. Nothing suggests official. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15687 Posts
On January 23 2018 03:31 Danglars wrote: I took her language to mean private commitment. As in, she doubts McConnell made any commitment to Schumer to later go back on. Nothing suggests official. You're saying you think Schumer made up a conversation even thought it would be extremely easy for turtle to say he was lying? Is turtle saying it is a lie? | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On January 23 2018 03:31 Danglars wrote: I took her language to mean private commitment. As in, she doubts McConnell made any commitment to Schumer to later go back on. Nothing suggests official. The comment to me seems more like a sarcastic/combative remark. Like she trusts McConnel so little that what he said doesn't register as a commitment, rather than McConnel didn't make it. But it's hard to say without hearing it and the context. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15687 Posts
On January 23 2018 03:32 Logo wrote: The comment to me seems more like a sarcastic/combative remark. Like she trusts McConnel so little that what he said doesn't register as a commitment, rather than McConnel didn't make it. But it's hard to say without hearing it and the context. "That's not an agreement. That's just hollow words and empty promises" sorta thing is how I took it. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 23 2018 03:28 Danglars wrote: Mueller’s solid in there. Any firing and somebody else would resume. This is about FBI rep and accusations of politicization without the DOJ. You don’t tell the FBI that six months of texts got disappeared, but they just told that to Congress. This will resonate. The DOJ still oversees the FBI and this investigation. Losing those texts is not great, but I'm also confused why they couldn't get them again. Its not like there is only one copy in the world of those text exchanges. But beyond that, this one agent does not make the FBI suddenly more political. Having to investigate sitting elected officials made the FBI political because that is what always happens. Happened with Bill Clinton. Happened with Nixon. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Folks, 2018 is super weird. An NPR reporter just retweeted this and this guy works for the Federalist. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 23 2018 03:32 Mohdoo wrote: You're saying you think Schumer made up a conversation even thought it would be extremely easy for turtle to say he was lying? Is turtle saying it is a lie? Right after ending the shutdown, you don’t want a prominent Senator expressing doubts that any deal was struck. If you’re the minority leader, this is a strike at your members confidence in you. Maybe you’re saying Harris is off her rocker? Should someone tell her how stupid she is to avoid embarrassment? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 23 2018 03:42 Plansix wrote: https://twitter.com/bdomenech/status/955510095043055616 Folks, 2018 is super weird. An NPR reporter just retweeted this and this guy works for the Federalist. Well, the shutdown ended in three days and nothings on the record for what concessions Schumer got for the DACA bill (he has absolutely refused changes to chain migration and lottery). It’s very natural for some reporters to conclude Schumer took a licking now (but lives to fight another day with this short CR) | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15687 Posts
On January 23 2018 03:44 Danglars wrote: Right after ending the shutdown, you don’t want a prominent Senator expressing doubts that any deal was struck. If you’re the minority leader, this is a strike at your members confidence. Maybe you’re saying Harris is off her rocker? Should someone tell her how stupid she is to avoid embarrassment? No, I think it is just posturing. Having a situation where Schumer barely has a grasp on his rowdy liberals is exactly the sort of "they're all crazy!" stuff somewhat-reasonable republicans have been doing as they negotiate various things. Having a restless, principled component is a good thing for democrats when it comes to negotiating in 3 weeks. They are going to be significantly less reasonable in 3 weeks and quotes like what you are describing will help. Think of it like a tea party lite. That same kinda "yeehaw, enough al-uh-ready" | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On January 23 2018 03:42 Plansix wrote: https://twitter.com/bdomenech/status/955510095043055616 Folks, 2018 is super weird. An NPR reporter just retweeted this and this guy works for the Federalist. Wait who are the dragon eggs in this scenario | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15687 Posts
On January 23 2018 03:50 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Wait who are the dragon eggs in this scenario Nuance of governance? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 23 2018 03:46 Danglars wrote: Well, the shutdown ended in three days and nothings on the record for what concessions Schumer got for the DACA bill (he has absolutely refused changes to chain migration and lottery). It’s very natural for some reporters to conclude Schumer took a licking now (but lives to fight another day with this short CR) You are a deeply unfun person who totally missed the best part of that quote and the reason why I put it in the thread.  | ||
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brian
United States9619 Posts
On January 23 2018 03:44 Danglars wrote: Right after ending the shutdown, you don’t want a prominent Senator expressing doubts that any deal was struck. If you’re the minority leader, this is a strike at your members confidence in you. Maybe you’re saying Harris is off her rocker? Should someone tell her how stupid she is to avoid embarrassment? it seems to me like she just has no confidence in McConnell’s integrity, just as none of us do. though i agree it’s bad optics on a technical level, i don’t think there’s anything particularly scandalous about expressing your lack of confidence in a known shit heel. granted none of us are senators, we’ve all come to that same conclusion. i’m leaving room to be pleasantly surprised at him keeping his word, but have a healthy skepticism. i too would say no deal was made until it’s voted on, because the fact is the senate has been, at best, inconsistent. i would go a little further and say no side has any shutdown victory. instead Schumer has just given everyone a clean slate(or taken it depending on your perspective) and set up the GOP to either pass DACA legislation(win/win because everyone wants it right?) or take an even bigger loss in 3 weeks. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On January 23 2018 03:25 ticklishmusic wrote: And Nunes has his memo detailing wrongdoing at the FBI which he refuses to release. He won't even release it the director of the FBI, apparently. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On January 23 2018 04:14 TheTenthDoc wrote: He won't even release it the director of the FBI, apparently. Because its nothing. This is just something so the crazies can get all riled up | ||
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Introvert
United States4748 Posts
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On January 23 2018 04:15 Introvert wrote: They support the same bill but a week shorter and with a pinky promise from McConnell. It's certainly not the activists on the dem side were demanding (See Harris, Kamala). Future circumstances can change but this looks like treading water at best for Democrats. I think this is a great play for the long game. If the R can't keep their promises then the next shutdown in 3 weeks has a whole new reason behind it. | ||
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Introvert
United States4748 Posts
On January 23 2018 04:15 IyMoon wrote: Because its nothing. This is just something so the crazies can get all riled up I thought that at the very least the committee has to vote to release it. I can see why the Democrats would block the memo, but I think they are also blocking the whole thing. I don't think Nunes can release it by himself. | ||
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